LMAO…
Yea Lack's art is amazing, I wonder when he is going to do the WB crew
Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
All I see is blue tits.
I wonder if they're bigger than Blackbeard's…
Hancock-sama!!! :wub:
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LMAO…
Yea Lack's art is amazing, I wonder when he is going to do the WB crewI just hope we got colorspread of BB and his 16 commander. :)
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It's long… Sorry, about its size.
Before you read this, you missed some of my points completely... But, this is your argument, not mine... So, I have to convince you to see things my way. So, enjoy:
! Quote One:
! > What way of life….she had no ambitions apart from being served by cuddly toys.
Not something worth regaining.
! It had less to do with her "life" and daily activities, but more to do with her "serenity" and freedom of the mind. She was basically able to feel at "home" and you know the saying that "There's no place like home" from Wizard of Oz, right?
! Well, this is the same sort of situation, you have to treat Perona as an immature little brat, since that's her character. So, if she basically is taken to a new location, all of a sudden, she'd be confused and disoriented and such… Sort of how Dorothy was when she first arrived.
! Since Perona has lost all of her previous things, that's what I am talking about… She's an emotional character that has immense and rich characterization going on, but if you can't feel her situation, then you'd probably be very indifferent and uncaring towards her.
! The whole point I made is that she's without any of that previous security that Thriller Bark offered her, instead, she's off to fend on her own [and for her its strange due to her spoiled brat personality].
! Quote Two:! > It has been foreshadowed that Zoro needed to improve his skills in relation to sword taming, his cutting ability/spiritual side of fighting. As her power focuses on inner strength then its possible to tie in the two aspects in some shape or form to allow improvement. Although there are a multitude of possibilities open to them right now.
! No, it was only in relation to Shushui [spelling?]. When he tried to use it for the fight against Oars, the sword was sucking in the other "two" during most of his attacks and he said "I need to train myself better to handle it" and such… Then, he basically couldn't do that until he recovered.
! I think you have a misunderstanding of her "known" power... She can only currently create two types of ghosts: Negative Ones, and "other". [the reason I call it other is because she has changed size and creates them at different situations… AP FORM, HOLO BOMBS, SPECIAL HOLLOW, etc.] Negative Hollow will always do a constant thing: if you are more negative than her ghost, then you'd beat it out and wouldn't take the damage from it [example: Usopp], however, if you are a different person of the other extreme, you'd ALWAYS be bothered by it. Example, everyone that was hit except Usopp.
! The only way to basically become UNAFFECTED [by manga explanation] is to basically turn into Usopp. That's something that is NOT going to happen to Zoro. [Unless you feel it will] Plus, it's pretty worthless for a man like Zoro to become a coward like Usopp…
! It's a horrible choice for Oda to do, and Zoro hasn't been shown to do that at all in his cover arc. So, Oda isn't foreshadowing that sort of thing.
! Second is the "Haki" principle… Which I can't expect to be even remotely possible. So, we are basically stuck with a "speculation" that's NOT backed by the manga, unless Perona can create an OUT-OF-BODY PROJECTION for Zoro as well, which wouldn't probably matter either...
! My point is that there's very little to assume of Zoro gaining nearly ANYTHING from Perona, other than the plot device substance stuff.
! Quote Three:! > I don't understand how or why she would be used for directions.
Any reasoning behind this flawed logic? or is this just another ploy being used to ignore my posts and maintain an argument.
Either way you agreed with my main point…..end of discussion.
! This is tricky to see, but it's something that Oda uses as a GAG with Zoro.
! According to the manga, each and every time that Zoro gets lost some time, there is a few things that will foreshadow them. Here they are:
! 1. Zoro is told to head somewhere… He has to have a destination.- Zoro "says" he knows, or he is acting cocky in some way or form.
- Zoro is then lost.
- This is shown by means of things like words, "Where are they now??", actions "Zoro has an arrow that is going in the opposite direction, Zoro has run in circles or something that we can see," or a mixture of many. The point is that Zoro is lost, and Oda takes the time to show it in some way or form.
- Then, irony kicks in, and because Zoro said "I know how to do this…" and such, he officially gets even MORE lost and screws up.
- So, to help him, Oda brings in a new character, or event that is basically shown that will guide Zoro to the correct direction: (below are some examples)
- During Jaya, when the crew was heading South, Zoro got lost and a South Bird stole his bag, that he grabbed onto, and flew him South towards the beanstalk where he was able to make it into the fight… In fact, Zoro got lost so bad that he made it back to the altar rather than heading South [Note: they started off at the altar].
- During Enies Lobby, Nami told Zoro to take the "stairs" and he said "Yeah I will!!" and then he went right towards a wall… Then, Nami and Chopper were used to help him find the stairs that were right in front of him...
- On Water 7 when Garp came, Zoro saw the ship and tried to return to where they were staying, but he somehow returned back to the starting point where he was sitting… So, Oda showed two boys that were used (Micheal and Hoicheal) to guide Zoro, they were trying to pick his pockets.
- During Alabasta, he was told to head find a bomb, and he basically was heading the wrong way… So, a Marine told him to head North and such, but Zoro ended up on the top of a mountain before arriving at the "highest point" he could think of, meaning in "height" and not in direction...
- When they were trying to get to the roof of the Enies Lobby place where Judge Baskerville-whatever was at, Zoro ran around in circles… So, once again, since Luffy was on "TOP" of the tower last time he saw him, Zoro went "north" and totally knew not of directions...
