If only more annoying people would go away.
Well news flash for you, i'm not going to bring this up everyday. If you guys want to turn off your brain and enjoy the manga you can do that. I still like One Piece, I just don't like to turn off my brain. Just remember One Piece is not a perfect piece of work. Anyway I'm done here
Currently writing a book
@joekido:
Well news flash for you, i'm not going to bring this up everyday. If you guys want to turn off your brain and enjoy the manga you can do that. I still like One Piece, I just don't like to turn off my brain. Just remember One Piece is not a perfect piece of work. Anyway I'm done here
I think you missquoted. If not, I meant the person I replied to, for obvious reasons.
@joekido:
Well news flash for you, i'm not going to bring this up everyday. If you guys want to turn off your brain and enjoy the manga you can do that. I still like One Piece, I just don't like to turn off my brain. Just remember One Piece is not a perfect piece of work. Anyway I'm done here
You are obviously analysing stuff past their point of relevance . And bringing that "One Piece is not a perfect piece of work " statement into your argument doesn't help your argument and rather weakens it even more .
@joekido:
Well news flash for you, i'm not going to bring this up everyday. If you guys want to turn off your brain and enjoy the manga you can do that. I still like One Piece, I just don't like to turn off my brain. Just remember One Piece is not a perfect piece of work. Anyway I'm done here
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If you think that is any sort of enlightening point that people around here need to consider, I ask you, have you even seen the narrative around here lately?
Where are these rabid fans proclaiming Oda to be God and that One Piece is perfect? 'cause I haven't seen one around these parts in a damn long time.
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If you think that is any sort of enlightening point that people around here need to consider, I ask you, have you even seen the narrative around here lately?
Where are these rabid fans proclaiming Oda to be God and that One Piece is perfect? 'cause I haven't seen one around these parts in a damn long time.
Maybe some other forum because I'm not seeing it around these parts.
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Maybe we can get some predictions going before the chapter is released. Right now I don't have any but I'm all ears to hear what people have in mind.
If people really want to see what or who a Fanboy is check out the Bleach and Fairytale thread you will definitely be able to identify "What a Fanboy is" and i don't need to call names or go out of my way to identify who i am talking about because it is so obvious, then come back to the One Piece thread and point out somebody that is the same and i will agree. Hope my post is not one that will get me ban.
Critics should aspire to be less like Darth, and more like Daz.
@joekido:
Here are some examples:
Usopp falls from an Enies Lobby tower and is okay but wounded. In Thriller Bark, Zoro was falling from Oars, Usopp panics that Zoro will die if he hits the ground.
Law does not use shambles to cut Doflamingo in pieces and throw him in the sea since he wanted to kill him so bad.
Doflamingo does not uses parasite to paralyze Luffy and cut him in piece.
Oda spending much energy to show how deadly Ceaser Clown's gas is; only to find that the poisonous gas will only slowly kill you.
Bellmare get's shot in the chest and dies, Brownbeard got shot in the face and lived, making the Yeti brothers lousy killers. Corazon got shot multiple times and lives long to face Doflamingo.
While the crew were going to Skypiea, they comment on how thin the air was getting. Later we see Enel going to space all fine and found the Space pirates there and they are not wearing space suit.
Kalifa and Kaku turning from a cold-hearted assassins, after eating the fruit; they mellow down
The entire system of the World Nobles and the World Government's need for them. It's amazing how the world tolerate them for 800 years and no one in history tried to overthrow them despite how people hated them. And why the Marines have to protect those lawless people? If this was the real world, they would be gone already. And how do they grow without inbreeding?
Enel killed an militia with his lightning attack, could not kill Payaga.
Foxy landed on a bed of spikes and did not bleed but when people get cut, they bleed. Yes I know this is just a Shonen manga but it still have to have logic.
How about when Sanji gets a nose bleed, it does not affect him but in Fishman Island it became a serious issue.
Shirahoshi does not summon the Sea Kings to stop the Noah earlier and waited until it was about to crush Fishman Island.
The need for Blackbeard to have a Shichibukai rank when it was really pointless the minute he enters
Impel Down. He really does not need it since the result would be the same.Whitebeard got stabbed by Squardo and sticks out to the back, later we see no scar behind the back.
Vegapunk surviving the blast when Ceaser Clown denoted the island
We were told that Sengoku was a great planner, does not first gather armies and Shichibukais, add submarines before making the news for Ace's execution a public, this shows us he was not a great planner.
Ace starting goofy, became a generic emo.
Bartolomo and Sabo finding Luffy on Dressrosa. Gotta wonder how do they know where to find him.
Everyone knows Luffy defeated Crocodile despite the World Government's cover-ups
The mysterious disappearance of CP-0.
Gecko Moria summoning zombies on Marineford and they look SIM
on Thriller Bark. Gotta wonder where he got them and how were they made. Plus he stole a shadows of a random Marines and did not get killed by the sunlightWe were shown that Sarkies was going to slash Bellamy on the back and on-screen there was blood. However in Dressrosa he was shown alive without any effect and fact that his crew still follows him to Skypiea and lost them all in attack yet in cover pages, we see the Skypiea citizens unharmed.
Plus Bellamy was seen floating on the Colosseum water.
The factory was directly under the Colosseum, later it when it went up to the ground level, it appears besides the Colosseum.
