@Rogues':
So it's the dreams of all young boys to ogle a woman's breasts? :getlost:
Gotcha.
It's kinda true though.
@Rogues':
So it's the dreams of all young boys to ogle a woman's breasts? :getlost:
Gotcha.
It's kinda true though.
@Rogues':
So it's the dreams of all young boys to ogle a woman's breasts? :getlost:
Gotcha.
Well… yeah. If we're being honest, it totally is.
Especially at age 10 or so its fine to find game or comic characters hot, or to pause a screen to catch a panty shot. Though in the internet age it seems exceptionally silly since really, uncensored porn is abundant... no one needs to watch a static ridden pay-per-view adult channel to hear sounds and maybe catch a half second glimpse of a breast at this point.
By the time you're 14 or 15 though, you really should have moved onto seeing women as people... and by 20 you really should have at least tried moving onto the real thing.
Sexy stuff and porn has its place, no problem... but reeeally its not needed everywhere.
Well… yeah. If we're being honest, it totally is.
Especially at age 10 or so its fine to find game or comic characters hot, or to pause a screen to catch a panty shot.
Well when you put it like that it makes sense.
By the time you're 14 or 15 though, you really should have moved onto seeing women as people… and by 20 you really should have at least tried moving onto the real thing.
Sexy stuff has its porn and its place, no problem... but reeeally its not needed everywhere.
Agreed. I think the problem is that with Oda, every female character is depicted with large breasts, when women should be more diversified.
I still think Nami looked best at the beginning of the series.
Especially at age 10 or so its fine to find game or comic characters hot, or to pause a screen to catch a panty shot.
I might have done that with Chun Li and Street Fighter 2 (first SNES release) when I was 11 or 12. No Internet back then…
Dreams of young boys: check!
Dreams of young girls: no time for that
Also, while normal behavior, I disagree boobs as being the dream of every budding teen. Of the presumed majority? Sure, but not all.
The breast fetish is a learned one, anyways. One that's learned through, say, reading popular manga where it's prevalent in the character design.
A lot of common expectations and standards for females are learned. It takes time and experience for males to see females as people instead of as objects/trophies. 14 is pretty young for that. A relationship at that age is a status symbol and experimental. I would even say 20 is too soon for most guys. Males are constantly being hammered with the opposite message. Females as well which doesn't help males in figuring it out. I don't think most men will have accumulated enough experience to see past what they've been constantly taught until like, 25 and I feel that's being kind.
But I don't have a high opinion of males in general so maybe I'm biased.
I've always seen boys as people but reading stuff like that just depresses me a lot
Well, yeah, boys are people too just as easily susceptible (influenced) by society as girls. There are different influences and truthfully the reality is it's harder and life is made much more difficult for girls just on a 'dealing with bullshit' stance alone, but don't go getting depressed about how stupid we are when we're young.
I even feel "stupid" is too harsh a word but "naive" would be better. But we grow. What's really depressing is the fact that some boys (too many boys) never grow up and learn any better. Oh, and the fact that girls have it much harder in life. That's really saddening.
A lot of common expectations and standards for females are learned. It takes time and experience for males to see females as people instead of as objects/trophies. 14 is pretty young for that. A relationship at that age is a status symbol and experimental. I would even say 20 is too soon for most guys. Males are constantly being hammered with the opposite message. Females as well which doesn't help males in figuring it out. I don't think most men will have accumulated enough experience to see past what they've been constantly taught until like, 25 and I feel that's being kind.
But I don't have a high opinion of males in general so maybe I'm biased.
This sounds like something only true of boys raised without even the slightest real contact with girls lol.
Like your describing people socialized through media alone. Like mega fedora level people.
Which actually probably describes the vast majority of Gamergate soooo maybe there's something to that after all.
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there's a guy in my grad classes right now who is literally walking stereotype numero uno
fedora: check
nintendo t shirts: check
jorts: check
bizarre facial hair: check
90's child haircut: check
into history for ww2 and japan: check
this dude must come from money otherwise i dont even know wtf he is doing in a grad program, and what he intends to use the masters for because this guy ain't gonna teach any classes, he never speaks up in our GRADED FOR SPEAKING UP classes fer crhissakes
i guess my point is that's what it looks like, even at 25, someone raised soley on media
i imagine him the "m'lady" sort
sort of the other direction of the SEX SEX HURRR objectification
the one where girls/women are this strange cherub race of child people to be guarded and cherished
which easily turns into GG too though, through the magic of the virgin/whore complex!
It seems to just be worded very extremely and not accounting for the fact that ALL young children lack that ability to empathize and understand that other humans also think and feel like they do. Which leads to kids treating others in terms of their own needs, such as attachment to parental figures due to their need for sustenance, security, etc., attachment to authority figures due to need for structure, etc. Could you call that objectifying? Perhaps, but I think doing so just glosses over the complexity of childhood cognitive development.
Also, those ages seem super arbitrary.