- During SA, when Zoro got off of the ship and followed the numbers, he ACTUALLY is shown to have asked directions… Yes, in the manga, it is shown that Zoro asked directions, like he said he would... Just to follow numbers on a tree.
- Etc.
- That character will then guide him towards the place he needs to go and save Zoro.
! In this arc, Zoro has done the following:
! * Zoro said "I know how to use the VIVRE CARD" to Chopper when he was about to explain [hints that he won't when he needs to…]- Zoro has a "Where are they now??" cover arc title, which means that he is lost.
- Zoro has to get to SA by following the directions of a VIVRE CARD.
! So, by means of foreshadowing, as Oda has done every other time, Zoro is doomed to fail.
! Therefore, we have a character brought in to help him make it out of this problem: Perona.
! * She has shown an ability to follow simple navigation… [When the SH crew opened the floating cask and the flashing bullet flew out, Perona was shown to track it from the middle of nowhere and end up on the ship.]- She should be able to follow the direction of the VIVRE CARD that leads towards a single direction.
! So, this forces Zoro to have a plot device to assist him get back to the island where they must meet. Of all the characters there, Perona is the one currently most able to do it. Shadow THING may not even be able to do anything, so we have to have faith that Oda will use this girl to bring him back to the location that he needs to head. It's about the most predictable you can get with Oda's gag of Zoro's inability to follow directions, and it is pretty much constant. You can look it up, but this is pretty much true for every single situation that Zoro got lost.
! Therefore, in the end result, since Zoro needs to escape, she will be the plot device to help him out… That's why I don't fully agree with your point. /resume discussion.
! Quote Four:! > So now your argueing about the phrasing used instead of the sole reasoning behind this debate.
Lolworthy indeed.
! I am confident that you'll see it in my point of view, it is strictly literal.
! Quote Five:! > Yes it is if it follows the trend.
! No, not every character held all of these things before they joined, either officially or unofficially.
! Quote Six:! > The two had completely different set-ups. Unless Perona helped beat Moria, saved a nation, prevented the resurfacing of ancient weapons and save Luffy then its highly unlikely that she could be mirrored in comparison to Robin.
! It's not about the events, you have to take it and break it down…
! Robin asked to join. Nami, nor any other character, did not.
! Robin was accepted. Perona can ask to join, and she'd be set to follow the whole "mysterious past" girl that Robin was, at least towards the gravity of it.
! She can still follow the whole Robin/ Nami future rescue arc path that Oda has done for the two.
! Quote Seven:! > Which means that she will have to meet and be saved by Luffy, as well as discover some ambition and a position that is needed in the crew.
Why would Oda risk snapping his spine in the attempt to waste enough page space to make this remotely possible.
Fact is she hasn't got any of the required trends. Yet you think that Oda will go massively out of his way to create the requirements…..to gain what? Some shallow childish girl.
! That's false. You DO NOT need a position to join the crew. Usopp did NOT have one prior to joining the crew. Brook did not have one when he first accepted the whole thing.
! You don't need an ambition to join the crew, but it does help your chances by a billion fold… Brook did not have one when he first accepted it, it was revealed the next "chapter" and later on in TB it was explained fully.
! Furthermore, that "fight" scene can come much later into the future… Like how Robin and Nami had their serious arcs AFTER they joined. Perona can follow these rules as well as follow the pathway of Brook, who basically lets any character join...
! All that is needed for Perona to do is to head and lead Zoro to Thousand Sunny, then say "can I join?" and have Zoro admit that she helped him, even if he doesn't, it's pretty obvious she did. So, then Luffy would assess the situation and since he has invited people that "helped" others, he would offer her a chance like the others... Without any "real" reason.
! In order to make a trend, you must have even Brook's "first" invitation and his accepting of that on that chapter, at the last page. Otherwise, the trend isn't coherent and it lacks consistency.
! For that reason, the only remaining accurate "trend" is that Luffy can invite any random thing, and as long as that thing can come into contact with him, that thing can join... Of all the people he has invited and been rejected/ accepted by, they were all compassionate in some way.
! Zombie tree and unicorn never answered, therefore, they would not count in the whole list since they weren't "able to" answer towards the compassion part.
! However, they would be included in the random invitation thing, since they are characters that were invited... Luffy invites anything that moves and is "cool" or "nice". That's the most fact a trend on OP can actually be without having loopholes.
! You may agree, or disagree...
! Quote Eight:! > This isn't some domino effect. Luffy hasn't saved her, nuff said.
! Hmmm… I don't have a standard one. I could make up one that fits the "saving" part, but I assume that this should apply towards the future as well... Not just "current" since that'd suck. Indirectly, it could be argued he has, but other than that, you would be correct that Luffy hasn't saved her up to this chapter in the manga, in the future, we don't know...
! But, I don't really like this one. He didn't save Brook the first time they met, he just greeted him and screamed/ laughed... Nami even attacked him.
! Quote Nine:! > What…We've seen her skills throughout Thriller Bark. I don't need Oda to write it in black and white.
Her introduction proved her infiltration abilities alone, though this isn't something the crew needs.
! Yes you do… This is his manga, he is already finished with the generic crew positions, so he can't have anything predictable in terms of what he names them anymore since we DON'T have a reference to figure it out...
