Yamato just has a crush on Oden, like Kaido does as well.
Mentor figure must be someone else.
Yamato just has a crush on Oden, like Kaido does as well.
Mentor figure must be someone else.
i can see a case for either. I mean sure on one hand it might feel shallow since he never knew the man personally, but on another hand it was the only window he had into the outside world for like a decade. So the impact it had on him was probably larger than the he read a book nature of their connection or whatever you want to call it would suggest
That just means Yamato has more insight into Oden, not that the connection is "deeper." It is still fairly surface level, just with a better understanding of who he was impersonally. The only thing Yamato has a leg up over the Red Scabbards is that she has far more understanding of his journey and travels.
He's the only person to have read his diary, how's that impersonal?
I agree that Yamato's relation to Oden is not mentor/mentee, and that it's one-sided. But the diary makes it a few steps above Bartolomeo and Luffy.
Bartolomeo worships Luffy because he looked cool in Logue Town. Yamato admires Oden, and Luffy, for his actual ideals.
Tbh I think there's a case to be made that both Carrot and Yamato will join.
For me, their fighting styles are very different from what we have among the current Strawhats. Carrot is a melee fighter with an emphasis on speed, acrobatics, and aerial attacks plus there's potential with electro. This is very different from Jinbe who's fighting style is centered around slower, more powerful attacks and underwater combat. This leaves Sanji being a jack of all trades. Kind of a white mage/black mage/red mage dynamic.
Yamato uses a blunt weapon. I always suspected we'd get another "sword" user but it had to be different from Zoro's hack n' slash combat and Brook's fencing. For a very long time I've thought we'd get someone that uses a blunt weapon and Yamato fits the bill. Also this is completely speculative but would anyone be shocked if she has her own 2-sword style version inspired by Oden? Yamato joining the crew with her 2-"sword" style in between Zoro's 3-sword style and Brook's 1-sword style makes a lot of sense. Also having 3 "sword" users fits a 3 Musketeers theme.
It's for these same reasons why I never saw someone like Kinemon joining, as he fighting almost the same as Zoro except for the fire attacks. And now Zoro stole that, so Kinemon adds nothing. Carrot and Yamato do however bring something new to the crew, at least combat wise.
I remember writing something about wanting to have a monster tamer / beast master joining earlier, so I had to look it up.
I think they will get 2 more members, since Brook is the 8th one to join proves that the ships and Vivi doesnt counts as crewmembers, and as everyone knows Luffy wants 10 crewmembers. However I can imagine it will be hard to give everyone of the members enough screen time and development and its feels like it just at it limit right now. Though I think Oda should be able to pull it of nicely.
I for one would like the crew to be completed when they are going in to the new world, just so that nobody joins too late and I think it will still be 10volumes + before they go to the New world and it would be something new to get 2 members at once as long as it doesnt feel too rushed.
As for the new crewmembers… I think it will be one woman and one man, and this time let the woman be "different". Back at Water 7 i always wanted a Flying fishwoman to join and to act as some sort of scout since she can both fly and swim and for fightning why not some kind of special fishman martial arts along with fishman gadgets.
And for the other one someone who fought with devilpowered items would be nice, almost like a beastmaster or a pokemontrainer with one or several items that has zoan powers.
OR another suggestion could be a logia user to join, however the power shouldnt be that strong, maybe like the weakest of the logias… A tree/plant logia would be something.
ABut the positions I think Oda will make up some that is important in the One piece world, like the archaeologist is.
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I got big cute blob for a fishman instead, and hopefully soon the ninja pokemon trainer
Also I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else but I remember someone mentioning that Kokoro, Chimney, and Gonbe at Going Merry's funeral being foreshadowing for future nakama. Kokoro (mermaid) being foreshadowing for Jinbe (fishman), Gonbe (rabbit) probably being foreshadowing for Carrot, maybe Chimney is foreshadowing for Tama or Yamato.
Also I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else but I remember someone mentioning that Kokoro, Chimney, and Gonbe at Going Merry's funeral being foreshadowing for future nakama. Kokoro (mermaid) being foreshadowing for Jinbe (fishman), Gonbe (rabbit) probably being foreshadowing for Carrot, maybe Chimney is foreshadowing for Tama or Yamato.
