All Zoro gets is a tour of Wano, history lessons, his weapons stolen, and a lil cute flashback of Kozaburo.
The wildest thing to me is that this is The Land of the Samurai arc, and Zoro isn't really on the front line of the arc.
All Zoro gets is a tour of Wano, history lessons, his weapons stolen, and a lil cute flashback of Kozaburo.
The wildest thing to me is that this is The Land of the Samurai arc, and Zoro isn't really on the front line of the arc.
@All:
The wildest thing to me is that this is The Land of the Samurai arc, and Zoro isn't really on the front line of the arc.
Not counting Luffy, he's one of the most important Straw Hats in Wano. I think it's just that his personality and interests are quite simple and direct, so he doesn't get as much attention as Sanji got in WCI.
I also argue against the notion of Zoro not being on the front line of Wano. At the very least, he had the biggest role during the first part of the arc aside from Luffy himself. He even got to directly befriend two of the arc's key characters.
I also argue against the notion of Zoro not being on the front line of Wano. At the very least, he had the biggest role during the first part of the arc aside from Luffy himself. He even got to directly befriend two of the arc's key characters.
Yes, and he got to travel throughout Wano, got a girlfriend, got a new sword, learned Conqueror Haki, stole Kin'emon's technique, learned of his link to Wano, still has a plotline to follow even after his big fight, and will probably get some more stuff in the epilogue (I'm eager for him meeting Onimaru again when visiting Ryuuma's grave).
I hope whatever arc Vivi comes back in Sir Crocodile makes his return then too
I hope whatever arc Vivi comes back in Sir Crocodile makes his return then too
Heh, I have a theory/hope that next arc is Mary Geoise, dealing with Sabo, Vivi and Hancock. I believe the Straw Hats will need underworld help to climb the Red Line, and when they get to meet an underworld broker, it's Crocodile.
If things keep as they are now, I think the last nakama will get a good joining arc and then not much to do until the Blackbeard fight.
I really hope Oda dial back the cast after Wano. Put Law on a bus for a while, leave all companions behind and we get just the crew for one arc. More companions are sure to get onboard over time, but focus on just the crew and then the new crewmate for a bit.
Law has been built up to get slammed down possibly. Just a feeling. I only feel bad for Bepo if that happens.
As for dialing it back, its possible. I just don't see it when the formula is purposed for Luffy to have a bunch of characters to clear up the fodder like WB. For MF War, it felt like a bunch named New World characters popping up after the other. Had to be over 35 captains. Oda will have countries, a fleet, and other captains in the end that we all remember and aren't just randos the crew barely interacted with.
If Oda is going for that, they most likely get arcs tied to them. In this arc alone, the Scabbards and Tama's Pocket Monsters have proven to be useful. Germa, Sun Pirates, and the Capone Family in the arc prior to this.
@All:
The wildest thing to me is that this is The Land of the Samurai arc, and Zoro isn't really on the front line of the arc.
I guess the feeling can be mutual since I think characters like Usopp have gotten much less spotlight at Wano, despite also being a Straw Hat.
But really though, he’s one of the most frequently appearing characters in the arc and has much to show for that from being the first Straw Hat Luffy reunites with, to being the one that rescues Momo’s sister, to receiving Oden’s sword, to helping wear down Kaido on the roof, to defeating one of his officers. That’s prob more prominent than most other characters in the arc alone.
Law has been built up to get slammed down possibly. Just a feeling. I only feel bad for Bepo if that happens.
I think Law's new goal gives him extra survivability until it's accomplished.
As I try to make theories for everything, one thing I've been considering is that the Road Poneglyphs point to 4 different islands, but to reach Laugh Tale you need Eternal Poses for all four, and then sail to the spot where the arrows point in the right directions.
If that's the case, one of this islands is Raijin, and that's why Roger and Oden visited it despite already knowing the locations of all Road Poneglyphs. And plus: that's the location Big Mom's Road Poneglyph points to, since at the time Roger had only two Poneglyphs read: BM's and Fishman Island's.
Luffy will have three at the end of Wano: BM's, Kaido's and the Mink's.
So, the SHs will go to Raijin as it's in the path back to the Red Line (Mary Geoise arc, after all) to make an eternal pose. Meanwhile, Law's crew will seek one or both of the other known locations, giving an excuse for him to disappear for a while and return later in Elbaf or after it.
As for dialing it back, its possible. I just don't see it when the formula is purposed for Luffy to have a bunch of characters to clear up the fodder like WB.
I think this last saga had the Straw Hats get most of their future allies: Law, Kid (maybe), Dressrosa, Fishman Island, Sun Pirates, the Grand Fleet, Wano, the minks, Katakuri (maybe), and so on. Plus, there's the pre-timeskip ones: Arabasta, Water Seven, the SH separation allies, the Kuja…
A few more may be gathered, but I think/hope next saga will be mostly for the SHs, and it ends in Elbaf where they get the giants.
My expected roadmap is:
I think Law's new goal gives him extra survivability until it's accomplished.
As I try to make theories for everything, one thing I've been considering is that the Road Poneglyphs point to 4 different islands, but to reach Laugh Tale you need Eternal Poses for all four, and then sail to the spot where the arrows point in the right directions.
If that's the case, one of this islands is Raijin, and that's why Roger and Oden visited it despite already knowing the locations of all Road Poneglyphs. And plus: that's the location Big Mom's Road Poneglyph points to, since at the time Roger had only two Poneglyphs read: BM's and Fishman Island's.
Luffy will have three at the end of Wano: BM's, Kaido's and the Mink's.
So, the SHs will go to Raijin as it's in the path back to the Red Line (Mary Geoise arc, after all) to make an eternal pose. Meanwhile, Law's crew will seek one or both of the other known locations, giving an excuse for him to disappear for a while and return later in Elbaf or after it.
I think this last saga had the Straw Hats get most of their future allies: Law, Kid (maybe), Dressrosa, Fishman Island, Sun Pirates, the Grand Fleet, Wano, the minks, Katakuri (maybe), and so on. Plus, there's the pre-timeskip ones: Arabasta, Water Seven, the SH separation allies, the Kuja…
A few more may be gathered, but I think/hope next saga will be mostly for the SHs, and it ends in Elbaf where they get the giants.