! So, unless he gives us the name, we can't figure out what he could call her.
! Furthermore, we don't know what else she was able to do at Thriller Bark since she COULDN'T have joined Moria when he hadn't even had zombies present to command without a Dr. Hogback in his crew...
! Quote Ten:! > She doesn't have a back-story because she isn't important enough to warrant one. Nor do we have enough to include her either.
! False. What reason she joined Moria is unknown and she could warrant a connection to the NW which is surprise surprise the SH crew future destination…
! It's NOT known what her background may be, but it doesn't mean that she's been isolated on an island for her whole life, because she clearly cannot have been. Moria's whole crew died before she joined, therefore, he had no one from his old crew and she joined after Kaidou whooped his behind, coincidence? You decide...
! Note: There's speculation on why she's above Absolam in time of joining... But, it's baseless, so I won't bother to expand.
! Furthermore, Moria was fucked up in the chin and all over by Kaidou, so you'd have to imagine the worst and wonder how he got a girl to join him...
! She could very well have a horrible past, her personality reeks of it...
! Quote Eleven:! > Haunted mansion, servants, toys….sounds about right.
! Depending on what translation you look for, you'll either get the "fun" idea, which is a unique definition that her character knows and only her character… Looking up in the dictionary won't help us figure out her own definition of "fun" since she never expanded on that... We can't make assumptions based on her "hobbies" and such, because there are cases where hobbies aren't "fun" to some and so on... Basically, we cannot define it and we cannot interpret the meaning.
! So, that's the one reason that translations suggest she joined Moria from the start... Nothing that you said.
! The other is that it isn't provided because a translation translates that phrase differently, therefore, the reason as to why she joined him isn't even known.
! So, it'd be 100% speculation if that is the correct translation.
! Lastly, her character is hard to read perfectly, but she's a very interesting character... Which ever it is, we have no clear understanding on the details concerning it, so it's baseless to mention why...
! Quote Twelve:! > Chances are she was head-hunted by Moria, just like Hogback for her skills that tied in with the horror theme.
! Maybe, maybe not… It depends on when Kaidou whooped him a new chin and he was able to recover... We don't know where she was found either, which continues the whole thing... Plus, we don't know if she was "known" in the past as a "young girl" that was nicknamed Ghost Princess at that very young age...
! So, we are left without anything...
! Quote Thirteen:! > This would be possible, though the length Oda would have to go to wouldn't be justified by the conclusion.
! Works best if she was a member of Kaidou's crew in the past and then after Moria lost, she left to help the injured man…
! Fixes the whole plot line and gives Luffy a future opponent that allows him to grow.
! It can work also, since her connection with Moria isn't known and she may be the first character to join, which would be after Kaidou's big whooping that was a personal assassination of Moria's crew and a chin removed.
! Quote Fourteen:! > Map/navigate the entire sea.
! Buggy Arc, before Arlong Arc, it was all about 100 million… Nothing about maps.
! Quote Fifteen:! > Though this was apparent by the lives they lead. Perona doesn't offer anything remotely interesting that hints at this.
Which quashes that parallel.
! It is not like we know everything about her, and she has possible connections depending on her Background before Thriller Bark…
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Sorry for double post…
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I left OMF for completely different reasons and although I don't care for Hancock fanatics the way you talk about them only sounds like you're describing yourself on here.
Maybe you should join Naruto forums and post in the OP section. They'll definitely open you with open arms.
Oh, they banned me… Rude people...
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Is it also true that you got it from other people's blogs, but never officially heard this statement?
I never caught the statement myself, even though I was there. I was perusing a Japanese blog looking for Oda interviews of long ago and stumbled upon it. I checked a number of sources and copy/pasted the quote into Google and found a number of jlogs with the same quote.
If you're questioning the validity, there is reason to.
I never heard the quote myself and cannot confirm it.
However, despite what I think about extreme Japanese fandom, I'm inclined to believe they would accurately quote Oda, especially when they've done so in the past regarding important statements like that.
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Sorry for double post…
Oh, they banned me... Rude people...
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@Zik:
Because of Sasuke…I never caught the statement myself, even though I was there. I was perusing a Japanese blog looking for Oda interviews of long ago and stumbled upon it. I checked a number of sources and copy/pasted the quote into Google and found a number of jlogs with the same quote.
If you're questioning the validity, there is reason to.
I never heard the quote myself and cannot confirm it.
However, despite what I think about extreme Japanese fandom, I'm inclined to believe they would accurately quote Oda, especially when they've done so in the past regarding important statements like that.
Alright, thanks…
I was holding mixed feelings about it when I reread what you wrote over it. Since it wasn't heard, I thought that there was a very high chance that it could be just a collaborative rumor provided by communication problems.
Now, I can just "ignore" the quote, due to reasonable doubt/ or excessive lack of interpretation ...
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Why Is Agog Still Posting After Those 20 Pages
Omgggggg Agogggggggg Come On Already, Throw In The Twowl, Your A Terrible Sport Agog
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He doesn't stop, that's his shtick.
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Sorry for double post…
Oh, they banned me... Rude people...
Do you realize how awful you have to be to be banned from narutofan for non-trolling/flaming related reasons? Do you even understand what that means?
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Go AGOG!
Its amazing how much data (which seems to be in context, mind) he can come up with containing soooo little information.