That makes no sense. Who would be foreshadowing Brook, who had not joined yet?
He's the only person to have read his diary, how's that impersonal?
I agree that Yamato's relation to Oden is not mentor/mentee, and that it's one-sided. But the diary makes it a few steps above Bartolomeo and Luffy.
Bartolomeo worships Luffy because he looked cool in Logue Town. Yamato admires Oden, and Luffy, for his actual ideals.
She read the diary of a person she's barely personally acquainted with. Compare that to Oden's actual bonds with all of his retainers.
That's my point.
She read the diary of a person she's barely personally acquainted with. Compare that to Oden's actual bonds with all of his retainers.
That's my point.
Do you know what a diary is? It's not a book meant to be published or revealed to the public, at least not while they're alive. There is stuff written there that Oden never talked about with his retainers, not just about his journey and what he found. There's also a layer of personality in the way he though to himself that's different to the way he talked to those close to him.
The relationship is one sided, no one is arguing against that, but it's a very peculiar relationship.
The scabbards and even young Momo have a direct knowledge of Oden, how he behaved, how he held a cup of tea, how his hugs felt, etc, but Yamato has some info on some thoughs of him that not even them got to hear. The scabbards just called him scum when he left his family in Wano to keep on searching for One Piece, only Yamato and Toki know/knew that he was hiding tears when he turned his back on Wano.
Maybe if Yamato was one of the Scabbards back then he would have called Oden scum too, because he wouldn't have been preevy to the struggle going on Oden's heart.
My point is that Yamato has a very personal relationship with Oden (you claiming he didn't is what lead me to reply to your post), and the Scabbards had a very personal relationship with Oden, but in different sides of the spectrum. There's not much point in trying measure them up because they're meant to complement each other.
When this arc is over Yamato will reveal something to the Scabbards about Oden and his action or thoughs that will bring tears to their eyes, while they shout at the heavens "What a fool of lord!" or something like that.
Reading Oden's thought does give Yamato a better perspective into who Oden was, but it still doesn't make him any closer to Oden than Bart was to Luffy. Bart also started following Luffy and all of the other SHs, their adventures, his relationship with Ace, etc. Knowing those things and seeing those things doesn't make Bart any closer to Luffy than the people who've actually met him. It's like reading an autobiography about someone and then saying that you have a close relationship with them.
That makes no sense. Who would be foreshadowing Brook, who had not joined yet?
The dying boat in front of them
I'll say it again, there are some things you can't know just by reading someone's diary. Though to be fair, there are likely things Yamato knows that, likewise, Momo and the Akazaya don't. But in the end, all that does is reaffirm Yamato's potential connection to the people of Wano, rather than to Luffy and the Straw Hats.
Haven’t all he Straw Hats had connections to people in the islands we met them in?
Except for Brook and Robin they all have, but they all decided to take the call for Adventure because it’s what they wanted more
Haven’t all he Straw Hats had connections to people in the islands we met them in?
Except for Brook and Robin they all have, but they all decided to take the call for Adventure because it’s what they wanted more
The difference is that Yamato thought he had no one but himself to live for and that Luffy was his one ticket out of there. He didn't count on Oden's kids and retainers still being alive, and Yamato has not yet reevaluated what he wants to do now that he knows the truth. I've also said this, but the choice between going with Luffy and staying with Momo is very real.
The difference is that Yamato thought he had no one but himself to live for and that Luffy was his one ticket out of there. He didn't count on Oden's kids and retainers still being alive, and Yamato has not yet reevaluated what he wants to do now that he knows the truth. I've also said this, but the choice between going with Luffy and staying with Momo is very real.
I’d still wager that Yamato goes out to sea when this is all done, with or without Luffy
I’d still wager that Yamato goes out to sea when this is all done, with or without Luffy
That's possible, too. And maybe the opening of Wano will call for people to go out to sea on its behalf. But more than anything, I think Yamato will want to be with people after being alone all those years. Could be Luffy, could be Momo, could be on the sea or in Wano.