My expected roadmap is:
- Mary Geoise (Raijin island either before or after it, as a quick stop): Revolutionaries, Bonney. Jinbe and Robin shine here.
- Vegapunk: maybe Kuma? Bonney again. Chopper and Franky shine here.
- Elbaf: The giants. Red Hair pirates remnants. Usopp and the 11th shine here.
- The final saga. Nami shines when we get to go to Laugh Tale. Maybe Brook has an opportunity too at some point?
Based on this, Luffy and co. not making it to Raijin might be what was best, so they could address the Kaido and Law Saga.
I also question if Luffy even cares if Robin and Nami give the info from the PGs to Kid and Law. They did help Wano here.
I think Oda showed us some of those rulers during the Reverie for a reason. I'm not ruling out them playing a role or even a few of their countries being visited. It was established that some of them butt heads while there's other larger nations pulling the strings. I can see the crew messing that up.
I believe the 4th Road Poneglyph was originally at God Valley, but after the battle, the WG took it to Mary Geoise, which is why no one knows where it is.
Heh, I have a theory/hope that next arc is Mary Geoise, dealing with Sabo, Vivi and Hancock. I believe the Straw Hats will need underworld help to climb the Red Line, and when they get to meet an underworld broker, it's Crocodile.
That’s a very nifty idea, I’d also like to meet all those underworld brokers we met at Punk Hazard
Edit: actually wasn’t Kidd one of those brokers? Maybe that’s how they’ll meet them
I still don’t think Oda is done with Kidd, I think he might travel alongside the straw hats, though I’d much rather he didn’t
That’s a very nifty idea, I’d also like to meet all those underworld brokers we met at Punk Hazard
Edit: actually wasn’t Kidd one of those brokers? Maybe that’s how they’ll meet them
I still don’t think Oda is done with Kidd, I think he might travel alongside the straw hats, though I’d much rather he didn’t
Kid wasn't a broker, he was watching it out of curiosity, to keep himself informed. But that may mean he has connections, of course.
I also believe Kid will still be relevant somehow later.
We also saw the Beasts and Big Mom Pirates watching it. I don't think there's many more groups for us to meet.
@Johnny:
I believe the 4th Road Poneglyph was originally at God Valley, but after the battle, the WG took it to Mary Geoise, which is why no one knows where it is.
No, it was in Fishman Island during Roger's time, but has since disappeared. The most common theory, to which I subscribe, is that it's in Elbaf under Shank's protection, but I also could see it being taken by the WG somehow.
Based on this, Luffy and co. not making it to Raijin might be what was best, so they could address the Kaido and Law Saga.
I also question if Luffy even cares if Robin and Nami give the info from the PGs to Kid and Law. They did help Wano here.
I think Oda showed us some of those rulers during the Reverie for a reason. I'm not ruling out them playing a role or even a few of their countries being visited. It was established that some of them butt heads while there's other larger nations pulling the strings. I can see the crew messing that up.
I can totally see Luffy sharing the info with Kid and Law. And maybe even Drake. It depends on Kid staying in Wano long enough, thought. I think he may leave sooner, as he's not really a party guy. I also wonder what happens if I'm right about my theory that Shanks is coming to meet Luffy in the epilogue (and challenge him to come to Elbaf for the last poneglyph). If that happens, I wonder how Kid would react to Shanks' arrival.
I also have some doubts about Kid remaining an ally. THe T100 colorspread painted him and Killer among the enemies (and even fighting Franky), unlike guys like Law or Capone.
No, it was in Fishman Island during Roger's time, but has since disappeared. The most common theory, to which I subscribe, is that it's in Elbaf under Shank's protection, but I also could see it being taken by the WG somehow.
Heh, I actually had a thought Big Mom's Poneglyph was originally from Elbaf and she stole it around the time the marriage with Loki fell through.
Pretty sure the 4th Road Poneglyph was located at Fishman Island.
Roger got one from Big Mom, then was told where two more were by Neko/Inu and Oden (Zou and Wano, respectively), and found the last on Fishman Island.
The Strawhats got the Zou Poneglyph at…well, Zou, then presumably got the same "Big Mom" Poneglyph while they were in Totland. We've been told Kaidou has a third, which would - again, presumably - be the Wano Poneglyph, and is pretty much certain to be in the Strawhats' possession by the end of the arc. Which leaves the FI Road Poneglyph as the only one that seems to be missing.
Given that Fishman Island has been under either Whitebeard or Linlin's protection for most of the past 25+ years, that makes the two of them the most likely culprits for its disappearance - and as Big Mom didn't have two Road Poneglyphs in Totland, so far as we're aware, that makes me think that Newgate was probably responsible for having it moved.
EDIT: Too slow. >_<
@Johnny:
Heh, I actually had a thought Big Mom's Poneglyph was originally from Elbaf and she stole it around the time the marriage with Loki fell through.
She already had the poneglyph when Roger stole a copy of it, so if it's originally from Elbaf, she took it way before the failed Lola/Loki marriage attempt.
She already had the poneglyph when Roger stole a copy of it, so if it's originally from Elbaf, she took it way before the failed Lola/Loki marriage attempt.
Oh yeah, you're right. Now where did she get it, though?
Based on this, Luffy and co. not making it to Raijin might be what was best, so they could address the Kaido and Law Saga.
Yeah, I think we skipped Raijin despite all the hype behind it because Oda plans to get us back there.
When I saw Raijin in Oden's flashback (and AFTER Roger learned the locations of all Red Poneglyphs), I theorized that it is one of the points to map Laugh Tale's location and we will need to get there.
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@Johnny:
Oh yeah, you're right. Now where did she get it, though?
No idea. It may be from Elbaf, indeed. The giants seem linked to the lost history, so they may have been its guardians once.
But if there's a Poneglyph now located there, it's the one formerly in Fishman Island.