Basically his entire post can be summed up as:
! Quote One: She still has no ambitions apart from being served by cuddly toys. (Yea, really, all that Wizard of Oz stuff and all that Thriller Bark security is just random data which doesn't reveal anything relevant)
! Quote Two: I am going to totally ignore all plot possibilities because they are just speculations.
! Quote Three: I am going to speculate a specific plot possiblity of her following Zoro. (yea, Quote Two doesn't apply to almighty me!). Also, I am going to use Oda's silly gags seriously. (Zoro's pathfinding)
! Quote Four: You fail to understand my twisted mind!
! Quote Five: More specualtions! (see Quote Two)
! Quote Six: I am going to ignore that she would just be a mirror of Robin, which is highly unlikely. I want her to join and this means she will have a sad story.
! Quote Seven: I am going to use Oda's silly gags seriously, again. (This time Luffy's invitations)
! Quote Eight: Anything can happen in the future. We should keep our hopes up about her joining.
! Quote Nine: Oda better make a position on the ship suitable for her!
! Quote Ten: Oda better make a backstory for her!
! Quote Eleven: Fun? What is the meaning of fun? Yea, I am not going to stick to the general accepted definitions. It means her not joining, which is clearly wrong! And I am going to make more speculations while at the same time ignoring your speculations.
! Quote Twelve: I am trying to defend my speculations and failing!
! Quote Thirteen: More extremely unlikely speculations!
! Quote Fourteen: I am totally clueless about all other characters other than Perona! (seriously, you must be really daft to think Nami's isn't to map the world…)
! Quote Fifteen: Oda better make a backstory for her!So basically, he didn't counter any of the points so far… fun stuff.
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You actually read all that? Wow.
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Yeah I just clicked the tags to see how long they were.
Good luck with that SMUDGE
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Can we get Brennan in here by the way, to make a mod promise to act on the bet between me and AGOG?
If Perona doesn't join the crew he gets an IP, if I'm wrong I get a Miserable User effective immediatly on all accounts and even any new ones.
The deadline can be when they arrive at Fishman Island. If she hasn't joined or at least started tagging along by then, AGOG is silenced forever.
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I just wanted to see, for one last time, if his arguments really have any substance; before ignoring him forever w.r.t to this topic.
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That post was longer then the wikipedia article on Humans.
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I'm not that great in arguments, but doesn't it usually signal something when all the rest are yelling: NO THATS RETARDED
and this one really pathetic dude is trying to convince them otherwise? With wild theories and stuff.
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Hancock and Jimbei FTW.!
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I VOTE
MargueriteI DON'T CARE IF SHE HAD A TROUBLE PAST BUT I WANT HER TO JOIN BOA WOULD JUST GET IN THE WAY AND PERONA IS SO ANNOYING
sorry for the caps
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It's long… Sorry, about its size.
Before you read this, you missed some of my points completely... But, this is your argument, not mine... So, I have to convince you to see things my way. So, enjoy:
! Quote One:
! It had less to do with her "life" and daily activities, but more to do with her "serenity" and freedom of the mind. She was basically able to feel at "home" and you know the saying that "There's no place like home" from Wizard of Oz, right?
! Well, this is the same sort of situation, you have to treat Perona as an immature little brat, since that's her character. So, if she basically is taken to a new location, all of a sudden, she'd be confused and disoriented and such… Sort of how Dorothy was when she first arrived.
! Since Perona has lost all of her previous things, that's what I am talking about… She's an emotional character that has immense and rich characterization going on, but if you can't feel her situation, then you'd probably be very indifferent and uncaring towards her.
! The whole point I made is that she's without any of that previous security that Thriller Bark offered her, instead, she's off to fend on her own [and for her its strange due to her spoiled brat personality].
! Quote Two:! No, it was only in relation to Shushui [spelling?]. When he tried to use it for the fight against Oars, the sword was sucking in the other "two" during most of his attacks and he said "I need to train myself better to handle it" and such… Then, he basically couldn't do that until he recovered.
! I think you have a misunderstanding of her "known" power... She can only currently create two types of ghosts: Negative Ones, and "other". [the reason I call it other is because she has changed size and creates them at different situations… AP FORM, HOLO BOMBS, SPECIAL HOLLOW, etc.] Negative Hollow will always do a constant thing: if you are more negative than her ghost, then you'd beat it out and wouldn't take the damage from it [example: Usopp], however, if you are a different person of the other extreme, you'd ALWAYS be bothered by it. Example, everyone that was hit except Usopp.
! The only way to basically become UNAFFECTED [by manga explanation] is to basically turn into Usopp. That's something that is NOT going to happen to Zoro. [Unless you feel it will] Plus, it's pretty worthless for a man like Zoro to become a coward like Usopp…
! It's a horrible choice for Oda to do, and Zoro hasn't been shown to do that at all in his cover arc. So, Oda isn't foreshadowing that sort of thing.
! Second is the "Haki" principle… Which I can't expect to be even remotely possible. So, we are basically stuck with a "speculation" that's NOT backed by the manga, unless Perona can create an OUT-OF-BODY PROJECTION for Zoro as well, which wouldn't probably matter either...
! My point is that there's very little to assume of Zoro gaining nearly ANYTHING from Perona, other than the plot device substance stuff.
! Quote Three:! This is tricky to see, but it's something that Oda uses as a GAG with Zoro.
