100. 100.100.100.100.100.100..100. How funny if doffy lost toa single punch? Then fuji destroy burgess ship arresting him along with the small fry pirates on dressorosa. Fuji would save face. Then telling luffy, strawhat…... i will come get you, if smoker don't beat me to it....
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Please, do not compare Riku to Ghandi. It is not fair.
If only because he didn't ask violent criminals for help, rooting for them from behind
Your talking about kYou??? Man that's the fucking point! Riku took a savage beast and turned him into a peaceful man who defends his family…
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Your talking about kYou??? Man that's the fucking point! Riku took a savage beast and turned him into a peaceful man who defends his family…
"Peaceful"… All right.
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It feels good being on page 100.
So It's either Gear 4th or we move back to Sanji's group Vs Big mom..
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I just find it funny how no matter what the chapter talks about, everything will go to Justice and injustice and bring in parts from past chapters and create entire arguements about them.
We should play a game called, "find out what derailed that thread!"
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Riku is inactive because he is weak
Fixed that for you bro.
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Verus and Darth aren't the same person, there names are different.
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Verus and Darth aren't the same person, there names are different.
Their and there are different :ninja:
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Hypocrisy as they hold gladiator matches??? Nothing wrong with men settling things through violent competition. In boxing I have made someone my best friends exchanging fists. Absurdities?? Yeah in the doffy taking over night somewhat. But what counts and the point oda I think was trying to make was he stuck too his guns even in the darkest hour. Ghandi would under no circumstances break his word on his convictions I know he wasn't a king but ina way he was anyway, tho you must understand we are reading a Manga and things might seem a little exaggerated or simple/unreasonable.
If you want to compare a historical figure in this context, Gandhi would be a really bad idea…
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Doflamingo, on two occasions, has outright destroyed Law. With his organs held together by string, he is still keeping up with Luffy. Kyros is at best in the range of Zoro and Sanji. And we saw what happened when Sanji fought DD.
I disagreeee~~
As for destroying Law - second fight would not take as long as it did if Doflamingo would strong enough to "destroy" Law. Also in latter part of round two between them Doflamingo was backed by Trebol. On bridge Law was tired after trying to stall both Doflamingo and Fujitora(an admiral you know) and before getting to Green Bit he mentioned he wants to save as much stamina as he can. He was quite a bit tired and he didnt had time to conserve any energy between Green Bit fight and fight on Bridge. At that time he was fast enough to slice Doflamingos cheek, being close to landing fatal blow to Doflamingos head. Law was not destroyed, he was overwhelmed by fresh, bit stronger enemy.
When Law was in cuffs he said himself that he managed to rest/ get back some energy before fight at top of palace and when he was going at it with Doflamingo he managed to land a hit on him during their fight thanks to provocating Doffy.
Kyros being on par with Zoro or Sanji? Well maybe at this moment he is, with one leg. He was pictured as beast that with all handicaps still walked over Diamante and guy who was undefeated for 3 000 fights. To me its a hint that he is in leaque with lower top like Doflamingo, Vista, Marco, Jozu. He is quite a legend, I see Sanji or Zoro as people that are close to "prime Kyros" but not perfectly on par with him. Maybe Zoro would be very close but surely not Sanji as he is now.
With both legs I mean as it DOES change a lot when it comes to fighting. -
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It feels good being on page 100.
So It's either Gear 4th or we move back to Sanji's group Vs Big mom..
Second one hopefully… Oda pweease :cwy:
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It would be funny if we would see Doflamingo running away from Luffy - from Laws and Cabbage perspective - at first few pages of new chapter
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2000 replies. Effect of 4th gear.
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2000 replies. Effect of 4th gear.
No not really since most of it was about Akainu and his justice and Nico Robin +Spandam and the golden den den mushi
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I keep forgetting that today is Tuesday and that the chapter doesn't come out for another 24 hours.
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Or rather Wednesday for almost everyone else.
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lol 160 viewing at 1AM dat pre gear 4th thirst
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Damn, I miss when chapters came out on Wednesday mornings. It was that perfect midweek break.
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lol 160 viewing at 1AM dat pre gear 4th thirst
the thirst is real. I desire luffy to turn my gears and rev me up. #nohomo
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lol 160 viewing at 1AM dat pre gear 4th thirst
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the thirst is real. I desire luffy to turn my gears and rev me up. #nohomo
Luffy's got to have Nos at some point
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Yeah but the spoilers probly wont be out until at the very least 24 hours from like now
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Don't kill the hope
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Wait. Who thinks that? They don't know better than Fujitora. Fujitora will prove that in a few months.
