I give this chapter a We didn't get to see Doffy's eyes / 10
Yeah it kind of feels like Oda is messing with us.
@zachri:
Law will probably have a delayed reaction and either react next chapter or whenever luffy awakens.
Oh and am I the only one who thought luffy getting tears all over his face panels looked… Er...
Surely it will look less ambiguous in the anime…
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I definitely agree with you on this. When Rebecca first appeared, I was excited for a warrior lady who's willing to actually get hit to finally be in One Piece, but her character just went down the drain, and the whole thing was very disappointing for me.
The thing is, there've been so many comments on here that are like "lol i hope Rebecca dies" or "OMG SHE'S SO ANNOYING" and just… People blame Rebecca as an individual, people blame her as a character, instead of how she was written, and then all the misogynistic comments on here make for an extremely uncomfortable atmosphere if you're a girl, and you get scared to even post...
Yea, that's the internet for you. The only proper response is to give an argument the time of the day that it's earned by its content. I sometimes hesitate to post my thoughts in these chapter threads because of the unpleasant atmosphere that can occur when people get attacked for posting criticism. If you enjoy the manga and are tired of hearing complaints, just don't read those posts. It's not hard. Trying to silence dissenting opinions is not the way to go. Nor is taking out your personal frustration on people giving their honest comments in a reasoned and civil fashion. If someone posts critique in a legitimately trollish way they don't deserve being given any attention at whatsoever. They don't deserve the pleasure of spoiling and diminishing the prospects of civil and reasonable discussion between a vast majority of members. If someone posts critique in a legitimate and reasoned fashion, they deserve a response that's at the very least civil. If you can't give that, give none at all. Of course, what, in the mind of the majority, constitutes a trollish way and what doesn't can be a good indicator of the state of a forum's tolerance. It makes me glad to see posters like Daz speaking out against the, if you will, harsh and notably uncivil anti-complaining that is exuded now and then. That's no better at all than complaining in a trollish, exaggeratedly negative fashion. Either will do just as much to harm the atmosphere of civil and constructive discussion that the forum deserves.
I'm sure the sheer fatigue of Dressrosa contributes a lot, and like many I'm happy to finally be near the time of moving on.
@Daz:
This chapter simply isn't as visually interesting as seeing the simultaneous crash landings of Croc and Luffy or the zoom out to rain above Alabasta, and doesn't really have anything as Iconic as Luffys silhouette in the sky.
That's still far and away my favorite page of One Piece.
Okay I finally thought of something else to say about this chapter. I find it interesting that Oda definitely was not trying at all to replicate/surpass the smile on Luffy's face after Alabasta's end, or Enies Lobby's end. It was more low-key, in regards to Luffy.
Also can I just say that Law was drawn cool as hell this chapter? You can slowly see the art transform through this series, and sometimes there's – intentional or not -- hints to how it's going to look in the future. I feel this may be one of those times. I just liked the "uneven" way he was drawn. You could feel his breath slowly escaping as he transported Luffy to safety.
They are both speeches of encouragement to the masses, similar in that sense to me.
Yes but they both serve a different purposes .
Gantz speech was all about hyping Luffy and made his entrance one of my favs in the manga so far .
Still at the end of the day i don't mind reading people criticism and having a debate .
But i also know it's impossible for oda to please everyone but that is part of the fun on a forum .
Have to say: the chapter actually felt kinda good knowing that the next phase of One Piece will be completely chaos.
Now lets get to Issho and turtle soup with eggs on the side!
Why is Rebecca always set up to fail you ask?
I know why. It's because…she has...
! PINK HAIR
Don't believe me? YOU FOOL. Let me show you…
! Remember that one kid from the start of the series? The annoying little shit that kept failing but alas somehow got made into a man after getting punched by Garp a few (or hundred) times. Coby. What colour…is his hair?
Remember that one marine woman from the Arlong Park arc? Mother of two? Bellmere? She was so poor she couldn't afford cute clothes for her two daughters. That's not the end of it…she managed to get shot and die in a manga where you can survive a bomb designed to wipe out an entire city detonating 2 meters away from you. What colour was her hair?
Remember that other marine woman that smokes cigarettes and flirts with Smoker? The one who got outwitted by Luffy and Mister 2? Yeah, Hina. What possible colour could her hair be...
Remember that one guy from CP9 who couldn't even kill himself when he wanted to? Kumadori. Think back...what colour was his hair?
Remember Perona, that girl who had an undead pet bear? She also has this TOTALLY BROKEN devil fruit power which makes people want to become sea cucumbers. She still lost to Usopp 1v1, LOL. (NO, that's not a testament to Usopp's greatness, that's a testament to Perona's FAILURE). Her hair colour? Rhymes with ink.
Remember Lola, the unconventionally beautiful woman from Thriller Bark? She got denied by every man she ever proposed to. Her hair colour? BINGO.
Remember Bonney, the female supernova that has a passion for eating and ugly hats? The one that can turn someone into a snivelling child or a senile old man? The one who got captured by Blackbeard almost immediatly after entering the New World? And then she got arrested. Her hair colour...it's..pink.
