Ahahahaha!
Zach: 1 / Tigerlily: 0
It's all cool. Do what Jesus would do, Sarus.
Yes ma'am. :wub:
Ahahahaha!
Zach: 1 / Tigerlily: 0
It's all cool. Do what Jesus would do, Sarus.
Yes ma'am. :wub:
Really looking into the Bible and the terminology, and things like that takes away a lot of the supposed "homosexuality is wrong" verses, though.
Maybe the Bible does not promote homophobia itself, really. Which is not something I was arguing. I was arguing that people take those verses (and oftentimes blatant mistranslations of them) and act like they are an excuse to be against homosexuality and deny all of the rights to them.
I know that homophobia is natural, as it's in human nature to hate on what is different. And to me that's evidence enough for the reason that people are ignoring what many verses say, but leaving the homosexuality ones as ones to follow.
There's just too much picking and choosing going on, and it's very suspicious to me. It's just very suspicious to me how homosexuals are told they're going to hell but that other sins are completely ignored.
What also bothers me is how a country like America, that was founded so clearly on the Separation of Church and State, is letting these verses control who has rights and who does not.
This. It shouldn't be an issue because of that and that alone. As much as I would like a country to be run on TRUE christian foundations, this is not going to happen as it's been twisted around too much, so I'd rather they just drop the religious connotations as it's already ruined the faith in the eyes of many, it's time to back off and do some damage control.
I honestly think it will take the religious majority losing this battle, and the many others that follow, to stop and figure out why people are resisting so much and facilitate some change, though that's extremely wishful thinking on my part.
I don't want to see this country turn totally liberal. At all. But it needs it's dose of liberalism as it needs it's conservativeism. I hope one day the extremes of both sides will wise up and come together for the physical and emotional good of all citizens, but it will probably take some epicly huge screw ups and downfalls for this to happen though. Shall be a bumpy ride.
As for the first part of your post:
There isn't picking and choosing in the bible. All sins are bad in the eyes of God. Just because society "downplays" certain sins (like drunkness and sex outside of marriage), doesn't make them any less sinful.
At the end of times, there will be a judgement day where every single human being is held accountable for their sins and their sins only. There will be no excuses. You pass or fail, and the only one giving that judgement is Christ. Not any society in the past or present, Christ.
Respecting homosexuals doesn't take away from it being wrong. You respect them as human beings, as Christ commands it.
And like i said before, there is only ONE judge we have to answer to, and whatever decision YOU make is the decision you have to live with. It is not the fault of anyone else's for what YOU do with your life and how it turns out in the end. You are responsible for every conscious decision you make.
God gave every human being their own free will so, to a degree, we all control our own destinies. We decided whether we go to heaven or hell, be good or evil, etc. This is where the respect part comes in, no matter what anyone else does, whether you agree with it or not, it is THEIR LIFE to do with it as they wish. And you have to respect that. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try to talk with them, or KINDLY show them the err of their ways as it's instructed to do in the bible. But if they choose to walk a different path, it's their decision and they will have to live with whatever consequences that come out of their decision. You don't have to be a christian or religious person to agree or understand the concept of dealing with the outcomes of your actions.
And please don't give me stupid answers like "So that means you wouldn't stop a rapist or pedophile?", because of course I would. Those are crimes that are PHYSICALLY HURTING other people. Homosexuality is not. Therefore quit trying to argue for the sake of argument. Homosexuality has nothing to do with rapists and pedophiles who feel like they should be able to marry children because they feel they have some of connection with them, so that argument is stupid.
There isn't picking and choosing in the bible. All sins are bad in the eyes of God. Just because society "downplays" certain sins (like drunkness and sex outside of marriage), doesn't make them any less sinful.
At the end of times, there will be a judgment day where every single human being is held accountable for their sins and their sins only. There will be no excuses. You pass or fail, and the only one giving that judgment is Christ. Not any society in the past or present, Christ.
Respecting homosexuals doesn't take away from it being wrong. You respect them as human beings, as Christ commands it.
See, this is the part I don't like.
