Knowing that Kuma has a bounty of 296 milions, DoFlaming of 340 milions and that Lucci is more powerful than Cocodrile…
Hoy many berries could have Lucci if he was a pirate?
Power of Lucci compared to the Shichibukai.
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Knowing that Kuma has a bounty of 296 milions, DoFlaming of 340 milions and that Lucci is more powerful than Cocodrile…
Hoy many berries could have Lucci if he was a pirate?
Probably around the 150-200 million beli range.
Remember,they aren't amused over a pirate worth around 100 beli.Still,it depend on what Lucci will do and how it'll pose a threat to the world government.On the contrary,I think he's nothing compare to Doflamingo.
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Knowing that Kuma has a bounty of 296 milions, DoFlaming of 340 milions and that Lucci is more powerful than Cocodrile…
Such false information. Lucci is nothing compared to the Shichibukai, the CP9 are not powerful enough to be a Shichibukai memeber.
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Such false information. Lucci is nothing compared to the Shichibukai, the CP9 are not powerful enough to be a Shichibukai memeber.
I doubt it.
If my memory don´t fail to me Crocodrile had a bounty of 81 milions because he got the "legal pirate license" more early than the others but his power is equivalent to a 160 milions pirate.
I don´t see any problem with Lucci being equaled to Kuma and below to the rest of Shichibukai and Aokiji.
Making DoFlaming and Kuma invencible badass people could ruin the series and their originality, Water7 arc is a surprise since a lot of people were waiting a Blackbeard/Doflamingo/Kuma arc.
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We would need to see what Kuma and the others are capable of, don't you agree? So far we have only Crocodile and Mihawk as basis to judge, and both of them probably could own Lucci (unless Lucci uses water against Crocodile).
But this is not just a matter of strength. Lucci is insanely strong, but he is just a superhuman psychopath. Crocodile was a devilish manipulator with kingdom-domination plans. Mihawk is just one of the strongest fighters in the world (and the best in his field of fighting). If Lucci were a pirate, I could he would still just be a superhuman psycho. Another strong guy can take him.
If Lucci were a Shitibukai, he would be somewhere in the lower tier of the seven. He would be strong and fearsome, but that's it.
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We would need to see what Kuma and the others are capable of, don't you agree? So far we have only Crocodile and Mihawk as basis to judge, and both of them probably could own Lucci (unless Lucci uses water against Crocodile).
But this is not just a matter of strength. Lucci is insanely strong, but he is just a superhuman psychopath. Crocodile was a devilish manipulator with kingdom-domination plans. Mihawk is just one of the strongest fighters in the world (and the best in his field of fighting). If Lucci were a pirate, I could he would still just be a superhuman psycho. Another strong guy can take him.
If Lucci were a Shitibukai, he would be somewhere in the lower tier of the seven. He would be strong and fearsome, but that's it.
I agree with this. The CP9 already work fo rthe governemnt, they are lower than the Shichibukai. Shichibukai is considered one of the "THREE WORLD POWERS." How can a CP9 memeber defeat A Shichibukai memeber. Also lets not forget that the Shichibukai and the Marines are "equal" in power!!
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In one of Oda's SBS's he said that if Crocodile was just a rouge pirate and not a shichibukai, then his bounty would be double what it was currently (Check Stephen's Translations somewhere). Theoretically without Lucci knowing anything about the water aspect of Crocodile, Croc could just dry his ass up and that woud be the end to that. Mihawk could probably slice right through Lucci, in the thinking that he could cut through anything. I don't see how Lucci could stand up to Doflamingo either, if he can control people like some people theorize he can. As the rest of the Shichibukai I'm sure they have their talents as well. But also Lucci still is a badass and if the strawhats can take out these shichibukai later on, then I'm sure Lucci could probably find a way as well.
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answer is rather simple… if the goverment had the power to get rid off the Shichibukai they would've done so in the past instead of granting them special privileges.
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Luffy beat croc by being luffy. There is a huge problem trying to then place vilians against one another. Croc with his fruit is exceptionally difficult to handle and luffy only narrowly survived their first real encounter. It is doubtful anyone without luffy's tallents or just the fact that he is the main character and hero would survive a battle with croc or enel. As powerful as zoans may be they really cant stand up to some of the more powerful logias.
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Yep, zoan types mostly don't stand a chance against logia types. i don't see how a physical-strengthened guy can beat an elemental guy unless he knows his weakness, but the wg/marines are famous for their information intelligence in the OP world so they might probably know a lot of these weaknesses.
