Chapter 401 "Pirates vs. CP9" Discussion
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I really like Kaku's sword fighting style. Can't wait to see that fight animated.
And Jyabura looks so badass! I've been waiting so long to see him transform into a wolf. I really can't say anymore until I get a translation of the chapter.
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Very nice image Tank, I didn't realize it was photoshopped until you said so and I was like "I don't remember a clear shot of Kaku like that." Well done.
Sabretooth, I understand your thoughts about Zoro being taken down a notch when he only has one sword, but I really think that's acceptable. I don't think Zoro will ever be as good with one sword as he is as three, and I don't think he should be. His specialty is three swords, in the same fashion that you can argue "if you bring him down to one sword" I could argue about another swordsman "If he loses his one sword he becomes much weaker."
If a swordsman loses his sword or swords, he loses fighting ability, I will be heavily disappointed if Zoro doesn't need all three of his swords against stronger opponents later in the manga. Imagine if he fights Mihawk with one sword and wins, it will go against everything we've seen, he is unique in that he uses a three sword technique, with one of the swords being in his mouth.
That said, I do think he will get stronger with just one or two swords as time goes by, he'll just never be as strong as he is with three.
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By the by, anyone else blown out of the water by Usopp's conviction? He's facing a freaking enormous AnM Zoan-type by himself (at the time) and yet he stands his ground to save Robin AND talks smack?
Oda is gooooooooooood!!!
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@omae:
Oda is gooooooooooood!!!
Oda is good? Or Oda is God?
I assume the latter.
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Nah, otherwise I'd capitalize it. ;)
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@omae:
By the by, anyone else blown out of the water by Usopp's conviction? He's facing a freaking enormous AnM Zoan-type by himself (at the time) and yet he stands his ground to save Robin AND talks smack?
Oda is gooooooooooood!!!
Oh omae-sama, please translate more!!
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Chaka didn´t even grow a bit he just transformed.
Sure about that? Check the sequence where he gets his ass handed to him by Crocodile, Chaka's Anubite form appears to be quite a bit larger than Crocodile in that sequence, which I don't think is normally the case.
From Chaka, Funkried, and Dalton, it seems that you're pretty much the same size as the actual animal for the most part in the full animal form. Pell seems to be the major exception to that, but Alabasta might have falcons that big. Chopper is pretty big in full out Zoan mode too, but there are plenty of humans out there in his size range anyway.
Lucci and Jabura are only bigger because they have superhuman bodies thanks to the training they´ve had since they were very young.
Yeah, the size of the body during the Zoan-Base form seem to be affected by training. Chopper demonstrates this with his Rumble Balls.
Some are just going to be natural large though; Pell would probably be pretty big in his Ra form and Funkfried would, or will rather as I can't see Oda passing up this chance, be huge in his Swordphant mode.
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@_Vivi_:
I was like: OMG this is so awesome… (apart from the fact that the hotness of Zoro in those pages almost killed me... anyways )
Oh yes the Zoro hotness almost killed me too. That shirt he's wearing… you can see his chest ALL the time. :biggrin:
But anyways, art. I definitely love this for the art coughs.
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Sure about that? Check the sequence where he gets his ass handed to him by Crocodile, Chaka's Anubite form appears to be quite a bit larger than Crocodile in that sequence, which I don't think is normally the case.
To me it appears to be a perspective thing. That´s actually everything I have to say in defense of this point. :sad:
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Funkfried would, or will rather as I can't see Oda passing up this chance, be huge in his Swordphant mode.
Isn't he already in his swordphant mode at the moment? We've definately seen his full elephant, and his full sword mode wouldn't have any elephantine tendencies, same as humans who eat Zoan type's don't look any differant when they're in human mode.
Therefor wouldn't the sword with tusks, elephant leg gaurds, and the tail hanging from the handle be the half and half mode?
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I was hoping Kaku would get some lame DF power for the comedy, I also like how Oda is using more Zoan type fruits, Jyabura and Luuchi both look awsome.
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To me it appears to be a perspective thing. That´s actually everything I have to say in defense of this point. :sad:
I don't think Crocodile is far enough away from the camera in that shot for it to be an issue of perspective though.
Therefor wouldn't the sword with tusks, elephant leg gaurds, and the tail hanging from the handle be the half and half mode?
Hmm… you're probably right about that actually, which could mean that the sword that we first see him with in the present day may be Funkfried in pure sword mode, which makes this his elesword form.
