If it came down to Perona vs. Hancock, I'd say Hancock is the much more obvious choice. For starters, she is more attractive…
Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)
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So, I thank you for trying, and failing, but please don't keep on following in the shadow of Tupac's Ghost, the guy who has yet to offer any counter at all.
When you can read what I write and understand it, then come talk to me…
You really WANT to prove Perona will join don't you? Why is that? I mean if it was me facing this sort of reaction I would've given up by now…
You... AMAZE me (Jerry McGuire Style)
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If it came down to Perona vs. Hancock, I'd say Hancock is the much more obvious choice. For starters, she is more attractive…
Ah Brennen.exe I really really wanted to argue with you a while back but sadly you missed my post, well someday I will be your nemesis mark my word!!
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If it came down to Perona vs. Hancock, I'd say Hancock is the much more obvious choice. For starters, she is more attractive…
I get what you are doing here… You're funny!!
(Could I ask you for a serious answer, concerning these two..?)
You really WANT to prove Perona will join don't you? Why is that? I mean if it was me facing this sort of reaction I would've given up by now…
You... AMAZE me (Jerry McGuire Style)
It's not that I want to prove her joining, or that I want her to join… It's just that I want to prove that she has the best chance at joining.
It's because the Next Nakama thing is a fun debate, and it can be either easy or hard... Of course, in my humble opinion, and with stated reasons why, I feel that for Perona to be a part of the crew over any other character, that thing is a given.
I don't care about their reactions, it doesn't bother me when they don't offer a counter towards what I actually type... It's just boasting that my thing is correct and they cannot find something that proves it wrong.
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Could I ask you for a serious answer, concerning these two..?
Seriously, Hancock is much more attractive…
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It's true. Oda even tells us that Hancock is more attractive.
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I get what you are doing here… You're funny!!
(Could I ask you for a serious answer, concerning these two..?)
It's not that I want to prove her joining, or that I want her to join... It's just that I want to prove that she has the best chance at joining.
It's because the Next Nakama thing is a fun debate, and it can be either easy or hard... Of course, in my humble opinion, and with stated reasons why, I feel that for Perona to be a part of the crew over any other character, that thing is a given.
I don't care about their reactions, it doesn't bother me when they don't offer a counter towards what I actually type… It's just boasting that my thing is correct and they cannot find something that proves it wrong.
Well thats one of looking at it… another would be by majority poll, you lose... and we do live in the world of democracy.
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Alright, I want to ask this:
For which of the two, Perona and Hancock, will it be easier to basically return to the ship and head towards the next "event/location"?
Situation:
Hancock is on Marineford.
Perona is on an island with Zoro.P.S.: include the known situations and stuff concerning them…
Well thats one of looking at it… another would be by majority poll, you lose... and we do live in the world of democracy.
Well, I haven't heard any reply from the past four guys I was debating with, probably even longer…
So, if you want to go by majority, it seems that majority of them can't answer the stuff neither...
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For which of the two, Perona and Hancock, will it be easier to basically return to the ship and head towards the next "event/location"?
Well if the log pose is really broken, then I would say Hancock, since they will probably go to Amazon Lily before they go to Fishman Island.
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Well if the log pose is really broken, then I would say Hancock, since they will probably go to Amazon Lily before they go to Fishman Island.
So, you agree with the "other direction" and since arguing this as unlikely is off-topic, you'd basically put like ".01%" faith that this is even to happen due to the known information concerning the ship, future course, and then some…
Therefore, even if you don't want to admit it, this makes Boa Hancock have a less-likely chance to return to the ship and be asked to join, than compared to Perona...
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Ok, a different question around here. Forget all the logic, reason, signs, probabilities or imagined patterns for characters joining. Why do you support the X character? What do you find cool about him? What do you wish to see it doing in the crew?
Mine: Hancock.
Why? Because I like strong female characters and her jerkass facade is unique among the Strawhats.
What's Cool about her? Everything. She's strong and independent, she's far from a dansel in distress, and has a incredible potential for a sad past and an impossible dream.
What do I wish to see? Her interacting with the crew, supporting Luffy no matter how dumbass he is, being jealous of the other girls, turning Sanji and Brook into stone, kicking Chopper around and scaring Usopp all the time. Probably she'd get along well (as fine as she can be with men other than Luffy) with Franky and Zoro, thought. Also, her fights would be really cool (and it's about time to see a female character actually kicking ass and taking names).
yep sounds deadly!
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It's not that I want to prove her joining, or that I want her to join… It's just that I want to prove that she has the best chance at joining.
You know proving that is impossible, right?
Oda already knows who's going to join. There are no "chances". Whoever, he chose has 100% chance, all others have 0%. All we do here is pure and simple speculation, based only on taste. All the talk about logic, patterns or signs is pure bullshit. There are no patterns or chances.
Oda's a good writer: he's probably already thrown a lot of clues about the next to join (if anyone's joining, that is…), but he's probably gave us a lot of false clues as well. So, all our "clues", "patterns" or "signs" are probably nothing, just wishful thinking.