I just don’t see how someone would go from “I’ve been imprisoned for 20 years now, always wishing to leave this godforsaken place and have my own adventures like my idol and all these other great people did. The person who was supposed to take me died two years ago, but his little brother who coincidentally is very similar to that man my idol followed is on his way and I’m waiting for him to come and take me”, to “Oh, my idol’s son is alive after all. I’m technically free now but I guess I should still stay and serve him for what will probably be the rest of my life since he has lived 20 years fewer than me and will most likely outlive me, so I will probably hardly ever leave the island after all.”
People seem to think that Yamato will feel some kind of duty/obligation to serve the Kozuki clan that makes him stay in Wano. But what Yamato idolizes so much about Oden is not his clan nor his claim as Kuri’s Daimyo or Wano’s Shogun nor his relationship with his retainers or family. On the contrary, everything about Oden that is not located in Wano is what Yamato idolizes; the adventures, the strong people he met, the unknown things he discovered for himself. That’s where his drive comes from. Those are the things Yamato is excited about and wants to do. If Yamato stays behind he sacrifices everything he ever desired, for what exactly? What is supposed to be the big payoff that is more important to him?
I like how Carrot has bonds and official positions but that does nothing to stop her.
But Yamato who has no bonds and holds no official positions, its somehow definitely staying back.
Lmao.
Also I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else but I remember someone mentioning that Kokoro, Chimney, and Gonbe at Going Merry's funeral being foreshadowing for future nakama. Kokoro (mermaid) being foreshadowing for Jinbe (fishman), Gonbe (rabbit) probably being foreshadowing for Carrot, maybe Chimney is foreshadowing for Tama or Yamato.
That makes no sense. Who would be foreshadowing Brook, who had not joined yet?
Oh, that. The theory/foreshadowing said that the "dying" Going Merry foreshadow Brook. The key is the death/dying part.
Funny thing is that the pet is a cat (with rabbit ear). So it can represent yamato if she has byakko, and the little girl can represent tama/carrot.
That makes no sense. Who would be foreshadowing Brook, who had not joined yet?
Brook was also foreshadowed too. But by CP9 mask. There are skeleton mask, ox mask, bear mask, birdy/feathery mask, normal mask
Skeleton - brook
Ox - franky
Bear - ?
Bird - ?
Normal mask - ?
Im someone who believe we get 13 crew with minks, skyfolk, and wano people in it. So i'd say that
Bird mask for sky folk
Bear mask for minks
Normal mask for human ( wano people)
And yes, I take it as foreshadowing because in this arc is filled with other foreshadowing too
Brook was also foreshadowed too. But by CP9 mask. There are skeleton mask, ox mask, bear mask, birdy/feathery mask, normal mask
Skeleton - brook
Ox - franky
Bear - ?
Bird - ?
Normal mask - ?Im someone who believe we get 13 crew with minks, skyfolk, and wano people in it. So i'd say that
Bird mask for sky folk
Bear mask for minks
Normal mask for human ( wano people)And yes, I take it as foreshadowing because in this arc is filled with other foreshadowing too
Fail to see where Jinbe falls on there.
Fail to see where Jinbe falls on there.
It's kokoro
Foreshadowing is meant to be confusing. The foreshadowing is always intended but not obvious. That's why people should not only trust one source
I just don’t see how someone would go from “I’ve been imprisoned for 20 years now, always wishing to leave this godforsaken place and have my own adventures like my idol and all these other great people did. The person who was supposed to take me died two years ago, but his little brother who coincidentally is very similar to that man my idol followed is on his way and I’m waiting for him to come and take me”, to “Oh, my idol’s son is alive after all. I’m technically free now but I guess I should still stay and serve him for what will probably be the rest of my life since he has lived 20 years fewer than me and will most likely outlive me, so I will probably hardly ever leave the island after all.”
I have a hard time seeing how Yamato stays on the island also. I believe that at some point he'll leave 100%. I just can't say that the only way he'll leave is as a SH. He just recently told Momo that he's willing to die for him. Now, let's assume that Kaido is defeated the next day in OP time. Would Yamato, after one day earlier saying that he's willing to die for Momo, suddenly feel like he can leave him after a statement like that? I don't know either, but it'll be interesting to see how Oda handles it. The more time they spend together, that harder I see them parting so soon.