In fact, you're almost certainly correct considering that that matches what we've seen with Lassoo, which means no swordphant fight with Chopper unless Funkfried
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I really think that the increase of zoan types is awesome as well, I just hope he doesn't use all of the cool animals at once…I really need that colorspread to be fixed up...that thing is going on my wall.
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Hmm… you're probably right about that actually, which could mean that the sword that we first see him with in the present day may be Funkfried in pure sword mode, which makes this his elesword form.
But didn't we see Spandam hold that sword with Funkfried in elephant mode on the background?
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But didn't we see Spandam hold that sword with Funkfried in elephant mode on the background?
Yeah. Sadly enough, I even pointed out that in the thread about Spandam's sword so I don't know why I even thought that.
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I don't think Crocodile is far enough away from the camera in that shot for it to be an issue of perspective though.
Well for me it does. Sometimes things are drawn in a certain one to come better across. For instance the top panel on this page. Going by that image the channels at top of Reverse Mountain are wide enough for Going Merry to pass through, but this means that larger ships like Don Kriegs ship for instance couldn´t pass through which doesn´t make sense actually.
To make a precices pic Goin Merry should have only been a spot on that image but then the whole scene itself doesn´t get across well. That´s why sometimes things are drawn a bit messy. And I think that´s the same for the Crocodile/Chaka pic. I don´t see why Oda couldn´t have drawn bigger then he is in that one panel. He already drew Tyleston once much bigger then he was so I don´t see why it couldn´t be the case with Chaka. After all, on this page he looks normal sized again.
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Hurrah another chapter. Nothing better for de-stressing yourself after an exam (and before another one) than reading a chapter of one of your favorite manga.
For some reason, I'm surprised Kaku is a swordsman. Maybe I missed all the hints from the previous chapters, I really need to re-read Water Seven arc. Also, Kaku is a giraffe. While I'm sure it's been discussed over and over again and that I really don't need to point it out but, yea: Kaku is a giraffe.:closedeyes:
I'll wait to see what he can do before starting to like or not like it.Watching this arc makes me notice how few Zoans DF users I've actually seen in the whole OP world. I mean, were they all so huge? I mean, Jyabura is a friggin' giant! I for one knows that the jackal in ALabasta wasn't so huge. Or maybe it's because Sogeking is sitting and he just "appears" to be gigantic.
Anyways, nice chapter and all. As a Zoro fangirl I'm happy.:wub:
Also: It seems that the chicken is Jyabura's alarm cluck. Get it? cluck Hehe, I crack myself.
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…............lol
A giraffe? Wow Oda, you never stop being unpredictable, do you?
Heh, but I doubt Kaku will seriously fight Zoro like that the for the rest of fight. He'll probably revert back to normal since he's now realized his devil fruit was worthless....
....that is, of course, assuming he's not even stronger in that form. O_o;
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Isn't he already in his swordphant mode at the moment? We've definately seen his full elephant, and his full sword mode wouldn't have any elephantine tendencies, same as humans who eat Zoan type's don't look any differant when they're in human mode.
Therefor wouldn't the sword with tusks, elephant leg gaurds, and the tail hanging from the handle be the half and half mode?
Unless he was an elephantish sword to begin with, then he would be in normal sword form right now.
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What's Up Carly!!?
Kaku is going to have to go back to his human form to fight Zoro. That Zoan Fruit is useless in battle. I doubt he even had enough time to prepare and harnish the powers of this fruit.
Jabura looks like a beast, it was no wonder why he was able to rival Lucci, like a Cat and a Dog.
Well I hope the CP9 wins!!!
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On what do you base your opinion that Kaku's fruit is useless in battle while he actually transformed as soon as he saw that Zoro was giving him troubles, and that he looked confident doing so? I mean, if it was such a weak fruit he would have hided it instead of trying to brag about it.
I agree though about the fact he can't control his powers yet and that it will be his desmise.
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Well I hope the CP9 wins!!!
Not YOU again, Phenomenol…............................
Well, aside from the Troll, let's talk about the chapter.
- Like many said in the <forbidden word="">thread, Giraffe may be a powerful fruit. I think Kaku will take some time (one chapter chapter) to control himself, while Jabura and Zoro fight briefly. Then Kaku and Jabura will gang up on Zoro, and Sogeking will enter the fray to fight Jabura.