"I respect you, and don't hate you, but you're going to Hell for being the way you were born."
Its really condescending and hurtful, and I don't agree with it at all.
The Bible not only condones slavery, but gives proper rules for the treatment of slaves, including "It's not a sin to beat your slaves within an inch of their life, as long as they don't die for a day or two after the beating".
Yeah, let's just say I don't agree with the book that includes such choice rules as that.
@Zach:
SEE: Parenthesized area.
LOL You didn't appear like scumbag at all, in the contrary! But I'm glad you told me the terrible truth…I think I'll just marry me a stone.
Respecting homosexuals doesn't take away from it being wrong. You respect them as human beings, as Christ commands it.
I'm in no way an expert on this topic but you seem like you have more knowledge when it comes to the bible. This part got my attention and I'm not sure about this myself but isn't it written out in the bible that should a man be caught to have any sexual relations to another man, that both should be punished with death? This was the trigger for me to always take the ancient lectures with a grain of salt and rather use your own brain before anything else. But you make me unsure if this part actually exists. Does the bible mention this part or does it not? I'd like to know it for the future.
LOL You didn't appear like scumbag at all, in the contrary! But I'm glad you told me the terrible truth…I think I'll just marry me a stone.
I'm a stone… :ninja:
Okay, I don't really give two shits about this issue, but I do give a shit about the Separation of Church and State because in recent decades those two have blurred far too much for my taste.
As a religious minority it sometimes scares me to live in the United States. When I hear you or religious zealots take the Christian Bible and say: "You! Believe in the lord Jesus Christ or you will burn in hell for eternity," I tend to feel a bit uncomfortable. When I hear people wish for the country to be run like that, I fear for my life and my family's life. I fear religious zealots from all religions, including my own, don't get me wrong…but religion can produce some very scary people in charge.
Under the previous administration there was an onslaught of the kind of people who propagated the idea of merging Church and State: faith-based initiatives. Though they often are done out of kind intentions, this country was founded on the idea that we can all live freely and equally and not worry about the Government endorsing any sort of religion. When the Government SUBSIDIZES religion, even when it's for good, it's still damaging for those who are not in that religion because it says: "hey you, we don't support your religion but we're going to fund THIS religion." That's not good. That's not America.
When it comes to the point you're making, Arei, it comes to the same point. You, as a Christian can do whatever the fuck you want. I, as an American, am going to do what is lawful and just according to the Constitution, not what is lawful and just according to your bible. It's not up to what some guy said two thousand or so years ago as to how I live my life, or how those two guys live theirs, it's up to the people. If the people decide Adam and Steve should get married, good for them, if not, then that's what we democratically decided and so that should be how we function.
So let me make this brief(er):
It is up to us to make the law.
Religion has NO place in politics.
It is up to YOU as to whether or not you accept homosexuality.
As a country we cannot use religion as the basis for our decision. We can use it as support for our decision, but we are a country of laws, a country of secularity, and a country of freedom. In order to keep those intact we cannot involve religion or certain beliefs that infringe on others. This isn't a liberal argument. This isn't a conservative argument. This is what America is. Get over it.
I was going to post something long, but then I remembered I hate reading long posts. Basically this:
Maybe the Bible does not promote homophobia itself, really. Which is not something I was arguing. I was arguing that people take those verses (and oftentimes blatant mistranslations of them) and act like they are an excuse to be against homosexuality and deny all of the rights to them.
I know that homophobia is natural, as it's in human nature to hate on what is different. And to me that's evidence enough for the reason that people are ignoring what many verses say, but leaving the homosexuality ones as ones to follow.
There's just too much picking and choosing going on, and it's very suspicious to me. It's just very suspicious to me how homosexuals are told they're going to hell but that other sins are completely ignored.
That's really it, picking and choosing based on what the majority of people are comfortable with and what most are not.
