Sheo does that too ppl, I've seen some of the best minds be ripped to shreds by his micro breakdowns, smudging truths, misreading information, and twisting ideas. Its sad really, typically when ppl use facts that can't be ignored he starts the name calling, on here he has been surprisingly passive
Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)
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@Tupac's:
WHAT IS WROGN WITH YOU OMG
YOU BLIND NERD
CANT SEE THE TWENTY PAGES UP ABOVE, THE REFUTATION HAS BEGUN AND YOU WILL BE LEFT BEHIND FAT NERD BOY
LEFT BEHIND LIKE PERONA
Your time here should be interesting!
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Sheo does that too ppl, I've seen some of the best minds be ripped to shreds by his micro breakdowns, smudging truths, misreading information, and twisting ideas. Its sad really, typically when ppl use facts that can't be ignored he starts the name calling, on here he has been surprisingly passive
You must have missed the 20 page thesis on the grammar of a sentence.
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it will be interesting to see what the rest of the WB pirates do if WB dies… maybe Oda will surprise us again and we get one of them, the only one I could see is Marco joining, because if WB dies he might still feel the need to "protect" Luffy
O no I've seen all that, You should see his monsters at OM... I've learned to skip it if it goes further than my comp screen, I've seen one that was basically a novel... all about how Perona is a "boss"
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Sheo does that too ppl, I've seen some of the best minds be ripped to shreds by his micro breakdowns, smudging truths, misreading information, and twisting ideas. Its sad really, typically when ppl use facts that can't be ignored he starts the name calling, on here he has been surprisingly passive
Who's Sheo.?
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Sorry AGOG…....................................... my bad
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^I'm guessing you're a survivor from OM's OP forum. I'm happy I jumped ship years ago.
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More pointless psycho-babble.[hide]@AGOG:
It is debatable… For instance, the other characters have a way of life present, Perona lost that way of life.
What way of life….she had no ambitions apart from being served by cuddly toys.
Not something worth regaining.
So, the idea that Perona can help him "ability wise" can apply, but it doesn't explain her purpose to just stay on that island… It doesn't solve her problem of being alone... Furthermore, we don't have a clue on what she could do to him, unless she makes him weaker in "negativism" than Usopp, what she can bring to Zoro is unknown.
It has been foreshadowed that Zoro needed to improve his skills in relation to sword taming, his cutting ability/spiritual side of fighting. As her power focuses on inner strength then its possible to tie in the two aspects in some shape or form to allow improvement. Although there are a multitude of possibilities open to them right now.
So, I do agree that she's currently a tool, but not in that form. She's a plot device used to bring Zoro to SA.
I don't understand how or why she would be used for directions.
Any reasoning behind this flawed logic? or is this just another ploy being used to ignore my posts and maintain an argument.
Either way you agreed with my main point…..end of discussion.
I disagree, she is more of a plot device than a tool, that shadow is a better explanation for a "tool" than her. She offers nothing at all. Aside from "plot device"
So now your argueing about the phrasing used instead of the sole reasoning behind this debate.
Lolworthy indeed.
I know. I agree… But, the thing about this is that it's NOT forced to appear prior to her joining, in a stated way or form.
Yes it is if it follows the trend.
It could be argued for. She's trying to leave, isn't she?
What the hell!
Yes, but Perona can follow Robin's way, all she has to do is ask.
The two had completely different set-ups. Unless Perona helped beat Moria, saved a nation, prevented the resurfacing of ancient weapons and save Luffy then its highly unlikely that she could be mirrored in comparison to Robin.
We don't have this complete yet.
It could still come into play, and even though it's indirectly, it could have already come into play…Which means that she will have to meet and be saved by Luffy, as well as discover some ambition and a position that is needed in the crew.
Why would Oda risk snapping his spine in the attempt to waste enough page space to make this remotely possible.
Fact is she hasn't got any of the required trends. Yet you think that Oda will go massively out of his way to create the requirements…..to gain what? Some shallow childish girl.
I have nothing against this point, it's just that I feel it's not something you can express in a "claim" against her. Saving someone can be very vague even, or something else.