It was hard to see the dwelf, however the Doflamingo pirates managed to enslave them
How so many people on Sabaody were so naive that they thought the imposter Straw Hat pirates were real ones
It is stated that Law needs to have stamina to use room, manage to use it without one
Law pointlessly switching personalities as he was angry at them, later propose alliance with Luffy
Ugh, there are so much more to list. Yes you might say "this is Shonen! Anything can happen!" Like I said before, it still have to have logic. That is like saying High Fantasy novels
should not have logic now if you excuse me I got a sore wrist.
Honestly while some of your points are right some could be overlook as they are not even worth a discussion like Ussop falling from a building and then saying Zoro might die?. Honestly i don't have the time but i would do it if you require it of me no matter how long it takes, you recommending a manga to me that you think is perfect and i will go through and identify things that don't make sense and is not "logical". My point is there are things that are in your face that warrants criticism and there are things that it don't make sense you argue about them, also i would like to add that a lot of what you have listed have seen their share of criticism and yes i can attest to this whether i post a lot or not i read every single post weekly even DARTH because i love One Piece and hear is where i come to meet with those who are equally passionate about the series.
Darth will be back next April guys don't worry.
If you look between my user name you can see the word "gullible"
Nope there names don't ring any bells, must have been stuff I didn't see.
Kirk was a guy who just accused people who liked things of being blind fanboys. Darth, who was actually smart and articulate, had nothing on this guy, who literally just dropped in threads to say "OP sucks now". That's why you don't hear much of him.
Magi was mostly a defender of OP, but he was very stubborn and did insult other people in some instances.
Amol's posts were an incoherent mess. He just listed a bunch of random complaints but hardly made any argument with them.
Honestly, Darth was great compared to those guys.
@joekido:
Here are some examples:
Usopp falls from an Enies Lobby tower and is okay but wounded. In Thriller Bark, Zoro was falling from Oars, Usopp panics that Zoro will die if he hits the ground.
Different heights, Zoro was around half of the mast of Thriller bark, Usopp fell like 3-4 floors.
Law does not use shambles to cut Doflamingo in pieces and throw him in the sea since he wanted to kill him so bad.
Most likely he tried during the Green Bit encounter and failed. He probably can't warp things to the ocean, and Doffy can spiderman away
Doflamingo does not uses parasite to paralyze Luffy and cut him in piece.
We know that Parasito doesn't work in stronger people, it paralized Sanji and Joz only.
Oda spending much energy to show how deadly Ceaser Clown's gas is; only to find that the poisonous gas will only slowly kill you.
Oda doesn't kill in present time, I didn't like this as well.
Bellmare get's shot in the chest and dies, Brownbeard got shot in the face and lived, making the Yeti brothers lousy killers. Corazon got shot multiple times and lives long to face Doflamingo.
Bellemere got her brains blown out, Brownbeard got an explosion (the least deadly thing in manga), Corazon got shoot in diverse areas, untill doffy filled his gut with lead
While the crew were going to Skypiea, they comment on how thin the air was getting. Later we see Enel going to space all fine and found the Space pirates there and they are not wearing space suit.
We don't know how high that moon was, or if logias even need to breathe.
Kalifa and Kaku turning from a cold-hearted assassins, after eating the fruit; they mellow down
Being a Giraffe or having a nice long bath can have these effects. Kaku wasn't that goofy.
The entire system of the World Nobles and the World Government's need for them. It's amazing how the world tolerate them for 800 years and no one in history tried to overthrow them despite how people hated them. And why the Marines have to protect those lawless people? If this was the real world, they would be gone already. And how do they grow without inbreeding?
The secret of the Other Piece (The one that Doffy knows), at least the gorosei have something to keep the world in line
Enel killed an militia with his lightning attack, could not kill Payaga.
Pagaya had rubber shoes? I don't know, I liked his survival.
Foxy landed on a bed of spikes and did not bleed but when people get cut, they bleed. Yes I know this is just a Shonen manga but it still have to have logic.
Gag scene?
How about when Sanji gets a nose bleed, it does not affect him but in Fishman Island it became a serious issue.
Past nosebleed weren't as severe or continuous as the ones in fishman island.
Shirahoshi does not summon the Sea Kings to stop the Noah earlier and waited until it was about to crush Fishman Island.
She wasn't aware of her power
The need for Blackbeard to have a Shichibukai rank when it was really pointless the minute he enters Impel Down. He really does not need it since the result would be the same.
He needed it to get to the door. Without it, he couldn't have done it.
Whitebeard got stabbed by Squardo and sticks out to the back, later we see no scar behind the back.
Dramatic effect
Vegapunk surviving the blast when Ceaser Clown denoted the island
When where you under the impression that Vegapunk was in the island? The lab survived, I tought that it was a leak of shinokuni, not an actual giant explosion.
We were told that Sengoku was a great planner, does not first gather armies and Shichibukais, add submarines before making the news for Ace's execution a public, this shows us he was not a great planner.
We don't know the timeline nor the time of travel of the big names to marijoa, he probably released the news the instant that Whitebeard started to move to save face, the forces were on their way already.
Ace starting goofy, became a generic emo.
That usualy happens when you are thrown in the deadliest prission and get an excecution set up as a trap for everybody you know .
Bartolomo and Sabo finding Luffy on Dressrosa. Gotta wonder how do they know where to find him.
The Flame Fruit tournament, Absalom, the timeline around dressrosa is terrible. It all depends on how long did Doffy reveal the tournament beforehand
Everyone knows Luffy defeated Crocodile despite the World Government's cover-ups
Who? the marines and shichis involved? No pirate or general populace knows it, including Shakey, who only asked about Einess Lobby.
The mysterious disappearance of CP-0.
Misterious characters do misterious things, so misterious.