Reading Oden's thought does give Yamato a better perspective into who Oden was, but it still doesn't make him any closer to Oden than Bart was to Luffy. Bart also started following Luffy and all of the other SHs, their adventures, his relationship with Ace, etc. Knowing those things and seeing those things doesn't make Bart any closer to Luffy than the people who've actually met him. It's like reading an autobiography about someone and then saying that you have a close relationship with them.
A diary is not an autobiography. A biography is something you write for others to read, a diary you write for yourself. Oden was inspired by logs of navigators long gone, so he could imagine that someday someone would read his, but the style is totally different. An autobiography is written in the past tense, I did this and that and felt something and that led me to X, a diary is in the present tense, I'm doing this and feeling this and I don't know where this is taking me.
And Bart read newspapper clippings, that's barely close to a biography, let alone an autobiography.
Yamato was like Bartolomeu when he saw Oda being executed but then he found his diary and got to know him. He's a few steps above Bart.
Yamato never said he had a close relationship with Oden, in fact he claimed he wanted to substitute Oden, he's perfectly aware that he never got to meet Oden but aspires to be as great as him because they share similar desires, so he feels close to him. Oden wanted to be free and travel the world, same as Yamato.
In this aspect he's actually closer to Luffy, who wants to be the new Pirate King, than Bartolomeo.
Bart worships Luffy because he saw his failed execution, he wants to follow Luffy, not be him. He doesn't feel close to him the same way Yamato feels close to Oden, Bart wants to be close to Luffy, not replace the void he left. He doesn't want to be Pirate King like Luffy does, he wants Luffy to be the Pirate King. But he's much luckier than Yamato, because he actually got to meet the legend he respects.
Yamato is privy to Oden's thoughts and feelings but unable to actually befriend him so he built a one-sided relationship, Bart is not privy to Luffy's thoughs but was actually able to befriend him and create a normal two sided relationship.
So I dont' see how you can claim that their relationships are similar besides the trigger event, witnessing an execution.
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I have a hard time seeing how Yamato stays on the island also. I believe that at some point he'll leave 100%. I just can't say that the only way he'll leave is as a SH. He just recently told Momo that he's willing to die for him. Now, let's assume that Kaido is defeated the next day in OP time. Would Yamato, after one day earlier saying that he's willing to die for Momo, suddenly feel like he can leave him after a statement like that? I don't know either, but it'll be interesting to see how Oda handles it. The more time they spend together, that harder I see them parting so soon.
Nami also though that after freeing the island from Arlong she would stay there and live in peace, but ended up "running away" to be a pirate.
Franky fought to stay in Water 7 but those who loved him forced him to go and have a great adventure.
Any of those possibilities can happen.
Yamato can "run away" from his responsibilities like Oden did, or Momo can just order him to go and be a pirate and maybe one day comeback just to give an update on the outside world.
Well if Oda does take popularity polls into account Yamato will definitely be sailing with the crew or meet up with them again soon
Not saying he’ll join, just that he’ll find a reason for him to be around, like with Law and Marco
Again I really want a Logia user to join, it’ll just really tick off my OCD if we have all df types except Logia, similar to how it annoy’s me when Goku goes through all his transformations but then skips one in the middle like SSJ3, I can’t stand that
A diary is not an autobiography. A biography is something you write for others to read, a diary you write for yourself. Oden was inspired by logs of navigators long gone, so he could imagine that someday someone would read his, but the style is totally different. An autobiography is written in the past tense, I did this and that and felt something and that led me to X, a diary is in the present tense, I'm doing this and feeling this and I don't know where this is taking me.
And Bart read newspapper clippings, that's barely close to a biography, let alone an autobiography.
An autobiography is an account of a person's life written by that person. Whether they wrote them while events happened or years later, their thoughts, dreams, and feelings were still theirs. If you read the autobiography of a famous leader, would you feel like you suddenly had a relationship with them? I doubt it. You'd most likely feel like you had a better understanding of who they were and what made them tick, which was my point. Yamato would have a much better idea of who Oden was and what made him tick, but that doesn't mean that there was some type of relationship between them any more than you would have if you read someone's autobiography (or even their journal).