Remember Shirahoshi? No? Neither do I!
! This one's for the anime fans - remember that girl from Bellamy's gang? She had pink hair too. "Woah, but she didn't fail that hard!" - you say. WRONG. She was a part of Bellamy's gang. That's pretty self explanatory.
I rest my case. For now…
Nice chapter, mainly for the Kyros part, which is pretty much the only Dressrosa character I enjoyed.
Still hoping Don Flamingo has room for some "last moment" act. Sure, he was overhyped, which only made me expect more out of him, but…. it just felt like his battle with Luffy was a little too obvious?
I know I'm being way too hopeful for a REAL twist from Oda, but isn't it right to say that Doffy is nothing but the "Crocodile" of the New World? Rules a city, looks invincible, but in the end is defeated and literally EVERYONE (I'm looking at you, Law) is safe and sound.
Next chapter: When no one was looking, Moria gets his revenge.
So, I'm not a big anime/manga guy. One Piece is pretty much my only jam in both cases. As such, I've basically just read/watched it over the years and I've never been involved in any kind of community surrounding anime/manga. In fact, this is my first one…which brings me to my question...
Is the reaction to this kind of stuff always so petty and whiny? I'm all in for disliking Dressrosa (cause for real...fuck Dressrosa) but is a chapter like this seriously not expected? I don't think it's great, but it's entirely necessary. Is it common for people to just want nothing but major plot point/action set piece or cry 'filler' at every opportunity?
Why is Rebecca always set up to fail you ask?
I know why. It's because…she has...
! PINK HAIR
Don't believe me? YOU FOOL. Let me show you…
! Remember that one kid from the start of the series? The annoying little shit that kept failing but alas somehow got made into a man after getting punched by Garp a few (or hundred) times. Coby. What colour…is his hair?
Remember that one marine woman from the Arlong Park arc? Mother of two? Bellmere? She was so poor she couldn't afford cute clothes for her two daughters. That's not the end of it…she managed to get shot and die in a manga where you can survive a bomb designed to wipe out an entire city detonating 2 meters away from you. What colour was her hair?
Remember that other marine woman that smokes cigarettes and flirts with Smoker? The one who got outwitted by Luffy and Mister 2? Yeah, Hina. What possible colour could her hair be...
Remember that one guy from CP9 who couldn't even kill himself when he wanted to? Kumadori. Think back...what colour was his hair?
Remember Perona, that girl who had an undead pet bear? She also has this TOTALLY BROKEN devil fruit power which makes people want to become sea cucumbers. She still lost to Usopp 1v1, LOL. (NO, that's not a testament to Usopp's greatness, that's a testament to Perona's FAILURE). Her hair colour? Rhymes with ink.
Remember Lola, the unconventionally beautiful woman from Thriller Bark? She got denied by every man she ever proposed to. Her hair colour? BINGO.
Remember Bonney, the female supernova that has a passion for eating and ugly hats? The one that can turn someone into a snivelling child or a senile old man? The one who got captured by Blackbeard almost immediatly after entering the New World? And then she got arrested. Her hair colour...it's..pink.
Remember Shirahoshi? No? Neither do I!
! This one's for the anime fans - remember that girl from Bellamy's gang? She had pink hair too. "Woah, but she didn't fail that hard!" - you say. WRONG. She was a part of Bellamy's gang. That's pretty self explanatory.I rest my case. For now…
What worked: The one part of this chapter that was very well done was Kyros. The call-back to his tin eyes that can't cry and how he's fought for Dressrosa's freedom from oppression and control all these years were well chosen. It reminds me of some of Oda's great past moments where a character just lets everything go and cries like a baby, unabated – like Chopper upon leaving Drum Island and seeing the cherry blossom fireworks, or Robin during her famous "I want to live!" moment. I think this is going to come off as an even better moment when the arc sinks in and fatigue and disappointment wears off. One of the better scenes in the arc, possibly.
What didn't: But everything else is just, welp, Oda commited to these characters so hard and so badly wants me to feel for them but I just don't. Rebecca has done essentially nothing but cry for far too long and has almost no personality. Viola was introduced as passionate but for almost the entire arc has done little but run from place to place whilst being protected or served as Oda's recap device. Riku has been, imo, uninteresting and bland for the whole arc. A generic kind gentle king is all well and good, but not interesting enough to carry such a large burden. Can the man even crack a smile if his life depends on it? Gatz, though I don't dislike him,came out of nowhere with no build up and took too much of a presence in climax. Meanwhile the characters that I care about are doing nothing (Cavendish), pushing the oh-so-contrived feeling Birdcage (Zoro, Franky, Sai, Bart, Kyros) or watching quietly (Law). It's as if there's a complete reversal of what I tend to expect from One Piece in this climax. The less colorful, less built-up characters are at the center stage of attention and tension in the very climax. Meanwhile the great, classically One Piece, emotionally engaging characters (which the arc has plenty of) are relegated almost exclusively to serving Oda's favorite plot device or doing what seems to be nothing at all.