! According to the manga, each and every time that Zoro gets lost some time, there is a few things that will foreshadow them. Here they are:
! 1. Zoro is told to head somewhere… He has to have a destination.- Zoro "says" he knows, or he is acting cocky in some way or form.
- Zoro is then lost.
- This is shown by means of things like words, "Where are they now??", actions "Zoro has an arrow that is going in the opposite direction, Zoro has run in circles or something that we can see," or a mixture of many. The point is that Zoro is lost, and Oda takes the time to show it in some way or form.
- Then, irony kicks in, and because Zoro said "I know how to do this…" and such, he officially gets even MORE lost and screws up.
- So, to help him, Oda brings in a new character, or event that is basically shown that will guide Zoro to the correct direction: (below are some examples)
- During Jaya, when the crew was heading South, Zoro got lost and a South Bird stole his bag, that he grabbed onto, and flew him South towards the beanstalk where he was able to make it into the fight… In fact, Zoro got lost so bad that he made it back to the altar rather than heading South [Note: they started off at the altar].
- During Enies Lobby, Nami told Zoro to take the "stairs" and he said "Yeah I will!!" and then he went right towards a wall… Then, Nami and Chopper were used to help him find the stairs that were right in front of him...
- On Water 7 when Garp came, Zoro saw the ship and tried to return to where they were staying, but he somehow returned back to the starting point where he was sitting… So, Oda showed two boys that were used (Micheal and Hoicheal) to guide Zoro, they were trying to pick his pockets.
- During Alabasta, he was told to head find a bomb, and he basically was heading the wrong way… So, a Marine told him to head North and such, but Zoro ended up on the top of a mountain before arriving at the "highest point" he could think of, meaning in "height" and not in direction...
- When they were trying to get to the roof of the Enies Lobby place where Judge Baskerville-whatever was at, Zoro ran around in circles… So, once again, since Luffy was on "TOP" of the tower last time he saw him, Zoro went "north" and totally knew not of directions...
- During SA, when Zoro got off of the ship and followed the numbers, he ACTUALLY is shown to have asked directions… Yes, in the manga, it is shown that Zoro asked directions, like he said he would... Just to follow numbers on a tree.
- Etc.
- That character will then guide him towards the place he needs to go and save Zoro.
! In this arc, Zoro has done the following:
! * Zoro said "I know how to use the VIVRE CARD" to Chopper when he was about to explain [hints that he won't when he needs to…]- Zoro has a "Where are they now??" cover arc title, which means that he is lost.
- Zoro has to get to SA by following the directions of a VIVRE CARD.
! So, by means of foreshadowing, as Oda has done every other time, Zoro is doomed to fail.
! Therefore, we have a character brought in to help him make it out of this problem: Perona.
! * She has shown an ability to follow simple navigation… [When the SH crew opened the floating cask and the flashing bullet flew out, Perona was shown to track it from the middle of nowhere and end up on the ship.]- She should be able to follow the direction of the VIVRE CARD that leads towards a single direction.
! So, this forces Zoro to have a plot device to assist him get back to the island where they must meet. Of all the characters there, Perona is the one currently most able to do it. Shadow THING may not even be able to do anything, so we have to have faith that Oda will use this girl to bring him back to the location that he needs to head. It's about the most predictable you can get with Oda's gag of Zoro's inability to follow directions, and it is pretty much constant. You can look it up, but this is pretty much true for every single situation that Zoro got lost.
! Therefore, in the end result, since Zoro needs to escape, she will be the plot device to help him out… That's why I don't fully agree with your point. /resume discussion.
! Quote Four:! I am confident that you'll see it in my point of view, it is strictly literal.
! Quote Five:! No, not every character held all of these things before they joined, either officially or unofficially.
! Quote Six:! It's not about the events, you have to take it and break it down…
! Robin asked to join. Nami, nor any other character, did not.
! Robin was accepted. Perona can ask to join, and she'd be set to follow the whole "mysterious past" girl that Robin was, at least towards the gravity of it.
! She can still follow the whole Robin/ Nami future rescue arc path that Oda has done for the two.
! Quote Seven:! That's false. You DO NOT need a position to join the crew. Usopp did NOT have one prior to joining the crew. Brook did not have one when he first accepted the whole thing.
! You don't need an ambition to join the crew, but it does help your chances by a billion fold… Brook did not have one when he first accepted it, it was revealed the next "chapter" and later on in TB it was explained fully.
! Furthermore, that "fight" scene can come much later into the future… Like how Robin and Nami had their serious arcs AFTER they joined. Perona can follow these rules as well as follow the pathway of Brook, who basically lets any character join...
! All that is needed for Perona to do is to head and lead Zoro to Thousand Sunny, then say "can I join?" and have Zoro admit that she helped him, even if he doesn't, it's pretty obvious she did. So, then Luffy would assess the situation and since he has invited people that "helped" others, he would offer her a chance like the others... Without any "real" reason.
! In order to make a trend, you must have even Brook's "first" invitation and his accepting of that on that chapter, at the last page. Otherwise, the trend isn't coherent and it lacks consistency.
! For that reason, the only remaining accurate "trend" is that Luffy can invite any random thing, and as long as that thing can come into contact with him, that thing can join... Of all the people he has invited and been rejected/ accepted by, they were all compassionate in some way.
! Zombie tree and unicorn never answered, therefore, they would not count in the whole list since they weren't "able to" answer towards the compassion part.