More in line with the topic, what Wagomu said is pretty much on the nail. It's not that boys are innately going to treat women are pairs of boobs because pairs of boobs are hot. It's that from a young age the media, as well as implicit attitudes seen in surrounding figures such as classmates, teachers and family, the idea is reinforced that girls are supposed to be pretty and admired for that and men are supposed to be strong and admired for that. Ideally over time we do move over to the concept of admiring any children for virtues such as courage and patience and integrity, etc., and it's something that parents should have been doing for decades now given our understanding of what makes wholesome development. But popular media is so entrenched in classic gender attitudes that permeate everything to the degree stupid things still seep in. Like the idea that all boys should see breasts as the best thing ever and we just have to go along with that.
All we have to do is look at other cultures to see that our accute sexulization of breasts is a learned behaivor. In some places breasts just aren't that big of a deal because an over exposure or non-fetisized exposure of breasts in a culture or society can lead to them not being seen as objects of pure sexualization.
Short article on it. http://broadblogs.com/2010/11/04/men-aren’t-hard-wired-to-find-breasts-attractive/
So, yeah, I don't think the fetish is learned by how prevalent it is in a popular media so much as how it's portrayed in its quantity. Like, in a popular manga breasts are portrayed and reinforced as objects of desire that any heterosexual male would be lucky enough to get a glimpse at.
For a lot of boys breasts size is only secondary to how pretty the girl in question is, no use in huge breasts if she isn't pretty. If she is ugly then, there comes the real dehumanization: by making fun of her in every way possible, to completely ignore her existence if it's not worth dehumanizing her even more for something else. The same happens with girls towards boys, if a boy is ugly, they will do the same kind of thing mentioned before: dehumanize him by making fun of how ugly he is and ignore his existence if it's not worth dehumanizing him even more for something else.
It can be kinda ok to joke about it lightly between friends with no ill intent behind it, but if you hurt someone is not ok anymore, and innumerable people suffered this kind of treatment for no fault of theirs.
I don't like arguments questioning "who suffered more", because you can't quantify how much a person has suffered, everyone lives their own pain differently than others. And even if by some absurd way was it possible to actually "quantify" it and say that someone suffered 7.3% more than another person, what would be the meaning of that? Should you get rewarded because you suffered more in the past? Then the other person shouldn't be rewarded as well just because it suffered 4.6% less? How would this work on a global scale with 7 billion people? And what about the future? People will go through hard moments for the whole life, there's no point in being chained by those past events.
In the end everyone will go through pain in their lives, and that's also what makes us grow in the first place, so it's not entirely a bad thing, just as long it doesn't deny your human rights and or leads you to physical or other kinds of serious painful experiences caused by other human beings.
For a lot of boys breasts size is only secondary to how pretty the girl in question is, no use in huge breasts if she isn't pretty. If she is ugly then, there comes the real dehumanization: by making fun of her in every way possible…
Yeah…. yeah.... this is true.... T_T
All we have to do is look at other cultures to see that our accute sexulization of breasts is a learned behaivor. In some places breasts just aren't that big of a deal because an over exposure or non-fetisized exposure of breasts in a culture or society can lead to them not being seen as objects of pure sexualization.
Short article on it. http://broadblogs.com/2010/11/04/men-aren’t-hard-wired-to-find-breasts-attractive/
This is actually really interesting… It's interesting to find out exactly what parts of our makeup and social workings are inherent and which are learned.
Even if quantifying suffering is impossible it's important to take into consideration that one group of people may suffer more than another. This doesn't invalidate the suffering of one group, and context is always important, but if you ignore the possibility that one group can suffer more than another that actually invalidates everything that a certain group has to go through that other groups do not just so that everyone can pretend like things are equal. Which they aren't.
Proportion proportion proportion.
Even if quantifying suffering is impossible it's important to take into consideration that one group of people may suffer more than another. This doesn't invalidate the suffering of one group, and context is always important, but if you ignore the possibility that one group can suffer more than another that actually invalidates everything that a certain group has to go through that other groups do not just so that everyone can pretend like things are equal. Which they aren't.
What he said .
Even if quantifying suffering is impossible it's important to take into consideration that one group of people may suffer more than another. This doesn't invalidate the suffering of one group, and context is always important, but if you ignore the possibility that one group can suffer more than another that actually invalidates everything that a certain group has to go through that other groups do not just so that everyone can pretend like things are equal. Which they aren't.
Yeah, it irritates me when people make mistakes in this area like it's a "Suffering Olympics".
I've seen Anti-LGBT folks try to make the argument that fighting for LGBT Rights can't be called a "Civil Rights Movement" because that's what we called the fight for African America rights in the 60s, and LGBT people haven't suffered as much as those folks historically have.
Like there's a sign at the door where they're handing out basic Civil Rights that basically says "You must be THIS Oppressed to Demand Equality".