Anyway i would rather try to compare Lucci to another physically strong guy instead of logia-guys, like Whitebeard (ABSOLUTELY NO chance), Blackbeard (NO chance) or even Jesus "Champion" ..something.. (no chance) <- my opinion. :happy: -
The way I see it, as powerful as Lucci is, he's actually not that powerful weh ncomapred to a ranged fighter or Shichibuaki member. For example, Luffy is a very strong physical fighter, so he and Lucci can have an even match. Robin on the other hand (>_>) is a strong ranged (or something close to it anyway) fighter; she could defeat Lucci far easier than Luffy could. Therefore I think that it depends on depends on what type of fighter the Shicihbuaki member is.
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its all speculation though, working on the scale of crocodile beating luffy, then being beaten by luffy, then luffy being beaten by Luchi (without the gear technique mind) then argubaly luchi is stronger then croc. (a finger coated in water/blood Shigan would probably be of serious concern to croc)
But sending luchi against the Shichibukai is pointless, there are 7 of them and one of him, he might beat one, but then he will be snuffed.
As other have said there are diffrent forms of strength, luchi has 4000 douriki for lords sake, may i point out that cp9 are an assasination group, thery are supposed to be used agaisnt big hitters they dont do small fry, the strawhats are an exception because of robin imo, although luchi likes the prospect of a fight.
the other big thing is devil fruit power, ok, akoji has ice and just kicks ass in general, but what does the leopard fruit give Luchi, you havent seen its capacities, not that i can remember anyway, against non DF using Shichibukai luchi might pose a serious threat.
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Uh, I think you all underestimate Lucci.
For Luffy to even stand a chance against Lucci, he will need to use Gear 2&3. Gear 2 alone makes him so much stronger, how can you compare Luffy Gear 2, to Luffy from Crocodile fight?
I would say Lucci is in the middle tier of Shichibukai. And may have had a 200-250 bounty had he been an evil pirate.
The main point of the Shichibukai, is to get very powerful, well known and feared pirates to join the Government. And with their name alone, trouble can be solved, since no one wants to mess with them.
Lucci is far to fast for Crocodile to catch. If someone stupid like Luffy can find his weakness, I am sure Lucci can. In fact, Lucci may even know of logia devil fruit weaknesses beforehand. Crocodile also couldn't even scratch Lucci with his hook, because of Tekkai. Truely Lucci is very strong, but he is along with CP9, kept secret. They are the shady organization of the Government, kept secret from the public.
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Lucci is far to fast for Crocodile to catch. If someone stupid like Luffy can find his weakness, I am sure Lucci can. In fact, Lucci may even know of logia devil fruit weaknesses beforehand. Crocodile also couldn't even scratch Lucci with his hook, because of Tekkai. Truely Lucci is very strong, but he is along with CP9, kept secret. They are the shady organization of the Government, kept secret from the public.
And the Shichibukai are one of the three "world Powers"…
so whats your point?
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In most Shonen manga, we have this logic:
Villain 1 < Villain 2 << Villain 3 <<<< Villain 4 <<<<<<<< Villain 5…
And so on.One amazing thing about One Piece is that this is not valid. Crocodile, Eneru and even Foxy are amazing foes. Even after defeating Lucci, I think Luffy would still have trouble defeating them (considering that he never fought them before). And we must never forget Buggy, the first big enemy who will still give Luffy some trouble in the future, or Smoker, who never fought Luffy for real until now and may be far stronger than we may believe.
Now, considering all this, we can't just think that Lucci is stronger because he comes last in the line of villains. He is stronger in martial arts, we may think, but sheer power is not enough. It is hard to say how Lucci would fare as a pirate.
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And the Shichibukai are one of the three "world Powers"…
so whats your point?
So Shichibukai being one of the World Powers makes all of them stronger than Lucci by default?
I guess since Luffy beat a World Power, Lucci is no match for him. Ya know, especially since Luffy has not gotten stronger since Alabasta. Since he didn't get stronger fighting Enel, and Ao Kiji and what not.
CP9 "does not exist" is it's image. It isn't a World Power, because it is meant to be kept hidden and secret. They do things, and don't want to be found out. So they are allowed to even break the laws, and do things underhanded, while being protected by the World Government. Also they have been given permission to use a Buster Call.
One amazing thing about One Piece is that this is not valid. Crocodile, Eneru and even Foxy are amazing foes. Even after defeating Lucci, I think Luffy would still have trouble defeating them (considering that he never fought them before). And we must never forget Buggy, the first big enemy who will still give Luffy some trouble in the future, or Smoker, who never fought Luffy for real until now and may be far stronger than we may believe.