! However, they would be included in the random invitation thing, since they are characters that were invited... Luffy invites anything that moves and is "cool" or "nice". That's the most fact a trend on OP can actually be without having loopholes.
! You may agree, or disagree...
! Quote Eight:! Hmmm… I don't have a standard one. I could make up one that fits the "saving" part, but I assume that this should apply towards the future as well... Not just "current" since that'd suck. Indirectly, it could be argued he has, but other than that, you would be correct that Luffy hasn't saved her up to this chapter in the manga, in the future, we don't know...
! But, I don't really like this one. He didn't save Brook the first time they met, he just greeted him and screamed/ laughed... Nami even attacked him.
! Quote Nine:! Yes you do… This is his manga, he is already finished with the generic crew positions, so he can't have anything predictable in terms of what he names them anymore since we DON'T have a reference to figure it out...
! So, unless he gives us the name, we can't figure out what he could call her.
! Furthermore, we don't know what else she was able to do at Thriller Bark since she COULDN'T have joined Moria when he hadn't even had zombies present to command without a Dr. Hogback in his crew...
! Quote Ten:! False. What reason she joined Moria is unknown and she could warrant a connection to the NW which is surprise surprise the SH crew future destination…
! It's NOT known what her background may be, but it doesn't mean that she's been isolated on an island for her whole life, because she clearly cannot have been. Moria's whole crew died before she joined, therefore, he had no one from his old crew and she joined after Kaidou whooped his behind, coincidence? You decide...
! Note: There's speculation on why she's above Absolam in time of joining... But, it's baseless, so I won't bother to expand.
! Furthermore, Moria was fucked up in the chin and all over by Kaidou, so you'd have to imagine the worst and wonder how he got a girl to join him...
! She could very well have a horrible past, her personality reeks of it...
! Quote Eleven:! Depending on what translation you look for, you'll either get the "fun" idea, which is a unique definition that her character knows and only her character… Looking up in the dictionary won't help us figure out her own definition of "fun" since she never expanded on that... We can't make assumptions based on her "hobbies" and such, because there are cases where hobbies aren't "fun" to some and so on... Basically, we cannot define it and we cannot interpret the meaning.
! So, that's the one reason that translations suggest she joined Moria from the start... Nothing that you said.
! The other is that it isn't provided because a translation translates that phrase differently, therefore, the reason as to why she joined him isn't even known.
! So, it'd be 100% speculation if that is the correct translation.
! Lastly, her character is hard to read perfectly, but she's a very interesting character... Which ever it is, we have no clear understanding on the details concerning it, so it's baseless to mention why...
! Quote Twelve:! Maybe, maybe not… It depends on when Kaidou whooped him a new chin and he was able to recover... We don't know where she was found either, which continues the whole thing... Plus, we don't know if she was "known" in the past as a "young girl" that was nicknamed Ghost Princess at that very young age...
! So, we are left without anything...
! Quote Thirteen:! Works best if she was a member of Kaidou's crew in the past and then after Moria lost, she left to help the injured man…
! Fixes the whole plot line and gives Luffy a future opponent that allows him to grow.
! It can work also, since her connection with Moria isn't known and she may be the first character to join, which would be after Kaidou's big whooping that was a personal assassination of Moria's crew and a chin removed.
! Quote Fourteen:! Buggy Arc, before Arlong Arc, it was all about 100 million… Nothing about maps.
! Quote Fifteen:! It is not like we know everything about her, and she has possible connections depending on her Background before Thriller Bark…
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I skipped all the stuff you didn't want to go on over, since they were speculations as you had put them…My initial reaction.
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@Doggggggiestyle:
I'm not that great in arguments, but doesn't it usually signal something when all the rest are yelling: NO THATS RETARDED
and this one really pathetic dude is trying to convince them otherwise? With wild theories and stuff.
Not really, it just signals that the people who agree with AGOG are staying quiet.
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Well I for one have new found respect for AGOG for not giving up despite all the flaming. In this forum I believe he is the closest to becoming a real life 'D'…
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Whatever happened to the Hancock discussion? It was here last night...
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Not really, it just signals that the people who agree with AGOG are staying quiet.
Or it signals that nobody really agrees with AGOG..
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Guys Boa Will Join, Coz Shes In Love With Luffy
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Don't take everything you read around here as fact. A lot of speculation and rumors are stated as fact.
There probably should be a fact check section for these things even though the SBS and interviews are accessible elsewhere.
Anyway, I'm just going with the 11(including Luffy) that's been stated in the 1st chap.
I'm not against different ideas and I'm not aggressive but I tend not to agree with things stated as fact or something I feel is just plain dumb.
Ok no problem 16 chars
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Not really, it just signals that the people who agree with AGOG are staying quiet.
True, but what hurts is that they are all incompetent mongoloids incapable of using any sense or logic. The only difference with AGOG is he has a giant goddamn mouth.
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After all this Perona better not get picked
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Hancock and Jimbei FTW.!
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After all this Perona better not get picked
Why are you even worried.
I don't think Hancock even has a 50% chance of joining, but at least she's feasible and I worry about being wrong.
But Perona??? This is like betting on a race between a wagon and a porsche.
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Whatever happened to the Hancock discussion? It was here last night…
Hard to say. This thread changes and revolves and evolves and devolves too much.