Once he understands how to control himself, Kaku will begin to alternate between Human and man-beast form, thus switching speed with the strength of the giraffe fruit.
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Anyone else noticed that Sogeking's mask was broken by Jabura's attack? His left "sunray" has been broken.
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Sogeking was prepared to fight Jabura for Robin! Woot! GO SOGEKING!
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Zoro was not fighting serious against Kaku (neither Kaku was, however). I am waiting for the moment when Zoro will put his bandana and kick some ass. Zoro has given this privilege to T-Bone heads on. The fact that he has not done so to Kaku is because he probably doubts Kaku's abilities so far. Though Zoro was unable to hit Kaku, he did not seemed to be surprised or being overwhelmed, which is a indication that he has a lot more to show. In contrast, Kaku seemed to be happy about everything Zoro showed, as an indication that either he was expecting Zoro to be not so strong or he is just like other Shonen characters who like to fight strong people.
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I'd like to see again the move "Torou Gaishi" that Zoro used to dodge all of Hatchi's six swords on Arlong Park. I miss that move, it was spectacular, it was used only once, and seem perfect for Zoro to use it to pass through all of Kaku's Rankyakus. Please, Oda, use that move again. Everyone must respect a move that can be translated as "going down the river of death"!
I also hope to see some old moves from Zoro, like an improved Oni Giri.
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I was not expecting to see Kaku using swords. His moves with Rankyaku were expected, however. I loved the idea of Kaku fightinh with "four swords", though. He probably uses Rankyaku to simulate the cut of a sword, and tekkai to simulate its hardness. I like how Rokushiki can be so versatile.
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Jabura's form is kickass. I was surprised, because it is a man-wolf without looking like those beefy muscular werewolves of today. Like someone mentioned, he looks like those old cartoon wolves, and he is pretty cool!
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Someone mentioned that next chapter will probably focus on other fighters, just because Zoro's fights are always last. I hope not. This is beginning to be really cool, and I would not want to wait nine to twelve weeks to see the conclusion of this fight. And besides, Zoro's fights are not always the last ones: he got the first fight in both Don Krieg and Arlong arcs. By the same token, the last battle (before Luffy's fight) in Arlong Park was Usopp's.
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I hope next chapter continues with this fight, having some glimpses of what Chopper, Luffy and others are doing.</forbidden>
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- I hope next chapter continues with this fight, having some glimpses of what Chopper, Luffy and others are doing.
Me too, I really want the fight to continue all the way, not like Luffy vs Blueno time when the scene changes to others for a chapter or 2.
I wanna see Usopp's improved hammer, should be a blast besides his "Kabuto" performance.
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thanks for the chapter!
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I hope that Toei does the fight between Kaku and Zoro justice. At least episode 243 quality…
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Interesting thought, though it may have been brought up.
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People have been speculating that if Lucci or the other Zoans encountered Chopper and steal his Rumble Balls, they wouldn't be able to use them because of the odd forms; looking at Kaku, this explanation seems to have some support.
However, if we equate Lucci's mastery over his Zoan fruit to Crocodile's mastery over his Logia, Lucci is in full control of his forms and could actually mix-up features of Leopard and man for even greater effect.
Since Chopper is missing, it's possible he will run into Lucci, Spandam, and Robin first. This seems like a good opportunity for Lucci to steal Chopper's Rumble Balls, because I cannot see Chopper even standing a heartbeat's chance against Lucci without using one.
It will be interesting to watch a Strawhat's greatest weapon in the hands of an opponent (and it's a very dramatic point), much in the same way Luffy was able to use Soru. Dare I say it..."equivalent exchange"?
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What's Up Carly!!?
Uh, the sky ? Don't start shit and you won't get any.
I love giraffes <3 I'm just not sure how the hell Kaku can perform any Rokushiki in this pure animal form. Horse-related animals just… don't have the bone sockets for it. :laugh: Like omae I'd be glad to see Zoro drop the Pound Hou stuff; he needs to go that next step further... Shigan swords. Heh.
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Kaku and zoro's fight is awesome. Hopefully there will be more zoan fruits in the future. I just can't wait until this part of the series becomes animated.
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I wanna see Usopp's improved hammer, should be a blast besides his "Kabuto" performance.
You know, I hadn't even considered it before, but Kabuto may well have been inspired by the Usocho combo that beat the Mr. 4 pair. I'm probably well behind the curve on noticing that.