You can find tons more things considered sin that I know the average Christian does regularly without guilt, some far more severely spoken against. If you confront those people they would probably assure you that they're safe and that the whole reason for Christ's sacrifice was for people like them to be saved, and in general others are understanding and tolerant of such people because it's sin they're comfortable with. But our culture finds homosexuality very uncomfortable, so they will instead treat gay people with hate and fear.
So… "Homosexuals aren't evil, but they're going to Hell anyway"?
I hate when Religious people tell me that... A lot of them try to act like they're not discriminating against me, they're just trying to "Save" me from "Burning in Hell".
It's still hurtful and wrong.
Technically all human beings are wicked and sinful. Every single person is guilty of sinning and sinning often. That's why Christ died on the cross, to forgive the sinful and wicked nature of men so they had a chance to go to heaven. Without that sacrifice, we'd all be burning.
There are people with good intentions that will not make it into heaven.
Christianity is more then believing in God/that Christ is your savior. Alot more. You can't halfass it. I'm not saying I'm a great christian, as there are many bad habits (like cursing XP) and personal issues to work through to be a better christian and more productive person. I'm not saying I'm all great or anything, I'm just stating my beliefs.
If you wanted to get technical, there are many physical and natural reasons why homosexuality would be considered "not right". I assume it's sinful because it is going again those physical and natural laws.
I do have my reserves though. Love is outside the scope of human intellect. I find it reasonable to say that people attracted to those of the same gender are that way because of how they feel emotionally, NOT that they made a physical choice to so.
But why does that make it bad? I plan on doing more research into this. I understand it could be grouped in with lust but, there could be plenty of homosexual couples practicing abstinence until marriage. That would throw out homosexuality being another form of lust. I am willing to study and look into this further.
Because right now the only solid evidence you can give is that there are 2 genders, male and female, each with an important role in the reproduction process. Before pleasure and a sign of emotional/physical intimacy, sex is a means for reproduction. It was designed as a means to further populate the human race, therefore the "natural" thing to do was to be heterosexual and multiply. This is if you take emotion out of the equation and go by instincts alone. That homosexuality goes against this fundamental law of nature.
I started to deviate from the main topic but I am so fascinated by this now XD
Ok TL;DR if you didn't read my text walls earlierand you BETTER READ THIS:
Christianity, as most of us see it now, has been warped and skewed from how it really is supposed to be. There is nothing wrong with the faith, it's purely man-tainted actions. Good Christian people SHOULDN'T and WOULDN'T be going around telling people they're going to hell. Instead they would be, in the most kind way possible, trying to expose them to the truth and support them, trying to help stimulate improvement and change in their life to depart from sin and try to live the best life they could live, NOT be grinding in that they're going to hell if they don't do this or that.
That is WRONG. Not everyone who claims to be a christian is really a scriptural christian. As it says in the bible, not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will be saved. Just because they say they are doing it in the name of God doesn't mean God condones it, or ultimately will leave it unpunished.
Oh LORD, will someone please stop the religious talk!?
And HE said onto Zach: No, for the people of the Park of Arlong remain intrenched in their respective arguments and cannot write posts shorter than TEN paragraphs for they are stubborn and rock-headed.
Once it starts, it's like a boulder rolling down a mountain, picking up momentum, all forum posters know this!
@Zach:
Oh LORD, will someone please stop the religious talk!?
Yeah man, for the love of God… /sarcasm
Stop it. :getlost:
Chrissie: Actually Julia has no problem getting married.. She's dating a different millionaire heir every week. Her last boyfriend that there was a whole scandal on owned like 6 cruise-ships..
Anyway, my point is, I think my view is jaded, because I've grown up around, how shall I say it.. looser girls, many of whom have done amateur videos and have thought nothing of it. If they could make money off of them, so much the better for them.
I like to think of Angelina Jolie, who has done a soft core scene in an "artistic film," posed naked various times, and basically lived a very vicarious life, until she adopted 15 kids and everyone now considers her mother Theresa.
Amen to that, Zach.
Even though I have to say for a religious discussion, things are going very well mannered in here (as of yet).
I'm a stone… :ninja:
I think there's an r missing at the end, am I right?
@Zach:
Oh LORD, will someone please stop the religious talk!?