Foxy didn't really seem all that threatening as an enemy. Especially current Luffy, who can use Gear 2. Foxy wouldn't stand a chance, imo.
Crocodile is always a threat, as is any Logia user. Until they find their weakness. If Luffy knew water would make Crocodile unable to turn into sand. Crocodile at this point would be no problem, as Luffy has physically gotten faster and hits much harder.
Eneru…. He is kind of a different story. I think his level of strength is one that can't be measured. Not many people would be capable of beating him, but this villian was actually weak to Luffy's abilities. Gear 2 would possibly make Luffy able to take down Eneru a lot easier, but I think someone like Zoro, will NEVER be able to beat someone like Eneru.
Buggy... You've got to be kidding. He won't pose a threat ever. Luffy can hit so much harder now, than before. And so much faster... Buggy would be 1 shotted. Remember Bellamy? BOOM HEADSHOT.
So I do feel the major villians get stronger. I feel Eneru was stronger than Crocodile, but Foxy was not as strong as Croc. But Lucci I do feel is stronger than Crocodile, and stronger against Luffy than Eneru was. But Eneru was still the stronger person, had he fought anyone else.
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Foxy didn't really seem all that threatening as an enemy. Especially current Luffy, who can use Gear 2. Foxy wouldn't stand a chance, imo.
Buggy… You've got to be kidding. He won't pose a threat ever. Luffy can hit so much harder now, than before. And so much faster... Buggy would be 1 shotted. Remember Bellamy? BOOM HEADSHOT.
Foxy was a cheating weasel who had a fucking awesome DF his only drawback was that he was a moron but he could still pose a threat if they met again.
and as for Buggy when they last fought there were no clear winner betwenn the two of them and Luffy only managed to get rid of him with the help of Nami,
and as hes a re-occuring character whos single mindedly determined to kill Luffy i think its fairly safe to assume that he as much as the other re-occuring character like Tashagi and Smoker are growing stronger to be able to kill/capture the object of their obsession and that when they meet up again it wont just be Luffy and Co that has gone beyond their limits and improved but thats just my take on the whole deal tho…and even if he never gained any strength or skills at all he could just as well pose a threat thru the same way he almost killed Luffy in Logue town so dont count out the clown yet:happy:
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Luuci might be able to defeat Crocodile but I am almost posative he cant beat any of the others, I would be disapointed if Luffy had a fight against a main character and he turned out to be weaker than his previous opponents.
I would give Luuci a bounty of about 160 million.
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So Shichibukai being one of the World Powers makes all of them stronger than Lucci by default?
Well, yeah.
As I've pointed out so many, many times in the past, it makes zero sense for the Shichibukai to even exist if the World Government has more than a handful of people capable of matching them in strength, let alone beating them. Even if they have resources capable of beating the Shichibukai, it's fairly likely that the losses will make it a pyrrhic victory at best.
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Buggy… You've got to be kidding. He won't pose a threat ever. Luffy can hit so much harder now, than before. And so much faster... Buggy would be 1 shotted. Remember Bellamy? BOOM HEADSHOT.
Than wait and see… wait and see!
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Buggy… You've got to be kidding. He won't pose a threat ever. Luffy can hit so much harder now, than before. And so much faster... Buggy would be 1 shotted. Remember Bellamy? BOOM HEADSHOT.
Technically Luffy never really defeated Buggy. He just knocked him down for something like 30 seconds and took advantage of the fact Nami tied up his body parts. Buggy is a guy that strikes me as being incredibly resilient, he got struck by thunder for crying out loud and was up smiling seconds later.
People underestimate him because, well he's a buffoon and doesn't have a high bounty but he's a guy who survived a first trip on Grandline, and I'm sure all that stuff about him and Shanks being on the same boat when they were younger and the fact he met White Beard isn't gratuitous from Oda.
I think we'll see more of the Clown in the future than him being "one shotted" by Luffy.
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Well, yeah.
As I've pointed out so many, many times in the past, it makes zero sense for the Shichibukai to even exist if the World Government has more than a handful of people capable of matching them in strength, let alone beating them. Even if they have resources capable of beating the Shichibukai, it's fairly likely that the losses will make it a pyrrhic victory at best.
I believe that we have seen the 3 weak Shichibukai+Mihawk (he is one of the strongers with Jimbei).