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So, you agree with the "other direction" and since arguing this as unlikely is off-topic, you'd basically put like ".01%" faith that this is even to happen due to the known information concerning the ship, future course, and then some…
Therefore, even if you don't want to admit it, this makes Boa Hancock have a less-likely chance to return to the ship and be asked to join, than compared to Perona...
It's neat how you just totally changed his opinion for him.
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I'm sorry, did I type too much for your brain to even compute? It's pretty obvious you missed everything going on…
Furthermore, that post isn't for you... Check the name next time, please.
! 1. This is me emphasizing my point. It's just a thing that SMUDGE read wrong, so I tried again to explain it.
- This is me telling him that "training" isn't likely, and Perona is likely to be the plot device. Learn how to read, dipshit.
- This is "fact" and you can go and look this up, Oda foreshadows this way, and believe it or not, it's as correct as stating One Piece's title. Try to prove this wrong, I don't you could…
- No, dipshit. It's just telling him to read the previous one, 3, and he'll be able to get my point.
- No, dipshit… learn how to count. It says that a trend is "incorrect"
- Once again, wrong… It's just taking Robin and Nami into a generalized form and showing the similarities in plot between the two and then applying it to Perona's probable future... But you're an idiot that can't read, so no point in helping you...
- False… It's applying the gags into his pattern, which isn't "gags" its what the author wants to include, even if you may or may not agree, it's correct.
- Because the other dude's trend is something I don't agree with, and this point exactly… The reason why I included it was because the person says every character has it... I'm correct.
- It's not "better" dipshit, it's "possible" since we don't know the next position… Thanks though for trying...
- She can have one… That's all I said, smart stuff...
- You're a moron… What is her definition of "fun" then? Furthermore, why don't you translate the quote many times, then tell me which is proper... In case you weren't aware, I included the entire quote in every variant and then said "based upon this, we don't know..." and that's it.
- I'm not failing, I'm actually "passing" and unlike you, I'm not putting up pathetic comments…
- You're supposed to freaking know how to read, I'm giving him a situation, as an "answer" to what he was asking for… It's on there, learn how to argue, and thanks for trying yet again...
- Well, smart stuff, did Nami state "I'm going to make a map of the world!!" prior to Arlong Park, eh? No, dipshit. She didn't and her dream/ ambition was "get 100 million beli to buy an island" until she changed it LATER… Keep thinking like you're smart, but the fact is that you can't read shit.
- Once again, I used the word "can" to show that she "can" have this… Think about it, please, your stupidity is KILLING me here...
So, I thank you for trying, and failing, but please don't keep on following in the shadow of Tupac's Ghost, the guy who has yet to offer any counter at all.
When you can read what I write and understand it, then come talk to me…
Its amazing how even none of this changes the summary I've written in the least . But the size of the text has atleast reduced… a bit.
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You know proving that is impossible, right?
Oda already knows who's going to join. There are no "chances". Whoever, he chose has 100% chance, all others have 0%. All we do here is pure and simple speculation, based only on taste. All the talk about logic, patterns or signs is pure bullshit. There are no patterns or chances.
Oda's a good writer: he's probably already thrown a lot of clues about the next to join (if anyone's joining, that is…), but he's probably gave us a lot of false clues as well. So, all our "clues", "patterns" or "signs" are probably nothing, just wishful thinking.
It's not that…
Yes, Oda has it in mind already, and we are basically without any clue... BUT Oda always hints it in some simple manner, so we can be aware of things. The problem is how the future brings things, so as long as you can have a "way" to predict that the future screams even with an ounce of "nakama" and such, you can basically PREDICT Oda's story telling, and then in the process predict the character that joins.
That's all, and in this sense, I am extremely confident that Perona is clearly able to have the "highest chance" when dealing with that.
I don't even do opinions either, I rarely even translate or define what I assume of things, so I just basically try to explain HOW Perona can make it to the ship, over the others.
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What are u guys arguing about…. Perona?, Hancock, jimbei. Every1 could join.
Hancock is the only character in this arc, that weve got a lot of information about (Like SH crewmember like Information). So it's stupid if all that information is only like a ''filler'' coz oda couldnt think of a better way to get luffy in to ID. Oda has to do somthing with all the info about Boa, SO CrewMember or Future plot.
Jimbei lost Ace, and will lose WB in this arc. Both those characters shown Fate in Luffy, Maybe it's Jimbei's DREAM, to help luffy with everything after this arc.
Mr 3., Well Luffy Helped him escape PLUS they have got some Interesting Combo's. Perhaps in Order Of Mr 2's Wish OR sumthing and he got quite an Interesting DF ability.
Mr 2., HE IS ACTUALLY SAVED BY BB, And will join luffy's crew sinds he helped luffy out like a Gazillion times.
Perona., For bringing Zoro back. (i dont know HOW stupid zoro would be if he doesnt go to the direction that the virve card is showing him to go). Or maybe she likes zoro (hes a demon afterall) or Whatever.
Ivankov., Maybe He/she is going to help luffy, He helped luffy out many times so Luffy wants him/her to be his nakama.