Aww and i was just about to ask if anybody knew which part of the bible, if any Reverend Lovejoy was refering to in that ep where he said "Have you ever really read this thing? Technically, we're not allowed to go to the bathroom.".
But now i feel kinda bad about it:ninja:
Religions should be deeply personal. Jesus Christ was wrong when he told people to spread his words. Other than that I approve of most of his teachings. His REAL teachings, not stuff people take out of context.
I think the religion talk should continue, because if you remove religion from the issue there's almost nothing left to talk about. The only reason gay marriage was ever contested was because of the religious implications of the term "marriage".
Religions should be deeply personal. Jesus Christ was wrong when he told people to spread his words. Other than that I approve of most of his teachings.
Hey guys, I have some great teaching, but DON'T TELL ANYONE
/headdesk
I don't know if Reverand Lovejoy was referring to something specific or not, there's probably some odd Mosaic law about going to the bathroom, but I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
Neither. Nothing wrong with Homosexuality and there is nothing wrong with being a porn star, porn stars provide pleasure for us one way or another. ;D
I'm in no way an expert on this topic but you seem like you have more knowledge when it comes to the bible. This part got my attention and I'm not sure about this myself but isn't it written out in the bible that should a man be caught to have any sexual relations to another man, that both should be punished with death? This was the trigger for me to always take the ancient lectures with a grain of salt and rather use your own brain before anything else. But you make me unsure if this part actually exists. Does the bible mention this part or does it not? I'd like to know it for the future.
I don't recall reading that, but it sounds like something that would be in the Old Testament, i will try to find this.
What you have to REALLY understand about the bible is there is a reason it's seperated into 2 testaments. Technically, those who claim to follow Christ are "new testament christians". Christ's law is the "new law" that we have been under since he rose from the grave and went back to heaven. We are under his commandments. The Old Testament is the "old law", the religious rules and law that were in place until the time of Christ. That is why there is a seperation. And Christ taught by example, with love and kindness, not fear. Before his time, there was plenty of fear driven preaching, and yes it does continue to this day, but that doesn't make it right, as we are supposed to be Christ-like.
There are still some people who follow the old law (Like Orthodox Jews very hardcore especially, but most Jews in general follow the old law since they don't believe Christ was really the messiah, but a general prophet).
That funny "Why Can't I Own A Canadian?" article is a good example of some of the craziness of the old law. Yeah it was really outrageous, but we are under no commandment to follow it no longer, as we have the teachings of Christ.
http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html
Leviticus 18:22 mentions you shouldn't have sex with another man as you have with a woman for it's a sin, but thats the only thing I'm finding right now. But generally, if someone was guilty (or even just assumed guilty) of committing a sin, they were stoned. It applied to everything, not just homosexuality. That specific chapter is mostly a long list of things you shouldn't do, most revolving around sexual things, which most of these things did carry over into the new testament.
I think the religion talk should continue, because if you remove religion from the issue there's almost nothing left to talk about. The only reason gay marriage was ever contested was because of the religious implications of the term "marriage".
Ugh… I guess... you have a point. :getlost:
I think there's an r missing at the end, am I right?
No ma'am. I don't touch the "Devil's Grass".
But, after college I will. I promised my sister I would.
Too bad, I'll be going to hell. :sad:
Neither. Nothing wrong with Homosexuality and there is nothing wrong with being a porn star, porn stars provide pleasure for us one way or another. ;D
I hope your daughter becomes a DVDA, maybe a TVTA pornstar… :getlost:
Because you damn sure wouldn't say that then…
Hey guys, I have some great teaching, but DON'T TELL ANYONE
/headdesk
No, he should have told it to others, but not encouraged others to spread the same message because by the time they tell it it will not be the same message.
This is why wide-spread religions go so wrong. Most followers have no idea what they are actually following. I remember reading about a poll on what percentage of Christians actually read the Bible. The results were stunning.
And who knows if the Bible is what Jesus was teaching. It's written by his disciples. Again, hearsay. Not to mention all the "lost in translation" moments.