But what they do know are various rules and regulations. So, if a marine is questioning why Fujitora isn't arresting Doflamingo, I would assume that Fujitora can arrest Doflamingo at that point.
But in no way do I think that what Fujitora is doing is wrong because subordinates are questioning him. He must have some sort of reason for his actions. We will see his reasons sooner or later.I am no military expert. But I do understand that a chain of command without questions is necessary in any form of battle.
Especially in drastic situations when time is scarce. Such questions and discussions are fine on a forum, but in battle every moment counts.My mistake on the 1st thing then, my apologies.
"Time is scarce/. Every moment counts"…
Can you really say that as a reason knowing that in nearly any situation similar to what happened, out of that precious scarce time; it would nearly every time take longer to kill some1, than to just say no, ignore them, or a few other things that didn't involve him actually just killing some1 you couldn't even say went anywhere near as far as insubordination?
Especially since the guys question can be seen as not necessarily questioning orders, but making sure he had understood the orders correctly.
And I would say 'battle' is quite a loose term as every BC shown seems to be an overwhelming slaughter where no 1 is really fighting back. It( delay of time), would seemingly at most lessen the damage by some fraction of 1 as they would get right back to their slaughter.We are not assigning blame here. Just analizing here behavior.
Yes, in this case the perpetrator would have been WG (Or rather, Spandam, since there was no evidence that Gorosei wanted anything more than to have the weapons in their hands). We can't even be certain it would actually lead to the world burning.
However, Robin clearly believed it would. And she did it anyways. Would she acted any different if the one making the threat would be Yonkou? Or some other powerful pirate?
Sacrificing the good of the world for your own selfish beliefs is why Ohara burned. And Robin does not disprove it was a wrong justification. If anything, she enforces it.
Seems like you manage to do both.
I can't say if the threat was from a Yonkou, or some other powerful pirate; too many variables changes. Just like you can't realistically say if they would be anywhere near as effective without having the Buster Call's past specific emotional psychological scars to constantly hold over Robin as their biggest bargaining chip?
Seeing as how Robin's behavior directly stems from that experience in the 1st place, and all the experiences derived from what the WG did to her it would be hard to discuss her behavior, while actually actively dismissing what led to her behavior, in large part, wouldn't it?You say the Marines might not have done anything, but the same applies to Yonkou's/ other powerful pirates, like Croc it could have been different information than they were expecting, too much of a hassle to get certain things, or just could have appeared useless/ non -profitable to start something over the info found. Hell we even have a past example in her denying Croc what limited answers he wanted, but the situation was different as no SH's as nakama, and he didn't have the resources the WG had. And by that I mean, I see no "Yonkou/ other powerful pirates" having/ actively committing the resources to that which the WG had the ability to commit just a fraction of itself to and be nearly successful with. We've been told that the WG, as well as other Yonkou's movements are monitored by the WG/ Marines, and other Yonkou; devoting the amount of forces necessary to not only capture Nico Robin alive, but also her crew mates, (so you have something similar to EL to bargain/ force her to do what you want, after they've entered the New World), and this time where you have no clever methodology having the SH's doubting themselves over Robin's confusing actions, all the while this seemingly leaving a lack of power in other areas for others to target and attack, would seem too detrimental an opening to leave for Yonkou, and especially other "powerful pirates".
You can't acknowledge the slim possibility of said thing not happening, without acknowledging the same slim possibility of another, or other things not happening?…
Then you'd have to add that if this is so true, so much a possibility of happening; the New World should/ would/ could be filled with multiple, or even 1 example soon of these pirates going specifically for Nico Robin, while the SH's are still newbies to the NW. The low probability of that happening would likely stem from the idea that the WG would've been the only ones, ironically going directly against what they claimed, to actually largely pursue this. Thus making Ohara seem so redundantly unnecessary, ( except for the sake of appearances/ deception, which in no way becomes worth the price), it's not funny; it's just weird.Lastly something which is purely POV, so I can't prove really, I believe Robin's words were a response to something about her very existence being wrong in the 1st place, in something even similar I wouldn't really take her words quite so literally as you seem to be doing for your point; "angry clouded minds" and all that.
As for the underlined, that seems to be completely from your own POV, which I can't argue against as there would be no point, but also can't consider as no where near actual fact.