I would prefer that Luffy's Crew is Complete if they would go to the NW,.. Coz its the New World, and it should be Sailed by a Complete crew, Not like an HAlf crew. i mean 11 Is a great number to sail the NW.
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You know proving that is impossible, right?
Oda already knows who's going to join. There are no "chances". Whoever, he chose has 100% chance, all others have 0%. All we do here is pure and simple speculation, based only on taste. All the talk about logic, patterns or signs is pure bullshit. There are no patterns or chances.
Oda's a good writer: he's probably already thrown a lot of clues about the next to join (if anyone's joining, that is…), but he's probably gave us a lot of false clues as well. So, all our "clues", "patterns" or "signs" are probably nothing, just wishful thinking.
Now thats just unfair, chances exist from an outside spectators point of view. I mean if we go by that logic then the word chance should be excluded from the dictionary since God already knows whats going to happen and that gets 100% probability…
Well, I haven't heard any reply from the past four guys I was debating with, probably even longer…
So, if you want to go by majority, it seems that majority of them can't answer the stuff neither...
Huh!? Okay then…
…Mr 2., HE IS ACTUALLY SAVED BY BB, And will join luffy's crew sinds he helped luffy out like a Gazillion times...
Wasn't there a spoiler somewhere in that sentence or is the new chapter out??
P.S. Why is Brennen.exe ignoring me??
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It's neat how you just totally changed his opinion for him.
No, I reversed it since he set a condition and if that condition wasn't applicable, then that character wouldn't be above the other in the question…
I hope you read the first part:
"So, you agree with the "other direction"..."You don't need to have an IQ of an owl to figure this, if the answer he said may not be "true" at all, then the opposite character, without any condition, is the better choice, according to how it was written-- his sentence/ reply.
Its amazing how even none of this changes the summary I've written in the least . But the size of the text has atleast reduced… a bit.
So, you want to argue with me? Or do you just wanna keep on looking like a guy that cannot read?
What are u guys arguing about…. Perona?, Hancock, jimbei. Every1 could join.
It's not that "someone can't join", it's that someone else has an easier/ greater chance to join and the other people don't have as good of a chance to join…
For instance, Perona isn't important to the plot at all... If she joins or doesn't, she's not going to set an off-balance of crazy things to come... If she joins, she's just going to be on that ship and the world will go on without any hint of doubt.
For guys like Hancock and Jinbei and so on, there are problems... If Hancock joins, there's a lot of stuff concerning islands and how and so on.
If Jinbei joins, he has to go through a lot of stuff too, especially "living on" and such.
But, for Perona, there's just nothing that she's attached to at the moment, and adding her is just a simple process of getting her to head towards the crew and then ask to join or be asked to join... Nothing fancy.
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Ok, a different question around here. Forget all the logic, reason, signs, probabilities or imagined patterns for characters joining. Why do you support the X character? What do you find cool about him? What do you wish to see it doing in the crew?
Mine: Hancock.
Why? Because I like strong female characters and her jerkass facade is unique among the Strawhats.
What's Cool about her? Everything. She's strong and independent, she's far from a dansel in distress, and has a incredible potential for a sad past and an impossible dream.
What do I wish to see? Her interacting with the crew, supporting Luffy no matter how dumbass he is, being jealous of the other girls, turning Sanji and Brook into stone, kicking Chopper around and scaring Usopp all the time. Probably she'd get along well (as fine as she can be with men other than Luffy) with Franky and Zoro, thought. Also, her fights would be really cool (and it's about time to see a female character actually kicking ass and taking names).
Mine: Marguerite.
Why? She is sooo pretty. It was pretty much love at first sight for me.
What's Cool about her? Innocence and honesty. Such a pleasant change from the regular women we see in One Piece.
What do I wish to see? Her teaching Haki to Luffy and others. Discovering the differences between men and women during the adventures. Being always curious about Kintama! Using her snake as a bow (seriously, we need bows in One Piece. I love bows)
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I see. Much better.
Haha, this goes up there with his admittance to being a hypocrite, pure fanboyism tis a scary motivation.
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I see. Much better.
Haha, this goes up there with his admittance to being a hypocrite, pure fanboyism tis a scary motivation.
Rather than commenting on what I did, why don't you answer the question… And please be serious:
Alright, I want to ask this:
For which of the two, Perona and Hancock, will it be easier to basically return to the ship and head towards the next "event/location"?
Situation:
Hancock is on Marineford.
Perona is on an island with Zoro.P.S.: include the known situations and stuff concerning them…
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My look?
If a Schichibukai would join I put my bet on Jinbei. Hancock has to much on her mind. And I think someone else is going to join:
Marguerite
First of all this reason goes for both Marguerite and Hancock:
- Kuja, meaning Nine Snakes. Could be a hint towards us..
But why her?
- Toonde vroege affectie naar Luffy
Showed an early affection towards Luffy
The first person Luffy meeted on AL
The promise the two made after he left
Her Kintama Jokes fit in crew
Her job could be lookout/scout and maybe imbue haki in for example Ussop his weapons or learn other members to use haki.
Her nature which is "honest" could have nice interaction with Ussop
Plus the fact she isnt overpowerd like for example Perona or Hancock (This is what we've seen).