I don't recall reading that, but it sounds like something that would be in the Old Testament, i will try to find this.
Leviticus 18:22 mentions you shouldn't have sex with another man as you have with a woman for it's a sin, but thats the only thing I'm finding right now. But generally, if someone was guilty (or even just assumed guilty) of committing a sin, they were stoned. It applied to everything, not just homosexuality. That specific chapter is mostly a long list of things you shouldn't do, most revolving around sexual things, which most of these things did carry over into the new testament.
I thought you guys didn't believe in the Old Testament since you kinda don't celebrate Passover anymore, and you forget all the teachings from the Torah and the Talmud, and you aren't monotheistic anymore. Guess you guys are able to just pick and choose what you like from the Old Testament. Oh, you Christians and your pedestals!
A homosexual son or daughter doing porn would make the world implode? :)
How would you all respond to such a revelation?
I hope your daughter becomes a DVDA, maybe a TVTA pornstar… :getlost:Because you damn sure wouldn't say that then…
Triple nothing, it's all about quadruple anal sex now days.
Seriously tho, the freakier porn she makes the lesser is the chance that the average guy is gonna see her.
Just sayin:ninja:
Triple nothing, it's all about quadruple anal sex now days.
Seriously tho, the freakier porn she makes the lesser is the chance that the average guy is gonna see her.
Just sayin:ninja:
Porn stars make a lot more from the weirder stuff…like A LOT more from what I hear. Actually, I think this was on NPR, they were talking about how a guy would make 40,000 a year, a woman would make 80,000 a year, and you can add a lot more on top of that 80,000 per crazy-ass thing she does. So quadruple, yes, that'd be a pay day.
@Zach:
Oh LORD, will someone please stop the religious talk!?
And HE said onto Zach: No, for the people of the Park of Arlong remain intrenched in their respective arguments and cannot write posts shorter than TEN paragraphs for they are stubborn and rock-headed.
:P
Honestly I think this discussion is going quite well, but I will very gladly stop if it seemed like it was going to hit a wall.
It's statements like that which start pissing matches.
This is in no way an attempt to convert anyone or try to make them see that this is the religion for them to follow, I just want to the get the true and honest facts out there, not ones tainted by popular belief and perception.
The reason I have text walls is because I've never actually gotten that far in a discussion before. So no, I have not said this a million times to figure out a way to get a condensed version XDDDDDDDDDDD
I'm enjoying this civil conversation, normally I just say I'm a christian or even like the things I said when I first brought this up, about trying to respect both sides and I am flamed down instantly, and I'm quite sick of it. I'm really looking to understanding both sides of the matter, that is why I cannot condone hateful treatment no matter where it's coming from or why. It's all wrong.
But I've also done a lot of my own study that is not influenced by anyone or anything and I feel it has relevance to the subject at hand.
I recommend to watch 9 to 5 days in porn.
Hey, if quoting straight-from-the-Bible is a "statement…that...start pissing matches" then I apologize.
Chrissie: Actually Julia has no problem getting married.. She's dating a different millionaire heir every week. Her last boyfriend that there was a whole scandal on owned like 6 cruise-ships..
Anyway, my point is, I think my view is jaded, because I've grown up around, how shall I say it.. looser girls, many of whom have done amateur videos and have thought nothing of it. If they could make money off of them, so much the better for them.
I like to think of Angelina Jolie, who has done a soft core scene in an "artistic film," posed naked various times, and basically lived a very vicarious life, until she adopted 15 kids and everyone now considers her mother Theresa.
Julia is a 'star' (and I am saying that with a raised eyebrow) though. It's one thing being a famous, rich woman doing whatever shit you like because you don't care about the scandals you are gonna make but you only care about the millions you are gonna get, and it's a completely other thing when you don't plan to do that kind of job permanently and want to get back in the society and live a normal everyday life after a while. And if you live in a closed society, things aren't gonna go well for you, since not many men will want to be with you not when you have that kind of a label stuck on your back and you will probably have difficulty finding a respected job not to mention the ridicule.