Or the people who argue that a Gay or Trans person can't be called a hero for coming out and working in their community because Soldiers who lay their lives down for this country exist. Again, acting like there's a quantifiable line you have to cross to be considered a "Hero"…
I remembered when we used to fight for our rights of freedom and skeletons. When will the Skeleton discrimination ever stop?
I remembered when we used to fight for our rights of freedom and skeletons. When will the Skeleton discrimination ever stop?
Even if people will stop discriminating against skeletons, they will still forever be on guard against dogs. They try to get out of bed realizing the neighbor dog took away one of their femurs, so they can't go into work. Then there's the problem of keeping their bones strong, as they can't drink milk, and their bones are directly hit by the elements.
Alas, the poor skeletons have many hardships that make their existence nothing but suffering.
@The:
Even if people will stop discriminating against skeletons, they will still forever be on guard against dogs. They try to get out of bed realizing the neighbor dog took away one of their femurs, so they can't go into work. Then there's the problem of keeping their bones strong, as they can't drink milk, and their bones are directly hit by the elements.
Alas, the poor skeletons have many hardships that make their existence nothing but suffering.
Skeletons are beautiful people too. Wish we can support them through a fundraiser or something? :(
What does Psy and the DK Rap have to do with Gamergate? Then again Triple Q loves his Psy mash-ups.
What does Psy and the DK Rap have to do with Gamergate? Then again Triple Q loves his Psy mash-ups.
What does the whole video have anything to do with GamerGate? I didn't find one reference to it at all? I thought it was a parody for a second? How come it's a mashup video? XD
it's terrible enough and has just as much to do with game journalism as GG
http://www.themarysue.com/boycott-star-wars-vii-because-why-again/
what in the fuck
http://www.themarysue.com/boycott-star-wars-vii-because-why-again/
what in the fuck
What does that have to do with…Anything this thread is about?
What does that have to do with…Anything this thread is about?
Folks threatening to Boycott something because it has too many minorities in it?
That's like, what GG is all about.
What does that have to do with…Anything this thread is about?
Thread's been semi-officially a general thread for feminism and representation in media for a while now.
Where's that video of the skeletons forming a heptagram to shoot purple lasers at seven-headed mouse abominations? Oh wait, no one has made it yet, have they?
@_Meh_:
Where's that video of the skeletons forming a heptagram to shoot purple lasers at seven-headed mouse abominations? Oh wait, no one has made it yet, have they?
did someone say skeletons and video games
edit: like someone in that article said, the less racists at the movie next to me, the better imo
People should rant about the lack of Wookies instead.
did someone say skeletons and video games
I was waiting for a reason to post this gif I made of art I made :D
Needs more JAM.
that's so awesome CCC!!!! 8U
Folks threatening to Boycott something because it has too many minorities in it?
That's like, what GG is all about.
I wonder what will happen if the female character winds up being the main character of this trilogy.
http://www.themarysue.com/boycott-star-wars-vii-because-why-again/
what in the fuck
They truly wish to embody all the worst aspects of the SJW's they hate so much don't they.
The irony is as always staggering.
Reading one of those twitter comments…
I've never understood why people blame the Jews for everything, as if they're some undercover illuminati organization trying to take over the world. Where did that even come from?
But where are the skeletons.
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I come bearing skeletons and spaghetti!
We cannot forget the true threat that looms - WARM MEATY BODY SACKS THAT CONSUME OUR BODIES.
@Zar:
Reading one of those twitter comments…
I've never understood why people blame the Jews for everything, as if they're some undercover illuminati organization trying to take over the world. Where did that even come from?
Probably from the fact that they're some undercover illuminati organization trying to take over the world.
http://41.media.tumblr.com/237a8939599d18981c58ea113f7b9796/tumblr_nwjrfa368g1szmngno1_1280.png
Gamergate's newest enemy: Canada.
Suddenly, I'm glad we elected Trudeau.
Pissing off GG? What more can we possible ask from him?
snorting laughter
The thing is, they WILL go after him now. He's a goddamn SJW for pete's sake!
Breitbart? Yuck.
It always so funny that the response to someone calling GG a hive of scum and villainy is usually 'it's bad for business' like GG actually has any kind of power
I noticed the article on that website linked to a study which "proves" there was no link between video games and sexism. I noticed that the link doesn't actually go to the study but another article on its own website which draws the opinion that, 'the debate is over and science has proven it'. Of course that really interested me and instead of taking that article as the one all be all decider of cultural debate I took a closer look at the study. Now, the study is legit there is no doubt about that but if the idiots who wrote those articles actually did some research instead of drawing from their own bias to turn a scientific study into "proof" that they were right they would have drawn a different conclusion.
Here's what the 2 lead researchers of the study actually say their study shows and that it shouldn't be oversimplified as people are want to do.
Some people seem to think that this is proof that sexism is not an issue in games and gaming culture, which is something that we neither found, nor say (nor examined, really) in our study.
And yet people will still use those articles and their misinterpretation of that study to show how they were "right" all along.