Ethically the Seraphim should be freed and given their humanity back, by the end of the arc or the story. (Maybe even adopted by King as he tries to rebuild the Lunarian people)
Official Egghead Thread
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I hope we go to Elbaf soon, how many chapters to go you think?
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@Shiebs I think we are still ~30 chapters away from Egghead's conclusion, which would mean the arc will be over around September/October. I have no idea If Elbaf comes next nor how many chapters the inter-arc stuff will take.
@Chams-0 said in Official Egghead Thread:
Ethically the Seraphim should be freed and given their humanity back, by the end of the arc or the story. (Maybe even adopted by King as he tries to rebuild the Lunarian people)
I'm unsure of what may happen to the Seraphim. The arc hasn't really treated them like people, and nothing about their freedom was explored so far. Look at how Pacifistas are treated more like robots than people, despite them being pretty much the same thing (the Seraphim to show a bit more personality, but Kuma is a pretty quiet guy, and S-Bear so far has acted just like any Pacifista, so it's hard to say Pacifistas have no personality).
Also, there's the complication that three Seraphim are not even present in Egghead currently...
So, I have no idea of which way Oda will go: pure enemies, children that need saving, or something in-between.
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@Chams-0 said in Official Egghead Thread:
Ethically the Seraphim should be freed and given their humanity back, by the end of the arc or the story. (Maybe even adopted by King as he tries to rebuild the Lunarian people)
I would even go as far as say that them having codenames means they'll get "true names" when they gain their freedom (and in the process maybe deviate from having to reproduce the exact personality of the original person).
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@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
I hope we go to Elbaf soon, how many chapters to go you think?
Kuma fisting Saturn does look like it's leading towards a climax, so I imagine it would be more than 10, maybe 20 chapters before the Straw Hats escape Egghead.
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Just for fun, felt to recap the statuses of various characters:
Doflamingo - at Impel Down
Hancock - figuring out what to do about the Amazon Lily invasions
Teach - just acquired Road Poneglyphs
Shanks - just acquired Road Poneglyphs
Crocodile - just saw Buggy make his One Piece announcement
Law - escaping with Bepo from Blackbeard Pirates
Sakazuki - failed to stop Kuma
Garp - got frozen by Kuzan
Marco - just found out Weevil got caught
Kuma - is about to fist Saturn
Kuzan - froze Garp
Kid - sunk in the sea after getting defeated by Shanks, Dorry, and Brogy
Moria - rescued by Perona
Buggy - announced to pursuit for One Piece
Borsalino - on the ground near Saturn, Bonney, and Kuma
Sabo - gave Mary Geoise report to Dragon
Mihawk - just saw Buggy make his One Piece announcement
Smoker - presumably went to G-14 with Tashigi
Sengoku - just found out Garp went to rescue Koby
Dragon - speculating with Ivankov where Kuma went
Rayleigh - just scared off Blackbeard from Amazon Lily
Lucci - fighting Zoro
Vivi - just found out Luffy is at Egghead
Ivankov - speculating with Dragon where Kuma went
Issho - told by Sakazuki about Big Mom and Kaido's alliance
Tashigi - just left Pirate Island
Bonney - about to witness Kuma fist Saturn
Koby - just left Pirate Island
Pudding - held captive by Blackbeard Pirates
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@electricmastro Bellamy isn't the sort of character Oda leaves to the wayside especially given all of his thematic weight and yet concluded arc unless you think the quiet single panel on Dressrosa was meant to be definitive.
He'll be back with the indestructible flag made from the cloth introduced not too long after the SH flag was seen in tatters at the end of Whole Cake; probably extensively.
I'd also group Cavendish in as a significant and yet seen character outside of the fleet as a collective based on his portrayal and page time in Dressrosa/lingering mysteries, and the fact that if Bartolomeo's been terrorizing a Yonko and Hajrudin was at Ohara/is set to be the future king of the giants, while Leo and Sai are bopping Celestials; then the man who joined the fleet partially as a vehicle for fame (partly) has to have some major gambit going forward- that's all I can think of when I read his conversation with Law in tbe Gear 4th chapter. -
@ArcOfDrawing said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Bellamy isn't the sort of character Oda leaves to the wayside especially given all of his thematic weight and yet concluded arc unless you think the quiet single panel on Dressrosa was meant to be definitive.
He'll be back with the indestructible flag made from the cloth introduced not too long after the SH flag was seen in tatters at the end of Whole Cake; probably extensively.
I'd also group Cavendish in as a significant and yet seen character outside of the fleet as a collective based on his portrayal and page time in Dressrosa/lingering mysteries, and the fact that if Bartolomeo's been terrorizing a Yonko and Hajrudin was at Ohara/is set to be the future king of the giants, while Leo and Sai are bopping Celestials; then the man who joined the fleet partially as a vehicle for fame (partly) has to have some major gambit going forward- that's all I can think of when I read his conversation with Law in tbe Gear 4th chapter.There are quite a number of other characters Oda can bring back soon if he wanted to:
Enel
Bellamy
Bentham
Bege
Jozu
Bartolomeo (and the rest of the Fleet captains)
Urouge
Pekoms
Vista
Karoo
Duval
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@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
@ArcOfDrawing said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Bellamy isn't the sort of character Oda leaves to the wayside especially given all of his thematic weight and yet concluded arc unless you think the quiet single panel on Dressrosa was meant to be definitive.