Don't even mention my daughter moving away in another town or country to get out of that stuff. Wherever I will be, be it in Cyprus or another country, my babies will live near me. :ninja: Forever. :ninja: And ever. :ninja:
…And ever.:ninja:
Nice man, always looking for that opening!
As a heterosexual, I'm suppose to… right?
Triple nothing, it's all about quadruple anal sex now days.
:shocked:
Seriously tho, the freakier porn she makes the lesser is the chance that the average guy is gonna see her.
Just sayin:ninja:
You sure? We men have "off-the-fantasies" dude.
What is sure is that religion has been used as a mean to conquer other people.
A lot of war have been made for religion as a mean to dominance.
In any case, none of us will ever know if God really exists.
I met people who saw religion as the finality because they really believed in. They were using the postive principles in their lives. This is supposed to be what religion is all about.
@Zach:
I thought you guys didn't believe in the Old Testament since you kinda don't celebrate Passover anymore, and you forget all the teachings from the Torah and the Talmud, and you aren't monotheistic anymore. Guess you guys are able to just pick and choose what you like from the Old Testament. Oh, you Christians and your pedestals!
If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would realize sin has existed since the dawn of time when Satan tempted Eve. It's been pretty constant throughout the history of the world, the only thing that has changed are societies of the world and how they viewed them, but that never did change the fact a sin is a sin. The way people perceive things really has no bearing on how bad a sin is, as God is the ultimate judge.
And don't you mean polytheistic? Monotheistic is the belief of one God, which has always been the case even in Pre-Christ Christianity. I mean, it's its #1 in the 10 commandments. There were cases of polytheism in the bible, especially the old testament but they were completely separate religions, that God didn't approve of at all.
So I don't understand at ALL how your comment is a reasonable retort to what I just posted. Because nothing I said had nothing to do with people picking and choosing what they follow and what they don't. That is also a sin itself. Christians are under the new testament. They don't reserve the right to pick or choose what to follow or what not to follow. See Revelations 22:18.
@Zach:
Porn stars make a lot more from the weirder stuff…like A LOT more from what I hear. Actually, I think this was on NPR, they were talking about how a guy would make 40,000 a year, a woman would make 80,000 a year, and you can add a lot more on top of that 80,000 per crazy-ass thing she does. So quadruple, yes, that'd be a pay day.
Wonder how much a year of lesbian bondage scenes featuring Ron Jeremy and quadruple anal would net.
Probably enought to put you and your kids through college:ninja:
You sure? We men have "off-the-fantasies" dude.
Nah i think the average dude is pretty white bread when it comes to porn, even in his most "depraved" state.
Do some seriously weird stuff and you wont have to worry about your green grocer recognizing you.
Or do some lesbian stuff, cash in a buttload of cash, and even after all the guys will just want you more.
im gay so if ever i were to have children i'd prefer the gay son to the porn star daughter…oddly enough if the son ended up doing gay porn i'd be less ashamed, guess i have a double standard there but women should act like..well proper ladies, so i expect something from them...men are pigs so theres not many things my son could do that would make me gasp...
im gay so if ever i were to have children i'd prefer the gay son to the porn star daughter…oddly enough if the son ended up doing gay porn i'd be less ashamed, guess i have a double standard there but women should act like..well proper ladies, so i expect something from them...men are pigs so theres not many things my son could do that would make me gasp...
That is an interesting fact.
Lesbians seem to be more tolerated than homosexuality for some reasons.
Every time it always seems to be about gay people when you watch the news.
im gay so if ever i were to have children i'd prefer the gay son to the porn star daughter…oddly enough if the son ended up doing gay porn i'd be less ashamed, guess i have a double standard there but women should act like..well proper ladies, so i expect something from them...men are pigs so theres not many things my son could do that would make me gasp...
Oh my god I love your signature.
Nah i think the average dude is pretty white bread when it comes to porn, even in his most "depraved" state.
He's going to get in the mood, then he's going to like it even more, and more, and more, and then next thing you know he'll want to piss on you while doing jumping jacks and cartwheels.