Of course, I just noticed Ms. Merry Christmas' whole "PI KING" thing earlier today too, which might have had something to do with the Sogeking alias.
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seriously…I want to see how Fukurou and Franky are doing...
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You know, I hadn't even considered it before, but Kabuto may well have been inspired by the Usocho combo that beat the Mr. 4 pair. I'm probably well behind the curve on noticing that.
Of course, I just noticed Ms. Merry Christmas' whole "PI KING" thing earlier today too, which might have had something to do with the Sogeking alias.
Kabuto does look somewhat like Chopper's antlers. I even thought it works the same (wayyyy back, before Robin flashback)
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thanks
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Dunno, if this has been posted yet, but really HQ scan right here:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/grace_huang@sbcglobal.net/album?.dir=/dcc1&.src=ph
Credit goes to jojohot. Btw, it's in Chinese.
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Awesome chapter, liked the fighting between Kaku and Zoro.
Though I'm not too fond of Jyabura's nose when transformed…
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Translated from jojo's Chinese translation, so some terms are bound to be incorrect.
Chapter 401
"Pirates vs CP9"Page 1
Luffy: Fu…! Finally got here.
Luffy: Fu...This up and down staircase.Luffy: It should be this room...but no one's here!!
Luffy: Robin!! Where are you? It's me!!!Luffy: Pigeon guy!!
Luffy: ...Oh yeah! Since they're going there...!!
Luffy: I should go directly to the Gate of Justice and intercept them there!!Page 2
Zoro: You have a key to Robin's shackles, right...hand it over if you don't want to suffer.Kaku: Foolish...
Kaku: At the Gallera Company, I regret not being able to see your true strength.
Kaku: Never imagined that pirates could give chase all the way here...Zoro: I'm quiet a bit stronger than I was then...you'd better watch yourself.
Kaku: I can feel it too,
Kaku: that powerful aura permeating from your body...
Kaku: Almost like a demon's.Page 3
Kaku: Really a strong opponent...
Kaku: Fittingly, I'm the number 1 swordsman within CP9...you shouldn't underestimate me.
Zoro: Two-sword style?Kaku: Rankyaku.
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Kaku: Sorry.
Kaku: Four-sword style.
Zoro: No problem.
Zoro: This means your whole body's a weapon, huh?Page 5
Zoro: 72...
Kaku: Rankyaku...Page 6
Zoro: Angst Wind! (or whatever it's called)
Kaku: White Snow!!!Kaku: Suro
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Kaku: HmmPage 8
Kaku: Hahaha
Kaku: Very fun!
Zoro: I don't have time to play with you.
Kaku: Then you'd better hurry up and defeat me!
Kaku: RankyakuPage 9
Kaku: Chaos! (or whatever it's called)Zoro: Heyaaaaaa
Zoro: Fu...
Zoro: Fu...
Zoro: You're toying with me.
Kaku: No, I really tried.
Kaku: But you're so impatient, then fine...I'll show you my new "ability."
Zoro: Wha-What?!Page 10
Ussop: Isn't this room...Ussop: decorated a bit too extremely...! It's completely different from the outside!
Ussop: Ah, doesn't matter!
Ussop: Right now I just need to get the key to Robin's shackle.Jyabura: huuu
Ussop: It's that key!Page 11
Ussop: Just relax.
Ussop: Grab that key and run!Ussop: If I just reach it, I can win without a fight.
Ussop: Hmm, I'm really the king of luck!
Ussop: Ah!!?Ussop: Rooster!
Ussop: Crap, crap! This thing and quietness are like extreme opposites. Why is it here?!
Ussop: If it opens its mouth, I'm finished, that guy will wake up!
Ussop: If it discovers me, I'll be dead for sure!! No way!!
Ussop: Oi! You better not look at me. Are you going to croak? You don't want to croak.
Ussop: If you're going to croak, you should warn me.
Don Don Don (heart pounding)
Ussop: But it's best for you not to croak.Page 12
Rooster: Chu
Ussop: WHATHE ROOSTERS AREN'T SUPPOSE TO CROAK LIKE THAT!!!Jyabura: Hnn?
Ussop: Ah!
Jyabura: Did you come pirate?
Ussop: Shoo...
Ussop: You're still delirious!!Jyabura: ...Oh well, then letâ€s settle this.
Jyabura: Heyaa!
Ussop: Waaa!Page 13
Jyabura: (hiccup)
Ussop: Too strong...!!!Jyabura: Haha...hahaha..it's you.