He'll be back with the indestructible flag made from the cloth introduced not too long after the SH flag was seen in tatters at the end of Whole Cake; probably extensively.
I'd also group Cavendish in as a significant and yet seen character outside of the fleet as a collective based on his portrayal and page time in Dressrosa/lingering mysteries, and the fact that if Bartolomeo's been terrorizing a Yonko and Hajrudin was at Ohara/is set to be the future king of the giants, while Leo and Sai are bopping Celestials; then the man who joined the fleet partially as a vehicle for fame (partly) has to have some major gambit going forward- that's all I can think of when I read his conversation with Law in tbe Gear 4th chapter.There are quite a number of other characters Oda can bring back soon if he wanted to:
Enel
Bellamy
Bentham
Bege
Jozu
Bartolomeo (and the rest of the Fleet captains)
Urouge
Pekoms
Vista
Karoo
Duval
GinI don't see the point of bringing back characters like Bege, Vista, Duval, Jozu and Pekoms
I believe they have served their narrative purpose. The only ones I believe we'll see again are Enel, Bellamy, Carue, Bentham and GinBut Gin will be an endgame character, we'll see him when we lap across the world again. There's no way he's in the new world right now.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
@ArcOfDrawing said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Bellamy isn't the sort of character Oda leaves to the wayside especially given all of his thematic weight and yet concluded arc unless you think the quiet single panel on Dressrosa was meant to be definitive.
He'll be back with the indestructible flag made from the cloth introduced not too long after the SH flag was seen in tatters at the end of Whole Cake; probably extensively.
I'd also group Cavendish in as a significant and yet seen character outside of the fleet as a collective based on his portrayal and page time in Dressrosa/lingering mysteries, and the fact that if Bartolomeo's been terrorizing a Yonko and Hajrudin was at Ohara/is set to be the future king of the giants, while Leo and Sai are bopping Celestials; then the man who joined the fleet partially as a vehicle for fame (partly) has to have some major gambit going forward- that's all I can think of when I read his conversation with Law in tbe Gear 4th chapter.There are quite a number of other characters Oda can bring back soon if he wanted to:
Enel
Bellamy
Bentham
Bege
Jozu
Bartolomeo (and the rest of the Fleet captains)
Urouge
Pekoms
Vista
Karoo
Duval
GinI don't see the point of bringing back characters like Vista
It's interesting, in light of Whitebeard giving the order to the Whitebeard Pirates to support Luffy at Marineford, and Marco and Izou showing up to help him at Wano, it makes me wonder how many of them will end up helping him from here on out.
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Pekoms presumedly getting his eyes gouged while swarmed by Linlin’s army gives some mystery to his dead, alive or maimed status. His turtle fruit never got much showing at all, I was really surprised we barely saw anything of it, that lion turtle deity thing seems like something Oda would want to portray at some point. He was also so passionate about Big Mom’s dream as well, I think if we get closure on Big Mom’s past with the giants and her goals, Pekoms will somehow be there for it.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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@RomanceDawn said in Official Egghead Thread:
Pekoms presumedly getting his eyes gouged while swarmed by Linlin’s army gives some mystery to his dead, alive or maimed status. His turtle fruit never got much showing at all, I was really surprised we barely saw anything of it, that lion turtle deity thing seems like something Oda would want to portray at some point. He was also so passionate about Big Mom’s dream as well, I think if we get closure on Big Mom’s past with the giants and her goals, Pekoms will somehow be there for it.
I get the feeling a lot of Wano plot lines were given a break so that Oda could devote half of Egghead to the Straw Hats and the other half to events going on around the world away from Wano.
I suppose it's possible if Big Mom were to be brought back in order to receive more closure at Elbaf, if Oda has gotten the idea to do so, then Elbaf may be the best time to do it.
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@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
@ArcOfDrawing said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Bellamy isn't the sort of character Oda leaves to the wayside especially given all of his thematic weight and yet concluded arc unless you think the quiet single panel on Dressrosa was meant to be definitive.
He'll be back with the indestructible flag made from the cloth introduced not too long after the SH flag was seen in tatters at the end of Whole Cake; probably extensively.
