@zeltrax225:
People bashing on KnY failing in comparison to OP is unable to acknowledge this
Everytime a good guy or Tanjirou gets hurt in a fight, it always felt like a serious cut, a danger and risk for them to the readers.
Maybe you did or some other reader did but nah, I can't say I ever felt it mainly because I already know something called being a main protag and narrative , you know the very reason for the series existent.
Even Berserk, a series known for its utter violent and no-character-is-safe-type approach doesn't kill the main protag off because then the story, and the reason for the entire series to exist, would be gone. I mean, I care about what happens to Guts and how he gets outta the situations but I can't say the same for the cardboard cutouts of KNY.
Characters surviving in most-stories is pretty predictable. Not the "why" or "how". That is the most interesting part. KNY doesn't particularly surprise or have an impact in that regard because it uses the shonen checklist. I can't really say any arc or situation put me in that level of mindset because I couldn't care less about the characters dying or surviving. It was as inconsequential as it can get. If you want to sit there and pretend that this is your first ever fictional story where you didn't understand the very definition of main protag or the reason why the story exists then you can do so. I personally can't nor I understand the point you were trying to make here aside from stretching the quality of the series.
I don't have to question the survival of the character each chapter or need deaths in order for the series to be good. Any writer can make the situations themselves interesting without having to rely on artificial-intensity and "OMG WILL THEY SURVIVE" cliche plot-device. Luffy during his first fight with Crocodile loses, and for the first time in the entire series up to that point, Luffy doesn't beat someone in one-go. The way that entire scene is executed and the way it fundamentally marks Luffy's first big lost is one of the most memorable scenes in the entire series. Nobody was ever under the impression that Luffy died and yet the impact of the lost is there. I haven't seen or felt like that during my viewing/reading of KNY. Because that requires the cast to be….well anything beyond the empty caricatures.
No single character is able to confidently solo an upper demon at any point, if you ever did noticed.
….So?
Hesitation and fear of death against them while at the same time wrecking their brains to deliver just one more cut.
…..So?
Compared this to the confidence of other good guys in your general shounen manga and you can see why this series stands out.
…..................How?
I'm guessing you are trying to argue that the characters react in a realistic manner so it's different and good? Even though I don't really understand how is it anything good when it doesn't accompolish much and ends up feeling like every other shonen fighting scenario? Seems like the vagueness when it comes to the praise of the series is actually a trend and not an exclusive thing.
And how is that different compare to Reborn, Nurarihyon's Grandson or any other shonen series that features a non-confidence main protag?
Need I mention that most of the fights were a cooperative team effort?
…....So?
Like what is even the point of this?
the demons are fucking scary and you feel that in every fight.
It felt repetitive and tedious more than anything.
But Ok, i guess?
And going back to the original point here; strong cast of characters are needed for this to work. It sounds good on paper, not so much in terms of execution.
This is why the series is grounded.
Akame Ga Kill and Gantz are pretty grounded.
And they are pretty shit.
Being grounded doesn't really make it good. Any writer can throw gore, "realism" and bleakness in order to "appear" grounded but not many series can do it well. Subtlety, approach and execution are a thing. Yes, KNY has more gore than your normal shonen and yet the scenarios as well as the results doesn't really change. So what exactly is the point of the groundedness?
Nothing is more apparent for this point than the opening of the series where the entire "bleakness" as well as the death of MC's family is used as a basic point to drive the series. That entire scenario relies on characters being strong in order for it to work. And it failed. So much of the opening is presented in a "wiki" type format where it quickly shows a scene with the MC, his family, their "bonds", some interactions before they are killed off.
This is like Berserk but instead of actually establishing/exploring/conveying the characters, you simply get few pages of the band together and then eclipse happens. Just shock, gore and blood everywhere.
That is good characterization
Good characterization does not exist in the series.
Certainly not for Tanjiro.
KnY author don't need to give a shit about world building when she don't want to, her story has been told well without it.
Given that the story is very character-driven, having a decent cast of characters is as relevant as it can get. The story's basic foundation are the characters. It needs strong characters for the entire premise to work. It doesn't need world-building or anything. It tells the basic story in the most mediocre way possible.
And before the obligatory "many people cared so it worked" gets thrown around, let me remind that people also cared about FT despite its utter garbage writing. How many people react or like is based on their personal preference and enjoy-ability. But the actual craft can be measured and talked about.
Just like how people find "Paranomoral Activity" to be a scary movie despite the actual craft being lazy, cheap and generally shit.
Apply the proper standards to the proper narrative. Don't use the standard for measuring LoTR to something like KnY.
That was the point.
No one is really comparing One Piece and KNY seriously. It was a response to Kdom because he was comparing the two since he cried and One Piece didn't make him cry so therefore KNY better.
One Piece and KNY aren't in the same league.
KNY writer is struggling to tell the absolute basic story that it set for itself. Oda, on the other hand, is struggling with the series that has only gotten more and more complex of the over years while also avoiding the story from becoming Naruto and being filled with plot-holes.
You can like one or the other. But trying to say that one is better because it makes you warm and fuzzy and the other doesn't while ignoring the actual craft? Yea, no.
I'm sure that makes you feel really smart and a literature gourmet but please don't forget that this are the same people that allow Hxh to still rake in sales, Shingeki to soar and OP to remain the no 1.
Oh and to abandon the shit out of Bleach and Shokugeki when they sucked ass.
Because numbers show the quality or the taste and not people buying shit because they like it or find it appealing or just read it to past the time?
What is even the point of this post? Numbers have always reflected appeal and mainstream interest more than anything.
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