And worst of all, the citizens of Dress Rosa. They are a giant faceless mass that have been bumbling around and running from Bird Cage forever. I can't get emotionally connected to a mass of faceless people just because what happens to them is sad. It doesn't matter how many panels of them looking sad or scared or overjoyed Oda hits me with (I think around 10-12 in this chapter alone?). It won't happen =/ The emotional connection I get to One Piece characters is through getting to know them and spend time with them, learn about their personalities, their history, and follow them through their personal struggles. It can be both on the small and large scale: Senõr Pink or Nico Robin. But it won't happen through simply being told "sad thing happened, now feel sad" and showing more and more panels of sad things happening to people that remain as faceless as before. The citizens of Dress Rosa being made such a huge emotional anchor was a massive mistake to me.
The next chapter is probably the one that will work, because it'll contain Law's reaction. He's the character that's both colorful and interesting and had a great deal of attention and love devoted to writing his emotionally engaging story full of characters just as colorful and interesting. But this one just couldn't do it for me. It's not because anything about it was wrong per se. It's natural to have exactly this happen as Doflamingo is defeated. It makes sense in-universe. It's what logically follows the story as written. But the characters focused on simply are not engaging. Without engaging characters, a character-driven story just isn't much to write home about. They exist in this arc, but they aren't these characters.
A lot of this chapter will depend on personal opinions. Like you and some others, you don't care for the citizens or King Riku, and Gatz is a bit of a miss. Therefore, this chapter is quite weak because it didn't focus on the characters you wanted it to.
As far as the Gladiators, I don't think they needed to have focus on this particular chapter. This was about the country itself, and their stake in it. Some of the Gladiators had come for a certain purpose, but the country as a whole didn't matter to them.
While it won't make a difference, I feel there was a little more to the masses than you give them credit for. One thing that stuck with me was how many of the citizens became toys, and were forgotten. I still remember the scene where the toy dog tries to convince his child and wife, and is thrown away. It showed the darker side of the country, and how many citizens were being harmed without anyone knowing. You had the soldiers being forced to fight, and seeing them all injured but forced to continue fighting. I remember that along with the birdcage stuff and it makes it more effective to me.
The one thing that disapointed me was that Sugar turned so many powerful people into toys in one day, but apparently everyone she had turned into toys before (besides Kyros) were completely meaningless.
Why is Rebecca always set up to fail you ask?
I know why. It's because…she has...
! PINK HAIR
Don't believe me? YOU FOOL. Let me show you…
! Remember that one kid from the start of the series? The annoying little shit that kept failing but alas somehow got made into a man after getting punched by Garp a few (or hundred) times. Coby. What colour…is his hair?
Remember that one marine woman from the Arlong Park arc? Mother of two? Bellmere? She was so poor she couldn't afford cute clothes for her two daughters. That's not the end of it…she managed to get shot and die in a manga where you can survive a bomb designed to wipe out an entire city detonating 2 meters away from you. What colour was her hair?
Remember that other marine woman that smokes cigarettes and flirts with Smoker? The one who got outwitted by Luffy and Mister 2? Yeah, Hina. What possible colour could her hair be...
Remember that one guy from CP9 who couldn't even kill himself when he wanted to? Kumadori. Think back...what colour was his hair?
Remember Perona, that girl who had an undead pet bear? She also has this TOTALLY BROKEN devil fruit power which makes people want to become sea cucumbers. She still lost to Usopp 1v1, LOL. (NO, that's not a testament to Usopp's greatness, that's a testament to Perona's FAILURE). Her hair colour? Rhymes with ink.
Remember Lola, the unconventionally beautiful woman from Thriller Bark? She got denied by every man she ever proposed to. Her hair colour? BINGO.
Remember Bonney, the female supernova that has a passion for eating and ugly hats? The one that can turn someone into a snivelling child or a senile old man? The one who got captured by Blackbeard almost immediatly after entering the New World? And then she got arrested. Her hair colour...it's..pink.
Remember Shirahoshi? No? Neither do I!
! This one's for the anime fans - remember that girl from Bellamy's gang? She had pink hair too. "Woah, but she didn't fail that hard!" - you say. WRONG. She was a part of Bellamy's gang. That's pretty self explanatory.I rest my case. For now…
The secret behind Sakura's failures is out!
So, I'm not a big anime/manga guy. One Piece is pretty much my only jam in both cases. As such, I've basically just read/watched it over the years and I've never been involved in any kind of community surrounding anime/manga. In fact, this is my first one…which brings me to my question...
Is the reaction to this kind of stuff always so petty and whiny? I'm all in for disliking Dressrosa (cause for real...fuck Dressrosa) but is a chapter like this seriously not expected? I don't think it's great, but it's entirely necessary. Is it common for people to just want nothing but major plot point/action set piece or cry 'filler' at every opportunity?