I'd also group Cavendish in as a significant and yet seen character outside of the fleet as a collective based on his portrayal and page time in Dressrosa/lingering mysteries, and the fact that if Bartolomeo's been terrorizing a Yonko and Hajrudin was at Ohara/is set to be the future king of the giants, while Leo and Sai are bopping Celestials; then the man who joined the fleet partially as a vehicle for fame (partly) has to have some major gambit going forward- that's all I can think of when I read his conversation with Law in tbe Gear 4th chapter.There are quite a number of other characters Oda can bring back soon if he wanted to:
Enel
Bellamy
Bentham
Bege
Jozu
Bartolomeo (and the rest of the Fleet captains)
Urouge
Pekoms
Vista
Karoo
Duval
GinI don't see the point of bringing back characters like Vista
It's interesting, in light of Whitebeard giving the order to the Whitebeard Pirates to support Luffy at Marineford, and Marco and Izou showing up to help him at Wano, it makes me wonder how many of them will end up helping him from here on out.
I think Marco and Izou were enough of a callback to Whitebeard. Plus they all seem to be content to do their own thing.
It could be argued that Marco only got involved cause he was the Vice Captain and he still felt obligated. Obviously Izou got involved cause its is home.
I just think that after the payback war, they all split to go do their own thing. Maybe Vista is now a farmer or something.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
@ArcOfDrawing said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Bellamy isn't the sort of character Oda leaves to the wayside especially given all of his thematic weight and yet concluded arc unless you think the quiet single panel on Dressrosa was meant to be definitive.
He'll be back with the indestructible flag made from the cloth introduced not too long after the SH flag was seen in tatters at the end of Whole Cake; probably extensively.
I'd also group Cavendish in as a significant and yet seen character outside of the fleet as a collective based on his portrayal and page time in Dressrosa/lingering mysteries, and the fact that if Bartolomeo's been terrorizing a Yonko and Hajrudin was at Ohara/is set to be the future king of the giants, while Leo and Sai are bopping Celestials; then the man who joined the fleet partially as a vehicle for fame (partly) has to have some major gambit going forward- that's all I can think of when I read his conversation with Law in tbe Gear 4th chapter.There are quite a number of other characters Oda can bring back soon if he wanted to:
Enel
Bellamy
Bentham
Bege
Jozu
Bartolomeo (and the rest of the Fleet captains)
Urouge
Pekoms
Vista
Karoo
Duval
GinI don't see the point of bringing back characters like Vista
It's interesting, in light of Whitebeard giving the order to the Whitebeard Pirates to support Luffy at Marineford, and Marco and Izou showing up to help him at Wano, it makes me wonder how many of them will end up helping him from here on out.
It could be argued that Marco only got involved cause he was
the Vice Captain and he still felt obligatedpopular in the fandom. Obviously Izou got involved cause its is home.Fixed that for you.
Iono this could be me projecting but can’t help but feel like character roles were expanded/shrunk based on popularity. It’s just something I can’t help but feel/think about when reading the story. Really makes me wish I was more ignorant about how characters are perceived by the fandom or I wasn’t caught up and read it once the story was finished.
Realize it doesn’t completely impact things otherwise popular characters like Yamato and Carrot would be on the crew. But then I think about the latest cover chapter and how Kinemon was left out but Yamato wasn’t…/ranting
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@Gizmo said in Official Egghead Thread:
@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
@ArcOfDrawing said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Bellamy isn't the sort of character Oda leaves to the wayside especially given all of his thematic weight and yet concluded arc unless you think the quiet single panel on Dressrosa was meant to be definitive.
He'll be back with the indestructible flag made from the cloth introduced not too long after the SH flag was seen in tatters at the end of Whole Cake; probably extensively.
I'd also group Cavendish in as a significant and yet seen character outside of the fleet as a collective based on his portrayal and page time in Dressrosa/lingering mysteries, and the fact that if Bartolomeo's been terrorizing a Yonko and Hajrudin was at Ohara/is set to be the future king of the giants, while Leo and Sai are bopping Celestials; then the man who joined the fleet partially as a vehicle for fame (partly) has to have some major gambit going forward- that's all I can think of when I read his conversation with Law in tbe Gear 4th chapter.There are quite a number of other characters Oda can bring back soon if he wanted to:
Enel
Bellamy
Bentham
Bege
Jozu
Bartolomeo (and the rest of the Fleet captains)
Urouge
Pekoms
Vista
Karoo
Duval
GinI don't see the point of bringing back characters like Vista
It's interesting, in light of Whitebeard giving the order to the Whitebeard Pirates to support Luffy at Marineford, and Marco and Izou showing up to help him at Wano, it makes me wonder how many of them will end up helping him from here on out.
It could be argued that Marco only got involved cause he was
the Vice Captain and he still felt obligatedpopular in the fandom. Obviously Izou got involved cause its is home.Fixed that for you.
Iono this could be me projecting but can’t help but feel like character roles were expanded/shrunk based on popularity. It’s just something I can’t help but feel/think about when reading the story. Really makes me wish I was more ignorant about how characters are perceived by the fandom or I wasn’t caught up and read it once the story was finished.
Realize it doesn’t completely impact things otherwise popular characters like Yamato and Carrot would be on the crew. But then I think about the latest cover chapter and how Kinemon was left out but Yamato wasn’t…/ranting
This is was most definitely the reason.
But I was trying to come up with an in-universe reason as to why these 2 were the ones who showed up to help.