This isn't some domino effect. Luffy hasn't saved her, nuff said.
Her talents weren't named.
What…We've seen her skills throughout Thriller Bark. I don't need Oda to write it in black and white.
Her introduction proved her infiltration abilities alone, though this isn't something the crew needs.
furthermore, we have nothing of a "backstory" and I do agree that this applies, but we don't have enough to exclude her.
She doesn't have a back-story because she isn't important enough to warrant one. Nor do we have enough to include her either.
She may still have talents we aren't aware of.
Clutching at straws with this one.
It's like how he builds up all of these non death characters and then kills Ace leaving people to assume he is alive again… Even though he put up a title.
What?
Well, this is all speculation. If Oda wants her to join, he would need to state a claim that she's connected to either Kaidou, or the NW. SH crew is heading in that direction, she would then be granted the "first recruit" of Moria and then she'd be given a reason, in the form of tragic past, for why she was able to join Moria in the first place.
This is just becoming less coherent as I go on.
She didn't join for Zombies and all that stuff, we don't have any information why she joined.
Haunted mansion, servants, toys….sounds about right.
To me, all of her personality lead to a lonely, tragic past that causes her to have a trauma and such… I hate to get into it, it's baseless speculation and wishful thinking, but I assume that she's either been extremely poor or she basically had some connection to Kaidou and left with Moria because he was injured badly. Sort of like how she helped Zoro out even though he was her enemy.
Chances are she was head-hunted by Moria, just like Hogback for her skills that tied in with the horror theme.
I know you probably laugh at it, but I assume that she's probably been connected with Kaidou since she seems like a good character to use for this.
It fits the female pattern we know:
–Female joins, travels with crew...
--Bonds.
--Her past comes into play.
--We are shown what she went through.
--She's then saved.Not truthful ones.
This would be possible, though the length Oda would have to go to wouldn't be justified by the conclusion.
Nami had an ambition to collect money, correct?
Map/navigate the entire sea.
Perona could have a lame one like "return somewhere" or something that lame and then get a real one in the future…
Again you're trying to force something highly unlikely.
It doesn't discredit her since she's a girl. The ladies of OP usually are mysterious and their pasts are less "exhibited" to the public than that of the males.
Though this was apparent by the lives they lead. Perona doesn't offer anything remotely interesting that hints at this.
Which quashes that parallel.[/hide]
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O no I've seen all that, You should see his monsters at OM… I've learned to skip it if it goes further than my comp screen, I've seen one that was basically a novel... all about how Perona is a "boss"
Well, some of the stuff here has been pretty incredible. I'm impressed if you've seen it all, though, as he's been at it for hundreds of pages by now.
We've figured out how to deal with him, for the most part. It's impossible to stick to a broad topic, since he's totally incapable. It's best to just find errors in his "facts" that have undeniable proof against them, and point them out. It's possible to totally corner him and get him to admit defeat (we've done it 3 or 4 times now, all recently). All he really cares about are semantics, so it's not worth debating with him unless you focus totally on that aspect. Any larger purpose is always totally ignored.
He also really hates if you make funny pictures.
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Retardia, I told you to be enlightened, NOT to read the whole post.
You're … you're not, right?
Retardia?
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Retardia?
COME BACK.
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He also really hates if you make funny pictures.
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Well, some of the stuff here has been pretty incredible. I'm impressed if you've seen it all, though, as he's been at it for hundreds of pages by now.
We've figured out how to deal with him, for the most part. It's impossible to stick to a broad topic, since he's totally incapable. It's best to just find errors in his "facts" that have undeniable proof against them, and point them out. It's possible to totally corner him and get him to admit defeat (we've done it 3 or 4 times now, all recently). All he really cares about are semantics, so it's not worth debating with him unless you focus totally on that aspect. Any larger purpose is always totally ignored.
He also really hates if you make funny pictures.
lol the funny pictures are the best part of all of our debates
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You can't prove it…
Neither can you…
@Tupac's:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Demescus/Oldtimereligon.jpg
Thank goodness your back.