Yes, lots and lots of people just want "epic" battles between big names, and don't care about plot or themes or anything that doesn't involve power levels and "who is the strongest". Just watch all the power level discussion we had here, and that they are quite tame by comparison with other places that think of One Piece just as a series with admirals, yonkous and powerful dudes to see fighting, sometimes even forgetting why are they fighting
Can't say I was fond of the finale. Possibly on of the weakest finales of all arcs, though I hope re-reading it in volume format will make it better.
This whole arc was just too cluttered which gave it a strange mix of being both too fast paced (no individual character truly got time to shine on their own and be developed) and too slow paced (all characters had to have their one chapters worth of attention which led to a lot of skipping around and unnecessary scenes). I don't like how Doffy's power was handled either. Up to now he's been hyped as a manipulator, a kind of gangster boss pulling the strings, which we saw very little off. Not to mention all the crap with the birdcage and the clones. The One Piece universe may not follow the laws of physics, but it still needs to be believable. Enel restarting his own heart makes some sense considering the practice of defibrillation. Crocodile drying out people and objects makes sense since we often connect sand/deserts with dehydration and wastelands. It may not be realistic, but we can believe it. But Doffy pulling out talking, feeling clones made of strings? A seemingly rigid cage that can't be cut? His manipulation ability explained as seemingly a parasitic string? Where does this come from? I get the visual reference - puppets, cage, puppet (again) - but there's no believably in the practice. Even Law and Sugar who stretch what they should be able to do with electric shocks, unexplained anti-sticky cuts respectively memory loss and contracts at least have fruits that makes it hard to know what to expect in the first place. String are one of the coolest things on the planet, and I feel like Doffy could've utilized them better and still get similar results in the story.
Complaining aside, I don't dislike the arc. It had a wonderful build-up, and we got some amazing characters out of it like Barto. The entire first half, from the moment they entered Dressrosa to Usopp defeating Sugar was wonderful. Law's flashback was also great, possibly the best part of the entire post-time skip so far. And quite a few moments got a laugh out of me, like Luffy carrying Law like a potato sack for a dozen chapters or the entire god Usopp gag. I also ended up liking Viola a lot more than I anticipated, which was a nice surprise.
I really liked this chapter. It was a very feel good chapter. Cathartic and like just let out one long release of nerves. I felt it. I honestly felt what Oda was going for.
I know you're probably feeling exactly as your words say but I can't help but think that this post feels so forced. As if you're desperately trying to find something positive in a completely bland and redundant chapter. No offense, mate. You're a cool lad, kev.
As for my take on this chapter – I just want to see this whole Dressrosa business end already and am gladly awaiting any Sanji/Yonkou/reactions around the world content Oda is hopefully planning to throw at us soon.
Why is Rebecca always set up to fail you ask?
I know why. It's because…she has...
! PINK HAIR
Don't believe me? YOU FOOL. Let me show you…
! Remember that one kid from the start of the series? The annoying little shit that kept failing but alas somehow got made into a man after getting punched by Garp a few (or hundred) times. Coby. What colour…is his hair?
Remember that one marine woman from the Arlong Park arc? Mother of two? Bellmere? She was so poor she couldn't afford cute clothes for her two daughters. That's not the end of it…she managed to get shot and die in a manga where you can survive a bomb designed to wipe out an entire city detonating 2 meters away from you. What colour was her hair?
Remember that other marine woman that smokes cigarettes and flirts with Smoker? The one who got outwitted by Luffy and Mister 2? Yeah, Hina. What possible colour could her hair be...
Remember that one guy from CP9 who couldn't even kill himself when he wanted to? Kumadori. Think back...what colour was his hair?
Remember Perona, that girl who had an undead pet bear? She also has this TOTALLY BROKEN devil fruit power which makes people want to become sea cucumbers. She still lost to Usopp 1v1, LOL. (NO, that's not a testament to Usopp's greatness, that's a testament to Perona's FAILURE). Her hair colour? Rhymes with ink.
Remember Lola, the unconventionally beautiful woman from Thriller Bark? She got denied by every man she ever proposed to. Her hair colour? BINGO.
Remember Bonney, the female supernova that has a passion for eating and ugly hats? The one that can turn someone into a snivelling child or a senile old man? The one who got captured by Blackbeard almost immediatly after entering the New World? And then she got arrested. Her hair colour...it's..pink.
Remember Shirahoshi? No? Neither do I!
! This one's for the anime fans - remember that girl from Bellamy's gang? She had pink hair too. "Woah, but she didn't fail that hard!" - you say. WRONG. She was a part of Bellamy's gang. That's pretty self explanatory.I rest my case. For now…
Interesting post, but Hina should be left out of that list, she was meant to be blonde but the anime peeps made her hair pink :/
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@Gia:
Lol…I think you mean transition
No I'm pretty sure he meant transaction, you know… Where an arc finally pays off after the long grind of almost two years reading it. I expect two more transaction chapters :ninja:
Year of Sanji, let's go!
@The:
A lot of this chapter will depend on personal opinions. Like you and some others, you don't care for the citizens or King Riku, and Gatz is a bit of a miss. Therefore, this chapter is quite weak because it didn't focus on the characters you wanted it to.