The Vice Captain who failed to avenge his Captain, would feel obligated to at the very least adhere to his Captain's last order.
Izou, we already know, it was his home and he was ready to finally do something to help out.
As for the rest of the crew, their really isn't much of an in-universe reason for them to get involved with the SHs. Unless they inexplicably somehow end up on the same island
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@Gizmo said in Official Egghead Thread:
Realize it doesn’t completely impact things otherwise popular characters like Yamato and Carrot would be on the crew. But then I think about the latest cover chapter and how Kinemon was left out but Yamato wasn’t…/ranting
Well Yamato wants to sail out with the crew, while Kinemon didn’t express interest in that, and the treebranch Admiral doesn’t change what Yamato still wants ultimately.
I mentioned this in the crewmate thread, so I’ll keep it brief, but what Yamato really needs is a dream she’s strongly motivated enough to actually sail out and have a satisfied enough sense of finality to it. So I’d say that development of self-discovery is def a core reason Yamato is there now before finally sailing out.
The fact that Oda was willing enough to draw Yamato with the rest of the crew in front of Momo for Year of the Dragon can def support the idea that he hasn’t forgotten what Yamato said she wanted before, in any case. :)
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So what would Moria be doing after this flashback shown during the Egghead arc?
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@electricmastro Moria's potential adventures and motivations are pretty interesting to me. I thought for sure he'd be there to see the downfall of Kaidou, being forever indebted to the Straw Hats. It would seem that after meeting again, Moria would at the very least have some appreciation for Luffy and the gang for indirectly avenging his fallen crew mates.
But what does he want right now? I can't imagine he believes he's still in the running for Pirate King. He certainly didn't try to lose all that weight during the last couple years so his general habits to let others do it are probably the same.
I really like his design and abilities so I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with him.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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@RomanceDawn said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Moria's potential adventures and motivations are pretty interesting to me. I thought for sure he'd be there to see the downfall of Kaidou, being forever indebted to the Straw Hats. It would seem that after meeting again, Moria would at the very least have some appreciation for Luffy and the gang for indirectly avenging his fallen crew mates.
But what does he want right now? I can't imagine he believes he's still in the running for Pirate King. He certainly didn't try to lose all that weight during the last couple years so his general habits to let others do it are probably the same.
I really like his design and abilities so I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with him.
Moria is pretty prideful, so I get the feeling that Kaido's defeat would somehow lessen the sting from his defeat from the Straw Hats.
But now I suppose one goal he'd have would be to defeat Blackbeard, given how his new killed Absalom and Moria reacted very negatively to that, in addition to presumably feeling humiliated from being defeated and jailed before Perona rescued him.
So I'd say what he does next would considerably be related to defeating Blackbeard.
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Random thought of the day:
Luffy getting tired has happened repeatedly in Egghead.
What if Luffy getting so tired in Egghead is because the Iron Giant is powering itself with his stamina while he's in G5? Maybe the robot is leeching off him so it can awaken at some point.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide
Interesting train of thought.
When I look at the chapter in which the robot awakens Luffy just turned into Gear 5 so maybe their is indeed a connection.
But I’m not sure if it drains his stamina. I think this is due to Gear 5 taxing his body too much, like early Gear 2 and Gear 3 did. -
So is Blackbeard going to turn Garp into Cross Guild to get the 3 billion bounty money? I wonder what he’d do with it.
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Who’s coming? The totally scientific and unquestionable chances, by me (warning: may be unscientific and questionable):
- Revolutionaries 0.1%
- Cross Guild 10%
- Shanks 20%
- Marco/Buckin 30%
- Grand Fleet 40%
- Rayleigh and Hancock 60% (My bet)
- Blackbeard Pirates 80%
- Anyone not listed 0.1%
But “most likely” is not always “correct”. Reality and fiction often defy odds.
Revolutionary Army
Putting the Revolutionaries so low may seem strange: they are related to Kuma, they were in the flashback, they are in this arc...
I myself thought they'd come when Egghead started. BUT Dragon, Ivankov and Morley were still in Kamabakka this morning, after the battle started...
Kuma has the fastest traveling ability we know of, and he's taken several hours to reach Egghead since leaving Mary Geoise at some point yesterday. Egghead is days away by ship, and at least hours even if you fly really fast. There's no way the RA could be attacking marine ships
In short, the RA are the one group that the story explicitly forbid from being already near Egghead.
Kid, Law, Big Mom Pirates, Neo MADS, others...
All other not-mentioned candidates fall on the same 0.1%. Law? Kid? They have their own crews to reassemble and don't even have ships right now.
No one that's merely reacting to the news can arrive in time either. The newspaper came out this very morning!
For anyone to arrive now, they'd need to have left for Egghead previously for their own reasons. And the farther they were, the earlier they had to start moving.
Cross Guild
So, Cross Guild... They are surely part of this arc. They are probably mobilizing for something. But nothing so far links them to Egghead, and we saw them still in Karaibari Island the day prior. There's a tiny chance they could be coming, but they lack any reason to do so.