… How would having an authority figure that people trust on the scene make the situation worse?
It is somewhat counter-intuitive, don't you think?
Also, page one hundred! Yay!
Well if it doesn't add anything, or make the situation actually better, all it does is add 1 more useless body to an already bad situation, with people already out of control; adding the possibility of something happening to that "useless body", which then demands they have one more person to save.
Yes thus making the situation worse."Hey you're doing absolutely nothing but being here, Riku, but the fact that you're an authority figure we trust has calmed us, given us hope, and soothed our weary spirits….
But wait we calmed down and relaxed a bit too much on these parasited people we were holding back, and now they've broken free again.
Thanks a lot Riku!"
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Spreading knowledge and information is selfish?
If it can possibly lead to hundreds of people dying? Sure.
Honestly, considering how the world treated Robin so far, I don't blame her for wanting the world burn. Chalk it up to emotions.
Why would it matter? We are talking about Sakazuki's justification here. And how he isn't exactly wrong.
Robin has an excuse. Great. What would amoral bastard bend of world order care?
Hell, would you care? If a thug murdered your family, would you let him go because he had difficult childhood and his father beat him up?
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Any chance we get an early release as is sometimes the case when there's a holiday in Japan ?
(100 pages, seriously ? We all badly need our Gear 4 fix :D )
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"Time is scarce/. Every moment counts"…
Can you really say that as a reason knowing that in nearly any situation similar to what happened, out of that precious scarce time; it would nearly every time take longer to kill some1, than to just say no, ignore them, or a few other things that didn't involve him actually just killing some1 you couldn't even say went anywhere near as far as insubordination?
Especially since the guys question can be seen as not necessarily questioning orders, but making sure he had understood the orders correctly.Ignoring would be a viable option if he was the one shooting. But he had to command others who will shoot the ship.
As long as the soldiers have doubt in their mind, ignoring will lead to more people questioning his orders rather than following them.You can probably say that he chose a pretty extreme measure but drastic measures are required in drastic circumstances. He could have warned him but he chose to set an example instead. An amoral but more efficient thing to do in the middle of a battle.
@LUFFYSMC:
And I would say 'battle' is quite a loose term as every BC shown seems to be an overwhelming slaughter where no 1 is really fighting back. It( delay of time), would seemingly at most lessen the damage by some fraction of 1 as they would get right back to their slaughter.
Luffy and Lucci were fighting each other evenly and causing disastrous collateral damage. That was no slaughter.
There was a small time span where the two devil fruit users were on a ship in the sea. It was a small chance to sink the ship to defeat the DF users.
A little delay and a golden chance would have slipped leading to way more casualties than what shooting the ship would do.
Granted, Luffy escaped because of his abilities, but there is no way the Onigumo could have known that in advance. -
Any chance we get an early release as is sometimes the case when there's a holiday in Japan ?
(100 pages, seriously ? We all badly need our Gear 4 fix :D )
No, the early chapter will come next week
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If it can possibly lead to hundreds of people dying? Sure.
That's not selfish. Dangerous? Sure. But not selfish.
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A) I can't defend his inability to do something, I give you that. Maybe he's just a weary old man.
As seen in the arena, where he beats man half his age senseless with dull sword.
B) True, forgot about Vergo.
And Sugar as well.
C) WHHAAAT?!? The Marines are the police of One Piece! Protecting people is one, if not the only goal of them. irony on I agree with you, you can't compare the morality of these two. Riku is just a king, like Wapol, who doesn't care for his people, while Akainu swore an oath or so. irony off Come on, you are defending Sakazuki when you claim that he, as a policeman, is moraly right to kill people, while someone, who rules a land because of his blood, shouldn't do it (and didn't do it). And don't forget who is the current ruler of Dressrosa and what he does atm.
If you twist my words one more time, I will never speak to you again.
Never had I claimed that Sakazuki was moraly right to kill people. This is an outright lie, and I will not stand for it. So quit it.
And what, the fact that Doflamingo is ruling the country justifies his inaction? The problem is one of moral inconsistency, since Riku has been shown to be a moral person, deeply caring for his citizens, and yet he does nothing.
Sakazuki, on the other, has been established as amoral bastard.
He shouldn't be one because of his position, you argue. Fine, though I will point out that historicaly, he is extremly mild example. However, A) You do not know what kind of obligation he has, since they were never disclosed B) I do not care for either position, from pure character stand-point, one is contradictory, and the other is not.