The Navy can control 3 of them, but with the other 4 they can´t and this is why the have a pact with them. The pact if from the Navy to the Shichibukais not from the Shichibukai to the Navy, is the Navy who wins here with the pact.
And about Lucci, I can see him with the same power of Kuma and Kaku and Jyabura with the same power of Cocodrile, remember that the characters need to grow.
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One great thing about OP is, as previously stated, power level hardly ever matters. Just look at Foxy, he had a bounty damn near Kreig's, yet Luffy still had a harder time beating him than maybe even Crocodile. Much of One Piece can be summarized in Foxy's famous line, "A fight and a game are two completely different things!"
What this states is it depends on how you fight your opponent as to how hard they are. Under all the stress of losing Usopp and Robin, Lucci, who may be a pushover otherwise, may pose a major threat to Luffy. Not to mention that claws are bad for Luffy. For all we know, Lucci could be 1/100000000000000th Enel's strength, but it doesn't matter because it's Luffy fighting them, so claws > lightning. It's all how you fight the fight.
Which means, Shishou, yes, Buggy will eventually pose a huge threat. He's Luffy's polar opposite - the only things that hurt him (brute force, fists, etc.) are Luffy's specialty, and his favorite weapons (knives) are Luffy's weakness. Perhaps Buggy never got any stronger since Logue Town, but that doesn't really matter is Luffy is too busy having a billion stab wounds to attack him.
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Lucci is far to fast for Crocodile to catch. If someone stupid like Luffy can find his weakness, I am sure Lucci can. In fact, Lucci may even know of logia devil fruit weaknesses beforehand. Crocodile also couldn't even scratch Lucci with his hook, because of Tekkai. Truely Lucci is very strong, but he is along with CP9, kept secret. They are the shady organization of the Government, kept secret from the public.
Croc doesn't have to scratch him with his hook, he just use his other hand to dry Lucchi up and that'll be the end
afterall the reason Luffy can survive that hand is because he is a rubber
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I guess some of you forgot about that one fanart of Lucci vs. the Logias.
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I believe that we have seen the 3 weak Shichibukai+Mihawk (he is one of the strongers with Jimbei).
The Navy can control 3 of them, but with the other 4 they can´t and this is why the have a pact with them. The pact if from the Navy to the Shichibukais not from the Shichibukai to the Navy, is the Navy who wins here with the pact.
And about Lucci, I can see him with the same power of Kuma and Kaku and Jyabura with the same power of Cocodrile, remember that the characters need to grow.
um who are the 3 weak shicibukai?
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Well from what we've seen I don't see Lucci beating Crocodile. Nor do I see Luffy doing it either unless he plans to bloody himself up again only for Crocodile to expect that and so something about it, though he may very well think up of a way, and who knows maybe with enough brute force he could do some damage even in logia form. But I also don't think that Crocodile actually compares to the stronger Shichibukai members, as it wasn't nearly as shock as you would expect it should be, for example I doubt they'd act as calmy and uncaringly as if someone like Mihawk were beat or a Vice Admiral. Aside from his strength, it seems the more dangerous and shichibukai-worthy aspect of him was his intelligence and strategizing, it's also possible he was one of the earlier members. Then again he could just as easily be somewhere in the middle (yet still obviously far away from someone like Mihawk) if Oda were to decide that without much contradiction. So I doubt Lucci can compare to the rest of the Shichibukai. But I'd probably put his bounty 150 million+.
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In terms of raw power and physical prowess Lucci has Crocodile and Eneru beat. True, Crocodile could simply dehydrate Lucci by simply touching him, but that's assuming Croc could catch a soru/geppou/kami-e using Lucci in the first place. And with Lucci's power, he could probably one hit KO croc with a wet fist or shigan. As for how Lucci would stack up against Eneru - if it's a surprise fight with no planning before hand, then Eneru would probably win. But if there was some sort of planning/strategy being worked out to exploit the opponent's weakness before the actual fight (e.g. Lucci donning a rubber suit into battle), then the fight would be all Lucci, IMO.
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I think the real question is, is Lucci stronger than the rest of the people in his position.
By your guys's logic, Ao Kiji wouldn't stand a chance against Shibi members back when he was a vice admiral, because he was just a vice admiral. My point is that you can't say, "Lucci is just cp9 therefore he's not as strong as more prestigious ranks."
But beyond that, we don't know how cp9 compares rank-wise with the marines, because it's a government post, not a marine one. All we know is that it 'is' high enough up that they are allowed to use the buster call.