Shanks
Shanks. The chances are slightly higher.
He was in Elbaf, which is somewhat near. He has the resources to know a marine fleet was on the move beforehand. But, aside from that, he feels alien to Egghead's events. I doubt Luffy and Shanks are set to meet now.
Marco & Ms. Bukkin
It's weird to put Marco and Buckin above all previous candidates... But Buckin is related to MADS and Vegapunk, and she was trying to convince Marco to ask Vegapunk to prove Weevil was blood-related to Whitebeard. They could be coming to Egghead for their own reasons.
What makes me doubt Marco and Buckin as the newcomers is that... it's kind of an empty reveal. It's like: "Oh, it's them... yawn...". Also, it's a repeated beat because something similar already happened in Wano.
I think Marco will go save Weevil without needing proof of his lineage.
The Straw Hat Grand Fleet
Now, that's at the same time likely and unlikely. It's possible because they can locate Luffy at any time through Vivre Card. Also, they are said to cause a major incident at some point. But there's two problems:
First, aside from Leo and Sai in the Reverie, almost a month ago, there's been no setup for the Grand Fleet to show up in Egghead.
Second, why would they appear now of all times? Like I said before, they can't be reacting to the news, it would take them days to assemble here.
And there was no call by the Straw Hats, nor any particularly worrying sign in the Vivre Card for them to mobilize.
To me, it was more likely for them to appear in Wano than Egghead, since the news on Luffy being in Wano while Big Mom hunted him were out weeks before the raid.
So, in short, while there's enough ways for the Fleet to assemble with Luffy, there hasn't been any good reasons for them to do so now out of all times.
The Blackbeard Pirates
If we analyze Egghead arc on its own, the greatest piece of setup for anyone to appear now is in Ch 1079. What's there?
Well, that's when we see the evacuation ship being boarded by the island's workers and technicians, while as Blackbeard ship looms in the distance, watching, waiting... It's no coincidence that the "someone is coming" was heralded by the escape ship being saved...
As such, whoever is coming must be related to that Blackbeard ship. The ship is obviously no longer right next to Egghead, or the marines would've seen it earlier. It clearly went away, probably to avoid the marine fleet.
So, which groups have access to a Blackbeard ship?
The Blackbeard Pirates are the obvious answer, of course. They are nearby, and last day we saw all of them but two, Laffite and Devon, occupied by their own stuff. But those two could be in the ship and warned the others, giving them enough time to arrive now...
So, the Blackbeard Pirates are the most likely answer, but not the only one.
Why? Because there's another group that may have access to a Blackbeard ship... And it's a group related to Luffy, that appeared beforehand in this arc while discussing the threat of Egghead's weapons.
Hancock, Rayleigh & Co
Yes, I know, I know. I'm biased, ok, but bear with me. The last possibility, and my bet, is Boa Hancock, Rayleigh, and their close relatives (Shakky, Nyon, Sandersonia, Marigold).
Why would they have moved to Egghead beforehand? Because Hancock needs to leave her island but wants to keep it as safe as possible, and the biggest threat to it is Vegapunk's creations.
And how the heck could they be using a Blackbeard ship? Well, Blackbeard may have only partially accepted Koby's offer. He exchanged 800 marines for Koby, but still left Amazon Lily in a marine battleship, leaving his own ship behind.
I explain it in more detail in a reddit post, but the TLDR is:
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Hancock & co had reasons to go to Egghead before they knew Luffy would be there.
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Blackbeard left a ship behind in Amazon Lily and Rayleigh, crafty as he is, came with the plan to use it.
As such, that Blackbeard ship we saw near Egghead yesterday? That was Hancock & co arriving. They intercepted the escape ship and questioned the workers. Hancock left for the island upon learning Luffy is there. The others kept their distance, but remained nearby.
The one helping Luffy is Salome, Hancock's snake. Hancock herself is in the island right now. And, when the marines came to kill the refuges, Rayleigh and co decided it was time to get involved.
If that's so, they'll make their presence known very soon.
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No offense, Deicide, but I would find it super lame if the Straw Hats need Uncle Rayleigh to save them from Kizaru again.
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@Johnny-B-Decent Good thing that's not Rayleigh's function here, then.
I don't expect him to leave the ship at all. He came to see his adoptive almost-daughter setting off safely.
There are some expecting Rayleigh to die here, but I don't think that will happen either. I just think he and his crew will be doing some pressure on the marine ships while the Straw Hats handle the main threats.
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Catarina Devon and Laffite are both stealthy characters, doesn’t seem like them to make such a mess and leave someone to report back, plus the likelihood of them saving civilians is small
That being said seeing as how we saw there ship a while back makes them likely suspects still, especially since those two still need to show off
I guess we will see
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Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs If it's really the Blackbeard pirates, maybe Devon and Laffite called the others, and they are all arriving now.