Do some seriously weird stuff and you wont have to worry about your green grocer recognizing you.
That's actually a good tip to make girls do bizarre crap, like eating feces off a chick's face.
:pouty: . . . :blink: . . . :sick:
Or do some lesbian stuff, cash in a buttload of cash, and even after all the guys will just want you more.
Lesbian? Maybe, men would have to use their brain at some point.
Her, lesbian, that means, her don't want penis, me, have penis. Roar!!! D':<
Bisexual? Guaranteed.
@Sanji -
…Doesn't being a lesbian automatically make you homosexual/gay?
@Zach:
Hey, if quoting straight-from-the-Bible is a "statement…that...start pissing matches" then I apologize.
There had to be a troll eventually XD
Anyway, I think I've stated enough on the subject. PM me if you want to discuss it further, as I would like to keep it civil and end it now before someone pops in and starts flaming.
I think Revelations 22, especially from verse 10, sums up a lot of what I meant on the subject of people twisting the word, respect, sinners not inheriting the gift of heaven, etc. all right there together, but there's more then one verse per topic that I've brought up~
Like I said, PM me if you wish to civilly discuss it further, otherwise I'm out of this topic.
If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would realize sin has existed since the dawn of time when Satan tempted Eve. It's been pretty constant throughout the history of the world, the only thing that has changed are societies of the world and how they viewed them, but that never did change the fact a sin is a sin. The way people perceive things really has no bearing on how bad a sin is, as God is the ultimate judge.
And don't you mean polytheistic? Monotheistic is the belief of one God, which has always been the case even in Pre-Christ Christianity. I mean, it's its #1 in the 10 commandments. There were cases of polytheism in the bible, especially the old testament but they were completely separate religions, that God didn't approve of at all.
So I don't understand at ALL how your comment is a reasonable retort to what I just posted. Because nothing I said had nothing to do with people picking and choosing what they follow and what they don't. That is also a sin itself. Christians are under the new testament. They don't reserve the right to pick or choose what to follow or what not to follow. See Revelations 22:18.
What I was saying is that:
A) You were quoting something from Leviticus which is in the Torah (the Old Testament) and not from pure Christian theology. What I'm saying is that you don't celebrate any of the holidays you were commanded to in the Old Testament, you don't listen to a slew of the 600+ commandments in the Jewish Bible so why should you take a single little quote from a book that I have more of an excuse to follow than you and use it as an example as to why homosexuality is a sin. I'll take you more seriously when you start celebrating Passover and fasting on Yom Kippur and going to Synagogue on Saturdays instead of Sundays. If what you're saying is supposed to have meaning, then you need to take the old book as seriously as you take the new one. Practice what you preach.
B) I'm saying that Christianity is polytheistic and that you're breaking the #1 commandment. Jesus Christ and God can't both be heavenly beings with divine power. That's two gods. Two is more than one. That's POLYtheistic.
I'll stop now, I had to explain myself on those two points.
He's going to get in the mood, then he's going to like it even more, and more, and more, and then next thing you know he'll want to piss on you while doing jumping jacks and cartwheels.
That's actually a good tip to make girls do bizarre crap, like eating feces off a chick's face.
:pouty: . . . :blink: . . . :sick:
There's gotta be a happy medium betwenn totaly disgusting and your average run of the mill porno.
Lesbian? Maybe, men would have to use their brain at some point.
Her, lesbian, that means, her don't want penis, me, have penis. Roar!!! D':<Bisexual? Guaranteed.
They could try to turn a lesbian? Worked for Affleck in that movie:ninja:
@Cyan:
…Doesn't being a lesbian automatically make you homosexual/gay?
Maybe she's just gay for pay? or lesbian until graduation:ninja:
@Cyan:
@Sanji -
…Doesn't being a lesbian automatically make you homosexual/gay?
Sorry typo mistake.
Gays is for men. Lesbians is for Women.