I mentioned Bart because he's the closest analog to Yamato. Someone who admired someone else from afar and had that person become their inspiration. It's just that Bart was able to meet his inspiration and form an actual relationship with him. Yamato can never have that. It's not meant as a knock against him, I'm just saying the talk about him having a relationship with Oden is way too presumptuous. As far as we know, Oden didn't even know that Yamato existed. You can't have a relationship if 1) you've never interacted and 2) the other person doesn't even know you exist. I can't even say that Yamato knows more about Oden than his vassals at this point. Let's just wait and see where things go. Oda might have more backstory to tell for Yamato, which could in fact establish a better link than just a journal.
I am amazed that people still doubt Yamato joining
As much as I think he will, it's definitely not 100% set in stone. What's missing for me is Yamato's transformation and more light shed on his relationship with his father (i.e. flashback, if Kaidou now accepts Yamato identifying as male/Oden or why he calls him his son). If those fit then I'm convinced
Yamato does not have yet what it takes to be a crewmate. He has the potentital to get that covered, but for now he can just as well end up as an ally, either forming his own crew or remaining in Wano for whatever reason.
I wonder if Yamato's mother will appear in the story (maybe flashback?). She could take the role of Yamato's dead(?) mentor
O-Tama right there killing the 'Yamato is gon be the new leader of the Beast Pirates' option.
Tama doing what we all knew she was going to do in this war. Granted, it's still adorable. Can't be mad at it.
I wonder if Yamato's mother will appear in the story (maybe flashback?). She could take the role of Yamato's dead(?) mentor
I forget who made the theory, but there was a theory that before Jack was the current third calamity, there was someone before him, since he's the same age as Yamato and it could potentially be Yamato's mom/Kaido's wife/lover. Now, I don't know about the calamity being Yamato's mom, but it'd be interesting to see who that would be during the flashback, if at all.
An autobiography is an account of a person's life written by that person. Whether they wrote them while events happened or years later, their thoughts, dreams, and feelings were still theirs. If you read the autobiography of a famous leader, would you feel like you suddenly had a relationship with them? I doubt it. You'd most likely feel like you had a better understanding of who they were and what made them tick, which was my point. Yamato would have a much better idea of who Oden was and what made him tick, but that doesn't mean that there was some type of relationship between them any more than you would have if you read someone's autobiography (or even their journal).
I mentioned Bart because he's the closest analog to Yamato. Someone who admired someone else from afar and had that person become their inspiration. It's just that Bart was able to meet his inspiration and form an actual relationship with him. Yamato can never have that. It's not meant as a knock against him, I'm just saying the talk about him having a relationship with Oden is way too presumptuous. As far as we know, Oden didn't even know that Yamato existed. You can't have a relationship if 1) you've never interacted and 2) the other person doesn't even know you exist. I can't even say that Yamato knows more about Oden than his vassals at this point. Let's just wait and see where things go. Oda might have more backstory to tell for Yamato, which could in fact establish a better link than just a journal.
We've just entered semantics so feel free to stop at any time.
Anne Frank doesn't have an autobiography, she's has a diary. The rest of the world distinguishes the concept for palpable reasons.
When you write your memoirs, that's what you're writing, a story, something that has happend long ago and you had time to think about the best way to tell that story, which parts to bring attention to. Similar to a newspaper piece, trying to present all the facts in the best possible manner. It's and indirect conversation.
When you write a journal or diary you're having a daily conversation with your self, you're not telling a story. You're talking about how you felt that specific day. It's the same as reading direct correspondece, the facts are not organized. It's a direct conversation.
And I know it's an oxymoron but I've said ONE SIDED RELATIONSHIP half a douzen times.
Yamato read "personal correspondence" from Oden, and he's the only one to do so, it's normal for him to develop a ONE SIDED RELATIONSHIP where he can't talk to his friend but his friend can confide in him, specially when he doesn't seem to have friends in his fathers crew. That's the only person he knows about with the same desire to break free from Wano and see the world.