As far as the Gladiators, I don't think they needed to have focus on this particular chapter. This was about the country itself, and their stake in it. Some of the Gladiators had come for a certain purpose, but the country as a whole didn't matter to them.
While it won't make a difference, I feel there was a little more to the masses than you give them credit for. One thing that stuck with me was how many of the citizens became toys, and were forgotten. I still remember the scene where the toy dog tries to convince his child and wife, and is thrown away. It showed the darker side of the country, and how many citizens were being harmed without anyone knowing. You had the soldiers being forced to fight, and seeing them all injured but forced to continue fighting. I remember that along with the birdcage stuff and it makes it more effective to me.
I didn't want this chapter to focus on other characters, although I would have wanted the climax as a whole to do so. But this chapter was logically devoted to the natives of Dress Rosa. I agree with that. What I would have wanted, ideally, is for Rebecca to not have been so mishandled so as to make me stop caring about her, and Riku to not be so grey and bland I stopped caring about him. And maybe even for the citizens to be more engaging than they are, which leads to the next point you brought up.
The toys show a missed opportunity. I was also engaged and interested when they first came up and at learning how terrible their fate and their families' fate unknowingly were. It was well done. But halfway through it whimpered out and became all about them shouting and crying and running from Bird Cage and DD's threats as one giant faceless mass. For 45 chapters. I'll be brief, since this treads off-topic, but it would have been perfect if instead of the dwarves Kyros was leading a toy rebellion composed of the few that had been freed from the contract. He'd have a few lieutenants and central people; each could have a different story that's a little more fleshed out. Each could be an actual character for us to connect to. A kid, a husband, a wife. Different stories but one cause. Therein you would have representatives of the Dress Rosa citizens themselves. It would feel much more like they were actually fighting their OWN battle, led by their trusted and loved captain of the guard, which I think would help with one of the reasons they aren't engaging to some people right now – that the only thing they actually do is run around and wait for other people to save them, which in truth is quite a contrast to how Oda usually writes. If so much focus is to be put on the citizens as a mass it would really help to have more individual faces and personalities to build a connection to them. As it stands it it was only very briefly touched on, right at the start, and then left by the wayside almost entirely. It couldn't have resolved all the issues composing this underwhelming climax entirely, but having a direct connection to the giant mass that Oda made one of the emotional anchors of the entire climax through actual characters couldn't have hurt either.
Interesting post, but Hina should be left out of that list, she was meant to be blonde but the anime peeps made her hair pink :/
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No I'm pretty sure he meant transaction, you know... Where an arc finally pays off after the long grind of almost two years reading it. I expect two more transaction chapters :ninja:
Not sure if you are kidding lol
Anyway, I fully expect Dofla to get up one more time, barely conscious, reveal a quick surprise about his face,, only to get thrashed by Fujitora.
….somehow I get the feeling his Nickname ("Lucy") will appear in the news papers instead of his real name...
But yea, in a way good Luffys lights went out after the attack. Would have felt unreal otherwise after all that... Gave a kind of Thriller Bark feel...
@Gia:
Not sure if you are kidding lol
Anyway, I fully expect Dofla to get up one more time, barely conscious, reveal a quick surprise about his face,, only to get thrashed by Fujitora.
No he'll still be at max strength when he wakes up, "I performed quick first aid inside my body which isn't exactly healing but it's holding up my skeletal structure just fine, like a scaffolding. Now where's Strawhat fufufufu! I'll show him a true OHKO!"
A countdown of 20 minutes begins with a side note that next week there will be no chapter :ninja:
Year of Sanji, let's go!
I come from the future!
Chapter 1012 - The noble knight
-Luffy is running away
-Masumi cries
-Sanji's eyes turn into hearts and he's about to have a nosebleed
Chapter 1051 - Lion fist
-We get back to Sanji's side of Zou where he has a hilarious nose bleed
-Pekoms prepares his lion fist
Chapter 1052- Lion fist 2
-Masumi says "KYAAA!"
-Pekoms is close to landing his lion fist on Sanji
Chapter 1591 - the hero
-Almost 100 new characters that were introduced this saga are crying around the Grand Line from the defeat of Big Mom
-Chapters 1586-95 are dedicated to crying characters, new saga begins at 1619
Chapter 9666- The Revelation
-The Gorosai warn the world that Luffy is the devil himself and that he has deceived the world's people into rebelling against God.
-Monkey Devil Luffy rises from the bottomless pit and his legions of servants from the four corners of the world trample over Mariejois towards the skies leading towards the Holy Empire of God's people.
-God summons fire to burn the Devils
-The false prophet Enel, the beast Shirahoshi, and the devil Luffy are unable to die from the fire.
-A two page color spread shows the three burning eternally in the lake of burning sulfur, tormented forever and ever
I come from the future!
and all of that was released monthly with breaks . 