Suprise plot twist, the final Poneglyph is the egg on the Oro Jackson. After it hatched in ran/swam/flew away and is now lost forever…or so it seems:ninja:
I can totally see Luffy sharing the info with Kid and Law. And maybe even Drake. It depends on Kid staying in Wano long enough, thought. I think he may leave sooner, as he's not really a party guy. I also wonder what happens if I'm right about my theory that Shanks is coming to meet Luffy in the epilogue (and challenge him to come to Elbaf for the last poneglyph). If that happens, I wonder how Kid would react to Shanks' arrival.
I also have some doubts about Kid remaining an ally. THe T100 colorspread painted him and Killer among the enemies (and even fighting Franky), unlike guys like Law or Capone.
If Kid doesn't get what everyone else receives concerning the reward as PG info, I don't think Oda is trying to keep him in competition. Unless… Kid's goal is to just topple Yonko and be the baddest in the wild wild west or something of that nature.
From what i'm seeing, Kid going after Shanks continues. This time, he might be more equip due to the growth here.
I've also seen Law and Drake as being intertwined based on multiple factors.
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I think Drake's monitoring of the Yonko might get him to be tied to Law in the end to come full circle.
If Kid doesn't get what everyone else receives concerning the reward as PG info, I don't think Oda is trying to keep him in competition. Unless… Kid's goal is to just topple Yonko and be the baddest in the wild wild west or something of that nature.
From what i'm seeing, Kid going after Shanks continues. This time, he might be more equip due to the growth here.
I've also seen Law and Drake as being intertwined based on multiple factors.
- both connected to the DF incident where Drake's escaped through the Marines and Law survived thanks to Corazon
- when most were fighting or glaring at each other, Drake and Law were more composed
- Drake assisted Law's escape
- Drake is aligning with the crew as he is exposing that he isn't with the antagonist of the arc
- The only 2 known SWORD members so far are Drake and the "hero" of an incident the Law just happen to be the "mastermind" of
I think Drake's monitoring of the Yonko might get him to be tied to Law in the end to come full circle.
I subscribe to everything you wrote. I've had the same suspicions for a while.
I still want Drake to help them get into Mary Geoise
Imagine him coming back as a marine with a “captive” Caribou who’s in fake sea stone cuffs and when they get inside it turns out Caribou is carrying the Straw Hats in him, and then bam! The straw hats invade Mary Geoise and the rescue mission begins
BM's Road Poneglyph was definitely NOT in Elbaf, that would've been mentioned already with how much beef she has with them.
The three-eyed people or Lunarian seem very likely to me, we dont know if three-eyed people are endangered like the Lunaria, but it does seem like there arent many of them, it would also make sense that BM stole it from a place that wasnt properly protected or recently destroyed.
What makes the most sense for the RP from Gyojin Island, is that well, since that was Newgate's territory, is likely that he put it in one of his territories, with all secrecy so that no one would notice it. Its very likely that Marco will lead them there.
Btw, I dont really see any credible excuse for why Neptune wouldnt tell them about it, he ended up trusting the SH's and even had a conversation with Robin about Poneglyphs..
A poor handled retcon clearly.
Since we're on the topic of the Rocky Port incident, I've been away from the forums when that part happened in the manga, so all I can go by is the fan translations and the subs. If possible, is anybody able to provide a bit more insight on what exactly has been said about the incident. I'm especially interested if there really were civilians involved or not.
Since we're on the topic of the Rocky Port incident, I've been away from the forums when that part happened in the manga, so all I can go by is the fan translations and the subs. If possible, is anybody able to provide a bit more insight on what exactly has been said about the incident. I'm especially interested if there really were civilians involved or not.
The thing is is that it didn't happen in the manga in present time, only during the timeskip, with it just being known that Law created an incident in such a way that Koby got involved and saved civilians in the process. Not much to go on, though I'd suppose it might mean that if we actually saw Law and Koby meet, then they'd recognize each other right on the spot.
The original lands guarding the Road Poneglyph all seem to have one thing in common - Joy boy - and if that commonality is true, the Road Poneglyph Big Mom possesses would have also been sourced from a land connected to Joy Boy. Zou was located on Zunesha who was Joy Boy's companion over 800 years ago. Fish-Man Island is where Joy Boy made a promise to the Mermaid Princess (Poseidon) and the Fish-Man, it is also where Noah is located and Joy Boy's apology letter. Wano Kuni had an intimate relationship with the Ancient Kingdom substantiated by how they crafted the Poneglyphs for Joy Boy and closed their borders in order to guard against their "enemy" until someone inheriting Joy Boy's will appeared in Wano. The fourth land that once held the other Road Poneglyph would have shared an equally relevant connection to Joy Boy.
I've always subscribed to the possibility that Joy Boy was giant as I found that incredibly amusing and fascinating. Plus there is the fact that the Straw Hat the World Government currently possess is quite large and giant sized. If it was once possessed by Joy Boy, he would have had to be a BIG BOY. The Road Poneglyph didn't necessarily have to have been located in Elbaf, as there are other races of Giants beyond the Elbaf Giants such as the Giant race Jaguar D. Saul belonged to. I understand that the Elbaf Giants are most relevant giants currently and the final Poneglyph is currently likely located there but if the Road Poneglyph didn't originally come from Elbaf, it could have come from one of the other Giant lands that existed in the past. Giants are one of the most relevant story threads in One Piece currently with major forces having desired their powers - the World Government, the Marines, Big Mom, Buggy, etc. Science within One Piece has also become intertwined with the story of Giants with Vegapunk and Caesar having worked on methods to artificially create Giants. Oda has intentionally kept Giants in reserve and has saved their focus to take place AFTER Wano Kuni where two Yonko will be defeated. Whatever story Oda has planned for Elbaf and the Giants, it needed to take place after Wano (and Oden's flashback) which means major story points and secrets will be tied to the land and race. It makes sense for the fourth Poneglyph to have once come from Elbaf or one of the other land of Giants.