And before people are going to cry about. SHE HAS NO PAST OR DREAM.
I think it could go like this. The New World and Impel Down Pirates escape from Marine Ford with Whitebeard left behind. Hancock also flees with them, because she also now got targeted b'cause of her betrayal.
SHe can also stay behind
After a time skip of maybe a few months or years we got to known that Amazone Lily is destroyed and there is no sign of Hancock. Or she got captured.
Luffy goes back to Amazone Lily to find Marguerite there and maybe some other survivors… How Amazone Lily got destroyed or how the Amazones where getting slaves. Could be the next story and could be a story which goes further in Fishman Island. Like how the whole Ohara incident was both a story for Robin as for Cutty Flam...So yeah, her past could be the fall of AL
Her dream could be to free the slaves.Oda can do so much. And I am expecting a time skip..
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Rather than commenting on what I did, why don't you answer the question… And please be serious:
Alright, I want to ask this:
For which of the two, Perona and Hancock, will it be easier to basically return to the ship and head towards the next "event/location"?
Situation:
Hancock is on Marineford.
Perona is on an island with Zoro.P.S.: include the known situations and stuff concerning them…
Why are others like Jimbei, Mr.3, Crocodile, Robotic Zombie Ace etc not included in that scenario??
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That's all, and in this sense, I am extremely confident that Perona is clearly able to have the "highest chance" when dealing with that.
I don't even do opinions either, I rarely even translate or define what I assume of things, so I just basically try to explain HOW Perona can make it to the ship, over the others.
You can explain how someone can make it to the ship, of course, but you really can't make it seem more likely than any other character. You also quickly dismiss any possibility for any other character.
For instance, you asked whose chances to reach the Sunny are higher, right?
Well, I answer "Hancock". She loves Luffy and may escape Marineford with him. She don't need to lose her title beforehand; the government may only find her treason much later in the story.
Now, Perona may just help Zoro until they reach civilization, and then betray him or go her own way. There's nothing binding her to Zoro or the crew except her current situation, and she was shown prone to betray her allies . (Also, storywise, since she got a rivalry with Usopp, she could somehow join Buggy's crew of revenging weaklings.)
I could stretch this even farther, and make up reasons for Mr. 3, Ivankov, Inazuma, Buggy, Crocodile or Daz Bones to also escape with Luffy and reach the Sabaody Archipelago where the Sunny is.
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For which of the two, Perona and Hancock, will it be easier to basically return to the ship and head towards the next "event/location"?
Well if the log pose is really broken, then I would say Hancock, since they will probably go to Amazon Lily before they go to Fishman Island.
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Rather than commenting on what I did, why don't you answer the question… And please be serious:
Alright, I want to ask this:
For which of the two, Perona and Hancock, will it be easier to basically return to the ship and head towards the next "event/location"?
Situation:
Hancock is on Marineford.
Perona is on an island with Zoro.P.S.: include the known situations and stuff concerning them…
Jinbei.
Not that answering this will do any good. You're just going to change my opinion to Perona, anyway.
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^Your last few posts have been cracking me up.
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So, you want to argue with me? Or do you just wanna keep on looking like a guy that cannot read?
i dont think its that he cant read its that no one WANTS to read ur annoying perona posts
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Oh, and just a correction:
Situation:
Hancock is on Marineford with Luffy, the captain, who she already helped a lot and is madly in love with.
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In all seriousness Perona is about as likely as Heracles or the sky island guy that Nami is with.
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So, you want to argue with me? Or do you just wanna keep on looking like a guy that cannot read?
I am all for arguments, as long as they make sense. How about this: Give a simple, concise argument about Perona's chances, in less than 200 words, without going off-tangent with needless stuff like definitions of "fun" and "can" and without comparing her chances with others like Jimbei, Hancock.
Do this and I will take you seriously. Remember, 200 words or less.
Rather than commenting on what I did, why don't you answer the question… And please be serious:
Alright, I want to ask this:
For which of the two, Perona and Hancock, will it be easier to basically return to the ship and head towards the next "event/location"?
Situation:
Hancock is on Marineford.
Perona is on an island with Zoro.P.S.: include the known situations and stuff concerning them…
I have told many times before, this doesn't matter at all. If Oda wants someone to join, transportation is the least of the hurdles.
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In all seriousness Perona is about as likely as Heracles or the sky island guy that Nami is with.
Your wrong. Perona has to get her cloths back! Don't "forget" this fact. Basically Oda made it so that Perona is "guarunteed" to be a "nakama" for at least a few arks.
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Why are others like Jimbei, Mr.3, Crocodile, Robotic Zombie Ace etc not included in that scenario??
Because it's not important to include them… Either Perona or Hancock...
You can explain how someone can make it to the ship, of course, but you really can't make it seem more likely than any other character. You also quickly dismiss any possibility for any other character.
Do you disagree with how I predict that Perona will help Zoro according to my many posts about why it's needed for her to guide him and why he is bound to fail?
If so, then the result is easy to notice that without someone, and there's only one person on that island that can do it [known], he won't and should not make it back.