As for the shibibukai, the government's motive for letting them roam might not be "we can't beat them." It could be something different, unless they've stated that as the reason.
I think that if Luffy could figure out Crocodile's weakness, so could Lucci. Yes if Lucci fought Crocodile the same way that Luffy did he would lose (so did luffy, three times). Crocodile would find out more about his opponent before charging in in a fit of rage, he would know about moisture screwing crocodile over before the fight began. That's my opinion.
I think Lucci would lose to several of the shibibukai, but my point is that we can't be saying, "This is Lucci's rank and he's not shibibukai therefore he can't beat them."
Shibibukai are former pirates, for all we know if Lucci took that route, he'd be a shibibukai, instead he took a government route because that's his personality.
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You cannot compare Lucchi to Logia users. you cannot compare ANYONE to Logia users, because it seems to me that every Logia has its weakness. however, there might be an exception: smoke. smoke has its weakness, i'm sure, but it would be much harder to exploit that weakness then, say, Crocodile's, Eneru's, or even Aokiji's elemental weaknesses. I think Smoker could own Lucchi since smoke is a very difficult thing to counter. Hina could own Lucchi, too, now that I think about it. what good is Lucchi if he can't even move? and Doflamingo, we are almost positive, has the ability to control minds, or at least people's physical actions. no matter how smart Lucchi might be in combat, how could he stop that? Mihawk's sword, physical prowess, and impossible speed would put Lucchi's Zoan physical abilities to shame. basically, i believe that any Shichibukai without Logia powers could easily take Lucchi out. remember, CP9 is meant to work as a team, an undercover agency. also, their strength is in spying and assassination, not all-out fighting. well, they're obviously very good at that, too, but all-out fighting is the Shichibukai's specialty in contrast.
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As for the shibibukai, the government's motive for letting them roam might not be "we can't beat them." It could be something different, unless they've stated that as the reason.
True that. I don't see why people jump to the conclusion Shichibukai are in some kind of a dominant position towards the WG and the Marine. For all we know the Marine has 4 people matching or even surpassing Shichibukai in power, Sengoku and the 3 Admirals.
There's 3 Shichibukai left, with the amount of soldiers in the Marine it'd be really surprising if you couldn't find people able to defeat them. Smoker for ex, despite being lowly ranked, is on par with Crocodile IMO. Among the Vice-Admirals, there's probably extremely powerful fighters as well. Not to mention the Marine has all these anti-devil fruit powers weapons.
The way I see it, Shichibukais could have been defeated but weren't as important and considered less dangerous as the really big fishes the Marine and WG are after like White Beard, Shanks and Dragon, hence the reason why they made a deal with them instead of wasting time and resources to kill them.
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The way I see it, Shichibukais could have been defeated but weren't as important and considered less dangerous as the really big fishes the Marine and WG are after like White Beard, Shanks and Dragon, hence the reason why they made a deal with them instead of wasting time and resources to kill them.
i totally agree with that.
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me thinks that the Shichibukai who has basicly accepted to be the WGs lapdogs have realized that despite their enormus power they simply couldnt win a long term fight against the unified forces of the World sooner or later they would wear them down and thought that they would rather be with them than against them,
and the WG has probably realized that even though they could beat them it would it would mean huge losses both in resources and manpower for both the WG and the marines resulting in a crippled organization so they decided that it would be better to try and form an "allience" with them…
just my take on the whole thing tho
EDIT damnit aldrich beat me to it XD
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Buggy… You've got to be kidding. He won't pose a threat ever. Luffy can hit so much harder now, than before. And so much faster... Buggy would be 1 shotted. Remember Bellamy? BOOM HEADSHOT.
You're really undercutting Buggy, he's actually pretty insane. Luffy never even beat him, and I think he can hold his own against just about all the characters who are active in the storyline.
He can essentially get back up from anything, and only lost to Nami being tricky. He'll give Luffy a lot of trouble in the future when they fight again.
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I think Buggy is a very strong character, he's comic relief, but he's also very strong. He's not afraid of Shanks (he was even willing to cut up his hat) and he's the closest pirate to killing Luffy yet, another split second and Luffy's head would have been on the floor.
I'm pretty sure Buggy's also the only person who managed to stab Zoro in the back, as well. Which is significant considering Zoro's aversion to be stabbed from behind.
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I believe that we have seen the 3 weak Shichibukai+Mihawk (he is one of the strongers with Jimbei).