I can't believe what I'm reading. You're joking right? Of which Robin are you talking about? The traumatized kid on Ohara? Or the Robin on Water Seven, willing to go into prison forever to save her friends? Are you actually reading this manga? She didn't tell anything about the weapon to Crocodile, for example. The WG and Spandine killed her mother, she had every reason to let them burn. Did she? No.
Yes, I have been reading the manga. And I quite clearly remember Robin outright stating that she did not care if the world burned, as long as her friends were safe.
And yes, she did not give Crocodile the weapon. She was, however, perfectly content to let him murder people and cause civil war, as long as it meant she could read a stone.
Honestly.
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That's not selfish. Dangerous? Sure. But not selfish.
Depends. Are you revealing said information purely for satisfaction? Because that would be considered selfish.
In all honesty, I've always had trouble considering Ohara's research and intetions as anything else than foolhardy. Perhaps that's why I do not care much for defending it, even as devil's advocate.
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Your talking about kYou??? Man that's the fucking point! Riku took a savage beast and turned him into a peaceful man who defends his family…
You mean the guy who swore ruthless vengeance against both Diamante and Doflamingo?
Please. For all the preaching about how war is evil, Rikus are entirely content to use it to their advantage. They are bunch of hypocrites.
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Why is One Piece greatest fight to date being said to be a slaughter session for Lucci?
Luffy was at the point of death.
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Why is One Piece greatest fight to date being said to be a slaughter session for Lucci?
Luffy was at the point of death.
am i the only one that think his fight against croc was more epic? :)
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am i the only one that think his fight against croc was more epic? :)
Well the first two rounds wasnt even a fight. It was a slaughter session.
I'll need to re-read the fight. However the Lucci fight was a dragged out brawl of pure strength, endurance and power.
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am i the only one that think his fight against croc was more epic? :)
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Depends. Are you revealing said information purely for satisfaction? Because that would be considered selfish.
Joey Tribbiani? @Verus:
In all honesty, I've always had trouble considering Ohara's research and intetions as anything else than foolhardy. Perhaps that's why I do not care much for defending it, even as devil's advocate.
They want to study the history of the world. I have never thought of the study of history as something necessary but considering that it is an established practice in the modern society, I don't see much wrong with Oharans trying to study the history too.
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Joey Tribbiani?
Sorry, never watched Friends. I don't get it.
They want to study the history of the world. I have never thought of the study of history as something necessary but considering that it is an established practice in the modern society, I don't see much wrong with Oharans trying to study the history too.
It was against the law, under punishment of death.
There things to be said about study of history, but everything in moderation. Just because you like biology, it doesn't mean you should find new interesting ways to breed anthrax with just your home equipment, and tell everyone about them.
For starters, how do you stop the knowledge of how to read them from leaking out, or being reverse engineered? Even if the Oharans themselfs had no intention of waking up weapons, it would surely lead to that conclusion regardless.
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Sorry, never watched Friends. I don't get it.
You should. It's quite hilarious. Anyways. Joey states that there are no selfless deeds in the world and every one is selfish. Phoebe points out something good she did for her brother. Joey: "It was a nice thing and all, but it made you feel good right?" Phoebe: "Yeah, so?" Joey: "It made you feel good so that makes it selfish. Look, there's no unselfish good deeds. Sorry." @Verus:
It was against the law, under punishment of death. There things to be said about study of history, but everything in moderation. Just because you like biology, it doesn't mean you should find new interesting ways to breed anthrax with just your home equipment, and tell everyone about them. For starters, how do you stop the knowledge of how to read them from leaking out, or being reverse engineered? Even if the Oharans themselfs had no intention of waking up weapons, it would surely lead to that conclusion regardless.
Now, you are just exaggerating their endeavors. I don't remember Oharans trying to teach anyone how to read Poneglyphs. They just want to share the result of the research, rather than the ability to research. And I highly doubt that they would be less mature than the Roger Pirates who were composed enough to keep the history hidden once they found it. They were just curious. Nothing wrong with being curious.
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You should. It's quite hilarious. Anyways. Joey states that there are no selfless deeds in the world and every one is selfish. Phoebe points out something good she did for her brother. Joey: "It was a nice thing and all, but it made you feel good right?" Phoebe: "Yeah, so?" Joey: "It made you feel good so that makes it selfish. Look, there's no unselfish good deeds. Sorry."