Then, the question is how will she join… It's just a common sense thing taken from how Luffy randomly accepts people that have little interest and end up being amazing in the long run... For instance, due to her helping Zoro, she'd be given a spot to join, right?
If you assume this is false, do you have any reason why?
For instance, you asked whose chances to reach the Sunny are higher, right?
With everything we know currently…
Well, I answer "Hancock". She loves Luffy and may escape Marineford with him. She don't need to lose her title beforehand; the government may only find her treason much later in the story.
You've proven that you don't trust this answer, once again, I don't want that "may" stuff, I want you to explain HOW and ONLY HOW, not may…
I offered a HOW for Perona, I explained it from NOW to FUTURE, do the same for Hancock... That HOW and include her entire situation: her side of the war, why it has to be her, her future, etc.
When you understand that it's not there, then I have won the debate because you will have used an "opinion" without any support, but your own feelings, against a character that has only "one" definitive way to head back or not even leave... See the point?
Now, Perona may just help Zoro until they reach civilization, and then betray him or go her own way. There's nothing binding her to Zoro or the crew except her current situation, and she was shown prone to betray her allies . (Also, storywise, since she got a rivalry with Usopp, she could somehow join Buggy's crew of revenging weaklings.)
Once again, it's not a "may" situation…
Fact: Perona is with Zoro...
Logic: Due to Zoro's foreshadowing of not being able to follow the VIVRE CARD, and due to her being the other known one that can, she is FACT to help guide him.
Truth: From START to FINISH [Rayleigh's location], Perona MUST deliver this.Situation: due to her being in a constant situation, from start to finish, we don't know the details to assume she would do anything except what is constant… Therefore, those "details" are not important since the result is the same.
Opinion: She won't do that because she is lonely... So, to her, anything is better than being alone and following him up to that point is better than the other option... Boarding the ship, is also better than trying to find something that won't be there, by known information.
Result: Regardless of opinion, according to this, Perona has the better chance to follow through and end up there.
I could stretch this even farther, and make up reasons for Mr. 3, Ivankov, Inazuma, Buggy, Crocodile or Daz Bones to also escape with Luffy and reach the Sabaody Archipelago where the Sunny is.
They aren't important…
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Well if the log pose is really broken, then I would say Hancock, since they will probably go to Amazon Lily before they go to Fishman Island.
if this scenario is going to happen i see more chances for Marguerite to join then Hancock.
for Hancock-i know we didn't see anything major regards her powers and what she can do and we can't gauge her strenght yet well,but i think she is stronger then Luffy.
AGOG-do you still belive that Zoro can't fallow a piece of paper that moves and point in a direction,its just you that think Oda foreshadow something from that gag with Chopper. -
No, I reversed it since he set a condition and if that condition wasn't applicable, then that character wouldn't be above the other in the question…
I hope you read the first part:
"So, you agree with the "other direction"..."You don't need to have an IQ of an owl to figure this, if the answer he said may not be "true" at all, then the opposite character, without any condition, is the better choice, according to how it was written-- his sentence/ reply.
So, you want to argue with me? Or do you just wanna keep on looking like a guy that cannot read?
It's not that "someone can't join", it's that someone else has an easier/ greater chance to join and the other people don't have as good of a chance to join...
For instance, Perona isn't important to the plot at all... If she joins or doesn't, she's not going to set an off-balance of crazy things to come... If she joins, she's just going to be on that ship and the world will go on without any hint of doubt.
For guys like Hancock and Jinbei and so on, there are problems... If Hancock joins, there's a lot of stuff concerning islands and how and so on.
If Jinbei joins, he has to go through a lot of stuff too, especially "living on" and such.
But, for Perona, there's just nothing that she's attached to at the moment, and adding her is just a simple process of getting her to head towards the crew and then ask to join or be asked to join... Nothing fancy.
All the crewmembers got Problems in the past, Franky left his family, Sanji his Restaurant. So its always possible for each character to come up with something. Like The island rejecting the Queen (maybe the old hag said something against the island like : that she will die if she doesnt go with that man and the Island doesnt want that to happen) many more options are possible. There is a wide variaty of ppl that i think are willing to join SH crew. Its bold to say that there isnt Any1 going to join after all these Dissapointments (for luffy). I dont see the Crew as ''Just something needed for the plot'' In luffy's eyes i think its also to Share his adventures and have a great time. And yes IF it needs to go in Party style, Mr 2 Or Ivankov are the 1s that could fit in. If it goes in Nakama style, Its Boa/Jimbei/ Mr 2 / MR 3 (for what weve seen so far). If its about ''Fill in the 2 ppl for the 10 man crew'' Its all Plus perona.
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Because it's not important to include them… Either Perona or Hancock...
So to you the biggest rival to Perona's possible membership is Hancock?
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Jinbei.
Not that answering this will do any good. You're just going to change my opinion to Perona, anyway.
Be a sport… You know the only answer is Perona, unless you want to basically ignore what you know and then hope Hancock does it...
Oh, and just a correction:
Doesn't matter… The location is Marineford.