With the Wano Arc taking so much time to finish, does Oda still plan to have the Straw Hat Pirates reach Laugh Tale within 3-4 years? With still a lot of content to cover, I really wonder if that is possible unless the story becomes more focused and the pacing is quickened. Elbaf doesn't appear to be set-up to be a short arc as I suspect Urouge and some major forces like Big Mom and other factors to also feature. Elbaf is also intimately tied to Usopp's dream, who is arguable the most important Straw Hat Pirate behind Luffy. From a certain angle, Usopp's focus throughout the story could be seen as more relevant and memorable than Zoro's. So I do expect Usopp to receive a similar level of focus in Elbaf comparative to the attention Oda gave Zoro in Wano (and is still giving) and Sanji in WCI. Then there is Vegapunk and Bonney to deal with which also seems won't be a short arc considering those two characters were built up as mysteries shortly after their introductions. The dangling thread that is Sabo will need to be dealt with but an arc isn't really necessary to handle it. Sabo could be integrated in whatever arc Bonney will feature in.
The reason I am specially pointing out the New Generation is because Oda has went through immense efforts to script the Old VS New Generation narrative throughout the New World story. The New Generation will be the ones to define the coming era and that includes ALL the members of the Worst Generation that were introduced alongside Luffy (and Zoro) as their rivals. Urouge and Bonney will get their chance to interact with the Straw Hat Pirates in a substantial fashion such as was the case with Law, Kid, Killer, Bege, Drake, Hawkins and Apoo. Oda has built up Ace as the vanguard of the New Generation and with the introduction of Yamato, it is clear that Oda intends to fold Yamato into the narrative of the New Generation, so he too will be relevant to the future story of One Piece in the same capacity as the Worst Generation members. The brilliant thing with how Oda has set Yamato up is how Yamato's addition to the crew can both enhance and streamline the story so that the intentions Oda is currently driven by can be generally fulfilled. Yamato has been intentionally designed by Oda to achieve his ends (reducing the time taken to wrap up the story). No other character has been pushed as much by Oda to be equated to the group currently leading the direction of the era. By that aspect alone, Yamato's character is all but likely to continue holding relevance beyond Wano Kuni. With each passing chapter, Oda's writing pushes Yamato's role away from Wano Kuni and toward the world that requires his presence. Momonosuke realises this and understands that what will follow beyond Wano's liberation will involve more than just Wano. Momonosuke will not allow Yamato to abandon his dream of adventuring and sailing the seas with Luffy.
Also in regards to my comment about Usopp being the most important Straw Hat Pirate behind Luffy, even though this is a tangent, some context. In a certain sense, Usopp operates as Luffy's shadow, supporting and complimenting him. When Luffy got his first bounty, Usopp was in it. When Miss Merry Christmas revealed Luffy was defeated, Usopp expressed his belief in Luffy. When the Going Merry’s fate was revealed, it was Usopp who challenged Luffy thereby complimenting the situation in which Luffy’s actual feelings were revealed plus there was the moment with Sogeking when he told Robin to believe in Luffy. Additionally, Sogeking was the one who set the World Government flag ablaze. He also was the one who saved Robin on the bridge and created the moment where the Going Merry saved the crew (a scene initiated from Usopp's focus in Skypiea with the Going Merry). When Luffy punched a Tenryuubito, Usopp also arrived to take out another Tenryuubito (Saint Rosward). When Doflamingo was challenged, it was Usopp who took on the most serious threat outside Doflamingo (Sugar). And lets not forget God Usopp who received a 5 star rating from Doflamingo in his Game of Death. I have come to relaise that Usopp has been the most important Straw Hat Pirate behind Luffy.
I bring this up because so far in the Wano Arc, Usopp has not had his moment to shine. Most of the enemies in Wano have been defeated but aside from Kaido and Orochi there is a force still remaining that requires immediate attention - the CP-0 agents currently facing Izo. Based on Izo's injuries and the opponents he is up against, there is little hope he will be successful so someone will eventually need to take on the CP-0 to prevent them from focusing on Robin. And as the story woud have it, once Usopp drops Kin'emon and Kiku by Chopper, he will be free. Well Marco and Nami are also currently free. It would be incredibly fitting for a character known as God Usopp as per his wanted poster to challenge the agents of those looking to be known as “Gods” aka the Tenryuubito. Everything outside the Ciper Pol Aigis Zero looks to be covered. The current actions of the CP-0 directly concerns the Straw Hat Pirates with them targeting Robin. Previously it was Usopp who saved Robin from being taken away in Enies Lobby and in a sense, Usopp defeated the CP-9 by defeating Spandam. Right now we have Robin being targeted again with the Cipher Pol involved. With Usopp being one of the few free characters remaining in the current position of the arc, it would make sense for him to also involve himself in the fight against the CP-0.
The thing is is that it didn't happen in the manga in present time, only during the timeskip, with it just being known that Law created an incident in such a way that Koby got involved and saved civilians in the process. Not much to go on, though I'd suppose it might mean that if we actually saw Law and Koby meet, then they'd recognize each other right on the spot.
That's actually why I was hoping for a more accurate translation/reading from that scene. Like was it really said that it happened during the timeskip and were civilists involved or was that a very loose translation? Because if it's much more vague could that incident actually be referring to the end part of Marineford, where Koby was putting his life on the line to just end the battle saving lives, while Law was the one that allowed Luffy to get away. If I'm not mistaken it happened at the port part of Marineford. I'd just like to know if the original meaning debunks this or it if actually allows this interpretation.