Gecko Moria summoning zombies on Marineford and they look SIM on Thriller Bark. Gotta wonder where he got them and how were they made. Plus he stole a shadows of a random Marines and did not get killed by the sunlight
He used shadows that he already stole before the battle, and the marines, as revealed in the "All Marines" colorspread for movie Z were very ugly and zombielike before they died, he just used fresh bodies (or killed them before the battle)
We were shown that Sarkies was going to slash Bellamy on the back and on-screen there was blood. However in Dressrosa he was shown alive without any effect and fact that his crew still follows him to Skypiea and lost them all in attack yet in cover pages, we see the Skypiea citizens unharmed.
The implication is that Sarquis attacked bellamy just as effective as zoro is cutting flesh. That Bellamy used the other way to climb to skypea (The deadly one) and got the pilar either without much trouble, or without clashing badly with the natives.
Plus Bellamy was seen floating on the Colosseum water.
Super floaty wood of course. (did he? I don't remember)
The factory was directly under the Colosseum, later it when it went up to the ground level, it appears besides the Colosseum.
… Realy? did you miss Pica moving everything around? The island was play dough for him.
It was hard to see the dwelf, however the Doflamingo pirates managed to enslave them
If you know where to look it's pretty easy, besides they were naive enough to hear anything.
How so many people on Sabaody were so naive that they thought the imposter Straw Hat pirates were real ones
In 2 years a person can change a lot, it's not like they personaly knew them.
It is stated that Law needs to have stamina to use room, manage to use it without one
Shonen things, the same as luffy getting up in the end of einess loby
Law pointlessly switching personalities as he was angry at them, later propose alliance with Luffy
This power is stupid and I refuse to talk about it. But he did it to keep Luffy in the island and propose the aliance.
Most of your things were already expresed in the material.
I'm sure you noticed there are quite a few people who never have any complaints and always argue against complaints other people have. Always justifyng whatever move the author makes. It awfully reminds of what happened with Naruto and Bleach when they started getting bad/worse.
After seeing some of the decisions Oda had made with Dressrosa, I can't help but be worried that OP will end up the same.
Naruto and Bleach were getting terrible because of blatant plotholes and retcons, something OP has yet to have.
Some of Oda's decisions are pretty questionable, but that's not an exclusively recent thing.
I'll reply using bold. I mentioned before OP's "flaw" is pretty much just due to Oda's preference - that includes not killing so this will make it a lot easier to address this.
@joekido:
Here are some examples:
Usopp falls from an Enies Lobby tower and is okay but wounded. In Thriller Bark, Zoro was falling from Oars, Usopp panics that Zoro will die if he hits the ground. To be honest, I don't remember that Zoro panel, so if anyone could help me out on that, that'd be great. But I know Oars is not the same height from half of that tower but THIS is really a problem? Holy crap. Read ^
Law does not use shambles to cut Doflamingo in pieces and throw him in the sea since he wanted to kill him so bad. I don't think you know how Law's power works but here you know if he tried attacking him several times in his room, it's pretty much clear he's tried lol; as an added note, you can read the following post I made about Haki, which again proven to be correct recently on Zoro vs Pica.
Doflamingo does not uses parasite to paralyze Luffy and cut him in piece. Besides the fact that we can only speculate on the actual explanation as to how parasite works, I'll enlighten you a bit about Conqueror's Haki. It works both passively (story setting) and actively (getting rid of fodders and anything else it might develop into). The thing about having a power system that relies on willpower is that it's not suited to only action fanatics, everyone would do well to remember that. I'll give you a quick (possible) explanation: Hancock's CoC is reliant on her pride on being beautiful - didn't work on Luffy, came under Luffy's "CoC" (No dirty jokes please). Whitebeards goal was "Family" which he attained in his journey, CoC not only brings said people to his circle but protects them (Fishman Island and any island he calls his territory; ergo 'story setting'). Luffy's? well if you recall each time he's shown his CoC burst, what Mihawk said, him making Fishman Island his, and his future allies then you should realize what kind of CoC he has. Doflamingo's CoC? I would guess at this point, it's his drive to live and being a Celestial Dragon. In the flashback he unlocked it, he swore vengeance on the townspeople who tortured him. His Parasite ability is similar to Hancock's, it not only works as an active power from a Devil Fruit but can be taken in a way of a story setting. In this case, Doflamingo controls people, even in a way - his own people. He makes vulnerable people part of his crew (Law, Baby 5, Monet & Sugar) to have them swear loyalty to him. He's a puppeteer after all but it's incredible why this is even a possibility for some people - I assure you it won't work on Luffy. Now this part may just be speculation but how Doflamingo got out of Aokiji's ice may very well also be his CoC at work.Oda spending much energy to show how deadly Ceaser Clown's gas is; only to find that the poisonous gas will only slowly kill you. Same as the first one, you really haven't learned your lesson while reading this series huh? But more to the point, what that proved was that Caesar is a second-rate scientist, which was made even clearer during his interaction with the SHs. Which does fit his character. If you wanted a sense of danger, there was. It just didn't prove to be real.
Bellmare get's shot in the chest and dies, Brownbeard got shot in the face and lived, making the Yeti brothers lousy killers. Corazon got shot multiple times and lives long to face Doflamingo. How many times are you gonna repeat this?
While the crew were going to Skypiea, they comment on how thin the air was getting. Later we see Enel going to space all fine and found the Space pirates there and they are not wearing space suit. Freaking Aliens. First off, you really didn't know Skypieans, Shadians and Birkans were aliens as well? Why do you think they all shared the traits of having wings? Might as well make this interesting - "Alien shopkeeper" one of Usopp's 'lies' could easily be one of the Skypieans.