I don't want to misspell the island Perona is on, so I just put it that way...Once again, what's the answer you would pick with all that is included, please do so... You don't need an enormous IQ to select Perona.
In all seriousness Perona is about as likely as Heracles or the sky island guy that Nami is with.
Once again, until you provide facts for all those other characters, you can't expect to have any agreement.
The only character of them that holds any weight is Hercules, but his isn't as important as Zoro's since Usopp can make it there on his own. He just wasn't brave enough prior to that, now he should be…
I am all for arguments, as long as they make sense. How about this: Give a simple, concise argument about Perona's chances, in less than 200 words, without going off-tangent with needless stuff like definitions of "fun" and "can" and without comparing her chances with others like Jimbei, Hancock.
I can't, it's not going to make sense completely with the 200 words since you'll ask "What?!?" due to the simplicity of it…
Here's the attempt though:
--Perona is foreshadowed to follow Zoro.
--Zoro is going to the Thousand Sunny on SA, where Rayleigh is bound to be.
--Luffy will be there eventually.
--Perona is lonely at the moment and has no other place to go [known place].
–Perona has helped heal Zoro, and then some.
--Perona asks or is asked to join, the result would be her accepting due to her situation.That's my argument in RAW form, without much detail.
Do this and I will take you seriously. Remember, 200 words or less.
To prove that this is a strong argument, I need to expand and make it lengthy.
I have told many times before, this doesn't matter at all. If Oda wants someone to join, transportation is the least of the hurdles.
Once again, it's not about "Oda" and such… It's about HOW and WHY Oda is making it like this...
So, it's all about why it would happen and Perona is basically truthful.
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Do you disagree with how I predict that Perona will help Zoro according to my many posts about why it's needed for her to guide him and why he is bound to fail?
If so, then the result is easy to notice that without someone, and there's only one person on that island that can do it [known], he won't and should not make it back.
Then, the question is how will she join… It's just a common sense thing taken from how Luffy randomly accepts people that have little interest and end up being amazing in the long run... For instance, due to her helping Zoro, she'd be given a spot to join, right?
If you assume this is false, do you have any reason why?
I don't assume this is false, because it may happen, but also may not happen. That's the point, your opinions are not "truth", just predictions, and don't hold any greater meaning than the predictions of anyone else.
You've proven that you don't trust this answer, once again, I don't want that "may" stuff, I want you to explain HOW and ONLY HOW, not may…
How? Luffy escapes Marineford. Boa Hancock escapes with him. They travel together, Hancock giving him solace in his darkest hour, after the loss of his brother. Hancock joins without need of being asked to join. End of story.
I offered a HOW for Perona, I explained it from NOW to FUTURE, do the same for Hancock… That HOW and include her entire situation: her side of the war, why it has to be her, her future, etc.
None of those things matter. She already betrayed the government and helped Luffy through the war. Once she's found, she loses her title and will be hunted. As long as she's far from Amazon Lily, the island will be considered at best a minor nuisance by the marines.
When you understand that it's not there, then I have won the debate because you will have used an "opinion" without any support, but your own feelings, against a character that has only "one" definitive way to head back or not even leave… See the point?
You make no sense. You're just babbling predictions and concealing them behind some farfetched "logic".
Once again, it's not a "may" situation…
Fact: Perona is with Zoro...
Logic: Due to Zoro's foreshadowing of not being able to follow the VIVRE CARD, and due to her being the other known one that can, she is FACT to help guide him.
Truth: From START to FINISH [Rayleigh's location], Perona MUST deliver this.Situation: due to her being in a constant situation, from start to finish, we don't know the details to assume she would do anything except what is constant… Therefore, those "details" are not important since the result is the same.
Opinion: She won't do that because she is lonely... So, to her, anything is better than being alone and following him up to that point is better than the other option... Boarding the ship, is also better than trying to find something that won't be there, by known information.
Result: Regardless of opinion, according to this, Perona has the better chance to follow through and end up there.
A thousand bulls for a thousand years could never deliver so much bullshit. While your scenario may come true, it is just one of many possibilities. The bullshit lies in your attempts to make it seem truer and surer than any other predicted scenario in this thread.
I'd love to see you defending Paulie as having the better chance to join than Franky way back, before the story started to show Franky's background.
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If Jinbei joins, he has to go through a lot of stuff too, especially "living on" and such.
This are pointless, Jinbei is an impossible and this is "fact".
To be honest, my Jinbei overview is rather deep… this is like a little sample from the surface. When I type stuff like the really deep stuff, people can't seem to accept it. So, I basically just stress samples from the surface until someone says "true"!! and then I stress another thing until it is confirmed so that people follow along. Then it gets to the deep stuff. In order to really convince you that Jinbei can't join though, this part basically relies on literal reads and judging his character. I can seriously go deep on this, but I will go "step by step" just to basically have people follow along.
Now, the idea that Jinbei is a bad person, I don't agree. He has never "killed" anyone in front of our eyes. He hasn't even been there to basically harm anyone since he was in jail. As well as the idea that his lack of DF doesn't really harm anyone. He basically doesn't seem like he wants to hurt anyone and seems to fear taking someone's life. As he didn't comply with Crocodile. So, if he seems so bent on non-violence, it doesn't suggest he is evil at heart.
