Chapter 901: Even If You Die, Don't Die!!!
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Thanks so muchchchchchchchchcch
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Capone breathes a sigh of relief finally.
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Yeah Wadatsumi swapping the ship is pretty far fetched but the framing of the chapter was that the Sun Pirates were doing everything they could to help the strawhats. Made it work for me.
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Where is sanji? (edit: he appear at page
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Well, this chapter…
On its own, this chapter was pretty enjoyable to read… if not for a little sin. I hate what Oda has done with the now fake cliffhanger from last chapter. Although I admit that this solution isn’t the most incoherent between the many theories that people formulated for Sunny’s shipwreck being an illusion, this just feels deceitful nonetheless. Btw, just to clarify something, I didn’t believe the Sunny was actually destroyed beyond repair. My assumption was that the damage was real, but it would be repaired by Franky in Wano after the escape, whichever the means for such. So my dissatisfaction is not with Sunny’s survival. The problem lies elsewhere.
Chapter 900 had a clear meaning to me: a beautiful juxtaposition of Big Mom’s euphoria while the Strawhats’ alliance was being oppressed by her forces, which culminated in the final climax with Sunny’s bombardment (even if nobody would actually die, of course). The flag floating on the sea had the symbolic meaning of defeat. The narrative had the tone of despair. That was awesome and enough for me. But is it the same now that nothing actually happened to the Sunny? Not that I think chapter 900 was filler, since it had progression and some consequences, but it loses half the reason that justifies its artistic tone and appeal. It’s not completely void of its meaning now or something that extreme, of course, but it loses punch in retrospect. A bitter taste, not sweet, milky and rich. Definitely RISKY tough, lol.
Despite not being technically invalid that Wadatsumi had switched the ships, it’s hard to understand from whose perspective this happened without the readers having to see the truth. It’s not like the illustration came from the perspective of a particular character that was fooled (therefore also fooling the readers). On the contrary, the perspective was neutral, narrated from the third person, with two different takes from opposite sides. Then we have the artistic choice of showing us the flag floating in the sea. All I can understand is that we’re watching things from the author’s perspective, telling us the facts from an impersonal and dramatic perspective…. that just happened to be a fraud for artistic reasons, I guess.
This was not the first time Oda has done something like this and it wouldn’t be as bad if not for the excellence of chapter 900. It’s like a personal highlight of the whole series being diminished. That’s a pity. Only that. Otherwise I wouldn’t be so frustrated by this kind of trickery.
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The art helped a lot, I liked the full chapter. So the Straw Hats escape within like 1-2 chapters imo, the unresolved stuff is put on hold til Elbaf where it's more appropriate to tie up. I can still see a switch to Reverie after this chapter.
To be clear, by unresolved stuff, I think we're still getting more with Streusen, Caramel, etc.
Croc or Enel would never.Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
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Glad to see Bege is on his way out, even with his ship destroyed.
I will say that the Jimbei situation played out a bit better than I thought it was going to from the spoilers. But at the same time, the Jimbei fan in me is still upset.
While the Strawhats are pretty much guaranteed a stress free escape now, there is still the resolution of Pekoms' betrayal, Germa's fate, and Pudding's words to Sanji to still be resolved.
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Big Mom technically did faint, but not for long. She probably would have done the same thing even if the cake wasn't as good to be honest.
With the actual chapter out, Jinbei's deathflag doesn't really feel changed for the worse.
Big
MomNews Morgans loves Luffy more than Big Mom ahaha.I still dig the cover story more tho. :wub:
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the fuck year of sanji
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While the Strawhats are pretty much guaranteed a stress free escape now, there is still the resolution of Pekoms' betrayal, Germa's fate, and Pudding's words to Sanji to still be resolved.
I doubt it's gonna be stress free. Big Mom is on her way now, and I wouldn't be surprised, seeing how this arc has gone so far, that she makes up the distance and somehow one shots the fishmen, getting to the Sunny before they can escape. This could potentially lead to another cliffhanger chapter ending, which extends this arc again.
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Regarding Jimbe’s situation, I’m pretty okay with the current developments and the whole strife was well written. My conviction is that Jimbe is already a crewmember and this fact can’t be more explicit than Luffy’s words in this chapter calling himself Jimbe’s captain. If Jimbe’s not tagging along right now, it’s because there’re plot reasons, for good of bad, so we just have to hope that the pay off will be exciting.
My theory is that Jimbe will join the crew a little after the Reverie. Why? Just hear me out. One of the Reverie’s plotlines revolves around Neptune asking to the World Government for his people to move to an island in the sea surface. Obviously, something will go wrong and the fishmens’ hope will be shread into smithereens. Then, aware of this fact by the newspapers, Jimbe will arrive at Wano and he’ll ask help from his captain, claiming his dream of protecting his race and giving them better days, a task worth of the Pirate King.