Yes, both exist. It seems that the gay issue is everywhere. Honestly, I have nothing against gay as long as they do not force another men in a relation (rape) just like any other types of relationships.
As long as they do not commit terrible crimes like any of us. It is cool for me.
There's gotta be a happy medium betwenn totaly disgusting and your average run of the mill porno.
There's no such thing when it comes to today's categories of porn.
They could try to turn a lesbian? Worked for Affleck in that movie:ninja:
That's so gay dude.
As long as they do not commit terrible crimes like any of us. It is cool for me.
Oh shit! Sanji499! You're black?! :w00t:
Awesome! I'm not alone!
@Zach:
B) I'm saying that Christianity is polytheistic and that you're breaking the #1 commandment. Jesus Christ and God can't both be heavenly beings with divine power. That's two gods. Two is more than one. That's POLYtheistic.
This argument isn't going to accomplish anything, and I'd really prefer if you guys abandoned it before it gets messy.
I thought that jesus, god the father and the holy spirit are together one god…
That's just how it is... Now if you search for a logic behind this then it might not be the right topic.
Isn't Jesus one of us?
Isn't Jesus one of us?
No one knows.
Would not be hilarious if we learn that the holy texts of religion were written by drunk people who butchered women.
@Zach:
What I was saying is that:
A) You were quoting something from Leviticus which is in the Torah (the Old Testament) and not from pure Christian theology. What I'm saying is that you don't celebrate any of the holidays you were commanded to in the Old Testament, you don't listen to a slew of the 600+ commandments in the Jewish Bible so why should you take a single little quote from a book that I have more of an excuse to follow than you and use it as an example as to why homosexuality is a sin. I'll take you more seriously when you start celebrating Passover and fasting on Yom Kippur and going to Synagogue on Saturdays instead of Sundays. If what you're saying is supposed to have meaning, then you need to take the old book as seriously as you take the new one. Practice what you preach.
B) I'm saying that Christianity is polytheistic and that you're breaking the #1 commandment. Jesus Christ and God can't both be heavenly beings with divine power. That's two gods. Two is more than one. That's POLYtheistic.
I'll stop now, I had to explain myself on those two points.
I am sorry but WOW.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
I'm just… wow.
The old testament has VERY MUCH to do with how Christianity came to be. The old law (Judaism) was the people of God followed. Then God sends Christ, who teaches what is to become the NEW LAW. Technically, Jesus, in his human form, was born a jew.
So Jesus is going around teaching God's word (Christianity), converting the jews. Hardcore jews don't like this, they try to make him look bad, and it all leads up to the crucifiction.
After the resserction, we are under the new law, the teachings of Christ. This is beginning of Christianity as we know it, but Christianity did come out of Judaism.
The difference is as it says in the bible, the hardcore Jews didn't beleive Christ was the son of God, therefore they did not give credit to his teachings and continued to live under the old law, where they take their teachings from today.
Point B proves you know little about Christianity. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost are one and the same. This is like, one of the most emphasized concepts. God sent Christ to deliver his teachings to the world, as a human. Christ came from God, therefore is a part of God. We're all also connected to God because he's our creator. Christ is also the mediator between us and God. He died so our wicked, evil selves could be forgiven and have the chance to receive the gift of heaven, and through his blood we have that chance.
You can almost think of it, as I've been told before, like the 3 branches of government. We still only have 1 federal gov't, there's just 3 parts that make up the whole.
But really, stepping out of it now. It will just get uglier XD
In an attempt to end this once and for all, all I'm going to say is reread what I said in (A) and I'll drop the whole (B)-line only to say that from an outsiders perspective, it looks a little different. I was just saying that you can't ignore some things in the Old Testament and then preach others (a la the original argument about homosexuality from Leviticus: see how it all comes back to the original topic here?).
What I do say is extraordinarily offensive is what you imply in this:
So Jesus is going around teaching God's word (Christianity), converting the jews. Hardcore jews don't like this, they try to make him look bad, and it all leads up to the crucifiction.
I just had to note that I don't like where you're going with this and I'd appreciate you stop.
I'm done if you are.