Good point
I actually want it to be them, I want to see more of the Black Beard Pirates, I love them as villains
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A possibility I didn't consider in my early analysis is Sabo, Karasu and maybe a few other RA members like Lindbergh.
I guess they could fly fast from Kamabakka. Maybe Dragon sent them after Sabo's debriefing because he was worried about Vegapunk, not especifically to follow Kuma.
However, I still find it far-fetched because Kuma had a big advantage and just arrived. I doubt they'd be so fast as to be arriving right now, minutes after Kuma. If they were coming, it would still take them a few hours.
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At any rate, we’re almost 50 chapters into Egghead and Luffy still hasn’t defeated Saturn and Kizaru, even though he’s an Emperor. Unless Oda is planning for Luffy to defeat them at the same time, I guess they’ll be saved for another day then.
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If Dragon has the rumored wind or weather logia, I’m sure he can fast travel to Egghead.
But I don’t see this happening the Revos first priority should be locating Vivi and tell the world what really happened.SW-3170-8630-8341
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@The-Light-of-Shandora Dragon would need literal long-distance teleportation at this point, since we saw him in Kamabakka while Kuma was already arriving in Egghead.
Even before we got confirmation he had not moved yet, it was hard to believe Dragon could arrive faster than Kuma.
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I've heard complaints that the Straw Hats haven't gotten enough attention, but I think that has less to do with the number of Straw Hats, and more to do with Oda going out of his way to focus on support groups like the Grand Fleet or Scabbards. Even at Egghead, he's switching the focus away to focus on characters like Shanks, Blackbeard, Buggy, Imu, etc. so it's really a matter of what support characters Oda decides to spend his time on.
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@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
Oh wait, I imagine Oda will do something to do away with the Seraphim, because otherwise what exactly is stopping Vegapunk from just reprogramming them so that they obey the Straw Hats and give them a massive power boost that way
His death.
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Brook is the first SH to leave the island, alongside their ship, the Sunny. 9 straw hats remain, plus a few allies. Lilith is with Brook.
Dory and Broggy come one chapter after what we know to be the start of the escape. This is the end of the arc. 15 chapters left, 20 if either Saturn, Kizaru or the BB Pirates(?) complicate things like crazy.
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While I see many praising Egghead, I feel it's actually been one of the worst arcs in One Piece, save for two portions of it: the cutaway scenes and Kuma's flashback.
Those are great, and it's ironic for me to praise the cutaways, since I was not a fan when they happened. It's simple to understand my shift: when the cutaways happened, I was very interested in the main story and had big expectations out of it, so cutting away to unrelated stuff for so long felt punishing. But when we returned from them, the main story became a mess. In comparison to that mess, the cutaways are actually fine. Garp's assault on Hachinosu is cool. Sabo's reverie flashback was great. I have less good will toward the Kid/SHanks and Cross Guild segments, but they at least were short.
Likewise, Kuma's flashback was a very strong piece of storytelling. Oda took some risks in there, and he delivered a shockingly tragic story. 10/10.
But ignoring those parts, Egghead itself is plagued with problems. There's a lot of fridge logic and idiot ball issues in it.
Fridge Logic is when a story seems fine in the surface, but if you are paying attention you start seeing some logic problems in it. For instance, the rules for Pacifista command are a total mess and keep changing all the time. There are two instances in which the villains have to get control from someone higher in hierarchy by beating that person unconscious. But there are also two instances in which the heroes could do so (with Lucci and York) and that rule is just forgotten. Also, Egghead's location makes no damn sense. Are you telling me the Government allowed its main scientist to set up shop right in the middle of Wano, Hachinosu and Elbaf with no issue? A place its enemies could attack in hours, but the WG itself would take days to reach?
And then we get the idiot balls. That's when a character who should know better must act take an idiotic decision just so the plot can advance in certain ways. For instance, the heroes having Rob Lucci completely free right in their middle like he was a honorbound ally. And let me not go into the villains... Saturn has been an incompetent fool. In the span of five chapters or so he made more mistakes than anyone should be allowed. Not binding captured devil fruit users in seastone, not verifying if his safety measures were really installed...
There's also a not small gripe in that the Straw Hats themselves have done practically nothing the entire arc. They spent most of the story watching things in monitors, wandering corridors or carrying cargo. Their only victory was off-screened and depended on plot saving them. Even Luffy has mostly wandered from place to place fighting battles that just weren't entertaining. Oh, he fights Lucci, but Lucci is not defeated. He fights Kizaru, but it just leaves Kizaru stunned a bit.
So, when I read Ch 1106 and Saturn is fooled AGAIN, and the Pacifistas turned sides AGAIN, and Luffy gets into G5 so soon AGAIN, and the Straw Hats do nothing AGAIN, and the plot brings help to save the day AGAIN, it just struck me: I'm not entertained.
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I'm a bit bitter because Vegapunk had a lot of expectations and explanations to do and none of that came our way. York's fall being off-screened is a bit insane, and as a Robin fan how little she got to do this arc is driving me crazy.