The reason I am specially pointing out the New Generation is because Oda has went through immense efforts to script the Old VS New Generation narrative throughout the New World story. The New Generation will be the ones to define the coming era and that includes ALL the members of the Worst Generation that were introduced alongside Luffy (and Zoro) as their rivals. Urouge and Bonney will get their chance to interact with the Straw Hat Pirates in a substantial fashion such as was the case with Law, Kid, Killer, Bege, Drake, Hawkins and Apoo. Oda has built up Ace as the vanguard of the New Generation and with the introduction of Yamato, it is clear that Oda intends to fold Yamato into the narrative of the New Generation, so he too will be relevant to the future story of One Piece in the same capacity as the Worst Generation members. The brilliant thing with how Oda has set Yamato up is how Yamato's addition to the crew can both enhance and streamline the story so that the intentions Oda is currently driven by can be generally fulfilled. Yamato has been intentionally designed by Oda to achieve his ends (reducing the time taken to wrap up the story). No other character has been pushed as much by Oda to be equated to the group currently leading the direction of the era. By that aspect alone, Yamato's character is all but likely to continue holding relevance beyond Wano Kuni. With each passing chapter, Oda's writing pushes Yamato's role away from Wano Kuni and toward the world that requires his presence. Momonosuke realises this and understands that what will follow beyond Wano's liberation will involve more than just Wano. Momonosuke will not allow Yamato to abandon his dream of adventuring and sailing the seas with Luffy.
I always felt that a new Straw Hat recruit is always set-up to provide relevance to Luffy's story or vice versa, and Yamato may play into such a scenario by way of things like Wano's borders, the New Generation, and Joy Boy, which were most likely some of the things in line with what Oden wanted to progress in, but ultimately couldn't. Could definitely lend more relevancy in Yamato journeying alongside Luffy to Laugh Tale as opposed to staying in Wano, as well as more specific purpose in adventuring out as opposed to just for the sake of it.
King did mention Joy boy tho, it is likely that his homeland was the place where BM's road poneglyph was located.
As for Elbaf, there should at least be three Poneglyphs speaking of the locations of each of the ancient weapons, the contents of the Poneglyph in Alabasta werent revealed at all, but it was kinda implied it contained information about Pluton. Shandora's poneglyph had info on Poseidon, and if Elbaf holds something important, it would make sense they're guarding the Poneglyph that reveals everything about Uranus.
Those poneglyphs are just as important as the RP's.
I'd say that's one qualifier Carrot has met:
https://i.imgur.com/Se5u1kp.jpg?1
According to panel sizers, this means nothing.
@Zik:
According to panel Sixers, this means nothing.
I'm not gonna call it nothing, but I honestly wouldn't put it on par with scenes like Luffy picking Robin up just as she was crying and giving up her dream with the poneglyphs. I dunno, I think it's not just that the recruit goes through emotion, but that the emotion is used to meaningfully connect to Luffy in some way.
That's actually why I was hoping for a more accurate translation/reading from that scene. Like was it really said that it happened during the timeskip and were civilists involved or was that a very loose translation? Because if it's much more vague could that incident actually be referring to the end part of Marineford, where Koby was putting his life on the line to just end the battle saving lives, while Law was the one that allowed Luffy to get away. If I'm not mistaken it happened at the port part of Marineford. I'd just like to know if the original meaning debunks this or it if actually allows this interpretation.
This is pretty much all we know of the Rocky Port incident:
Chapter 700:
Chapter 903:
I speculate it may be related to this (Chapter 659), since both it and the Rocky Port incident are listed as reasons for him to be renowned enough to be a Warlord:
It gives me the vibe that he masterminded some sort of pirate raid or attack in this "Rocky Port" location, only to take on 100 pirates and deliver their hearts to the government. Koby was present and helped protect the civilians amid the chaos.
This is pretty much all we know of the Rocky Port incident:
Chapter 700:
https://i.imgur.com/iue1ZIO.pngChapter 903:
https://i.imgur.com/wfufvIp.pngI speculate it may be related to this (Chapter 659), since both it and the Rocky Port incident are listed as reasons for him to be renowned enough to be a Warlord:
https://i.imgur.com/ExyoUZO.png
It gives me the vibe that he masterminded some sort of pirate raid or attack in this "Rocky Port" location, only to take on 100 pirates and deliver their hearts to the government. Koby was present and helped protect the civilians amid the chaos.
Thanks for the clarification.
Yeah, I think we skipped Raijin despite all the hype behind it because Oda plans to get us back there.
When I saw Raijin in Oden's flashback (and AFTER Roger learned the locations of all Red Poneglyphs), I theorized that it is one of the points to map Laugh Tale's location and we will need to get there.
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Luffy doesnt travel backwards, and Neko/Inu would've mentioned already that you must visit the places marked by the RP's.
I believe some of those places arent even inside the Grand Line.
I always felt that a new Straw Hat recruit is always set-up to provide relevance to Luffy's story or vice versa, and Yamato may play into such a scenario by way of things like Wano's borders, the New Generation, and Joy Boy, which were most likely some of the things in line with what Oden wanted to progress in, but ultimately couldn't. Could definitely lend more relevancy in Yamato journeying alongside Luffy to Laugh Tale as opposed to staying in Wano, as well as more specific purpose in adventuring out just for the sake of it.
Definitely. There are obvious gaps Oda left in place within the Straw Hat Pirates regarding the current story destination. As I have mentioned before, no one within the Straw Hat Pirates has been tied to Joy Boy, not even Robin. The existence of Joy Boy only became known to Robin AFTER the timeskip. Prior to her conversation with Neptune, she wasn't aware how Joy Boy related to the Void Century which means that whatever information Robin uncovered during her twenty years before that moment didn't directly reference Joy Boy, an entity that embodies the main player for the Ancient Kingdom in the Void Century. And since Fish-Man Island, no other information concerning Joy Boy has been discovered by Robin. Yet once Onigashima came in focus, a heightened level of information related to Joy Boy was revealed. Curiously within the same section of the arc where a certain character was introduced. Oda has connected Joy Boy's story to Oden, Kaido and King. What else do those three characters have in common? It is Yamato whom Oda has heavily associated each of those characters with. Yamato has inherited Oden's will. Yamato is the child of Kaido. Yamato is the child of the man King believes will become the Pirate King, who he also once believed was Joy Boy. King was Kaido's first Beast Pirate recruit and was most likely also present when Yamato was born. Out of all the Beast Pirates, King was likely the one who interacted with Yamato the most. King was also the one who got tipped off about Yamato's absence during the Fire Festival which means he does extend his attention to Yamato's actions.