Did you guys see how birdcage disappeared shouldn't it be retracting the other way ( towards doffy's clone ) yeah a small detail , this small detail however show that the author is slowly starting to not give a damn about his manga as long as it gives him money ( see guinness record , like i care about that )
yeah i am the party pooper or the always unsatisfied , or the grumpy reader whatever you want to call me , i don't like this chapter btw , call it a rest chapter a transition chapter it looks like filler to me , look hmuch time gatz takes to announce the winner , and that riku with his flashbacks again damn it
Dragon have a den den mushi zoan type , awakened , he can call anyone anywhere , call anything like clouds in rogue town , send radio waves , intercept any discussion , read other people mind , and most importantly , transform into a super awesome snail
No Bellamy either, i think the next chapter will be about reactions too.
In One Piece time, it's only been maybe 10 minutes since he got knocked out by Luffy to the end of the Doffy fight. Bellamy's still KO'd since they didn't show him getting healed by the teardelions.
After Arlong got koed it only took Oda two chapters to wrap up such an emotional and powerful arc. He's losing his magic touch. Compare this chapter to chapter 94 and you'll see what I mean.
Something that someone from another forum catch it.
One goes up, the other goes down
Chapter 1591 - the hero
-Almost 100 new characters that were introduced this saga are crying around the Grand Line from the defeat of Big Mom
-Chapters 1586-95 are dedicated to crying characters, new saga begins at 1619
Hahaha, the future is such a nice place. That bit about dedicating 10 chapters to crying characters made my day 
No he'll still be at max strength when he wakes up, "I performed quick first aid inside my body which isn't exactly healing but it's holding up my skeletal structure just fine, like a scaffolding. Now where's Strawhat fufufufu! I'll show him a true OHKO!"
A countdown of 20 minutes begins with a side note that next week there will be no chapter :ninja:
and after 2 weeks of waiting we will get a citizens reaction chapter, not even a main/side character one just the random citizens that we don't even know
He's losing his magic touch.
You know, as much as I'd hate to admit it, I'm starting to believe this is true.
Since Fishmen Island, all the arcs have been lackluster, I'll give Oda a chance for the next arc, if things don't get better then he truly lost his touch, at least in my eyes.
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I still don't think it can be chalked up that because the Cora flashback and Doflamingo as a villain are best-ever level quality. They're as good as or better than anything he has ever done in the past. That can't be the work of a man who's losing the touch he used to have. It doesn't make sense. If he was losing his touch we'd just get a bunch of stuff that feels consistently mediocre and fails to engage, I feel. Instead we get soaring highs with deep falls. Oda is not having problems creating highs, he's having problems avoiding the lows. We've seen a lot of weird and unfortunate decisions and strange priorities drag down the overall consistency of the arc but the highs are as high as they've ever been. I say that what he needs to do is get more consistent. All 3 post-timeskip arcs have the same issue, simplified. They've got some great highs but suffer from a lot of lows and scenes that just don't work very well. It's hard to pinpoint the causes, which probably aren't the same for each arc either. But there is an issue with consistency. It's more of an issue with implementation/execution than the content itself. It's almost as if you've got an entire top-notch arc in Dress Rosa as it stands if you'd just cut and copy and paste around its parts a bit to feel more coherent and better prioritized. I've never felt that with an OP arc before, Oda is having a lot of trouble getting his ideas onto paper as well as he used to, trouble structuring them up, prioritizing. It feels very messy at times. But the good part is that's something that can be addressed whereas if a writer has lost his touch, his engagement for the series, he's just lost it. I feel the complete opposite of that from Oda. He's ultra-dedicated and sprawling with ideas and the will to deliver them. I'm a mix of hopeful and concerned for the remainder of the series. I deeply hope he manages to execute future arcs more consistently but the really big stuff will probably be great regardless, just as Doflamingo was absolutely stompingly fantastic in this arc despite all its flaws.
and all of that was released monthly with breaks .
Did you guys see how birdcage disappeared shouldn't it be retracting the other way ( towards doffy's clone ) yeah a small detail , this small detail however show that the author is slowly starting to not give a damn about his manga as long as it gives him money ( see guinness record , like i care about that )
yeah i am the party pooper or the always unsatisfied , or the grumpy reader whatever you want to call me , i don't like this chapter btw , call it a rest chapter a transition chapter it looks like filler to me , look hmuch time gatz takes to announce the winner , and that riku with his flashbacks again damn it
Actually no. There is no force to sustain the strings anymore, so they just "fall"
I still don't think it can be chalked up that because the Cora flashback and Doflamingo as a villain are best-ever level quality.
that's your opinion , doffy as a villain is good , the best no sorry i find crocodile waaaay more charismatic , some of doffy's appearance were pretty well planned like when he gets whats law's plans and rush towards the mugis but even then i didn't feel the threat the danger that crocodile or even arlong had , i think its because we know dofflamingo from a long time ago and we saw his abilities at the marineford war , we got no surprise , the awakening stuff wasn't greatly portrayed , and of course let's not speak about the clones and birdcage , as for the law flashback its a good flashback keep in mind that law is like a mugi now ( i totally see him joining the crew , Luffy proposed to him no ? ) or at least an all time ally , so yeah he gotta have a good flashback we only had doffy's flashback because of his relations with Law and to be honest its not that great of a story not meaningful at all , maybe it will be useful later when we will know what's the secrets he knows about the celestial dragons .