Sounds pretty decent, right?
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sad sanji and now come to the real year of zoro. hahaha
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Sorry, if I post this again (cause I already did in the Spoiler 901-thread), but it doesn't happen often, that such a random idea of
mine actually became true:
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=49026&page=15&p=3878862&viewfull=1#post3878862that post pretty much nailed down what happened (well, at least the first half. the enel-Thing was too good to happen).
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Great chapter, the ship switch is kinda cheap way to resolve the cliffhanger but the overall chapter is great.
BUT GODAMMIT JINBE!! HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO TEASE ME UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY JOIN?!
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Is this the first time we've seen Moscato since the start of the arc?
I'm surprised BM is back up so soon. I thought it would have been plausible for her to actually be out of commission for the rest of the arc.
Looking back at Chapter 900, I'm assuming Luffy was just pointing at the Chanter. No idea how blind the BM Pirates are to not see the ships being switched in real time. This sours 900 to some extent.
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So will BM reach them, or does she just have the chance to shout something to them next chapter…otherwise this arc seems over.
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Good chapter. I'm fine with that explanation and the interaction between Luffy and Jinbe was great.
Jinbe leaving his former crew behind would have been out of character.
Speaking of that, I feel that Sanji's lack of screentime is a bit odd. Unless something happens next week that will make the Vinsmoke escape seem realistic, it would be odd to see Sanji being fine leaving his family behind in that particular situation.
Not expecting him to stay back of course but at least show us that he's worried about them.Besides that, I think that it was a weirdly random way to confirm that she didn't really kill her son. It seemed obvious that it was possible to put back extracted soul on someone but I didn't expect to have confirmation like that.
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I felt that the chapter read a LOT better than the spoilers made it sound. Still though, I feel like something was missing this chapter. My biggest gripe is the fact that the cake only seemed to strengthen Big Mom, which seems to, in my opinion, reduce Sanji's impact this arc. However, part of me likes the fact that she simply tanked his taste, because she is an Emperor after all. I don't want BM, or Kaido, or BB to be nerfed. I like how Oda shows that they are truly powerful beings that will take everything to beat. This makes me feel conflicted, as I wanted the cake to do something to Big Mom, yet it seemed to do nothing.
All in all, I feel like with the exception of this chapter, WCI has been great.
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So will BM reach them, or does she just have the chance to shout something to them next chapter…otherwise this arc seems over.
Seeing how this arc has gone, I would not be surprised if she reaches them.
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Now it all depends on Pudding. If at all, only Pudding can stop BM right now from hunting Luffy.
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Jimbe is already a SHs, bless the man if he doesn't want his former crew to die off.
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Well, this chapter…
On its own, this chapter was pretty enjoyable to read… if not for a little sin. I hate what Oda has done with the now fake cliffhanger from last chapter. Although I admit that this solution isn’t the most incoherent between the many theories that people formulated for Sunny’s shipwreck being an illusion, this just feels deceitful nonetheless.
The problem is that Oda deliberately had Oven remove the fishmen from the equation. So having them come back anyways feels like a cop out.
Purely coincidence
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Not really sure what to think about this chapter.
Positives: Gerth. Also, Wadatsumi's declaration was great. I actually care about a Fishman Island antagonist now!
Honestly, even though the ship destruction fakeout and Wadatsumi's rescue was a pretty safe route to go, I did really like how it segued into the whole sentiment of the Sun Pirates taking on the BMPs to let the Straw Hats escape. But as for Jinbe…he's the reason why I'm not sold on an opinion yet. Part of me is really frustrated that we have to wait longer for him to join the crew in full, and of course this is going to fan the flames of death predictions all over again. However, I'm intrigued by what possible implications there are for his possible arrival later into the Wano arc. When he gets to Wano, he's going to bring some kind of baggage from Big Mom along and I am quite interested in what that will be. And to be fair, the moment where he officially takes up arms as a Straw Hat will have more weight if he does it with all of them, in my opinion.
Also LOL on Moscato.
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Everything about that Wadatsumi thing was just too far past the willing suspension of disbelief. Suddenly Oven just conveniently stopped doing his thing for them to pull that switch, and we don't even get any hint as to that's what happened last chapter and it has to be explained like a magic trick after it's already been done. It's sloppy and unsatisfying. Then add the whole Jinbe thing to the mix and that leads to this being a very disappointing chapter where the best thing is the cover page. Whatever, at least this gets the Straw Hats out of there and now all they have to deal with is Big Mom wanting Luffy's soul, good luck with that. Wondering how much closure Germa will get this arc.
Steam | Battle.net: FelRes#1963
＼（゜∀゜　）　TSUKAME PURAIDO !
＼（　｀ー´）TSUKAME SUCCESS !