For the system to work, the Shichibukai have to be roughly equivalent to each other in strength. Otherwise the World Government would just have the stronger Shichibukai pick off the weaker ones. It's not like they couldn't throw enough money at them to make it worthwhile.
Even then, I'm baffled by the suggestion that Crocodile is the weakest of the seven when that's contradicted by the fact that the World Government gave up on fighting him well before they did Bear or Doflamingo. The bounties given to us by Oda are quite clear on that.
The Navy can control 3 of them, but with the other 4 they can´t and this is why the have a pact with them.
What?
Why should they be able to control half of them, but not the other half?
The pact if from the Navy to the Shichibukais not from the Shichibukai to the Navy, is the Navy who wins here with the pact.
The Shichibukai enjoy almost total autonomy (to the point that nobody expects them to even bother showing up to a meeting called for by the Gorosei themselves), amnesty for their past actions, legal claim to the bounties that they collect, and doesn't have to worry about the Navy anymore. On top of all that, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if some of them didn't collect at least a share of the treasure that their former crews continue to generate.
Of the two Shichibukai that we know had crews, both of those crews continued to act as pirates after their former bosses became Shichibukai. Seeing as how Doflamingo keeps a close eye on his crew and from what we know of the character, I would actually be more surprised if Bellamy wasn't giving him some of his treasure.
In return for all that, the World Government doesn't have to fight them anymore.
The deal between the World Government and the Shichibukai benefits the former pirates more than it does the World Government.
And about Lucci, I can see him with the same power of Kuma and Kaku and Jyabura with the same power of Cocodrile, remember that the characters need to grow.
Physical power? Possibly. These are people that have trained all of their lives to increase their physical prowess.
But I just don't buy the notion that any of these people would do more than annoy a Shichibukai. One of the strongest military assets the World Government possesses is a Buster Call task force and from what we've seen of it, Mihawk could easily sink the whole fleet.
Complicating things since 2009.
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If Lucchi were to fight crocodile in his environment, he'll lose hands down. Croc's will just summon that huge sandstorm and go for overkill. The reason why Luffy survives, beside him being the main character is that Crocodile underestimate him, three times. Only during the final battle did he became serious, but by then Luffy knows his weakness. If Crocodile met Lucchi he will not make the same mistake, because one look at Lucchi and you know this guy is bad-ass.
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One of the strongest military assets the World Government possesses is a Buster Call task force and from what we've seen of it, Mihawk could easily sink the whole fleet.
i dont think he could easily deal with the Buster call i mean true he might be able to easily sink the boats he did it with kreig so i cant argue with that but id think he would have considerable trouble dealing with the 5 vice-admirals at once i mean even thought that probably no one of them is his equal but alltogheter thats another story….
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For the system to work, the Shichibukai have to be roughly equivalent to each other in strength. Otherwise the World Government would just have the stronger Shichibukai pick off the weaker ones. It's not like they couldn't throw enough money at them to make it worthwhile.
False. by saying this you are saying that croc is on par with the likes of Mihawk. There would be no point in introducing the schichbukai so early if they are so close in strengh. I can tll you for a fact there is a huge differance in strengh btween some of the 7. Not to mention we don't know exactly we the government chose to use pirates.
Even then, I'm baffled by the suggestion that Crocodile is the weakest of the seven when that's contradicted by the fact that the World Government gave up on fighting him well before they did Bear or Doflamingo. The bounties given to us by Oda are quite clear on that.
Are you saying that the lower bounty a schichbukai has, the stronger they are? I'm sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever. I have no idea where you got the idea that the WG gave up fighting croc. Because if he was truly that strong his bpunty would be well above 80 million. Also if they did what you are suggesting theey do, then they would have to use the potiental of a pirate to measure them. If that was so they would make a rookie pirate a schichbukai because he would get stronger. Again I don't see where you came up with this idea.
But I just don't buy the notion that any of these people would do more than annoy a Shichibukai. One of the strongest military assets the World Government possesses is a Buster Call task force and from what we've seen of it, Mihawk could easily sink the whole fleet.
**I doubt luuchi would be able to deffeat any schichbukai exept croc if he knew his weakness.
IMO lucchi is on schichbukai lvl, but the currecnt schichbukai are all stronger than hi.**
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i dont think he could easily deal with the Buster call i mean true he might be able to easily sink the boats he did it with kreig so i cant argue with that but id think he would have considerable trouble dealing with the 5 vice-admirals at once i mean even thought that probably no one of them is his equal but alltogheter thats another story….