Kalifa and Kaku turning from a cold-hearted assassins, after eating the fruit; they mellow down Kaku has always been like that, we saw from his fight with Zoro he had some.. well, regrets? Even from their first clash in the Galley La Company, Kaku seemed laid back. More importantly, those two displayed two different outcomes for eating a Devil Fruit. Kaku added onto his fighting style, while Kalifa after using it on Sanji, started relying on her DF while fighting Nami.
The entire system of the World Nobles and the World Government's need for them. It's amazing how the world tolerate them for 800 years and no one in history tried to overthrow them despite how people hated them. And why the Marines have to protect those lawless people? If this was the real world, they would be gone already. And how do they grow without inbreeding? What the f- is this.
Enel killed an militia with his lightning attack, could not kill Payaga. Again with this.. you might as well have brought up Pell first… you're gonna bring him up huh? Anyways, Pagaya said he fell to the sea below.
Foxy landed on a bed of spikes and did not bleed but when people get cut, they bleed. Yes I know this is just a Shonen manga but it still have to have logic. THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT!? Oh and well he did bleed.. and it's a gag. Chapter 315.
How about when Sanji gets a nose bleed, it does not affect him but in Fishman Island it became a serious issue. I think you got that wrong. He kept bleeding THEN it became an issue. But like everyone else in the forum, I agree that it became the most worn out gag.
Shirahoshi does not summon the Sea Kings to stop the Noah earlier and waited until it was about to crush Fishman Island. Yup. That's Shirahoshi for you, freaking sadistic crybaby b-. She could've totally controlled those huge Sea Kings but waited for the lulz.
The need for Blackbeard to have a Shichibukai rank when it was really pointless the minute he enters
Impel Down. He really does not need it since the result would be the same. What. He wanted to become one before he captured Ace. His original plan was to capture Luffy. Capturing Ace brought the tension up between WB and the WG/Marines. Impel Down was understaffed due to said tension, so.. again what.Whitebeard got stabbed by Squardo and sticks out to the back, later we see no scar behind the back. Chapter 576. Besides the 2 swords that's stuck to him? and since Squardo stabbed him straight from the front, the scar may very well have hit his tattoo.
Vegapunk surviving the blast when Ceaser Clown denoted the island Now while this is legitimate, it still falls under pretty much most of your problems with the series. You want death. Even though it's been clear death in the literal sense is NOT a strong theme in OP, you continue to kick that horse. To be clear though, we know next to nothing about Vegapunk.
We were told that Sengoku was a great planner, does not first gather armies and Shichibukais, add submarines before making the news for Ace's execution a public, this shows us he was not a great planner. You mean strategist.. and didn't he gather his "armies" and Shichibukai? He even wanted Jinbei to be on their side. But really? THAT'S your problem?
Ace starting goofy, became a generic emo. Yeah f-cking emo Ace, screw him and all who he considers family who are in danger because of him. F-ck him.
Bartolomo and Sabo finding Luffy on Dressrosa. Gotta wonder how do they know where to find him. F-cking emo Ace and his Devil Fruit.
Everyone knows Luffy defeated Crocodile despite the World Government's cover-ups "Eat shit" - Smoker
The mysterious disappearance of CP-0. THIS IS a problem, ladies and gentlemen.
Gecko Moria summoning zombies on Marineford and they look SIM
on Thriller Bark. Gotta wonder where he got them and how were they made. Plus he stole a shadows of a random Marines and did not get killed by the sunlight Chapter 559. It didn't show the Marine Soldiers, Moriah himself called them that. More importantly, think about it. Why would Moriah want the owners of said shadows he stole to die? He would have no power up…We were shown that Sarkies was going to slash Bellamy on the back and on-screen there was blood. However in Dressrosa he was shown alive without any effect and fact that his crew still follows him to Skypiea and lost them all in attack yet in cover pages, we see the Skypiea citizens unharmed. I have no idea where you're going with this. Did you really just summarize for us? Thanks.
Plus Bellamy was seen floating on the Colosseum water. So was Galdino in Alabasta, Oda does make errors.
The factory was directly under the Colosseum, later it when it went up to the ground level, it appears besides the Colosseum. Sigh. You know what Pica's power is, right?
It was hard to see the dwelf, however the Doflamingo pirates managed to enslave them Yeah… Royal family knew of them too.. not to mention Zoro noticing Wicca, Robin pointing out to Leo that Trebol would've noticed him, totally irrelevant as well.
How so many people on Sabaody were so naive that they thought the imposter Straw Hat pirates were real ones There were imposter Straw Hat pirates?
It is stated that Law needs to have stamina to use room, manage to use it without one At the cost of his life (force). Remember that one time Yusuke beat Suzaku using his Life Energy? Man. He should've died back then. A fruit that can give you a type of immortality at the cost of your own life.. and your problem is he shouldn't be able to use it without stamina…
Law pointlessly switching personalities as he was angry at them, later propose alliance with Luffy To me, that served a double purpose, limit their activity and get back to Law if they want their bodies back. Oh and just for anyone else thinking why doesn't just Law switch Doflamingo's personality when he had one attack in this chapter. I ask you, do you know how many things Law has to do to complete that? Good luck trying to do that against Doflamingo.
Ugh, there are so much more to list. Like what? Pell?
Yes you might say "this is Shonen! Anything can happen!" Like I said before, it still have to have logic. That is like saying High Fantasy novels should not have logic now if you excuse me I got a sore wrist. This. is. One PIECE!