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@dirt:
Retardia, I told you to be enlightened, NOT to read the whole post.
You're … you're not, right?
Retardia?
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Retardia?
COME BACK.
Im here.
Hehe. I think i have read that post before.
But im not noticed about the name of the posters.Hahaha.
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@Tupac's:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Demescus/Oldtimereligon.jpg
Kuma with that face lawls.
It's funny cuz ppl were acting just like that guy when they were all worshiping Buggy in that chap thread.
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Im here.
Hehe. I think i have read that post before.
But im not noticed about the name of the posters.Hahaha.
Still Hancock and Jimbei FTW.!Okay.
Now you can leave.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Kuma with that face lawls.
It's funny cuz ppl were acting just like that guy when they were all worshiping Buggy in that chap thread.
Im sick with Kuma face in that picture.
Meh…Just look like wifebeater.
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@Tupac's:
[qimg]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Demescus/Oldtimereligon.jpg[/qimg]
Oh man, that picture has gotten so much funnier after reading all this Perona vomit. I think they'll have more effect if you somehow incorporate AGOG, though. Not that you need my help with this stuff.
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I wonder how we would do that… I guess just switch up the words
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The boss character statement.
Guys.
We simply do not know what he meant by the statement.
As far as we know, he has fulfilled that promise.
I think it was somewhere between the point TONS of former villains joining his side and Oda's color spread of them getting plastered together.
Oda could have meant someone will literally join or he could mean that they will connect with Luffy and/or the crew on a deep level.
Bentham has EASILY done that.
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Hey, Greg. Wasn't there something in it about heading to the New World with them as well? Or am I mistaken?
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Hey, Greg. Wasn't there something in it about heading to the New World with them as well? Or am I mistaken?
Thats the way I have always heard it. Something like, The SHs will have a boss character help them into the New world or something of that sort. And personally I would think the NW would start after FI, not before, cuz isn't Mariejoa not on the NW side of the RL
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過去のボスキャラを仲間にして新世界へ…
"…make a boss character from the past into a crew member and head to the New World..."
Nothing about them actually going 'together'. In this sense it could end the same as with Vivi.
It's, as usual, a vague as shit statement that he no doubt intended to be as such.
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Ahhh, those tricky little things I didn't catch last time. Thanks.
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Hmm, I would think "crew member" would be permanent but this is Oda that we are talking about, I wish I knew of previous quotes on the subject of NN so we might have a lil better idea of what is going through his head. I think I read somewhere that he only plans a few chapters ahead (besides the ending) so that statement could become false w/ out him even intending it to be false
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Hmm, I would think "crew member" would be permanent
Could very well be. He did the same thing with Vivi. She's isn't a crew member but…she's a crew member. She'll be back.
The fucker can't resist. lol
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Here's how:
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To join the crew, all you need to do is get to the Thousand Sunny since the whole crew and Luffy will be there. And do something that'll make Luffy want to accept you.
Since he invited Brook, a complete nobody on chapter 442 or whatever, he can invite from then on any character like Brook... That's a fact. He did it once, he can do it again.
So, since Perona has done something to help "Zoro", it gives her a reason to be invited/ accepted into the crew.
Her chances to follow Zoro are pretty much automatic (up to the current chapter). She will lead him to SA.
Since the character is basically alone and no longer has any connection to any group since she lost TB and left them and then basically lost everything she had nor do we know of her past, it's giving her a reason to join Zoro's crew.
She was shown lonely when she was reintroduced, therefore, she's given enough reason to follow Zoro towards SA (vivre card). After that, where she can end up on the ship, she'll have an option of going towards either some unknown place, alone. She could go with Rayleigh. She could head with some other group. OR she can follow Zoro to his ship and ask him to let her join or ask Luffy to...
She would do the "Zoro" one because compared to all the other characters, she knows him far better than them.
So, we have these now:
- How to get to the crew and into the position to join.
- Why would she join.
Those are the two things that we need for her to be a nakama.
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For her to be a real crew member, she needs an arc and all of this stuff to happen:
[I'll post link here…]
Here: http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1432092&postcount=7218
So your whole arguement for perona is based on a speculation that perona will leave the island with zoro, continues to travel with zoro, meets luffy, and then does something to get him to like her?