Oda has made Yamato aware of the "Joy Boy" figure through Oden's Journal and even conveyed how much this figure means to Yamato now that Yamato is aware Luffy embodies this figure. Out of everyone currently allied with Luffy (not including Luffy himself), Yamato has the most knowledge about and connection to Joy Boy and the relevance he serves to the future. Oda has even gone further with connecting Yamato to Joy Boy's story by having Momonosuke request Yamato to assist him with Zunesha who was once Joy Boy's companion 800+ years ago. Momonosuke can't leave Onigashima and requires Yamato to help him with Zunesha. It may seem Oda is taking Yamato further away from Luffy but in fact he is only enhancing the significance Yamato has to Luffy. The common through line in play with Yamato's story makes it apparent where Oda is taking his character and how he intends to make Yamato relevant once the liberation of Wano is complete (Luffy is Joy Boy). And once Yamato does begin to adventure the sea, the immense amounts of potential Oda has built up with Yamato's character can begin to be expressed - the story of Yamato's Oni blood and his origins will become a thread Yamato will be associated with as the story begins to enter the relevance of the Giants. In the same vein as Oden discovered the history of the Kozuki Clan during his adventure, Yamato will learn about the history of his blood during his journey. Blood the World Government sought to enhance their military power - it is not confirmed but the Numbers were based on Kaido's blood. Yamato during the journey will also come to understand King's story with the truth of Lunarian race being discovered and why Kaido was also interested in Joy Boy.
The gap currently within the Straw Hat Pirates as per the story relevance is so glaring that one cannot not entertain Oda having intentionally done so because he seeks to incorporate a character that will eventually fill that void.
One thing to keep in mind when looking at the One Piece story is the timing of events. Much like how Wano Kuni was set-up to have the rebellion and liberation intertwined at a certain point, the promised time that Joy Boy has been waiting for is also looming. Judging by the Sea Kings conversation concerning Noah, the contents of Oden's journal concerning the war & New Generation and the fact that Oda intends to wrap up One Piece, it seems apt that the next ally of the Straw Hat Pirates is one who can hasten Luffy's understanding or at least awareness of his role going forward. The end game is coming and once Wano is liberated, the need for keeping secrets hidden will only reduce.
Additionally, lets not forget Yamato's character has been sourced from the core concepts that embody One Piece - romance and adventure. Every aspect of Yamato's character from the conceptualisation, to their connections, to their design, to their dreams, to their development, to their set-up screams relevance to the story of One Piece. I also wouldn't be surprised if Oda reveals that like with Momonosuke, Yamato too was born on the ocean. Rather than being children of a particular nation, they are children of the sea. What is undeniable at this point is Yamato's relevance beyond Wano Kuni. Sure Yamato has been connected to the Samurai, but Oda's primary focus for Yamato has been to set-up his story to extend beyond Wano Kuni - that sake cup Yamato never got to share demands an answer and Oda knows it demands an answer (otherwise he wouldn't have named chapter 999 what he titled it). That chapter title isn't nothing, it's a foundation Oda set-up to payoff after Wano is liberated and Ace's promise to save Wano is fulfilled.
Yamato is one of the most relevant characters within one of the most important arcs in One Piece and that means something. Oda has even connected Yamato the New Generation. All these factors paint a particular picture of Oda's intentions.
Luffy will travel wherever he feels like traveling.
Not really a good argument for why the series should be unnecesarily stretched out more than it already is.
There's already a point made within the series of the SH's always going forward, and it'll take some years from whats left of Wano to Laugh Tale, and whatever islands are in between will more likely compose most of what Oda has called the last saga of the series
God Valley, Hachinosu, Kano Kuni, Shishano Kingdom all sound much more interesting, and we're probably not going to visit any of them either.
Cover stories, flashbacks and spin-offs are good terrain to cover some of them.
Not really a good argument for why the series should be unnecesarily stretched out more than it already is.
It's not unnecessarily stretched if it was planned all along.
God Valley, Hachinosu, Kano Kuni, Shishano Kingdom
Kano and Shishano are not even in the Grand Line…
Definitely. There are obvious gaps Oda left in place within the Straw Hat Pirates regarding the current story destination. As I have mentioned before, no one within the Straw Hat Pirates has been tied to Joy Boy, not even Robin. The existence of Joy Boy only became known to Robin AFTER the timeskip. Prior to her conversation with Neptune, she wasn't aware how Joy Boy related to the Void Century which means that whatever information Robin uncovered during her twenty years before that moment didn't directly reference Joy Boy, an entity that embodies the main player for the Ancient Kingdom in the Void Century. And since Fish-Man Island, no other information concerning Joy Boy has been discovered by Robin. Yet once Onigashima came in focus, a heightened level of information related to Joy Boy was revealed. Curiously within the same section of the arc where a certain character was introduced. Oda has connected Joy Boy's story to Oden, Kaido and King. What else do those three characters have in common? It is Yamato whom Oda has heavily associated each of those characters with. Yamato has inherited Oden's will. Yamato is the child of Kaido. Yamato is the child of the man King believes will become the Pirate King, who he also once believed was Joy Boy. King was Kaido's first Beast Pirate recruit and was most likely also present when Yamato was born. Out of all the Beast Pirates, King was likely the one who interacted with Yamato the most. King was also the one who got tipped off about Yamato's absence during the Fire Festival which means he does extend his attention to Yamato's actions.
Oda has made Yamato aware of the "Joy Boy" figure through Oden's Journal and even conveyed how much this figure means to Yamato now that Yamato is aware Luffy embodies this figure. Out of everyone currently allied with Luffy (not including Luffy himself), Yamato has the most knowledge about and connection to Joy Boy and the relevance he serves to the future. Oda has even gone further with connecting Yamato to Joy Boy's story by having Momonosuke request Yamato to assist him with Zunesha who was once Joy Boy's companion 800+ years ago. Momonosuke can't leave Onigashima and requires Yamato to help him with Zunesha. It may seem Oda is taking Yamato further away from Luffy but in fact he is only enhancing the significance Yamato has to Luffy. The common through line in play with Yamato's story makes it apparent where Oda is taking his character and how he intends to make Yamato relevant once the liberation of Wano is complete (Luffy is Joy Boy). And once Yamato does begin to adventure the sea, the immense amounts of potential Oda has built up with Yamato's character can begin to be expressed - the story of Yamato's Oni blood and his origins will become a thread Yamato will be associated with as the story begins to enter the relevance of the Giants. In the same vein as Oden discovered the history of the Kozuki Clan during his adventure, Yamato will learn about the history of his blood during his journey. Blood the World Government sought to enhance their military power - it is not confirmed but the Numbers were based on Kaido's blood. Yamato during the journey will also come to understand King's story with the truth of Lunarian race being discovered and why Kaido was also interested in Joy Boy.