No offense, but you really act like one of those "smart" people who thinks they know all about One Piece and how it's gonna end like a fact then talks about the "Inherited Will" theory. Needless to say, I had both fun and regret replying to this..
Checked the Bellamy scene, he wasn't shown floating like mr 3 (who for the scene to make sense would need to be floating for a while), he was shown mid sinking who could just have touched the water right there and then.
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Checked the Bellamy scene, he wasn't shown floating like mr 3 (who for the scene to make sense would need to be floating for a while), he was shown mid sinking who could just have touched the water right there and then.
Is this really how far nitpicking has come? Quite frankly I'm shocked.
Edit: Just to be clear I'm not referring to you maxterdexter I'm talking about joekido
Kirk was a guy who just accused people who liked things of being blind fanboys. Darth, who was actually smart and articulate, had nothing on this guy, who literally just dropped in threads to say "OP sucks now". That's why you don't hear much of him.
Magi was mostly a defender of OP, but he was very stubborn and did insult other people in some instances.
Amol's posts were an incoherent mess. He just listed a bunch of random complaints but hardly made any argument with them.
Honestly, Darth was great compared to those guys.
Agree with your point about Kirk always the same shit "chapter sucks" sometimes i wonder if he was a fanboy of another manga who wanted to see One Piece fail, i also agree on the darth part sometimes is post gets under my skin but he help the thread along and help others to develop better post to counter him i really wish he didn't get banned at least. I won't miss is negativity but in between is barage of post he had some good ones
Coruscation is another example of great critical posting. The Franky Tank and kouch_lee are more on the positive side, but they're also very competent critics too.
Maybe I should try taking a more critical approach too. Not intending to replace Darth or anything, but I think that could inject more quality in the threads.
^^ for masterdexter and hyato i think you know this as it relates to the deadly gas it wasn't an instant kill but the new type was suppose to leave who it caught paralyze and kill them slowly, as the first one persons affected was able to crawl away and just ended up paralyze. I agree it should have been instant death i never like that part about it too but i have move on like how i move on from Sanji nose bleed
Naruto and Bleach were getting terrible because of blatant plotholes and retcons, something OP has yet to have.
Some of Oda's decisions are pretty questionable, but that's not an exclusively recent thing.
I know I said I was not coming back to reply on this topic. However this caught my attention. Can you give me an example of how bad Naruto's potholes compared One Piece?
And once again I'm intending to replace Darth, just a guy pointing things out and I will do it again. However I still like One Piece and I apologize if I started an outlash
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Jumping the shark is a term that was originally used for a moment in a TV show that marks a big decline in quality. You might say I'm hoping One Piece doesn't jump the shark.
I really think New World needs more mystery and exploration now and less big fights and events that "will cause metaphorical tsunamis all over New World". I'm not sure I could take something like Wano liberation right after Dressrosa era.
You know what I meant man..
Also as I agree we need more of exploration and less of "New World Ride" when we know where we are going and that there will be a lot of saving and sometimes there will be also a world country next to saving.
I miss something like Skypiea but in New World.
Zou and Wano should be more "concentrated" on main cast from Island and Strawhats + maybe Heart Pirates(I hope not, enough of Law already) so I think that Dressrosa is biggest arc yet its also biggest setup that series has ever seen, setup for taking down Yonko and even arcs beyond that so as it has faults it should be mostly forgiven for what is it as it will pay back later on. For now its solid 8/10 for me with last fight possibly adding a + to this 8/10. Later on in bigger context even reading this arc will change as we will get new perspective on many things so that also means something, it was almost always like that with One Piece.
As for One Piece dropping in quality - its character slightly changed during Dressrosa and we should really wait to see how kid that Dressrosa sorta was turned out into man 
Arcs in One Piece were always kind of "growing up" and changing perspective, adding to world building A LOT. So you comparing One Piece to Naruto and Bleach downfal might be a sign of jumping to conclusion as you see A LOT of all sorts of manga material and now some opinion like this seems to be formulated too quickly imo.
Sad this thread won't hit 90 page mark.
He's got bunch of kairouseki, his shades are a combination of PH doors, friendship, Diamond and sea stone, hardest stuff in the OPverse they'll never break.
Just laughed out loud.
We reached 69 with a lot of muffin lying around though. I think that calls for celebration.
@joekido:
I know I said I was not coming back to reply on this topic. However this caught my attention. Can you give me an example of how bad Naruto's potholes compared One Piece?
And once again I'm intending to replace Darth, just a guy pointing things out and I will do it again. However I still like One Piece and I apologize if I started an outlash
This reminds me of Hydra monster and 2 heads growing back in place of one..
I envy you lot for having time to complain in depth on problems that your "favourite" manga has in your opinion instead of trying to get more of enjoyment from reading climax of longest arc yet in said manga for what it is now, hoping it gets only better later on.
For me this forum was mostly for getting better understanding of some things, getting to know interesting opinions and different angles on some characters, story, action pieces etc.
Now it looks like complaining starts to get on levels or at least into direction 4chan people actions, people that have nothing better to do beside taking to pieces any game for example and "group complaining" destroying anything and making fun of themselves that they even dont play games anymore and just criticize and analyze everything any game is made of.
Thats why I called it cancer of internet as it grows in different places and takes out a lot of enjoyment from any discussion.