I honestly dont see how perona could compare with Boa Hancock
Theres vertically nothing to support your speculation except more speculationsLuffy already like boa
She currently is with luffy
The thousand sunny is on the same location as both luffy and boaAll these things that you're hoping perona would accomplish, Boa Hancock already has
being with luffy and not wanting to risk her freedom , will leave with luffy luffy because its in her
If she stays, shel'll endanger herself and get arrested for treason when the word reaches sengoku
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@dirt:
http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=3121299&postcount=7
be enlightened
I heard of this sheonite.
He looses almost every arguement and thinks he's winning
Though occasionly he makes good point and provides overlly long postsIf it wasnt for this he'd be an outcast
I was reading this
http://forum.onemanga.com:80/showthread.php?p=3251166#post3251166
alexmedvek really made a great point about sheonite's argument style
…......forum.one manga is pretty intresting.
The individual named alexmedvec shares my arguments.He basically hits my points.
the next nakama thread reached part 102 there..........thats pretty amazing
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Sheo does that too ppl, I've seen some of the best minds be ripped to shreds by his micro breakdowns, smudging truths, misreading information, and twisting ideas. Its sad really, typically when ppl use facts that can't be ignored he starts the name calling, on here he has been surprisingly passive
It's because on OMF they have the biggest Boa Hancock fanbase that can't even accept Zoro can get help from Perona, because they suspect that some random unknown character is going to show up with a BOAT, etc. to save the day.
Perona = not even further explained.
However, when Boa Hancock is dealt with the whole situation, to them, she could very well be on Raftel and she'd still be able to join the crew before they get to FI in their sense… Heck, some of the people there just want AL to die so that she can join.
How on Earth can someone hold their sanity through that?
@dirt:
http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=3121299&postcount=7
be enlightened
It's not finished…
Well, some of the stuff here has been pretty incredible. I'm impressed if you've seen it all, though, as he's been at it for hundreds of pages by now.
We've figured out how to deal with him, for the most part. It's impossible to stick to a broad topic, since he's totally incapable. It's best to just find errors in his "facts" that have undeniable proof against them, and point them out. It's possible to totally corner him and get him to admit defeat (we've done it 3 or 4 times now, all recently). All he really cares about are semantics, so it's not worth debating with him unless you focus totally on that aspect. Any larger purpose is always totally ignored.
He also really hates if you make funny pictures.
I've heard all the arguments from here before, so I've had like 80+ worth of threads to deal with this ongoing debate of "Hancock this and Hancock that…"
So, as long as it isn't Hancock, I'll be happy to discuss over.
But, if you want to admit how difficult it is to find errors in my theories, please do… Cause I feel that's obvious.
@The:
Neither can you…
Thank goodness your back.
Oh yeah, but I can make as perfect on paper… [which is only awaiting Oda's helping hand]
The boss character statement.
Guys.
We simply do not know what he meant by the statement.
As far as we know, he has fulfilled that promise.
I think it was somewhere between the point TONS of former villains joining his side and Oda's color spread of them getting plastered together.
Oda could have meant someone will literally join or he could mean that they will connect with Luffy and/or the crew on a deep level.
Bentham has EASILY done that.
Did I mention that I do love your work and I would like you to tell this one guy in here called "tupac's ghost" that the whole quote between Oda and Luffy's VA about Usopp being closest to "human" as opposed to the rest known as "superhuman" isn't something that someone can use to even remotely eliminate a character named "Perona" …
If you want, I can just post the whole write-up I made for it, which is based off of your translation, and it's in standard form without any future interpretation off of personal bias.
過去のボスキャラを仲間にして新世界へ…
"…make a boss character from the past into a crew member and head to the New World..."
Nothing about them actually going 'together'. In this sense it could end the same as with Vivi.
It's, as usual, a vague as shit statement that he no doubt intended to be as such.
Is it also true that you got it from other people's blogs, but never officially heard this statement?
Ahhh, those tricky little things I didn't catch last time. Thanks.