The gap currently within the Straw Hat Pirates as per the story relevance is so glaring that one cannot not entertain Oda having intentionally done so because he seeks to incorporate a character that will eventually fill that void.
One thing to keep in mind when looking at the One Piece story is the timing of events. Much like how Wano Kuni was set-up to have the rebellion and liberation intertwined at a certain point, the promised time that Joy Boy has been waiting for is also looming. Judging by the Sea Kings conversation concerning Noah, the contents of Oden's journal concerning the war & New Generation and the fact that Oda intends to wrap up One Piece, it seems apt that the next ally of the Straw Hat Pirates is one who can hasten Luffy's understanding or at least awareness of his role going forward. The end game is coming and once Wano is liberated, the need for keeping secrets hidden will only reduce.
Additionally, lets not forget Yamato's character has been sourced from the core concepts that embody One Piece - romance and adventure. Every aspect of Yamato's character from the conceptualisation, to their connections, to their design, to their dreams, to their development, to their set-up screams relevance to the story of One Piece. I also wouldn't be surprised if Oda reveals that like with Momonosuke, Yamato too was born on the ocean. Rather than being children of a particular nation, they are children of the sea. What is undeniable at this point is Yamato's relevance beyond Wano Kuni. Sure Yamato has been connected to the Samurai, but Oda's primary focus for Yamato has been to set-up his story to extend beyond Wano Kuni - that sake cup Yamato never got to share demands an answer and Oda knows it demands an answer (otherwise he wouldn't have named chapter 999 what he titled it). That chapter title isn't nothing, it's a foundation Oda set-up to payoff after Wano is liberated and Ace's promise to save Wano is fulfilled.
Yamato is one of the most relevant characters within one of the most important arcs in One Piece and that means something. Oda has even connected Yamato the New Generation. All these factors paint a particular picture of Oda's intentions.
Yep, and seeing as how Kaido mentioned that whomever wins the roof battle becomes one step closer to Pirate King and then mentioned that Luffy couldn't be Joy Boy either just after he defeated him in Round 2 implies that Pirate King and Joy Boy are somehow relevant to each other, in addition to Yamato's claim that Oden was waiting for Luffy and what King said.
It's not unnecessarily stretched if it was planned all along.
They would've been there insetad of PH then, if we ever see it, chances are, we're getting it from Urouge's perspective/flashback
Kano and Shishano are not even in the Grand Line…
How was that silly argument again? Ah yeah yeah, Luffy will travel wherever he feels like traveling.
They would've been there insetad of PH then, if we ever see it, chances are, we're getting it from Urouge's perspective/flashback
How was that silly argument again? Ah yeah yeah, Luffy will travel wherever he feels like traveling.
Speaking of which, Urouge would have to be the only Sabaody Supernova left that none of the Straw Hats have met and talked to, so maybe he has been left mostly out of post-timeskip for that reason.
How was that silly argument again? Ah yeah yeah, Luffy will travel wherever he feels like traveling.
You are the one saying we can't take detours. You are the one contradicting yourself.
God Valley, Hachinosu, Kano Kuni, Shishano Kingdom all sound much more interesting, and we're probably not going to visit any of them either.
Cover stories, flashbacks and spin-offs are good terrain to cover some of them.
That's one of the aspects where One Piece completely outshines most other series, the world building is so great that there are plenty of places we haven't seen that would be worth exploring
Worldbuilding means making a world bigger than you'll ever see all of. Rather than just having everything be the stuff in the protagonist's path.
As is its a little annoying that, aside from Punk Hazard, we knew the entire course of the second half of the grand line over a decade ago. Fishman Island, Big mom territory, Wano, eventually Elbaf and Raftel…. heck, we even knew back in Dreserossa that Zou was next even if we didn't know the specifics on that yet. Nami got that three way compass and its basically never been used.
I'd much much prefer we got something new, not something we already heard about 15 years ago. (Even God Valley might apply though that also just seems like a checklist after all the setup it got.)
We are pretty near the endgame, and there's a lot of threads that still need closing. It's way more likely for next locations to be related to those dangling threads than being something entirely new.
Some of those threads: Vivi/Sabo/Hancock (i.e.: Mary Geoise), Vegapunk, Elbaf, Laugh Tale.
It seems pretty locked on that we will visit the places related to them. Vegapunk's location is the one that is very likely to show a place we never seen or heard about before.
You are the one saying we can't take detours. You are the one contradicting yourself.
I'm saying the series has left it pretty clear they dont travel backwards.
I also recall you support a Marineford 2.0, i think you're not realizing we're at a point where there very few islands left, and those few islands would easily take us 6/7 years, so let's be real, any travel backwards, it is unnecesary stretch.
Heck, I could easily see us in Lodestar by year 2027, not in Laugh Tale yet, especially if Oda keeps writting at more or less the same rate.
I also recall you support a Marineford 2.0
You are remembering wrong, I said pretty much the opposite in the Marineford 2.0 thread:
Oda won't waste time retelling a whole arc, so I have no worry about Marineford 2.0.
i think you're not realizing we're at a point where there very few islands left, and those few islands would easily take us 6/7 years, so let's be real, any travel backwards, it is unnecesary stretch.
Heck, I could easily see us in Lodestar by year 2027.
Yes, there's few islands left, and that's why I'm focusing on islands that have story yet to be told. And Mary Geoise is one of those places. Oda pretty much said he will continue the Sabo/Vivi/Hancock story after Wano, he's giving us not one, but three reasons to get there. Do you expect it to be resolved in an intermission, with no Straw Hat involvement?