Keep your head cool people when chapter arrives today and try criticism at least balanced to some degree as I already can see different people complaining that Doflamingos fight is not as they envisioned it during whole, very long Dressrosa arc. Time of an arc was extremely long and thats why it might hurt some of you more than usual if something is not the way you imagined. Its not about our expectations but rather Odas choices as an author and almost every questionable choice payed back in future in Odas case. If we would take a bit of OP as whole, an arc and try to complain on its faults - we can destroy any arc with criticism this way, I can do it no problem if I would set it as my "target".
This reminds me of Hydra monster and 2 heads growing back in place of one..
Hmm… to avoid that, I could conduct a seance and channel the spirit of Darth to write his opinion.
@joekido:
I know I said I was not coming back to reply on this topic. However this caught my attention. Can you give me an example of how bad Naruto's potholes compared One Piece?
And once again I'm intending to replace Darth, just a guy pointing things out and I will do it again. However I still like One Piece and I apologize if I started an outlash
Biggest one that comes to my head is whether a tailed-beast host dying would cause the tailed beast to die alongside him/her or not. The 9-tailed Fox would frequently lend its Chakra to Naruto in order for him to not die for self-preservation purposes, even though Naruto dying would allow it to be free again as revealed later in Shippuden.
Then we have Gaara's entire backstory, the one-tailed Shukaku having an entirely different backstory in part 1 (something about an imprisoned priest soul), people somehow not knowing about the Uzumaki clan despite them supposedly being pretty famous, Madara being revived as a young man despite the fact that he died as an old man (Madara alone just retcons stuff left and right), Kakashi being able to use the Mangekyo Sharingan even though that should be biologically impossible (the infamous love cancer), the origins of Chakra, and a few others.
If Dresserossa has one real major legitimate problem, its that it tried to cram in four of five arcs worth of stuff into one place. Some overlap is fine, but the tournament, Rebecca's royal family plotline, the dwarves, the toys, Law's plan, Doflamingo and his families' backstory himself, many of these are things that could have supported their own concentrated arc for a few months.
Had Oda, for instance, had a short breather between Punk Hazard and Dresserossa where the strawhats hit another island controlled by Doflamingo and say, helped out the dwarves (like Little Garden) and gotten in the Law/Dofla backstory there … and then moved onto Dresserosa and helped out the Rebecca and the toys... (and the tournament) it might have flowed a little better.
Having it all at once padded the length out considerably and has led to a bit of arc fatigue... but much like Skypeia and Water 7 at the time, it should generally be better when its all done in one go.
Curious…
In this alternate story; no Sugar? Or just no dwarves plotting for 10 years to bring her down specifically?
! I'm on the more "negative" side when it comes to Dress Rosa, I suppose. But what that means for me is that an arc which should've been a 10/10 and had all the potential in the world to be so has only managed to be an 8/10 because of a lot of unfortunate problems and bad decisions. I've been harshly critical of Oda from time to time but it's simply because I've come to expect so much from the quality of his past work. Much and more on Dress Rosa tells me Oda's creativity and penchant for engaging and entertaining drama hasn't remotely run dry, but his execution has slipped so much when I compare it to how well-told and focused of a story Skypiea was, or how Arabasta is an expertly executed classic Shounen romp, or just how much we felt for our beloved main characters in the CP9 saga. The bloated narrative is the chief problem here. It seems to me that it's the source of most other problems. The jumping around so much, the lack of focus, the extensive filler-like run-from-place-to-place, some characters doing practically nothing but hanging around… it's all a result of the narrative having more characters and subplots than it has the panel time to adequately deal with.
! But I also think, with absolute sincerity, and I don't really know how controversial this is around here, that a lot of the characters here simply aren't very good ones by OP standards. The entire Riku family and the dwarves are my chief culprits. They have little personality, have generic backstories and bland objectives. Maybe people like Pell, Chaka and Cobra, or the Shandian chief and Conis, weren't all that much more colorful. At least Gan Fall could facefault and Cobra could goof off. But in any case characters like this took up much, much less panel time. Oda focused almost entirely on what was most important: the Straw Hats and Vivi battling Baroque Works. On Dress Rosa these supporting characters have taken up colossal amounts of panel time. A lot of people seem to blame the Colosseum fighters, and while I admit the Colosseum did the least for the plot, and would probably be the first thing to cut from a cold hard logical perspective, I would never want it gone because its characters were colorful. They are packed to the brim with personality, variety and OP's trademark mixture of badass and quirky. This makes them easily engaging to me because these are some of One Piece's strengths as a series. I'm more interested in Sai due to his colorful personality and stylish… style... than I am in Kyros despite the latter's page up and page down of sad backstory and save-the-kingdom/save-my-daughter plot. From the kids on PH, to the Riku family's story here, I'm concerned that Oda seems to think that simply making something sad is enough for it to be engaging. So much time has been spent on these two groups of characters and to me, at least, it's just not paying off proportionally by a country mile. Oda's done more with less before.
! Senõr Pink's simple little backstory worked so much better to me than all of the Riku family's combined. It's not that it was better in concept, per se, but it was better in execution and involved such an incredibly likeable, colorful character. We see how incredibly well Law's flashback worked and it owes that in large part to its wonderful characters. This, that a large portion of the cast is just not very likeable, is one of the arc's biggest flaws for me that can't be entirely pinned on the bloated narrative. Oda most definitely spent as much time as was justified on the Riku family and dwarves but they're still not doing anything for me. Part of it is the lack of focus, but if the characters were truly interesting I imagine I would have felt more like I do about the Donquixote family – great in concept, but I wish I'd seen more. Instead I just feel... meh. At best it's just "OK". And it's just not up to Oda standards, judging by his past work, to spend so much time on something only for it to be OK at best.