See, semantics work…
TheFallen
! @TheFallen:
! > So your whole arguement for perona is based on a speculation that perona will leave the island with zoro, continues to travel with zoro, meets luffy, and then does something to get him to like her?
! No. The first part (bold) is true… the rest is already done by...
I do encourage you to prove the bold as "false" if you are able to... Obviously, you'd kill my whole entire argument from the ground up.
! > I honestly dont see how perona could compare with Boa Hancock
Theres vertically nothing to support your speculation except more speculations
! No, there are FACTS to support my speculation for Perona, however, for Hancock, there's nothing but "love sickness" and "her treaty is no longer in existence" to support that Boa Hancock would even jump and change sides, when the obvious is pinning towards her remaining an ally… And those are speculations made upon speculations [LS can kill and is fatal, even though you can state it isn't. Hancock won't be able to board their ship, since she's their enemy.] as is the whole Boa Hancock future that she's BOUND to find them, even though she has no idea where to find them…
! Here's the facts:
! * Each and every time Zoro is lost, Oda foreshadows prior to him being lost:
* In this situation, Zoro has said that he knew how to use the vivre card, so that means that he won't know how to by means of Oda's foreshadowing . Recap: Zoro can't use the Vivre Card [only way for him to regroup with crew].
* Perona can. She's shown being able to track a light towards a single direction, so she can manage that… As well as a little other situation with her knowing layouts and basic directions.
* The second is the proof that Zoro is lost, Oda has Zoro state something, illustrates him being lost, or something else to show this.
* In this sense, he is lost and wandering around, and his chapter title is his typical cocky "I'm not lost attitude" but he is lost…
* When that happens, Zoro is always offered help by Oda's writing, meaning he has another character help him out… In this sense, it's Perona who is confirmed to be able to do everything.
_* Thousand Sunny is docked on SA. Each crew has a Vivre Card to find Rayleigh and he said he will be somewhere on SA.* Perona has helped heal Zoro who was close to death.* Perona will have helped Zoro return to SA.* _Luffy and crew will be on SA.__So, I've got it done to probable manga plot sequence form, something that is based off of manga events and such, unlike the argument that you present, which isn't.Big difference. Mine is _stronger_ than yours because I don't disobey any claim that Oda created since my character has no "hidden" romantic meaning, nor does it seem to go against manga themes and canon plot facts. If I add my speculation that would aim towards her "being" a crew member, then my argument would become stronger as a whole, but less likely to be true/ canon… Because those are speculations that barely have any support, other than "events" and random stuff... > Luffy already like boa > She currently is with luffy > The thousand sunny is on the same location as both luffy and boa Yes, but it's not that she's able to head there… If she can't go there with him, she's never going to join. Since he seems to have passed out on the last chapter, it's probably unlikely for her to join at all... Big difference between my argument and yours. > All these things that you're hoping perona would accomplish, Boa Hancock already has Yet, you haven't proven anything about her having to head to the ship, nor have you shown how she would get there and there is no manga support that obeys standards to help your claim. Again, mine is stronger… > being with luffy and not wanting to risk her freedom , will leave with luffy luffy because its in her > If she stays, shel'll endanger herself and get arrested for treason when the word reaches sengoku Those aren't the same as my arguments… Mine are a 50% situation, heck, they are beyond that... Yours lack that support that mine have, you can't claim "foreshadowing" since you've got nothing to help your claim, unlike me. @SMUDGE, I'll answer that stuff in a separate post…__
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Ahhh, those tricky little things I didn't catch last time. Thanks.
Ah, I see what you're doing! It's like fishing, give himsome slack, then PULL!!!
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The Fallen
! @TheFallen:
! > I heard of this sheonite.He looses almost every arguement and thinks he's winning
Though occasionly he makes good point and provides overlly long postsIf it wasnt for this he'd be an outcast
I was reading this
http://forum.onemanga.com:80/showthread.php?p=3251166#post3251166
alexmedvek really made a great point about sheonite's argument style
…......forum.one manga is pretty intresting.