Bart had friends and was not isolated from the world and has a caring grandma. He happend to see the Beattles emerge early in their career (Luffy in Loguetown) and decided to follow him like a groupie. He didn't even want to be a pirate or had any desire to leave Logue Town and be anything more than a thug, he doesn't share the same dream as Luffy.
What Yamato feels for Oden is completly different than what Bart feels for Luffy.
Oh wow, Tama sure contributes alot huh.. meanwhile one of the candidates is STILL missing
We've just entered semantics so feel free to stop at any time.
Anne Frank doesn't have an autobiography, she's has a diary. The rest of the world distinguishes the concept for palpable reasons.
When you write your memoirs, that's what you're writing, a story, something that has happend long ago and you had time to think about the best way to tell that story, which parts to bring attention to. Similar to a newspaper piece, trying to present all the facts in the best possible manner. It's and indirect conversation.
When you write a journal or diary you're having a daily conversation with your self, you're not telling a story. You're talking about how you felt that specific day. It's the same as reading direct correspondece, the facts are not organized. It's a direct conversation.And I know it's an oxymoron but I've said ONE SIDED RELATIONSHIP half a douzen times.
Yamato read "personal correspondence" from Oden, and he's the only one to do so, it's normal for him to develop a ONE SIDED RELATIONSHIP where he can't talk to his friend but his friend can confide in him, specially when he doesn't seem to have friends in his fathers crew. That's the only person he knows about with the same desire to break free from Wano and see the world.Bart had friends and was not isolated from the world and has a caring grandma. He happend to see the Beattles emerge early in their career (Luffy in Loguetown) and decided to follow him like a groupie. He didn't even want to be a pirate or had any desire to leave Logue Town and be anything more than a thug, he doesn't share the same dream as Luffy.
What Yamato feels for Oden is completly different than what Bart feels for Luffy.
It's not semantics, though. You're saying that Yamato had a one-sided relationship, but by it's very definition, a one-sided relationship would still require you to have at least met the other person at some point. My point is the word "relationship" shouldn't be used when describing Yamato's connection to Oden because of what a relationship (one-sided or otherwise) requires. Being able to read Oden's personal journal doesn't make him any closer to Oden. It gives him a better understand of who he was and what he experienced. Yes, that might arguably give him a better insight into who Oden was. Maybe even more0 than anyone else alive (except for Momo now that he has it), but it doesn't mean that Oden and Yamato had any kind of connection besides Yamato reading his journal. At this point, I'd simply say that Yamato idolizes Oden. Same with Bart and Luffy. Until they actually met, Bart had no relationship with Luffy whatsoever, regardless of how closely he followed him. Even if he read a journal of Luffy's, it still wouldn't have made him any closer either. It just would've given him a better perspective of who the person was hat he idolized.
I’m just looking forward to seeing Yamato in hybrid form
Tama might want to see the new and improved Wano. The pirate life seems like an afterthought now.
LOL @ anyone saying Yamato is going to stay on Wano for any reason. It's like you're purposely not paying attention to the story.
That's the last thing that will happen. You'd be better off saying Yamato will die fighting her/his father.
Even with the possibility of Yamato remaining in Wano being a decreasing one, the possibility still exist. I recognise that and at the moment I have no issue with others doubting Yamato being a potential Straw Hat Pirate because of that possibility.
Yamato's story has not been fully defined yet which leaves Yamato with many potential directions they could go as this arc develops and heads into its conclusion. What is clear though is that Oda has made considerable effort to focus and highlight Yamato's desire for freedom and to head out to sea and adventure. Such set up from my viewpoint won't be for nothing.
Yamato is leaving Wano once the borders are open. Yamato also doesn't have to feel guilty leaving Momonosuke in Wano because their separation won't be permanent. Yamato will eventually return to Wano. Yamato meeting Momonosuke and spending time with him will only further inspire Yamato to pursue their dream.