Worldbuilding means making a world bigger than you'll ever see all of. Rather than just having everything be the stuff in the protagonist's path.
As is its a little annoying that, aside from Punk Hazard, we knew the entire course of the second half of the grand line over a decade ago. Fishman Island, Big mom territory, Wano, eventually Elbaf and Raftel…. heck, we even knew back in Dreserossa that Zou was next even if we didn't know the specifics on that yet. Nami got that three way compass and its basically never been used.
I'd much much prefer we got something new, not something we already heard about 15 years ago. (Even God Valley might apply though that also just seems like a checklist after all the setup it got.)
Suppose the remaining travel will be Ace's Graveyard>Elbaf>God Valley>Lodestar>Laugh Tale>Final War/Invasion of mariejoa.
It is also NOT weird for a 25 yr old series for us to know whats coming, in fact, we should know more about the geopolitics of OP, we had luck we've heard about all those places with this author.
And if any surprise island, Vegapunk's flying saucer works for me.
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Do you expect it to be resolved in an intermission, with no Straw Hat involvement?
I dont expect it to be entered as quickly, Ace had to wait from when he was caught in Banaro to Thriller Bark/Shabaody/Amazon Lily.
Luffy will be just one RP away from Laugh Tale, and time goes much slower within the series than to us.
That's supposedly going to be resolver within its last saga, whereas you seem to want it to happen in two separate sagas.
This is how I see the endgame going:
Some thoughts of mine around the roadmap ahead:
–--- The Throne War -----
I think people get "the final war" wrong. There won't be a "final war" arc. The final war, called the "Throne Wars" by Doflamingo, has already began, and its many battles will be present both in the forefront and in the background of the next arcs. All major powers are in conflict, and many big players will fall one after the other.
The first salvo happened with the Revolutionaries declaring war against the Celestial Dragons in the Reverie.
The first four battles started just before Wano Act 3, when the Marines went after the Warlords.
The first defining battle is happening right now, in Onigashima.Let's call our current state "phase 1" of the final war. It will end with the conclusion of all of the above.
We will learn what the Revolutionaries accomplished in Mary Geoise and what happened to Sabo (just a reminder that the Revolutionaries attacked in the 4th day of Reverie, and Sabo's event happened after the Reverie ended, thus even the Revo commanders away from Mary Geoise were surprised by it);
We will find out which Warlords escaped and which ones were captured (my bet: Mihawk cut a path through the marines, Buggy slipped away in the chaos, Weevil was almost captured but Blackbeard arrived to recruit Bakkin, Hancock got captured);
Kaido and Big Mom will fall, leaving a huge power vacuum in the world.Conflicts like those will be happening all the time from now on, in every arc. The Straw Hats shaking things up will be the main events, but there will be several battles in the background.
In "Phase 2", I'm expecting Shanks to fall to Blackbeard, while the Straw Hats are busy entangling themselves with the World Government, the Revolutionaries, and, eventually, Vegapunk and the SSG.
Then comes "Phase 3", in which the last few key powers duke it out for dominance.
–--- Wano and the Arcs Ahead -----
I think a lot of people is also mistaken in considering Wano a single, huge arc. I don't think we will ever get an arc as long as it, actually. It's better to consider Wano several mini-arcs set in the same overall location. Acts 1 and 2 can be seen as a story by themselves, with a big prelude (Reverie), a small interlude (Act 1/2 Intermission) and a big Epilogue (Act 2/3 Intermission). I feel Acts 3 and 4 will also be linked closer than the rest of Wano, covering the Onigashima and then the Flower Capital battles, against Kaido and Big Mom (with the later assuming a bigger role in Act 4). We get a minor interlude between Acts 3 and 4, and a bigger one before Act 5, which will in itself be a huge epilogue for Wano and prologue for the next arc.
I feel future arcs will have sizes like the Wano acts. Small connecting arcs with 10-15 chapters, Medium ones with 30-50 chapters, Long ones with 60-80 chapters. Maybe Elbaf is near 100 chapters, but I don't see any other arc being as big as Dressrosa or the totality of Wano.
The arcs that I'm expecting to happen are:
War "Phase 2"
1- Mary Geoise (Medium length), about Hancock, Vivi, Sabo, slaves, Sun God Nika, and CP-0, but also featuring Bonney and the Revolutionaries which will lead to next arc.
2- Vegapunk (Medium or Long length), which continues the Revolutionary/Kuma/Bonney plot, plus Vegapunk (duh) and the SSG.War "Phase 3"
3- Elbaf (Long length)
4- The path to Laugh Tale (Short to Medium length, depending on how many events happen the way)
5- The Endgame (Long length), which finishes the major conflicts and presents the big revelations.
6- Epilogue (Short length), which is just tying up all the loose endsSo, something between 200 and 355 chapters ahead, averaging around 270 chapters. I'm actually expecting something closer to the lower limit, but it depends on how Oda squeezes or lengthens things on the way.
Beyond those arcs, I expect quick visits to minor locations either within or between them, as part of their plots rather than separate stories. I'm counting among those Raijin (either before or after Mary Geoise), due to it being hyped before the timeskip and Roger visiting it despite knowing the locations of all Road Poneglyphs already, and Lodestar .
Just my two cents on what the roadmap may be.
PS.: Ignore the number of acts in Wano, this is an old post. COnsider Act 3 as what I expected for Acts 3 and 4, and Wano epilogue as what I called Act 5.
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I dont expect it to be entered as quickly, Ace had to wait from when he was caught in Banaro to Thriller Bark/Shabaody/Amazon Lily.
Luffy will be just one RP away from Laugh Tale, and time goes much slower within the series than to us.
That's supposedly going to be resolver within its last saga, whereas you seem to want it to happen in two separate sagas.
Well, Ace was like:
That's pretty much what we already got:
What's left? Wano Epilogue + we finding out what happened to Vivi, Sabo and the Warlords, then Luffy taking a decision based on it.