When you consider the fact the only Buster Call we know of was commanded by Kuzan and Sakazuki, you know that the Marine only send the most powerful Vice-Admirals for this kind of operation. So yes, 5 Vice-Admirals of that level would have little troubles to hand a lonely Shichibukai his ass on a silver plate.
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Yo
When they had their summit in marieyoja (??)
someone said that this was a summit between 2 equal forces,
so 7pirates = 3marines , I m a mathematician so equal means if the 3 admirals fought the shishibukai s (all 7 of them at the same time) it would be a draw
therefore I think that an admiral is already stronger than any of the shishibukai
so now all we have to know is Lucci s level in comparison with the marines
we know that T-bone taisa was weaker than Lucci so …..
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So Shichibukai being one of the World Powers makes all of them stronger than Lucci by default?
Yes it does.
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There are seven Shichibukai. This is probably so that pirates will be forced to compete for the positions, such as Blackbeard IS DOING at the moment. The stronger ones don't take out the weaker ones because then pirates wouldn't want to compete for one of the seven positions. Nor would they do so if there's only three positions and it's damn impossible to get the position.
At least, that's how I take it. That way, it explains why the Shichibukai exist, how they're chosen, why they don't fight them, and everything…
So no, being one doesn't mean you're so totally strong that you're untouchable, though some of them likely are.
And it makes NO SENSE for Crocodile to own Lucci. If that was the case, then how the hell would it even be a good macthup to send Luffy, who now has the Gears and is stronger than before anyway WITHOUT THEM against Lucci?
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And it makes NO SENSE for Crocodile to own Lucci. If that was the case, then how the hell would it even be a good macthup to send Luffy, who now has the Gears and is stronger than before anyway WITHOUT THEM against Lucci?
the bottom line is, Crocodile can own just about ANYBODY… as long as they dont know his weakness. it seems to me Lucchi would be smart enough to figure it out, hopefully before Crocodile turns his body into dust. -_-
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Lucci's forte is to gather intelligence, so it's likely he would be able to defeat Crocodile if the two were ever forced in a matchup. Battling Ener would be a problem because even if Lucci knew Ener's weakness, how would he apply himself to take advantage of that weakness?
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However, aside from Croc and Mihawk, we cannot really compare Lucci to any Shichibukai right now. Lucci could be a match for Mihawk; I dunno, we haven't seen much of either of them yet to really tell.
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Well, the thing is we never saw Lucchi battle any Shichibukai.
But to be fair, If Lucchi fights any Shichibukai it'll be ransom. Lucchi may try to beat Crocodile but if Crocodile is lucky he could dry him up. If Lucchi is covered in blood he may have mid chance to beat Crocodile
If Lucchi shigun his bloody finger on Crocodile, it'll hurt him, if Lucchi soru and tries to shigun his bloody finger on Crocodile's neck, he may kill him but remamber just because Crocodile is a Shichibukai does not mean your untouchbly powerful that no one would kill.
If Lucchi face Eneru, he would have a hard time fighting him. Eneru may be lucky to track him down in Soru, blast Lucchi while he's doing the Kami-E, If Lucchi uses Takki, his body can shatter.
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I'm rather sure that if Lucci fought Crocodile while bloodied up, he'd completely own Crocodile with rankyaku, a normal punch at his strongest, or even with shigan. I say this because it's rather obvious that Lucci's strongest hits are, at the very least, on par with Luffy's strongest hits (sans gear 2 and 3 but probably even on par with those), and well, Luffy's strongest hits were enough to defeat Croc.
I wonder whether tekkai can stop various logia effects, we know it can stop Zoro's blades which can cut through steal, at the least. If tekkai can't, and soru can't 'dodge' them, I don't think Lucci would stand any chance against Eneru whatsoever, unless he wore a rubber suit which would be hilarious.
Though, I do find it hard to believe that the government's top assassin squad (as far as we know anyway) would have no means to defend against and harm logia users, I mean is the world government stupid?
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Buggy will always be a comic relief character for now on. That is simply how it is. His crew is weak. And Buggy although resilient, isn't strong enough to beat Luffy and crew. Or even pose a threat. Luffy's strength and speed, as well as his skills have improved so vastly since Logue Town, there is no comparison. No one improves at the level of the Straw Hats.
Man, you all really underrate Lucci, and the growth of the Strawhats since Alabasta. Crocodile was a good villian, and had a strong devil fruit. But his bounty was still less than 1/3 of Donflamingo's. And bounties tend to be what Oda gives to us to compare strengths of pirates. And high bounties are used, to put fear into other pirates.