Yamato feels like an unnecessary addition to the story to me
You can see right now how quickly goals and amibtions can change in the case of Tama, so I think it's a bit bold to say Yamato won't have a similiar change of heart. And I wouldn't even call it that, his interpretation of freedom and adventure might simply adjust (in the sense that he will work towards that goal together with Momo for all the Wanoese, not pack his bag and leave first chance - and yes I know, that's what Oden originally did).
Imo the Tama/Yamato as Momo's fresh Scabbards-plot thickened even more as of this chapter. Of course I would prefer Yamato to travel with the Straw Hats instead, if only because I don't want him to be stuck with these two creepy kids and their slightly less creepy bodyguard woman, but if you ask me it's pointing more and more in that direction with every passing chapter.
Momonosuke, heir of the Kozuki line
Yamato, the son of Kaido
Tama, a Kurozomi (potentially / likely)
This lineup would be a strong sign that the circle of hatred and revenge is broken, everyone is represented in the new era of Wano.
You can see right now how quickly goals and amibtions can change in the case of Tama, so I think it's a bit bold to say Yamato won't have a similiar change of heart. And I wouldn't even call it that, his interpretation of freedom and adventure might simply adjust (in the sense that he will work towards that goal together with Momo for all the Wanoese, not pack his bag and leave first chance - and yes I know, that's what Oden originally did).
There's a difference between an 8-year-old's goals and an 8-year-old who keeps holding on to that same goal for 20 years patiently waiting for someone to finally aid them
There's a difference between an 8-year-old's goals and an 8-year-old who keeps holding on to that same goal for 20 years patiently waiting for someone to finally aid them
No, there's actually not that much of a difference.
Tama had kept the same goal for 4 years, and had to suffer more than necessary for it too.
The difference is that know she knows Ace is dead, and is not coming back.
But just a few chapters ago, she found out Luffy's is Ace's brother and this took place after last chapter's flashback, it would only be natural if her old goal of joining ace's crew transfers to luffy's crew instead.
No, there's actually not that much of a difference.
Tama had kept the same goal for 4 years, and had to suffer more than necessary for it too.
The difference is that know she knows Ace is dead, and is not coming back.
But just a few chapters ago, she found out Luffy's is Ace's brother and this took place after last chapter's flashback, it would only be natural if her old goal of joining ace's crew transfers to luffy's crew instead.
I was referring to the fickleness of goals/ambitions, how Tama’s quickly changed somehow. What I meant to say was that I would generally expect an 8-yo.’s goals to change much more quickly than an 28-yo.’s who has held on to them for two decades. They don’t have to change as you said is the case with Tama, just that for most children it wouldn’t be uncommon that their ambitions are much more volatile.
But I agree that her goal of joining Ace’s crew transferred to Luffy’s just like it did for Yamato.
How many characters do you guys think will join the Straw Hats in adventuring to the next island? I’m not talking about as a crewmate. I mean Law has already found a reason to continue following the straw Hats, to find out what the will of D is
Who knows maybe more characters like Kidd, Killer, and Marco will follow, even if Yamato doesn’t join as a crew member I could still see her sailing with the Straw Hats
I was personally looking forward to more heavy focus on the crew and less side characters but now that we know Law will most likely continue to follow them I wouldn’t be surprised if more characters do, especially with how popular Marco, Yamato and Carrot are
Hopefully no one. just the strawhats.
Hopefully no one. just the strawhats.
I would personally love this, I’m just not certain it will happen
I'd definitely love a nice breaking off point soon: the crew hasn't had time strictly for themselves since they left Fishman Island. It'd probably give Toei some much needed breathing room as well, since it's gotten increasingly impossible to fit the filler and movies into any one place in the timeline.
Wano is the culmination of so many plot threads introduced since Punk Hazard, so the cast should be drastically reduced. The greatest party that Luffy wants will most likely address this with a parting of ways. To know who is going to continue traveling with the Strawhats, it's good to address who has been traveling with them up to this point.