BUT, Jimbei is too wide to fit through the doors, given that, it's hard to imagine that Oda would make a mistake that badly in an effort to basically leave a plot hole for Jimbei to join. He'd basically have to cover it up to redo the ship, which seems way too absurd. If he planned for Jimbei to join, he would have made the Sunny bigger or the man able to fit it. So, it throws off him joining... The ship is basically Franky's dream, so basically upgraded it for a bigger one is not feasible. I am so against Oda being that wrong on it.
Yes, I know that Jinbei is not taller, he is "3" Luffy's in width. The doorways are "1 Luffy and 1 Usopp" in width.
Usopp = Luffy just about...
So, 3 ≠ 2 Luffy.
Therefore, since it can only be a "Luffy and a Usopp" that can fit at once through a door according to the manga example, it shows that a "3" Luffy seems like it will break it. Then, "make it all wider" is something that seems so absurd because it's a plot hole and in addition you would have to increase every room for "2" Luffy to "3.1" Luffy... Of course, this has a side effect that Chopper will have a hard time in half form and that'll probably lead to someone dying even... All because Chopper couldn't open a door fast enough. Of course, that is before the problems with the layouts that the sunny already has and all the current stuff seems like Franky is better off to just get a new ship than bother.
Having to increase every door will lead to a completely redone ship.... IN other words, Oda will have to say that he made a plot hole present. So, if Oda wanted a character like Jimbei to join, in order to avoid a plot hole, he might have made the ship fit him or the character fit in. I can go into details why other things suggest he doesn't join, but this one is more "functional". You can just say "true"!! and then I stress another thing until it is confirmed.
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if this scenario is going to happen i see more chances for Marguerite to join then Hancock.
for Hancock-i know we didn't see anything major regards her powers and what she can do and we can't gauge her strenght yet well,but i think she is stronger then Luffy.
AGOG-do you still belive that Zoro can't fallow a piece of paper that moves and point in a direction,its just you that think Oda foreshadow something from that gag with Chopper.Do you actually think that Zoro can?
It's not a gag, it's FORESHADOWING… BIG DIFFERENCE.
Read the whole manga and check EVERY TIME Zoro gets lost for those two clues, see the result and check what happened at this stage in the manga...
The "fact" is that it becomes remarkably true to every situation.
All the crewmembers got Problems in the past, Franky left his family, Sanji his Restaurant. So its always possible for each character to come up with something. Like The island rejecting the Queen (maybe the old hag said something against the island like : that she will die if she doesnt go with that man and the Island doesnt want that to happen) many more options are possible. There is a wide variaty of ppl that i think are willing to join SH crew. Its bold to say that there isnt Any1 going to join after all these Dissapointments (for luffy). I dont see the Crew as ''Just something needed for the plot'' In luffy's eyes i think its also to Share his adventures and have a great time. And yes IF it needs to go in Party style, Mr 2 Or Ivankov are the 1s that could fit in. If it goes in Nakama style, Its Boa/Jimbei/ Mr 2 / MR 3 (for what weve seen so far). If its about ''Fill in the 2 ppl for the 10 man crew'' Its all Plus perona.
Once again, Brook doesn't fit.
You have to take everything into account. Brook joined at that chapter without anything there.
Next chapter, it is basically included.
What I am saying is that YOU don't need any of that in the beginning, any hobo can join. Eventually, Oda will probably supply it.
Therefore, the arguments must be thought over… "Can she get all of that?" and the answer is always yes. Can Hancock get any of that? Yes, but with various conditions and time...
Perona and [other characters] are able to breeze onto the ship and have that stuff handed to them, some aren't.
It's about predicting Oda's story telling, not about what is NOW existent.
@kmohyudin:So to you the biggest rival to Perona's possible membership is Hancock?
No, I don't see her with any chance…
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Once again, until you provide facts for all those other characters, you can't expect to have any agreement.
The only character of them that holds any weight is Hercules, but his isn't as important as Zoro's since Usopp can make it there on his own. He just wasn't brave enough prior to that, now he should be…
Shot in the dark here, but the shadowy figure in Zoro's coverstory could just as easily be the person to guide him.
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Perona is foreshadowed to follow Zoro.
That wasn't her shadow, that was someone else…
Zoro is going to the Thousand Sunny on SA, where Rayleigh is bound to be.
Relevance?
Luffy will be there eventually.
Relevance?
Perona is lonely at the moment and has no other place to go [known place].
Oda said basically "no romance".
Perona has helped heal Zoro, and then some.
Ulterior motive. Servants cannot perform if they are injured.
Perona asks or is asked to join, the result would be her accepting due to her situation.
This never happened.
To prove that this is a strong argument, I need to expand and make it lengthy.
Confusing people is not an argument.
Once again, it's not about "Oda" and such… It's about HOW and WHY Oda is making it like this...
Like the broken log pose?
So, it's all about why it would happen and Perona is basically truthful.
Perona is basically dishonest.