You all seem to assume if Lucci fought Crocodile, he wouldn't know his weakness. Lucci is a World Government person. He would know of who Crocodile is, and what his abilities are. If worst came to worse, he could use a Seastone weapon like Smoker does, and use his speed to get Crocodile with it. But I am sure, someone as smart as Lucci and being in the World Government where I am sure they do lots of Devil Fruit research. He would know right when fighting Crocodile, that Sand element's weakness would be water or fire. Either turn sand into mud, or glass.
Luffy didn't even know who Crocodile was when he fought him. He is simply the guy who's ass he needs to kick. Luffy beats Crocodile in the end, when he finally finds a way to hit him, and then it is pretty down hill for Crocodile. The only real threat he posed at that point, was his poison hook.
-Lucci would be TOO FAST to be touched by anything of Crocodiles.
-Lucci could possibly hit Crocodile before Croc could even react fast enough to turn into sand, if Logia users don't automatically do it.
-Lucci can hit harder, much harder, than Luffy could when Luffy beat Crocodile.
-Lucci is smart, unlike Luffy. He would discover Crocodile's weakness much faster, if not know it beforehand.
-Did I mention non of Crocodile's attacks could actually touch Lucci? Who can dodge them all, move to fast to be caught, or even "fly" in the air. And even his poison can't scratch Lucci if it did hit him, with Tekkai?I am not even a Lucci fan. I like Crocodile a lot. But I am not going to be a dumb fanboy, who tries to claim some old villian is superior to the current. And especially not by looking at ranks, which mean very little. The facts are, Lucci is superior in every way, except with the Logia-type resilience and attacks. But once a logia's weakness is found, they are pretty weak.
Ace is a different story. He has always been stronger than Luffy pre-Devil Fruit. Plus he isn't a complete idiot. So even without his Logia DF powers, he would still pose a big threat to someone. Crocodile posed little threat once Luffy actually found a way to hit him. Enel found a way around it, with the Gold, but in the end, Luffy still chased him down and beat him down hardcore.
Once a Logia's weakness is found, they aren't very threatening anymore. Because most Logia users have depended on that power. So saying Logia users > everyone, is very false.
And once again, CP9 in the world's eyes, does NOT exist. So you can't even rank them. They can do whatever they want, because the world denies they exist. They are secretive. Not used to scare anyone, not used to be known. They are given secret missions, and accomplish them without being found out.
As for Shichibukai… Saying they are in that position because the world government or whatever can't defeat them... Where do you get that? Ever think they are in that position because they are so strong, the Government would rather them work for them and be used to help the Government, than let their well known names and awesome strength be left to rot in a cell? That sounds a lot more likely to me. Shichibukai are used for name mostly. People hear the name, and they probably give up. And if needed, an actual Shichibukai will come and finish up the weaklings quickly, as they are in fact very strong. But why would Shichibukai, if unstoppable by the government, even allow themselves to be their "dogs" or leave their crew and life of doing what they want to help the people who have put prices on their heads and chased them for so long?
It doesn't add up. World power or not, I am sure government people are on the level, if not some being stronger than Shichibukai. Look at Ao Kiji.... Robin sure did wet herself when she saw him, but was fine trying to kill Crocodile.
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And it makes NO SENSE for Crocodile to own Lucci. If that was the case, then how the hell would it even be a good macthup to send Luffy, who now has the Gears and is stronger than before anyway WITHOUT THEM against Lucci?
Sure it does. Luffy was losing to Crocodile because he didn't know his water weakness. Lucci would be in the same situation as Luffy without water. The gears wouldn't make a different against Croc, unless the steam from gear2 made him wet or something….
Lucci is a physically strong opponent with strong techniques, and that's why he's a match for Luffy right now. But, he isn't a match for the last two major enemies, Crocodile and Enel, just because they are Logia users. If he knew their weaknesses, they sure, Lucci would beat them, but maybe he wouldn't have that luxury.
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The way I see it, Shichibukais could have been defeated but weren't as important and considered less dangerous as the really big fishes the Marine and WG are after like White Beard, Shanks and Dragon, hence the reason why they made a deal with them instead of wasting time and resources to kill them.
Actually not really. The Shichibukai and the Marines are eaual in power! Also these pirates that are apart of the world Governemnt were great threats so they made deals with them instead of trying to fight against them. Proof of that is now The Shichibukai are one of the "three world powers."
The CP9 is a secret organization they are doing the governments missions yes, but they are not a world power.
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