The individual named alexmedvec shares my arguments.He basically hits my points.
the next nakama thread reached part 102 there..........thats pretty amazing
No offense, but I've already beat you with my argument [previous post]… You can't beat the response I gave you because of the difference in characters "Perona against Hancock" makes it impossible for Hancock to win.
I know about OMF, I've been through that whole site since before 20... Probably the biggest bunch of Hancock fans in the world, they can't listen to anything.
If I lost arguments there, that is because I ultimately lose it when I have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again just to get them to read it-- but then they basically lose track and just state a baseless thing.
It's very difficult to argue in a passive tone on there, at least for me.
On here, I don't have any problem, it's quite serene here... So, I probably won't lose on here in any time soon.
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It's because on OMF they have the biggest Boa Hancock fanbase that can't even accept Zoro can get help from Perona, because they suspect that some random unknown character is going to show up with a BOAT, etc. to save the day.
Perona = not even further explained.
However, when Boa Hancock is dealt with the whole situation, to them, she could very well be on Raftel and she'd still be able to join the crew before they get to FI in their sense… Heck, some of the people there just want AL to die so that she can join.
How on Earth can someone hold their sanity through that?
The key to getting rid of AGOG on apforum my fellow posters.
I wasn't aware this forum's love sickness for Hancock wasn't up to par to OMF.
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Lets start the Boa's breast love-fest!!!
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
The key to getting rid of AGOG apforum posters.
I wasn't aware this forum's love sickness for Hancock wasn't up to par to OMF.
Try it there… You'll be amazed... I dare you to post that Boa Hancock will join because of Love Sickness... In a matter of days, there will be like 100 people agreeing with you.
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Horrible nakama, Lawrence, they're all horrible nakama.
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Try it there… You'll be amazed... I dare you to post that Boa Hancock will join because of Love Sickness... In a matter of days, there will be like 100 people agreeing with you.
I left OMF for completely different reasons and although I don't care for Hancock fanatics the way you talk about them only sounds like you're describing yourself on here.
Maybe you should join Naruto forums and post in the OP section. They'll definitely open you with open arms.
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LMAO.
I thought Boa's chances were going to end once luffy got onto that boat and she wasn't w/ him, but luckily Luffy hasn't gotten onto the boat, Jimbei, Vista, and Marco are fighting Akainu…only 1 left to grab Luffy is...... Hancock herself. And her love sickness basically stands for she will die from not being w/ Luffy, so that gives her a reason to stick w/ him as well as she is stronger than Ussop and wouldn't get owned by a balloon -
Ah, I see what you're doing! It's like fishing, give himsome slack, then PULL!!!
The setup is easy, it's actually sitting down and reading the posts which becomes a challenge.
But, if you want to admit how difficult it is to find errors in my theories, please do… Cause I feel that's obvious.
It's not as tough as you think.
Oh yeah, but I can make as perfect on paper… [which is only awaiting Oda's helping hand]
[…]
If you want, I can just post the whole write-up I made for it, which is based off of your translation, and it's in standard form without any future interpretation off of personal bias.
Absolutely priceless.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
The key to getting rid of AGOG on apforum my fellow posters.
I wasn't aware this forum's love sickness for Hancock wasn't up to par to OMF.
Ohhh, I didn't realize it was going to be that easy. Hancock's eyes and lips just resonate "crew member". Anyone who doesn't see that is nuts.
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Urouge you forgot Cup size, must be DD or bigger to join the SHs, sadly Franky's pecs are bigger than Perona's breasts….tough break AGOG
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Hancock's boobs clearly show us that she will join the crew.
Just look at those sweater cows.
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And the butt… and the suggestive snake...:wub:
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It's more like H-cup and up.
Luffy knows - he saw.
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Hancock's boobs clearly show us that she will join the crew.
Just look at those sweater cows.
Agreed.
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I agree w/ Retardia's signature for the NNs
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I agree w/ Retardia's signature for the NNs
Hehe.
I make this sig for the sake of this thread.Credit to the artist of individual pict. :)
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All I see is something blue and tits.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
All I see is something blue and tits.
What i see is merely blob and "blob".