Joey was just like the classics then. That perfectly fits what Kant said about truly good deeds.
Heh. A proof that some wisdoms are eternal.
Now, you are just exaggerating their endeavors. I don't remember Oharans trying to teach anyone how to read Poneglyphs. They just want to share the result of the research, rather than the ability to research. And I highly doubt that they would be less mature than the Roger Pirates who were composed enough to keep the history hidden once they found it. They were just curious. Nothing wrong with being curious.
Oppenheimer and Einstein did not work on atomic physics with the intention of creating weapons of mass destruction. Well, at least no initialy.
And Clover's words implied that he knew, and was still willing to reveal it. And as I said… reverse engineering.
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the search for and attainment of knowledge is a high goal.no matter what,you cannot and should not hamper that.It is what makes us humans.the fact is that the ancient weapons were a dangerous side effect to studying poneglyphs,but that doesn't mean that you stop seeking knowledge completely.if any semblance of freedom is to be achieved by people,knowledge cannot be suppresed.
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Oppenheimer and Einstein did not work on atomic physics with the intention of creating weapons of mass destruction. Well, at least no initialy.
Are you really questioning the study of relativity and nuclear energy? Because the advantages outweigh any unwanted consequence it might have had by a long shot.
And Clover's words implied that he knew, and was still willing to reveal it. And as I said… reverse engineering.
Only he didn't know. That's why they were still researching.
He probably has the same vague idea about Government being evil as most of the readers.
In which case it might be a necessity to know the history and spread the knowledge.I just can't see pirates trusting the government once they know history while high intellectuals not being able to do so.
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the search for and attainment of knowledge is a high goal.no matter what,you cannot and should not hamper that.It is what makes us humans.the fact is that the ancient weapons were a dangerous side effect to studying poneglyphs,but that doesn't mean that you stop seeking knowledge completely.if any semblance of freedom is to be achieved by people,knowledge cannot be suppresed.
What are your thoughts on researching and modifying human genome?
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I disagreeee~~
As for destroying Law - second fight would not take as long as it did if Doflamingo would strong enough to "destroy" Law. Also in latter part of round two between them Doflamingo was backed by Trebol. On bridge Law was tired after trying to stall both Doflamingo and Fujitora(an admiral you know) and before getting to Green Bit he mentioned he wants to save as much stamina as he can. He was quite a bit tired and he didnt had time to conserve any energy between Green Bit fight and fight on Bridge. At that time he was fast enough to slice Doflamingos cheek, being close to landing fatal blow to Doflamingos head. Law was not destroyed, he was overwhelmed by fresh, bit stronger enemy.
When Law was in cuffs he said himself that he managed to rest/ get back some energy before fight at top of palace and when he was going at it with Doflamingo he managed to land a hit on him during their fight thanks to provocating Doffy.
Kyros being on par with Zoro or Sanji? Well maybe at this moment he is, with one leg. He was pictured as beast that with all handicaps still walked over Diamante and guy who was undefeated for 3 000 fights. To me its a hint that he is in leaque with lower top like Doflamingo, Vista, Marco, Jozu. He is quite a legend, I see Sanji or Zoro as people that are close to "prime Kyros" but not perfectly on par with him. Maybe Zoro would be very close but surely not Sanji as he is now.
With both legs I mean as it DOES change a lot when it comes to fighting.I suppose it was an exaggeration to state that Doflaminog has destroyed Law, but he has shown himself as superior, in my opinion. And I'm sorry, but even with two legs, I can't see Kyros in the same league as those you've mentioned. Maroc was considered a Yonkou candidate, Jozu made Kuzan bleed, Vista sparred with Mihawk… Does beating those unnamed 3000 people put him in that range? I don't think so. And I don't think that the fight with Diamente was as easy as you're portraying it. Kyros was fairly torn up by the caltrops and the leg shot. With two legs, yes, he would probably beat him with more ease. But Zoro beat Pica without being hit. Law took out Vergo with one hit- albeit Vergo had endured a pretty gruelling fight with Smoker. Trebol... the less said about Trebol the better. In all honesty, the difference between the seats and Doflamingo looks to be quite significant. So to put Kyros with two legs on Doflamingo's level... it just seems a stretch to me.
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Sorry, are people really contesting that Doffy destroyed Law?
Aside from one injection shot, Doffy has spent all of their battles slapping Law around pretty thoroughly.
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Sorry, are people really contesting that Doffy destroyed Law?