Most logic issues Deicide brought I agree with, even though I was mostly entertained for a huge part of the arc. Pacifistas' command ping pong wasn't an issue cuz they had so little weight during the arc that I just accept their face turning and just waited for something to come out of it; Luffy going G5 all the time is what we have in store for the foreseable future, so I'm in peace with that. I really wish Saturn was an actual competent lider figure, but Oda isn't good in making villains like that so I should have seen it coming...the LACK of SHs - mainly after Wano were they had to split screentime with an army of secondary characters - is the most hurtful thing to me.
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That fridge stuff seems somewhat nitpicky. I'm not going to check, but there's probably plenty of stuff like that in every arc. I guess maybe because we're dealing with genius scientists it sticks out more? If Kaido or Big Mom do something dumb that makes things harder for themselves, well, that's just who they're. If Vegapunk or Saturn does it, that may raise some eyebrows. Still, things like that are hardly ever what makes or breaks any story. If the story is engaging, nobody cares about those details.
Overall, there's just not that much to actual Egghead content. Literally half the arc is composed of those cutaways and flashback. The flashback is relevant to the Kuma/Bonney stuff obviously, but the cutaways just have almost nothing to do with the actual arc. And what's in the arc? A lot of exposition at the start like every arc, but extra because Vegapunk has so many connections and knows so much. A murder mystery with a resolution that is hard to pull off in a satisfying way (It was the character you forgot existed!), and has led to nothing so far. And a conflict that, flashback aside, started only 10 chapters ago and tbh only really got going after the flashback.
The SH stuff is right. For the longest time, the cope was that they'd get more focus when the big extended cast left the stage. But know we have an arc with only 2 non-SH characters (although one of them is actually 7 to be fair), and they're getting less focus than in any post-timeskip arc other than maybe Zou. Which come to think of it, it's a pretty good comparison I guess. Lots of flashback and exposition, but not much else going on. Back then I remember a lot of people putting it as their favorite post-timeskip arc because of the lore, the cool twist, and just because they were so overjoyed to get something new after the actual nightmare that was weekly Dressrosa.
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@Sengokusgoat said in Official Egghead Thread:
That fridge stuff seems somewhat nitpicky.
By themselves none of the issues are enough to make the arc bad. It's all of them together that do. THe fridge logic would be more bearable if there weren't so many idiot ball moments, and vice-versa. I just find the narrative very sloppy here. It feels like things happen just because the plot demands them, not because there's some internal logic that makes them organic to the plot.
@Sengokusgoat said in Official Egghead Thread:
A murder mystery with a resolution that is hard to pull off in a satisfying way (It was the character you forgot existed!)
How I hated that revelation. Oda essentially dropped no clues to solve the mystery, it was impossible to logically deduce the culprit. People essentially had to randomly guess whodunnit.
@Sengokusgoat said in Official Egghead Thread:
but the cutaways just have almost nothing to do with the actual arc
I say the Kid/Shanks and Cross Guild segments should have happened before Egghead started.
I'm still on the fence about the Law/Blackbeard and Garp/Koby segments wouldn't be better as a inter-arc event after Egghead, it will depend on what comes out of that Blackbeard ship and how it ties to those segments.
But the Sabo/Reverie segment does make a lot of sense to be placed there, as it's related to Egghead events indirectly and help explain a lot about the arc.
Still, that makes the 10-chapters cutaway (plus random scenes in other chapters) at least 2 chapters, and potentially 6 chapters, too long.
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I’m really looking forward to Elbaf!
God I hate break weeks
I’m glad for Oda that he gets time off but i can’t wait for when the next chapter gets released
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Is Egghead meant to be a parallel to Sabaody?
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I see two pathes ahead for Egghead. The long path and the shortcut. Which is which?
The shortcut was enabled by the giants arriving and makes the arc end abruptly while leaving a ton of unresolved stuff for later in the final saga. If so, Luffy and crew get some swift but minor victories and escape the island, leaving its spoils for the World Government. In the shortcut scenario, neither Saturn nor Kizaru are really defeated, and, while the heroes escape, York and the Seraphim are successfully rescued by the World Government, who now has the Mother Flame. If that's the path taken, the arc is going to end in around 10 chapters.
The long path is a bit more complicated. In this case, the villains turn the tide and stop the heroes from escaping. Lucci rescues York and the Seraphim, but they become more forces to be dealt with not in trhe future, but within Egghead itself. In the long path scenario, we have big final battles, and Saturn meets his defeat. This is a major blow to the WG, who loses a lot of firepower and is left more vulnerable than ever. In that the case, the next 10 or so chapters deal with the villains regaining the upper hand.
Which scenario to you think as more likely?
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I would be very, very surprised if we take the long path. While the short path means leaving a lot of stuff for the World Government, it's not likely for any of them except maybe Robin to take the long view of what that could eventually mean. Vegapunk was already committed to fleeing, even knowing what he's leaving behind. It's not like the crew can stick around and defend the island for future invasions. Not even in a 'this is my turf' kind of way - with the researchers fled there's literally no one left to watch over it. Unless Vegapunk suddenly decides to make a detour to selfdestruct the Mother Flame or something, short or long amounts to the same thing for the tech.