To be honest I thought King Dold wasn't that interesting as a character.
Although I have to make a case for Kyros having more interesting characterization.
Eh, I liked both backstories.Yes, Kyros is someone that has the most flesh out backstory for one of the characters that appeared in this arc imho
Riku was the one was Dolflamingo's unwilling puppet that kickstarted the 10 year reign, but he was as fleshed out as needed .
Actually no. There is no force to sustain the strings anymore, so they just "fall"
so they have to fall on the city and the citizen then ?? no ? ( i stated it was just a detail wanting to avoid any arguing over that but i can't help it now :ninja: )
Dragon have a den den mushi zoan type , awakened , he can call anyone anywhere , call anything like clouds in rogue town , send radio waves , intercept any discussion , read other people mind , and most importantly , transform into a super awesome snail
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When a mangaka is so successful that he can do what he wants at his own pace and leisure that it doesn't even matter what he gives us, it's bound to have a lot of lows. Back when he started Arlong saga, the manga was still rather fresh and he had immense pressure on him to deliver things at pace that would hook the readers. He draws for fun and sees himself going for another 10 or so years, I remember when I started One Piece it never truly hooked me until the Alabasta arc, after that it was no looking back. Now we have the preliminary arcs for new world wrapped up and out of the way it will only get better guys. There's so much to cover still, just think about it. How can arcs involving other supernovas, Yonkou, new admiral, new shichibukai, secret weapons, new nakama, void century, scopper gaban, gorosei, raftel, will of D, dragon and Luffy's mom, Zoro's eye (you get the point) be boring?There's innumerable amount of storytelling left to do and one way or another they will be told. Hopefully they won't take 2 years at a time to be told though. I wish Oda delegated some responsibility to his staff to tell a side story like Hiro Mashima so more than just the main crew's story is told week in week out. That would be an awesome solution and help with the world building.
that's your opinion , doffy as a villain is good , the best no sorry i find crocodile waaaay more charismatic , some of doffy's appearance were pretty well planned like when he gets whats law's plans and rush towards the mugis but even then i didn't feel the threat the danger that crocodile or even arlong had , i think its because we know dofflamingo from a long time ago and we saw his abilities at the marineford war , we got no surprise , the awakening stuff wasn't greatly portrayed , and of course let's not speak about the clones and birdcage , as for the law flashback its a good flashback keep in mind that law is like a mugi now ( i totally see him joining the crew , Luffy proposed to him no ? ) or at least an all time ally , so yeah he gotta have a good flashback we only had doffy's flashback because of his relations with Law and to be honest its not that great of a story not meaningful at all , maybe it will be useful later when we will know what's the secrets he knows about the celestial dragons .
I didn't say that DD's threat level was the highest, it certainly wasn't, but he's much more of an actual character than… well, any of Oda's past major arc villains. Crocodile had style in droves and was a deliciously evil James Bond-esque villain. He was totally convincing as an enemy force and his power made for good fights. But he didn't have much of a personality aside from being really cruel and cunning. He certainly didn't have a backstory or motivations aside from (literally) taking over the world. He wasn't humanized, no attempt was made at having us understand why he acts the way he does, where he comes from, why he treats people like he does, why he has the relationships he does. Doflamingo had ALL of this. We've followed his whole life. We've seen him in moments of personal weakness, sadness and contemplation, seen the different aspects to his personality coming forth and mixing. We've seen him go on treasure hunts, celebrate and fight battles with his crew, diving in to saving his protegees and even letting the young Baby-5 cling to his leg and cry. We've seen him lose members of his crew that he genuinely cared for and seen him kill his own brother in a mixture of anger and sadness. It was one of the most surprising, memorable and impressive moments of Punk Hazard to me, to see Oda have the villains of the arc go out like that. He was a full-blown, explored and fleshed out character in his own right as good as any of the main characters, on top of being a strong opposing force to them as well as hugely stylish and charismatic.
That's, to me, better and more mature villain writing than we've ever seen before in One Piece. Doflamingo mixes the best of the old with something that's, for this series, quite new. Oda was always good at making villains threatening forces but that's usually all they were for the most part. I honestly feel like we may never see the likes of Doflamingo again in an OP villain. It's just something entirely outside of what I expected from OP to make him such a fleshed out and multifaceted character on top of being the cackling, manipulating cruel man we had previously seen him as.
Kids of the forum are arriving at maturity, kid stuff no longer appeals them. Society air is being breathed, nothing will please some, too bad money is not being offered to the readers.
I wonder, no, no impossible it seems no one saw sabo and burgess, how could you all miss it, how could oda do this? No wondr so many are complaining. Hehehheheheh.
So how long ago (real-time) did the Dressrosa arc start?
Side note, Doflamingo should be dead since he was being held up inside by strings, but of course through whatever plot hole makes it easier for the writing this time, he won't be
Kids of the forum are arriving at maturity, kid stuff no longer appeals them. Society air is being breathed, nothing will please some, too bad money is not being offered to the readers.