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My conviction is that Jimbe is already a crewmember and this fact can’t be more explicit than Luffy’s words in this chapter calling himself Jimbe’s captain.
Could you please tell that to Oda? Because He's annoying me with his obstinate refusal to include him in the colour spreads.
Purely coincidence
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Everything about that Wadatsumi thing was just too far past the willing suspension of disbelief. Suddenly Oven just conveniently stopped doing his thing for them to pull that switch, and we don't even get any hint as to that's what happened last chapter and it has to be explained like a magic trick after it's already been done. It's sloppy and unsatisfying. Then add the whole Jinbe thing to the mix and that leads to this being a very disappointing chapter where the best thing is the cover page. Whatever, at least this gets the Straw Hats out of there and now all they have to deal with is Big Mom wanting Luffy's soul, good luck with that. Wondering how much closure Germa will get this arc.
To be fair, while I don't really like the fakeout, Wadatsumi does mention how the water is hot. So it's possible he went below where it was cold, took a "deep breath" so to speak, then rose up into the boiling water quickly to swap the ships then back down to the cold water.
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Why does Wadatsumi need to switch the ships anyways? Why not just pull the Sunny underwater and out of danger?
Purely coincidence
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Could you please tell that to Oda? Because He's annoying me with his obstinate refusal to include him in the colour spreads.
He's just teasing with the last colorspread. There's that one from the popularity poll that the Strawhats weren't drawn… as well as Jimbe, the 6th place.
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Why does Wadatsumi need to switch the ships anyways? Why not just pull the Sunny underwater and out of danger?
The hope was to fakeout the Big Mom Pirates, if you don't have some ship get destroyed, then they'll immediately notice something happened. Unfortunately for Wadatsumi and co., the BMP figured it out after the smoke cleared. But, it was at least worth a chance of trying.
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The problem is that Oda deliberately had Oven remove the fishmen from the equation. So having them come back anyways feels like a cop out.
Kinda, but I never saw that as the end of the fishmen participation in this escape. I just think Oda could have been more clever not showing especifically Wadatsumi swimming away.
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Why does Wadatsumi need to switch the ships anyways? Why not just pull the Sunny underwater and out of danger?
They were trying to fake out BM's crew. It's funny, because I had thought of the possibility of them faking their deaths. Unfortunately her crew immediately caught on to the ruse.
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Why does Wadatsumi need to switch the ships anyways? Why not just pull the Sunny underwater and out of danger?
I think the reasoning is to fool the Big Mom Pirates and try to gain some time to flee.
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Pretty enjoyable chapter. There was no perfect solution to a cliffhanger as big as the last one, but Wadatsumi worked better in practice than I might have guessed from the spoilers. I'm a little sad Jinbe couldn't come with the crew now, but what a send off the Sun Pirates are getting. Having the first page seemingly jump forward a few minutes to Big Mom being done eating and lying down as well as getting a quick refersher on the situation increases my confidence that this will be the start of volume 90. It's a better page to come back in on after a break than the first page of the last chapter.
One thing I've enjoyed about Tottoland in general is Luffy's character development. I remember waaaaay back when Fishman Island was coming out people were questioning his new "I can save everyone" attitude, comparing it to the sentiments he expressed to Vivi back in Alabasta. Luffy seemed overconfident going into the new world, but he's had a few reality checks since then. He's been unable to keep Dressrosa from being destroyed, seen Law get utterly annihilated, been manipulated into knocking down Bellamy with his own hands. Dressrosa was a win for Luffy, but it was also a learning experience. Tottoland's Luffy is working with a much more realistic attitude towards sacrifices and casualties than Fishman Island's Luffy. He chose to push forward and use Pedro's sacrifice instead of trying to avenge him in a rage. He accepted Pekoms offer to buy him time by fighting until he died of exhaustion in his sulong form without question, and now this. There's a delicate mix of trusting Jinbe to take care of himself and accepting that Jinbe is doing something absolutely necessary by putting his life on the line at play in their final exchange. Our boy's grown quite a bit over the years.
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To be fair, while I don't really like the fakeout, Wadatsumi does mention how the water is hot. So it's possible he went below where it was cold, took a "deep breath" so to speak, then rose up into the boiling water quickly to swap the ships then back down to the cold water.
Yes, but then why have Oven boil out the fishman pirates at all last chapter. That was supposed to keep them out of the situation but ultimately was pointless since the guy who was shown leaving the scene is now shown to have gone back without any hint. Oven may as well have walked into the scene this chapter to do his thing after Wadatsumi swapped the ships.
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The problem is that Oda deliberately had Oven remove the fishmen from the equation. So having them come back anyways feels like a cop out.
LOL, it's not like Oven kill them all. He heated up the ocean, they flee to a cold area and return. It's not like all the entire are will be hot, and it's just a matter of time before the heated area start to cool down. Christ, ocean is massive you know.