Aside from one injection shot, Doffy has spent all of their battles slapping Law around pretty thoroughly.
And you know, that one bullshit attack that completly destroys your every internal organ.
That was only countered by strings being able to hold every destroyed organ together. Because, again, bullshit.
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Two chapters later, Law's health will be back to normal. Fruit game strong
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And you know, that one bullshit attack that completly destroys your every internal organ.
That was only countered by strings being able to hold every destroyed organ together. Because, again, bullshit.
I never understand why people call the two most sensible powers as bullshit.
Law has an operation fruit. Being able to slice organs makes way more sense than teleporting.
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Are you really questioning the study of relativity and nuclear energy? Because the advantages outweigh any unwanted consequence it might have had by a long shot.
No, I'm pointing out that the original intentions can be changed with time to create something negative.
Only he didn't know. That's why they were still researching.
He probably has the same vague idea about Government being evil as most of the readers.
In which case it might be a necessity to know the history and spread the knowledge.I just can't see pirates trusting the government once they know history while high intellectuals not being able to do so.
He didn't? Perhaps I remembering it wrong. He got some conclusions, he was just shot before he could reveal them.
And the idea that just because something happened 800 years ago, every incarnation of the goverment afterwards is evil seems… silly.
I don't think that the knowledge goverment wants burried is something as simple as "We did something bad!".
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And what, the fact that Doflamingo is ruling the country justifies his inaction? The problem is one of moral inconsistency, since Riku has been shown to be a moral person, deeply caring for his citizens, and yet he does nothing.
Family that deeply care about each other can go days, weeks, months, and even years getting by on the occasional: "Hey, how are you? How you feeling? What's new? How's life treating you?"
And depending on their distance from each other, it could take days/ weeks for information of harm or even a troubling situation to even reach their attention, let alone how long it could take for them to make a decision on what to do about it.
And yet you want, ( even counting Viola and her miracle bird's perspective), Riku to run around trying to save lives just because he himself is alive, and "cares"?, even though this has all been in a span of just a few troubling hours in the 1st place, and not sure just how bad off this! definitely injured, 50+ yr old might be?….But Riku's not moral because he's not doing the near equivalent of jumping back into a burning neighborhood to save at least 1 person personally, while Firefighters are already actively trying to put out the fires, and spreading fires?....
Sounds like we're replacing/ interchanging "moral" with "ridiculously overly generously selflessly nice" in this case.Yes, I have been reading the manga. And I quite clearly remember Robin outright stating that she did not care if the world burned, as long as her friends were safe.
And yes, she did not give Crocodile the weapon. She was, however, perfectly content to let him murder people and cause civil war, as long as it meant she could read a stone.
Honestly.
Whole world has hunted you down/ betrayed you/ wished you dead/ never been born/ ignored your existence; should you then run around uselessly trying to save them all?
Why?
Specifically just to say you are moral?…
Who does that?You keep saying you're just considering Robin's behavior; yet you're doing this ....
...By completely ignoring, what often times, directly led to that behavior?
Yes that seems like a really balanced way to do it? ( appropriate sarcastic face here)
You mention trials and the personal people in real life if such crimes were committed; and while the people might not forgive, they might at least understand more of the why, and as for courts, (depending on where you are you can bet if they're doing their jobs right), then yeah if their past had something to do with their crime then that gets thrown into consideration as well.Ignoring would be a viable option if he was the one shooting. But he had to command others who will shoot the ship.
As long as the soldiers have doubt in their mind, ignoring will lead to more people questioning his orders rather than following them.You can probably say that he chose a pretty extreme measure but drastic measures are required in drastic circumstances. He could have warned him but he chose to set an example instead. An amoral but more efficient thing to do in the middle of a battle.
That 1st part is debatable, as there are equally many scenarios in which he could have been the only one to question, or killing him wouldn't set the intended example, curtailing all questioning no matter what.
Drastic measures are an option in drastic circumstances, and could certainly be necessary, but that doesn't make them required.
An example of: "If you're fast enough to dodge the 1st kill attempt after questioning orders, than talk all the crap you want, because we don't have the time for a second kill attempt…":ninja: :ninja:
Luffy and Lucci were fighting each other evenly and causing disastrous collateral damage. That was no slaughter.
There was a small time span where the two devil fruit users were on a ship in the sea. It was a small chance to sink the ship to defeat the DF users.
A little delay and a golden chance would have slipped leading to way more casualties than what shooting the ship would do.