Firstly, Yamato is traveling with the Strawhats, period. There may be a small possibility that he stays on Wano with Momo or the BP, but why? Momo has nine scabbards already (ten if you count Shinobu), the two literally just met and have no personal relationship, and when they met everything Yamato spoke about led to Ace and Luffy. Yes, there's the whole "I would die for you!" line, but Luffy would die for Momo too if Momo was in danger, and no one is saying Luffy would be a retainer. Yamato is acting directly under Luffy's orders to protect Momo, so there's no sense ignoring Yamato's previous statements to fit some agenda. No way does Yamato choose to head the BP, a group complicit with Kaido's abuse of him, nor are there any BP that are redeemable like Katakuri or Pudding. No one is developing a bond with any of the BP like Luffy and Sanji did with Big Mom's crew. Yamato has not left Onigashima since the age of eight, so he has no experience sailing or navigating, and any solo expedition would end exactly as Oden's did. Yamato also needs to go to several locations the Strawhats are already going, at the very least Ace's grave (closure) and Laugh Tale (to see what Oden saw). Oda would have to dramatically shift the narrative around Yamato to make him staying in Wano believable (Oden's "It's too restrictive!"), but everything points to Luffy being his ticket out, just like Whitebeard was for Oden.
Law is definitely a possibility, but his crew is in Onigashima, so he will most likely be a rendezvous at or just before Laugh Tale. The plot of his alliance with Luffy is nearing its conclusion once Kaido is down, and there is little motivation for him to sail with them personally. He has declared his will to learn about the Will of D, so we will see him before the final war.
Momo is staying in Wano as shogun. How big of a slap in the face would it be for the people of Wano to overthrow Kaido and Orochi just for Momo to pull an Oden and abandon them? His speeches in Udon, the port, and Onigashima are all evidence that he is viewed as a man by Luffy, which is all the justification he needs. He has already sailed the sea and seen the world. He will be a Vivi, an honorary Strawhat, but ultimately choose his duty and his people.
Kinemon, and by extension the other scabbards, will stay in Wano as Momo's retainers. Their loyalty to Oden extends to his family, so they're a lock to stay with Momo and Hiyori.
Tama is staying in Wano to be the personification of Momo's leadership. She may have wanted to travel with Ace, but she has not expressed in any way a desire to sail with Luffy. That could change, but this chapter seems to shift her desire to seeing Momo as shogun. Without the threat of Kaido or Orochi, her desire to leave drastically reduces.
Carrot is a maybe at best, and she only leaves as a new nakama. She started as a stowaway who begged Pedro to let her stay on the Sunny, and it was only when Luffy said it was fine was she allowed. Yet she never felt like she had any skin in the game. She stowed away under the assumption the trip would only last half a day, called it her first sleepover, so she never felt dedicated to the cause. The tragedy with Pedro certainly helped in this regard, but her conflict always feels tertiary to the main conflict because she never seems indebted to Luffy like each of the Strawhats do. If Oda had made Jack the villain of Zou, given any emotional focus to Carrot about the tragedy, and let Luffy beat Jack like your typical pre-TS Kreig or Arlong, then Carrot would have been nakama then and there in Zou. Instead, her plot has dragged on for a little too long without development, her conflict this arc has nothing to do with Luffy's, and she has important ties to her people through Wanda especially. Could she declare at the party she wants to continue sailing or stow-a-way again? Of course. Luffy will never say no. But Oda's treatment of her feels more plot oriented than character driven (showing off sulong early to hype it up for Wano, being an emotional tether to Pedro to make the death more impactful, etc.). She's possible, but only as Strawhat, and as of now I don't see her path when Yamato is essentially overtaking all her potential screentime. It's been nearly 10 chapters since we've seen her. It'd be so easy to update us on her situation, even just a panel like Jinbei, but nothing. Just a plot device to separate Marco and Perospero.
Marco is an outside shot, if only to be the person to lead Luffy (and Yamato) to Ace's grave. Luffy as of yet has not had any formal closure to this, and even Sabo has been to Ace's grave. It's not necessary to go, but Marco seems like a wasted potential in this arc otherwise. He could always just give them a vivre card instead. Note: if Tama comes along, this will be important for her too.
Any others are a big no. Kid is not following Luffy, but he could be a foil to Luffy in Shanks's arc for revenge against the Yonko. So we're seeing a vastly reduced cast after Wano of a complete Strawhat crew (either Yamato or Carrot) with a possible Law and/or Marco tag-a-long.