Jyabura: You're the one that shot the World Government's flag.
Jyabura: You've got pretty good aim.Ussop: ...!!!
Ussop: Th-th-the first punch he landed after waking up is this powerful...!!
Jyabura: Sorry about that, that was an instinctive punch, are you hurt?
Ussop: ?
Jyabura: But don't you worry...
Ussop: AH!!?Page 14-15
Jyabura: Don't you worry, even though I look scary
Jyabura: I'm actually a nice guy, I won't torture you.
Ussop: Waa ah ah aaahUssop: Ah!
Ussop: A Devil's fruit!
Jyabura: Dog Dog Fruit, Wolf class (or whatever it's called)Jyabura: I'll end it by slitting open your throat.
Jyabura: This way, you won't suffer, am I nice or what?
Ussop: ...!!
Ussop: A wolf...Ussop: Hn!
Ussop: Fu
Ussop: FuUssop: Da-Damn it...!!!
Jyabura: !
Jyabura: What? You want to have a struggle before you die? You don't look the part.
Ussop: Cut the small talk, if you want a fight then fight! I'm here to save Robin!!!Jyabura: Hnn?
Ussop: Wha! The ceiling, wha..?
Ussop: It's gonna collapse!!!Page 16-17
Zoro: Wah!!
Kaku: Wah!! Crap!!
Ussop: Giraffe!!?Kaku: I only wanted to goto beastman form
Kaku: ..but it went all the way!!Ussop: Giraffe! Giraffe! It's talking and it's falling!!
Jyabura: Hahahaha
Jyabura: Kaku, your ability is just too hilarious..!!!Zoro: Wolf!!? What the hell?
Zoro: Is this some type of zoo!!? -
finally the HQ pics yay!!
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Changsho, I've seen your picture before, and I would not be surprised if one of Sogeking's ultimate moves is something like what you have shown.
Edit: Zede05, thanks for the trans! Very good job!
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Wow, thanks, Zede. That was wonderful! =D
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Thanks for the tran that helps a lot… now for some HQ RAWs:unsure:
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Is it just me, or does Kaku look even cooler in HQ? I hope that the Soge and Zoro fights do not end up being faught in the same room though. They deserve their own battle grounds.
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Dunno, if this has been posted yet, but really HQ scan right here:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/grace_huang@sbcglobal.net/album?.dir=/dcc1&.src=ph
Credit goes to jojohot. Btw, it's in Chinese.
Blah, I hate jojohot. They splatter the scans with hundreds of shitty logos and text. Waiting for the real hq raw
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Blah, I hate jojohot. They splatter the scans with hundreds of shitty logos and text. Waiting for the real hq raw
But it's better than nothing, right?
Btw, here's the .zip file for it:
http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3K38QYZ3T7UIG356XI7G0UM5ZZ
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To return to a previous point, I was just watching an episode of One Piece, and I realised that the sword Spandam is holding may not be the half/half form of Funk Freed.
Look at Chopper. Even in his human form, he has some throw back to his reindeer origins in the way of fur, and his blue nose. Precedent is set. Maybe the sword Spandam is holding is the full on sword mode, maybe there will be a giant half sword, half elephant for Chopper to fight after all :unsure:
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Thanks for the original scan BattleFranky,
and thanks for the translation Zede05.Awesome chapter, and like everyone else has said, the giraffe is just too hilarious. :lol:
Speculation about Califa's DF, i'm guessing it'll be paramecia… too many zoans, and don't forget Blueno has a paramecia, and not a zoan, so all the CP9 don't have zoan DFs. I'm hoping for Califa to have a really strong paramecia, that's easy to use, so her fight w/ Sanji is even more interesting... hehe
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Kabuto does look somewhat like Chopper's antlers. I even thought it works the same (wayyyy back, before Robin flashback)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a362/changsho/staffusage.jpgI love the third panel there. :biggrin:
Also, with the heavy zoanage lately, I hereby nominate this song as the official theme of the battle against CP9:
EDIT: Better site here:
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Thanks for the high quality link and trans!
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Ussop: Cut the small talk, if you want a fight then fight! I'm here to save Robin!!!
SUGOI! usopp is such a pimp. I hope he kicks some ass! He didnt even cry sniff so proud of 'im.
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The sword Spandam is seen holding previous was just a normal sword. There's a scene or two where he'd holding it and Funkfried is in his elephant form…