Granted, Luffy escaped because of his abilities, but there is no way the Onigumo could have known that in advance.The Buster call was for EL, and the higher officers knew who Rob Lucci was. As you said 2 DF- users were fighting and damaging the ship, which meant they most likely would just destroy it unintentionally, and would then be stuck with no place to fight, they would either fall in the seawater neutralizing themselves, or they would find another ship and continue fighting there( highly unlikely though), or the most likely, doing what they did, and returning to somewhere rendered perfectly fine because people had stopped shooting even near it.
Waiting to then, bomb the crap out of where they landed, would have cost them nothing, but failure.
And in no way do I see that plan realistically costing them more lives than the "bomb the ship" plan.Remember we are talking about the Buster Call, in regards to slaughter; while Luffy and Lucci were fighting each other they were pretty defenseless, or at the very least preoccupied, from breaking off to engage the BC's forces. So yes, technically completely unopposed, so I would still call it a slaughter.
If it can possibly lead to hundreds of people dying? Sure.
Why would it matter? We are talking about Sakazuki's justification here. And how he isn't exactly wrong.
Robin has an excuse. Great. What would amoral bastard bend of world order care?
Hell, would you care? If a thug murdered your family, would you let him go because he had difficult childhood and his father beat him up?
Would I, who knows, but the courts might, to an extent depending on the correlation between the person's past and why, or how they committed such "murder".
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I never understand why people call the two most sensible powers as bullshit.
Law has an operation fruit. Being able to slice organs makes way more sense than teleporting.
Similarly, If someone says to me to me that he has a string fruit, the first thing I would think is stitching. Ok maybe second after trapping. But still, being able to hold organs together is one of the most reasonable powers of Doflamingo.You sure do have Crazy in your name for a reason!
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I never understand why people call the two most sensible powers as bullshit.
Law has an operation fruit. Being able to slice organs makes way more sense than teleporting.It is bullshit, because it does not rely on slicing. It is a radiation weapon.
Which, considering it's user can teleport at will, makes it broken as fuck. Name one reason a full strenght Law would not be able to instantly curbstomp everyone with a ability like that?
And yes, Ope Ope no Mi evidently allows user to use harmless medical techniques as weapons of mass destruction. It is stupid.
Similarly, If someone says to me to me that he has a string fruit, the first thing I would think is stitching. Ok maybe second after trapping. But still, being able to hold organs together is one of the most reasonable powers of Doflamingo.
He is not stitching them, he is holding tissue that has been destroyed by high volume radiation together. Without looking.
It is dead. You can't stitch it. Tissue does not come back to life because you wave some strings into it, you know.
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Would I, who knows, but the courts might, to an extent depending on the correlation between the person's past and why, or how they committed such "murder".
I have never met a case of total exoneration of a murder case suspect based on enviroment alone.
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And you know, that one bullshit attack that completly destroys your every internal organ.
Doffy was fighting Luffy and Law switched in to hit him with the gamma knife thing.
I'm talking about when they genuinely clashed one on one.
That was only countered by strings being able to hold every destroyed organ together. Because, again, bullshit.
Meh, I've finally come to terms with the string clone, so tying some organs together doesn't really faze me.
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No, I'm pointing out that the original intentions can be changed with time to create something negative.
But that doesn't justify not researching in the first place. The good results are worth risking misuse of the knowledge. As is evident from the research on relativity and Nuclear Energy.
He didn't? Perhaps I remembering it wrong. He got some conclusions, he was just shot before he could reveal them.
He was brainstorming. Basically making conclusions based on what they had learned so far.
His dialogue made it pretty clear that he is fitting the pieces together on his own without actually knowing all the details.
iirc, he was about to mention the name of the kingdom when he was shot. I just thought of it as Oda's way of teasing us. Because he was alive for a good deal after that and didn't try to mention the name again.And the idea that just because something happened 800 years ago, every incarnation of the goverment afterwards is evil seems… silly.
I don't think that the knowledge goverment wants burried is something as simple as "We did something bad!".
Did I miss something. Aren't the gorosei supposed to be immortal or something?
Which is why his conversation makes even less sense if he actually knew the history. The government's action is not as simple as "We did something bad", just like you mentioned.
But he is clearly sugesting that World Government is hiding the inconvenient past, which basically suggests either he is too naive or doesn't know all the details.
Considering how he is called a genius historian, I incline towards the second possibility.