! Anyway, not sure if this belonged here... but the faults of Dress Rosa was brought up and I thought I'd try to explain some of what I feel has been lacking. I honestly don't feel I'm being unjustifiably negative. I think this arc just had so much more potential and it's been harmed a lot by its execution.
But does "not very likeable" automatically equal == "simply aren't very good characters by OP's standards"?
I would not say decent, I'd say Akainu plays a very effective villain. And that is refreshing. There is no bullshit with him. I will destroy even the slightest scrap of a hint of evil, even if it outright directly kills innocent civilians. That's interesting to me. He's an overzealous dangerous man, and he's only predictable in that you know he will go too far.
So, there's the personality trait that makes him interesting. And he's nowhere near a generic stone-face badass. I think of hardly any of his shit as "badass".
Funny how that same "no bull$&@" guy, in a war filled with "these evil pirates"; took the time, and even momentarily prioritized a random Marine running from fear for his life, for being in a war filled with 'easily - kill- him- monsters', over those same "war filled with "these evil pirates""…
That final couple of panels in the chapter gave me chills…..I'm going crazy already waiting.....Doffy is something else....surely Gamma Knife is going to have its lasting effects even with Doffy's power working to preserve his organs...holy hell this chapter was insane....too much.....awesome.
Yeah that very fact kinda gave me the feeling that DD will either lose, or this fight gets interrupted;but no matter what DD will escape this island/ situation. Kinda like we get to see how WB would've lived after the War with such a debilitating injury.
Wouldn't mind him facing a domino effect slew of defeats/ losses, due to his weakness, but then w. e. stuff/ plans he's already put into motion since his arrival on Dressrosa, will be set off.
And either more people will come to target DD, because they know it somehow originated from him, and whoever he set them up to hate; or the world basically starts slowly imploding at each other with him being totally forgotten, non credited, weakening, and fading into obscurity of non- importance, a fitting fate worse than death for DD's personality, but also letting him go out partially getting his goal, and a little respect, even if he's unaware of it.
Obviously hoping for the second choice but either seems like an interesting end of possibilities.
I feel like this arc is gonna have a huge flip as soon as luffy beats dofla like burgess/Sabo/Fuji wrecking shit
Throw in at least the possibility of CP0, and I'm in total and complete agreement.
And here we go. Time to finish this god damn last fight in this arc. Took it too long.
But in fact this isn't a fair fight. Doflamingo was injured too much by Law.
For those saying Luffy is up against a handicapped Doflamingo, it's not like Luffy was sitting and relaxing while waiting to fight him. He fought in the Colosseum against Chinjao and then he fought his way to the palace twice and finally he fought Bellamy and fake Doflamingo and let Bellamy hit him pretty hard. So I would say that Doflamingo is definitely not at his best shape but same goes for Luffy.
Also, THE PACE IS KILLING ME! When the "last battle" manga was released I though I would see some doflamingo vs Luffy action but it took 3 chapters to begin the battle and it will actually start on the 4rth one…..
Exactly.
If people can give Law so much credit, and now DD credit, don't skimp on the Luffy credit as well.
It might just be me, but I have a feeling Law might be done after this arc. His whole purpose for everything that happened was to defeat Doflamingo, and after that happens, he doesn't really have a purpose. After he gets healed he might just part ways with the crew after this arc, they'll still remain Ally's, but I think they'll go their seperate ways.
I don't know. I think the fact that Oda assembled + basically split the Supernovas into these 3 specific groups/ categories: Law Luffy Alliance, Hawkins Kidd Apoo Alliance, (X Drake with Kaidoh doesn't really count), Urogue, Capone, and Jewelry Bonney even separately, even on their own particular separate goals forms the last group. While Law could go his own way and join that group of solo crews; at this point, after this far, I don't see us not seeing Bepo again, ( partially greatly hope), possibly in conjunction purely with the Swirlyhats for a while. Also see these alliances as just possibly gaining more members or those solo Most Dangerous Generation members forming their own Alliance. But the forming of that 1st Alliance( Kidd Apoo Hawkins Alliance),shows that they will need to stay that way, in some form, to parallel each other; Somewhat in the way people point to Luffy paralleling BB's journey. Earlier some1 bought up 1 Alliance each taking out a Yonkou in their own separate but similar ways; besides the much shorter, more disappointing route of making the Yonkou fight, and the Alliance(s) picking the scraps, both seem viable. But I would prefer the 1st route. Then afterwards I think Oda would show us the importance of Robin's words about Pirate Alliances notoriously not ending well.
Aside from this, i really like how we have Doffy that is not a mary sue villain, that gets hit and suffers, instead of being a smug ass dude untouched only to lose with a bullshit in the end. He has ups and downs for both his physical abilites and planning abilities, so he can make mistakes but can also work around them.
Agreed.
Where is the chapter guys ? ? ? i keep searching for it today :wassat:
Kirk was a guy who just accused people who liked things of being blind fanboys. Darth, who was actually smart and articulate, had nothing on this guy, who literally just dropped in threads to say "OP sucks now". That's why you don't hear much of him.
Magi was mostly a defender of OP, but he was very stubborn and did insult other people in some instances.
Amol's posts were an incoherent mess. He just listed a bunch of random complaints but hardly made any argument with them.
Honestly, Darth was great compared to those guys.
I actually liked Magi's first appearance and him pwning ppl left and right before it got boring. Strangely enough I also liked reading Amol's posts, they are so innocent or naive if I may call it that, he just wrote what he felt like. He's probably new to the manga or pretty young in age.
him pwning ppl left and right.