I wonder, no, no impossible it seems no one saw sabo and burgess, how could you all miss it, how could oda do this? No wondr so many are complaining. Hehehheheheh.
One Piece has matured just as much as readership.
Besides, I don't see anyone complaining it's not mature enough. Has more to do with repeating formula.
Honestly, I totally forgot about Sabo vs Burgess until I saw someone mention it here. I guess I don't expect much of it. Not much of it will be shown and the income probably won't have a clear wiener, I mean winner.
What didn't: But everything else is just, welp, Oda commited to these characters so hard and so badly wants me to feel for them but I just don't. Rebecca has done essentially nothing but cry for far too long and has almost no personality. Viola was introduced as passionate but for almost the entire arc has done little but run from place to place whilst being protected or served as Oda's recap device.
I disagree with you about Viola, if anything she was one of the most important characters in regards to the plot this arc. For example: She betray Doffy, informed Sanji about CP-0 and Doflamingo's plans, alerts Sanji when the Sunny is under attack, helps Luffy and Zoro infiltrate the castle, assists Ussop in taking down Sugar the 2nd time, users her ability to locate Mansherry, fights Doffy to buy Luffy at least a couple seconds…
The problem is Oda barely gave her any panel time. I almost feel like Oda is intentionally ignoring her and writing her out of the manga. Even in this chapter all the other Riku family members got panels focused on them and brief flashbacks dedicated to them: Rebecca, Kyros, King Riku. Viola is only in 4 panels the entire chapter and only is she the forefront of a single panel and not in the background. Barolomeo and even Fujitora got better panels this chapter.
I guess chapters like these are inevitable. Hopefully next week will have more stuff happening, although I like the reactions. Now, let the whining commence!
The bad reviews are justified. This arc was not good at all. terrible pacing, too many chapters with reactions from fodder, unfinished situations; off-paneling battles, the tournament was bad, the executives were nonthreatening; Doflamingo himself was weak, no tension in battles; we don't get the sense of life and death anymore. Oda wastes too much time trying to make every single character relevant/involved unnecessarily. Oh and Zoro; what happen to him?
Lets just hope something actually happens with Champion and Sabo, or the Admiral does something and stops being eye candy.
She did a bunch of those things and acted pretty proactively in the beginning. I liked her then, I had hopes for her. I think her character design is pretty cool as well.
But after those first 10-15 chapters (bearing in mind this arc is 90+ chapters) her character almost disappeared. She felt more like a plot device than a character in nearly the entire Bird Cage section. Then after being essentially a bystander slash plot device for like 60 chapters, Oda throwing her in for a quick last-minute attempt at drawing out some emotion just didn't do anything for me. The scene was executed somewhat well but the character was just too inactive and had been given too little attention as an individual character for so long by that point. She had much more potential if she had been given more of a personality and active role. She was said to be passionate, as I said, but I really don't feel any of that. She's pretty much as timid, kind and gentle as the rest of the Riku family for the most part. Was it just an act? Doesn't seem that way the way Doffy spoke of it though.
I'm not sure how much we're agreeing or disagreeing with each other. I think from her interactions with Sanji and Luffy she has more personality and she's played important roles through out the arc. The problem to me is that Oda never gave her enough panel time to flesh her character out and highlight her roles.
But I guess I agree with you that she's more of a plot device than a character though I'd say that happens later, probably after they infiltrate the castle and Doflamingo creates the birdcage.
The interaction with Sanji made her look like she had a pretty strong personality. But that's the thing and what disappointed me, all signs of a distinct personality seemed to mostly vanish after that. Obviously her initial behavior was partially an act but honestly I don't see why she couldn't have a stayed a bit similar to what her personality seemed like at that time. Passionate, prideful and a tad magisterial, but without being unkind or a bad person. Certainly would've shaken a lot more life and color into the Riku family and made her much more distinct as an individual. But nope. She just turned into the same indistinctly gentle, kind, timid person as her father and niece and turned into a plot device on top of that, and after dozens of chapters of that I had honestly lost interest.
The problem is that Oda squashed so many characters and subplots in this arc, of which many have been played in a smiliar manner before, that you just don't care anymore.
I don't think its really a problem that her personality turned "gentle, kind, timid" its just that Oda pretty much wrote her out of the manga except for plot purposes after they infiltrated the palace.
But at this point, its pretty much splitting hairs. The crux of it is that Oda stopped trying to write for her character less than halfway through the arc.
Thank fuck this arc is done! I want them to run out of there and never look back. Go to hell, Dressrosa.
Now starts the post-arc/transitional stuff. This is when One Piece is at its best, in my opinion. Even stuff like post-Fishman Island (a pretty weak sauce arc by most people's account) was great because of the rising tension and Big Mom stuff. This is usually when the real shit starts going down.
I can't wait until we cut back to the other half of the Strawhat crew and get news about Big Mom or Kaido. I expect a lot of stuff has happened outside since the bird cage went up. The news that Doflamingo got BTFO is going to be big.
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