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Not bad, again I can respect that Oda didn't go with the halluction theory, though geeze that switch was pretty split-second that even with the nonsense this series pulls, even I'm having a hard time beliving it. But eh it works and they're alive that's all that matters.
Sucks that Jinbe joining again had to be put off, but I do like the exchange between Luffy and him, it all but acknowledges that he pretty much IS in the crew. So yeah least that something to look forward to. Betcha he's going pull another rescue in Wano, I just know it.
That said, I want this chase to be over with already. Everything has been accomplished, why is it still going. Are we sincerly going to confront Big Mom near the finish line one last time. Has Sanji put in a secert ingredient that'll knock her out completely? Or are they just going to plow on through, I mean..they're kinda running out of deus ex machnias here.
Get nuts or go crazy trying.
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On a more detail-oriented criticism, it seems the Sun Pirates' ship had already been destroyed before: https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/623/11
However I'd say that any excuse could be given to how they fixed the ship later and yadda yadda yadda.
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Yes, but then why have Oven boil out the fishman pirates at all last chapter. That was supposed to keep them out of the situation but ultimately was pointless since the guy who was shown leaving the scene is now shown to have gone back without any hint. Oven may as well have walked into the scene this chapter to do his thing after Wadatsumi swapped the ships.
I don't think it was completely useless for Oven to do that the first time. I kind of see it as a small act of bravery from Wadatsumi, he knew this was gonna be hard to do, and yet he still did it. Plus, if you think about it, it's just a counterattack to Oven's counter, which is kind of what war is. You use the attacks you know work best, and see what the result is, then adjust. Which both Wadatsumi and Oven did, I find it more "realistic" (if anything can be called that in One Piece) that it happened that way, then Oven just using the attack once.
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Did Gerth remind anyone else of an early Nami drawing?=
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is that Moscato? because he should be dead.
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On a lighter note, I must say that Big Mom is the most stylish pirate ever. Her Jet Ski homie is the best, lol.
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On a lighter note, I must say that Big Mom is the most stylish pirate ever. Her Jet Ski homie is the best, lol.
How the hell are they going to escape when Big Mom is up, happy, and healthy? Most underrated part of this chapter.
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LOL, it's not like Oven kill them all. He heated up the ocean, they flee to a cold area and return. It's not like all the entire are will be hot, and it's just a matter of time before the heated area start to cool down. Christ, ocean is massive you know.
I know they weren't dead. But last chapter gave the impression that they couldn't operate in the area around the ship anymore.
Purely coincidence
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How the hell are they going to escape when Big Mom is up, happy, and healthy? Most underrated part of this chapter.
There's a scene some chapter ago about how Capone was not stoping at Liquor Island, but going further to Puffs Island in order to leave Big Mom far away from Cacao Island and the Strawhats. I suppose that's how we know Big Mom won't at arrive in time to capture make a difference regarding this escape, at least for the Strawhats.
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is that Moscato? because he should be dead.
ours probably his twin brother macchiatoThe removal of my entire lifespan? 'Tis but a flesh wound!
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I know they weren't dead. But last chapter gave the impression that they couldn't operate in the area around the ship anymore.
A little misleading, but I wouldn't call this a mistake.
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Where is sanji? (edit: he appear at page
What means even if you die, don't die?It's just a saying in Japanese which basically means (definitely) Do not die!
I don't care even if you die, you better get your ass back here sort of meaning.
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Everything about that Wadatsumi thing was just too far past the willing suspension of disbelief. Suddenly Oven just conveniently stopped doing his thing for them to pull that switch, and we don't even get any hint as to that's what happened last chapter and it has to be explained like a magic trick after it's already been done. It's sloppy and unsatisfying.
Oven was still doing it though, Wadatsumi had to go through the pain of the heat to do the switch.
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I know they weren't dead. But last chapter gave the impression that they couldn't operate in the area around the ship anymore.
They couldn't operate because water is hot, but how long will it take a section of hot sea to cool down when surrounded by cold sea?
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There's a scene some chapter ago about how Capone was not stoping at Liquor Island, but going further to Puffs Island in order to leave Big Mom far away from Cacao Island and the Strawhats. I suppose that's how we know Big Mom won't at arrive in time to capture make a difference regarding this escape, at least for the Strawhats.
That is possible, quite a good point. That still leaves the question of a) what happens to the Fishmen, b) what happens to Germa, and most importantly c) if the Straw Hats escape Totto Land and head to Wano, there's no way that Big Mom just lets them go, so they're going to have the BMP on their tails.
Does that mean that we'll see both crews at Wano? Will the Straw Hats somehow find a way to make the BMP lose their tail? Not sure, personally I'd prefer the BMP get dealt with by themselves at Elbaf, and leave Wano to only the Beast Pirates. What do you think?