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I dont think the marines expect that much from the shichibukai considering they know they used to be pirates -also I think they want to keep them on their sides or else they'd be a danger to them
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@Tupac's:
True, but what hurts is that they are all incompetent mongoloids incapable of using any sense or logic. .
Incompetent Mongoloid.? Racist..
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@Tupac's:
Why are you even worried.
I don't think Hancock even has a 50% chance of joining, but at least she's feasible and I worry about being wrong.
But Perona??? This is like betting on a race between a wagon and a porsche.
Well I have to admit though that I did think at one stage that she had a chance even though I didnt want her but I think my fears have been destroyed - good stuff
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Incompetent Mongoloid.? Racist..
Learn your archaic disses scrub.
(If you need help on "scrub" as not referring to a plant here's some help!
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Hard to say. This thread changes and revolves and evolves and devolves too much.
Well, I initiate the motion to revolve the thread back to Boa's case… anyone seconds??
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@Tupac's:
Learn your archaic disses scrub.
(If you need help on "scrub" as not referring to a plant here's some help!
)You somewhat retarded.
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Well, I initiate the motion to revolve the thread back to Boa's case… anyone seconds??
Alright, I'm all for it.
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Well, I initiate the motion to revolve the thread back to Boa's case… anyone seconds??
Yep. Do it. :)
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Hancock is way hotter than Perona. Perona doesn't even stand a chance, in comparison. Hancock-sama!!! :wub:
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Well I for one have new found respect for AGOG for not giving up despite all the flaming. In this forum I believe he is the closest to becoming a real life 'D'…
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Whatever happened to the Hancock discussion? It was here last night...
Not knowing when to quit ahead isn't a sign of composure and resolve but a sign of foolish ignorance.
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Hancock is way hotter than Perona. Perona doesn't even stand a chance, in comparison. Hancock-sama!!! :wub:
Jerkass femme fatale martial artist dark action girl >>>> Whining Goth Lolita all the way.
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Hancock is way hotter than Perona. Perona doesn't even stand a chance, in comparison. Hancock-sama!!! :wub:
Hahaha.
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Ok, a different question around here. Forget all the logic, reason, signs, probabilities or imagined patterns for characters joining. Why do you support the X character? What do you find cool about him? What do you wish to see it doing in the crew?
Mine: Hancock.
Why? Because I like strong female characters and her jerkass facade is unique among the Strawhats.
What's Cool about her? Everything. She's strong and independent, she's far from a dansel in distress, and has a incredible potential for a sad past and an impossible dream.
What do I wish to see? Her interacting with the crew, supporting Luffy no matter how dumbass he is, being jealous of the other girls, turning Sanji and Brook into stone, kicking Chopper around and scaring Usopp all the time. Probably she'd get along well (as fine as she can be with men other than Luffy) with Franky and Zoro, thought. Also, her fights would be really cool (and it's about time to see a female character actually kicking ass and taking names).
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Ok, a different question around here. Forget all the logic, reason, signs, probabilities or imagined patterns for characters joining. Why do you support the X character? What do you find cool about him? What do you wish to see it doing in the crew?
Mine: Hancock.
Why? Because I like strong female characters and her jerkass facade is unique among the Strawhats.
What's Cool about her? Everything. She's strong and independent, she's far from a dansel in distress, and has a incredible potential for a sad past and an impossible dream.
What do I wish to see? Her interacting with the crew, supporting Luffy no matter how dumbass he is, being jealous of the other girls, turning Sanji and Brook into stone, kicking Chopper around and scaring Usopp all the time. Probably she'd get along well (as fine as she can be with men other than Luffy) with Franky and Zoro, thought. Also, her fights would be really cool (and it's about time to see a female character actually kicking ass and taking names).
100% agree .
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Ok, a different question around here. Forget all the logic, reason, signs, probabilities or imagined patterns for characters joining. Why do you support the X character? What do you find cool about him? What do you wish to see it doing in the crew?
Mine: Hancock.
Why? Because I like strong female characters and her jerkass facade is unique among the Strawhats.
What's Cool about her? Everything. She's strong and independent, she's far from a dansel in distress, and has a incredible potential for a sad past and an impossible dream.
What do I wish to see? Her interacting with the crew, supporting Luffy no matter how dumbass he is, being jealous of the other girls, turning Sanji and Brook into stone, kicking Chopper around and scaring Usopp all the time. Probably she'd get along well (as fine as she can be with men other than Luffy) with Franky and Zoro, thought. Also, her fights would be really cool (and it's about time to see a female character actually kicking ass and taking names).
Can i have 2.? :p
Mine: Hancock and Jimbei.
Why:
Jb : His honest persona. His water heart technique is very cool.!
Seems like peace maine type pirates. The man of a pride.Hc: I want to see a martial artist girl. To be honest. I want to see another girl in crew.
What cool about:
Jb: His technique. His attitude. Again. The man of a pride.Hc: Just same as Deicide said.
What i wish too see:
Jb : i can imagine how he will get along will the rest of SH. have heart to heart talk with zoro (the both have manliness side). i wanna see he smile when the other doing chopstick dance. hope he can handle about underwater departement which SH lack.Hc : i think she will admire luffy with twinkle eyes all the times, while sanji and brook might have heavy nosebleed in behind her. i also wanna see more about her fightin style.
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@Thousand:
Not knowing when to quit ahead isn't a sign of composure and resolve but a sign of foolish ignorance.