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Be a sport… You know the only answer is Perona, unless you want to basically ignore what you know and then hope Hancock does it...
I'm glad I have you here to tell me what I think.
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Do you actually think that Zoro can?…
Why did you quote me if you didn't have anything to say to me?
@RobbyBevard:
Now, the idea that Jinbei is a bad person, I don't agree. He has never "killed" anyone in front of our eyes. He hasn't even been there to basically harm anyone since he was in jail. As well as the idea that his lack of DF doesn't really harm anyone. He basically doesn't seem like he wants to hurt anyone and seems to fear taking someone's life. As he didn't comply with Crocodile. So, if he seems so bent on non-violence, it doesn't suggest he is evil at heart.
Who thinks Jimbei is a bad person and… why?
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I don't assume this is false, because it may happen, but also may not happen. That's the point, your opinions are not "truth", just predictions, and don't hold any greater meaning than the predictions of anyone else.
Prove it wrong… The chances of it happening are greater than the other idea, correct?
How? Luffy escapes Marineford. Boa Hancock escapes with him. They travel together, Hancock giving him solace in his darkest hour, after the loss of his brother. Hancock joins without need of being asked to join. End of story.
He's passed out, so expand please… Furthermore, do explain the other known situations against her, island and then some.
It doesn't "bend" together and Luffy doesn't need HER, which is the point I'm trying to make.Fact is that he DOES NOT need Hancock, fact is that Zoro NEEDS someone, that's the difference.
None of those things matter. She already betrayed the government and helped Luffy through the war. Once she's found, she loses her title and will be hunted. As long as she's far from Amazon Lily, the island will be considered at best a minor nuisance by the marines.
She did not betray them. She's safe.
Prove to me that she did 100% betray them.
Prove to me that the island won't be toppled.You make no sense. You're just babbling predictions and concealing them behind some farfetched "logic".
Don't get angry at me, prove it to be "false" and offer a counter… Find something.
A thousand bulls for a thousand years could never deliver so much bullshit. While your scenario may come true, it is just one of many possibilities. The bullshit lies in your attempts to make it seem truer and surer than any other predicted scenario in this thread.
Prove it… When you keep calling it BULL, without anything other than "it's a prediction" and such, you are admitting that it WORKS completely.
In other words, you cannot claim it's WRONG.
I'd love to see you defending Paulie as having the better chance to join than Franky way back, before the story started to show Franky's background.
Easy.
Paulie isn't a better shipwright than Iceberg, fact.
Luffy was foreshadowed to have one of equal value as Iceberg. Until you see that character, no other will do… That character was Franky.There's a manga page concerning this and it's made before Paulie even existed as a character. Oda showed 100% that either Iceberg or someone as good as him would be able to join, he did it right then and there.
Shot in the dark here, but the shadowy figure in Zoro's coverstory could just as easily be the person to guide him.
Proof that it even exists… That it can do the job... Something about it?
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I can't, it's not going to make sense completely with the 200 words since you'll ask "What?!?" due to the simplicity of it…
Here's the attempt though:
--Perona is foreshadowed to follow Zoro.
--Zoro is going to the Thousand Sunny on SA, where Rayleigh is bound to be.
--Luffy will be there eventually.
--Perona is lonely at the moment and has no other place to go [known place].
–Perona has helped heal Zoro, and then some.
--Perona asks or is asked to join, the result would be her accepting due to her situation.That's my argument in RAW form, without much detail.
See, thats a perfect argument. Short, concise, to the point. Why do you assume the others need detail? We are not all idiots, you know.
Now for a simple counter: After coming back to SA or wherever with Zoro, why will Perona join Luffy instead of going after Moria since he is still alive? (She doesn't know is not an argument. One Piece has a refined news network, remember). She probably already knows all the places Moria/Absalom and co hang out usually, she just needs to rendezvous with them.
Remember, keep replies less than 200 words, you did great there.
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How Zoro can reach Sabaody without Perona's help:
- By pure luck, Zoro finds a shipyard or a random ship;
- He asks them to carry him to Sabaody;
- They refuse, he beats them til they change their minds;
- They leave him in Sabaody;
- Again, by luck, Zoro stumbles into other returning Strawhats.
Zoro's luck is a constant much more important in the overall story than Perona's fabled help, so this must be true. That's how he ended in the slave auction. That's how he got in the bomb tower in Alabasta. That's how he guided the crew in their initial invasion of Enies Lobby. There's no need for Perona to help him.
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Do you actually think that Zoro can?
yes he can,is a damn piece of paper that moves and points in a direction,i know well that he is bad with direction,if he can't fallow that it means that he is stupid and we know well that he isn't.
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That wasn't her shadow, that was someone else…
Relevance?
Relevance?
Oda said basically "no romance".
Ulterior motive. Servants cannot perform if they are injured.
This never happened.
Confusing people is not an argument.
Like the broken log pose?
Perona is basically dishonest.I laughed…
I'm glad I have you here to tell me what I think.
Then pick one…
@kmohyudin:Why did you quote me if you didn't have anything to say to me?
Mistake. I added what I was going to say.