Being generally abrasive and totally dismissing other peoples arguments just because they clash with your own does not constitute "pwning ppl".
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
I remember just giving up and telling Magi he was right a couple of times. Discussing with him could be so tiring.
Being generally abrasive and totally dismissing other peoples arguments just because they clash with your own does not constitute "pwning ppl".
Don't get me wrong I specifically mentioned two important points to clarify, "first appearance" and "before it got boring" that time when he made that impression on me was on a single chapter discussion thread, his posting quality dropped significantly after. But on that specific thread, I won't lie it was fun to read. I could point you to it if you want?
edit: let me reread it again first, to see whether or not quoting those posts would be insulting to others.
This day just gets better and better though it's quite a shame Darth couldn't get it together I felt such joy seeing Kirks name slashed out signifying his ban. That guy did nothing but post trash and I'm glad we will no longer have to endure his rancid shit posts any longer. May he burn in forum hell.
Still, I was a lurker for a long time, and I have to admit, seeing the effect those people had on the board is fascinating.
Though whatever it will be considered terrible or great in years to come, remains to be seen.
Negativity on the board should lessen a bit, now that they are gone, if only because those dreadfully bitter arguments won't be seen in such volume.
chapter is out http://www.readmanga.today/one-piece/782/1
Which site?
I was like Monkey King light on MH before I got in one too many disagreements with one of the admins, after which he started provoking with silly infractions, posts deletions, stuff like that. It ultimately ended in a three month ban. Not sure if I'd ever make a profile here if it weren't for that.
Saiyanisland actually. The site is dead in the One Piece section as of late which is why I made my account here.
I'm sure you noticed there are quite a few people who never have any complaints and always argue against complaints other people have. Always justifyng whatever move the author makes. It awfully reminds of what happened with Naruto and Bleach when they started getting bad/worse.
After seeing some of the decisions Oda had made with Dressrosa, I can't help but be worried that OP will end up the same.
Well said, I feel the same way. Naruto and Bleach went down in quality dramaticly. I don't want that for One Piece but it's starting to look like it may happen, especially after reading this chapter. I wasn't a fan of Fishman Island. Punk Hazard wasn't awful but nothing special. Dressrosa gave me hope yet has been one dissappointment after another.
@sabinis:
Thats really jumping shark there Razh..
Its far to early into New World to be worried that much
No it isn't. We are not only three arcs into Part 2, but Dressrosa has been a gigantic sized arc. Fishman Island was also far from being short. This has been more than enough time to be worried.
@Robby:
If Dresserossa has one real major legitimate problem, its that it tried to cram in four of five arcs worth of stuff into one place. Some overlap is fine, but the tournament, Rebecca's royal family plotline, the dwarves, the toys, Law's plan, Doflamingo and his families' backstory himself, many of these are things that could have supported their own concentrated arc for a few months.
Had Oda, for instance, had a short breather between Punk Hazard and Dresserossa where the strawhats hit another island controlled by Doflamingo and say, helped out the dwarves (like Little Garden) and gotten in the Law/Dofla backstory there … and then moved onto Dresserosa and helped out the Rebecca and the toys... (and the tournament) it might have flowed a little better.
Having it all at once padded the length out considerably and has led to a bit of arc fatigue... but much like Skypeia and Water 7 at the time, it should generally be better when its all done in one go.
That would have possibly helped, yes.
Jumping the shark is a term that was originally used for a moment in a TV show that marks a big decline in quality. You might say I'm hoping One Piece doesn't jump the shark.
I really think New World needs more mystery and exploration now and less big fights and events that "will cause metaphorical tsunamis all over New World". I'm not sure I could take something like Wano liberation right after Dressrosa era.
Agreed, I'd like something more about the adventure and less about fighting or "making big waves in the new world". We need something fun and exciting that somehow gives us a break from the types of things Dressrosa has brought us.
@Robby:
Yeah. Nothing wrong with the storylines Oda's done here.
Just the amount of them he packed together all at once clogging up the pipeline.
Can you imagine if Alabasta had had Little Garden in the middle of it, Drum has been another desert Kingdom and Chopper one of Vivi's random friends, and Laboon had been in Croc's personal tank or something? There's a certain level of overload and I think Oda hit that point… its telling that he took out half the crew a year ago.
Well said.
@Razh:
Well, it sure isn't dead here. Arlong Park, the forum of new beginnings.
Agreed. Definitely lots of activity here lol
Darth was banned…? The ocean is a cruel place to sail. It sure is gonna be quiet soon.
Darth was banned…? The ocean is a cruel place to sail. It sure is gonna be quiet soon.
LOL not so fast! he's already back
Still, I was a lurker for a long time, and I have to admit, seeing the effect those people had on the board is fascinating.
Though whatever it will be considered terrible or great in years to come, remains to be seen.
Negativity on the board should lessen a bit, now that they are gone, if only because those dreadfully bitter arguments won't be seen in such volume.
You don't say.:ninja:
You don't say.:ninja:
Don't I.
I'm so glad he is gone. Now the legitimate critisism can prevail, instead of name calling just because Darth said something.
It got to the point where the mere fact of him posting anywhere in manga section instantly sent the thread spiraling downwards.
Banning him was an excellent move.
Don't I.
I'm so glad he is gone. Now the legitimate critisism can prevail, instead of name calling just because Darth said something.
It got to the point where the mere fact of him posting anywhere in manga section instantly sent the thread spiraling downwards.
Banning him was an excellent move.
Oh, really now?
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Yes. .