There is a thin line between the two and it so happens real life D's are foolishly ignorant… Not that I think AGOG is anything like that.
Ok, a different question around here. Forget all the logic, reason, signs, probabilities or imagined patterns for characters joining. Why do you support the X character? What do you find cool about him? What do you wish to see it doing in the crew?
Mine: Hancock.
Why? Because I like strong female characters and her jerkass facade is unique among the Strawhats.
What's Cool about her? Everything. She's strong and independent, she's far from a dansel in distress, and has a incredible potential for a sad past and an impossible dream.
What do I wish to see? Her interacting with the crew, supporting Luffy no matter how dumbass he is, being jealous of the other girls, turning Sanji and Brook into stone, kicking Chopper around and scaring Usopp all the time. Probably she'd get along well (as fine as she can be with men other than Luffy) with Franky and Zoro, thought. Also, her fights would be really cool (and it's about time to see a female character actually kicking ass and taking names).
Seems fun… Mine in that case would be Caimie. I just like her design and well I am really interested in how the hell DOES she poop (I have a similar interest in Brook as well, Luffy asked some impressive questions, Damn Sanji for interrupting)
What I would like to see is Oda trying to make her grow strong... I mean it would be a challenge and I am sure Oda is up to it, just curious how he will do it. Plus her interactions with the crew would be cool...
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Go AGOG!
Its amazing how much data (which seems to be in context, mind) he can come up with containing soooo little information.
I'm sorry, did I type too much for your brain to even compute? It's pretty obvious you missed everything going on…
Furthermore, that post isn't for you... Check the name next time, please.
Basically his entire post can be summed up as:
! Quote One: She still has no ambitions apart from being served by cuddly toys. (Yea, really, all that Wizard of Oz stuff and all that Thriller Bark security is just random data which doesn't reveal anything relevant)
! Quote Two: I am going to totally ignore all plot possibilities because they are just speculations.
! Quote Three: I am going to speculate a specific plot possiblity of her following Zoro. (yea, Quote Two doesn't apply to almighty me!). Also, I am going to use Oda's silly gags seriously. (Zoro's pathfinding)
! Quote Four: You fail to understand my twisted mind!
! Quote Five: More specualtions! (see Quote Two)
! Quote Six: I am going to ignore that she would just be a mirror of Robin, which is highly unlikely. I want her to join and this means she will have a sad story.
! Quote Seven: I am going to use Oda's silly gags seriously, again. (This time Luffy's invitations)
! Quote Eight: Anything can happen in the future. We should keep our hopes up about her joining.
! Quote Nine: Oda better make a position on the ship suitable for her!
! Quote Ten: Oda better make a backstory for her!
! Quote Eleven: Fun? What is the meaning of fun? Yea, I am not going to stick to the general accepted definitions. It means her not joining, which is clearly wrong! And I am going to make more speculations while at the same time ignoring your speculations.
! Quote Twelve: I am trying to defend my speculations and failing!
! Quote Thirteen: More extremely unlikely speculations!
! Quote Fourteen: I am totally clueless about all other characters other than Perona! (seriously, you must be really daft to think Nami's isn't to map the world…)
! Quote Fifteen: Oda better make a backstory for her!So basically, he didn't counter any of the points so far… fun stuff.
! 1. This is me emphasizing my point. It's just a thing that SMUDGE read wrong, so I tried again to explain it.
- This is me telling him that "training" isn't likely, and Perona is likely to be the plot device. Learn how to read, dipshit.
- This is "fact" and you can go and look this up, Oda foreshadows this way, and believe it or not, it's as correct as stating One Piece's title. Try to prove this wrong, I don't you could…
- No, dipshit. It's just telling him to read the previous one, 3, and he'll be able to get my point.
- No, dipshit… learn how to count. It says that a trend is "incorrect"
- Once again, wrong… It's just taking Robin and Nami into a generalized form and showing the similarities in plot between the two and then applying it to Perona's probable future... But you're an idiot that can't read, so no point in helping you...
- False… It's applying the gags into his pattern, which isn't "gags" its what the author wants to include, even if you may or may not agree, it's correct.
- Because the other dude's trend is something I don't agree with, and this point exactly… The reason why I included it was because the person says every character has it... I'm correct.
- It's not "better" dipshit, it's "possible" since we don't know the next position… Thanks though for trying...
- She can have one… That's all I said, smart stuff...
- You're a moron… What is her definition of "fun" then? Furthermore, why don't you translate the quote many times, then tell me which is proper... In case you weren't aware, I included the entire quote in every variant and then said "based upon this, we don't know..." and that's it.
- I'm not failing, I'm actually "passing" and unlike you, I'm not putting up pathetic comments…
- You're supposed to freaking know how to read, I'm giving him a situation, as an "answer" to what he was asking for… It's on there, learn how to argue, and thanks for trying yet again...
- Well, smart stuff, did Nami state "I'm going to make a map of the world!!" prior to Arlong Park, eh? No, dipshit. She didn't and her dream/ ambition was "get 100 million beli to buy an island" until she changed it LATER… Keep thinking like you're smart, but the fact is that you can't read shit.
- Once again, I used the word "can" to show that she "can" have this… Think about it, please, your stupidity is KILLING me here...
So, I thank you for trying, and failing, but please don't keep on following in the shadow of Tupac's Ghost, the guy who has yet to offer any counter at all.
When you can read what I write and understand it, then come talk to me…