Just based on Oda's comments and the pace of his recent storytelling, I'd bet on most options that take a quick path to wrapping up arcs and ticking islands off the pre-ending checklist. Another cycle of the villains getting the advantage and the crew rallying would probably have us spending most of the year on Egghead at minimum.
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@Captain-M I find this arc's structure too strange to be sure of any path. I could see some stuff being left for later, like the York and the Seraphim, but I feel the arc should at least have internal consistency and close up its main conflict, which is Bonney's and Kuma's story, and that would require Saturn's defeat. But I just don't see us defeating the main villain while leaving his forces behind, especially when Saturn has Kizaru as his bodyguard.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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What if something happens like the reactor for the Mother Flame goes haywire and explodes and Saturn gets buried under the rubble and they don't know if he's alive or not? (He probably survives, naturally) But Morgans publishes that he died anyway? That would be a huge enough event.
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@Deicide I have to disagree about this arc being about just Bonney/Kuma. The centerpiece is VP/Saturn.
We look at the story now, a lot of the Bonney/Kuma material has been revealed and they come off as an extension of VP and Saturn's actions.
Everything comes back to those 2. They even got the flashback out of the way. Where is the VP story? Is he meant for a separate arc?
Not likely. Look at Wano and there are a few fans that will tell you that this was about New Generation/Supernova vs old regime slightly more than Wano inner conflict.
Wano is clearly Kin and Momo vs Kaido/Orochi. This is why the latter fall almost simultaneously while some of the audience at the time were not taking full notice of this.
Is the arc princess of W7/EL, Franky or Robin? It is both, but 1 edges out the other to an extent.
The conflict surrounds the PG research that Saturn came here for. Bonney just happens to be another mess that VP/Saturn was involved with and the crew has strong ties to.
All elements and conflict go back to VP. He is just the main attraction and has been. VP being mentioned by Oda predates Bonney's appearance.
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@Cockycent said in Official Egghead Thread:
I have to disagree about this arc being about just Bonney/Kuma. The centerpiece is VP/Saturn.
I can't agree with that. The arc starts with Bonney, her journey has been the most significant one, an entire 8-chapter flashback (1/5 of the arc) is for her and Kuma. Luffy's big G5's nature reveal was a Bonney moment. This is where the arc's heart lies.
Saturn's biggest emotional conflict is about Kuma's existence and how Saturn kept crawling back to ruin Kuma's life again and again. Compare Vegapunk's conflict with Saturn and it's way less personal. Saturn is coming to end Vegapunk because the later did something forbidden, and it's just it.
Vegapunk is a very simple character. He has depth, sure, but he's not the emotional center of the arc. It doesn't help that he has split himself into 7 so we could even see he dying (a 3rd time if we count Pythagoras and Shaka) and it wouldn't be that terrible since all other Vegapunks share his memories and knowledge.
And, should we move away from Egghead with things left unresolved, Vegapunk's story would be among many of those things. York's treason, Vegapunk's creations (Seraphim and Mother Flame) and even Vegapunk's fate would likely be among the many unresolved plot points carried to future arcs, while Kuma/Bonney's story is pretty much in the center of Egghead and has little to carry over for the future (which doesn't mean they wouldn't have future roles. what I mean is that the father/daughter story and their tormentor are all things that should be resolved here and now).
I just don't see in anyway how we would move away from Egghead resolving all of Vegapunk's issues but leaving the Kuma/Bonney story unresolved. And that shows how the later story is way more crucial to this particular arc than the former.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide And who is it that she keeps talking about - VP. He keeps walking her to these closure moments, then it goes back to him. Who did Saturn come out for - not Bonney. In this arc, all roads lead to VP naturally. Bonney/Kuma is just an extension of him.
Majority of the 1st 30 chapters went away from her and centered on him, his inventions, and CP0. The whole Seraphim debacle, Oda kept her out for most of it.
She keeps receiving benefits and resolutions through him. They just got her and Kuma's flashback out the way and it shows that Saturn is barely feeling much about what he did to them.
Saturn's goal is VP and his assets that benefit the WG + VP being a liability.
Saturn has shown no emotion involving Kuma or Bonney. He sees them as loose ends that have managed to survive. It is VP who has brought out more character, even if its just miniscule.
Saturn has shown disappointment and surprise over VP wasting his usefulness by going against the WG. Whenever faced with Bonney and Kuma, his dialogue was the usual CD "you're beneath me" verbiage.
With VP, he has expressed the typical "you peasant" expressions, but he adds that it is "regrettable" multiple times.
To top it all off, the princess of most arcs are usually the ones that consider the arc their main base, home, or headquarters. This is more VP's spot than Bonney.
Too much is going in VP's favor from why many are here, the conflict constantly surrounding him and his actions, the cover story coming back to him, etc.
