Also, Viola knows about Vergo. Therefore, her complete distrust of the marines who are, right now, saving the lives of everybody on the island, is highly questionable.
She does? I don't remember.
Also, Viola knows about Vergo. Therefore, her complete distrust of the marines who are, right now, saving the lives of everybody on the island, is highly questionable.
She does? I don't remember.
She does? I don't remember.
I would have to double check, but I'm pretty sure she mentions him as a part of Doflamingo crew at one point or the other.
And besides, if the Tontatas know, why she would not? She was actually a part of the family while they weren't.
I find it funny how Cp0 is supposed to be so secretive but yet they make it obvious who they are with their masks. That's why Robin spotted them.
I think that CP0 looks like perfect match up for Sabo team.
They are strongest CP but it doesnt mean they are so much stronger than likes of Lucci and so on so Koala and Hack most likely can fight lesser of trio.
And Black Gentleman(Sabo) might get to fight White Gentleman(shortie from CP0, that I think is "Lucci of CP0").
I would have to double check, but I'm pretty sure she mentions him as a part of Doflamingo crew at one point or the other.
And besides, if the Tontatas know, why she would not? She was actually a part of the family while they weren't.
Well, Law was in the family for 2 years, but only learned about Vergo through Rocinante. And even then, he only found out about his mission through sheer (bad) luck. Rocinante himself was having trouble finding information about him despite being Doula's brother.
Viola was also not present during the Punk Hazard call. I'll do some rereading later.
@darth your calling the people of Dressrosa stupid but it's never so simple even more so when people are suffering .
A perfect eg of this is don father , he was a Tenryubito he gave it up but people still torture him and i doubt he did anything bad .
The marines are saving lives but so are the pirates so i don't see why you making it out to matter .
hell it's the maries job and right now the pirates doing more for them since they are the ones fighting .
Edit you have this idea that the people of Dressrosa should not be angry because it's there fault since when did that matter to people .
May i remind you that the marines were not there to save them in the first place.
Only when the truth came out they had to do something otherwise they would have just left after they try to capture some pirates .
I look at it this way. Oda really wanted to introduce Burgess in a big way. And then he has a bunch of characters that he needs to introduce, and it so happens that it is much easier to introduce them in the other three matches. A lot easier than having some people show up, introduce themselves as the losers of Block A and start tacking part in the uprising. As has been said, an announcer comment could have said a lot too, but it is what it is. The announcers are idiots who foam at everything anyway.
I am not saying there's was a Cavendish or Barto in the match; I'm saying there could've been some Sai's or Bellamy's in there. And I'm certainly not saying it was staged - except by Oda for plot reasons.
I'm just saying, that's the impression you get. From my personal perspective, it would have been better if block A had some named dudes with some significance too. And they wouldn't even have to be shown in the ring, but after it was all done. They would be losers, yes, but so are all the other side characters who participated in taking down Dofla pirates.
I'm just saying, that's the impression you get. From my personal perspective, it would have been better if block A had some named dudes with some significance too. They would be losers, yes, but so are all the other side characters who participated in taking down Dofla pirates.
I don't even think that would have matter because back then so many people were calling them fodder.
It's only a year plus after that we are seeing what they can do.
So it would taken a while for it to have that impact on the reader .
Do you think luffy will need help to defeat DD or does he have enough power by himself? will sabo or law get involved?
I'm just saying, that's the impression you get. From my personal perspective, it would have been better if block A had some named dudes with some significance too. And they wouldn't even have to be shown in the ring, but after it was all done. They would be losers, yes, but so are all the other side characters who participated in taking down Dofla pirates.
And if they would be beaten so badly that they could not even try and fight family it would add to Burgess hype I guess.
Do you think luffy will need help to defeat DD or does he have enough power by himself? will sabo or law get involved?
It feels like Zoro set a new standard, so, in my opinion, he should be able to beat him alone. It also depends on, what Trebol is doing.
And you have to remember, Law is "dead" ;)
@Mex:
About the shut up it was not for you but for all in general. XD
About Doffy switch, it could happen. I hope Oda will surprise us both, in a good way.
Ah.. Okay
Though it seems that where I stopped others continue.
As for Oda delivering- after such long build up its set to be very satisyfing. Ussop with his few chapters getting amazing moment is sort of a promis that Luffy will get far better fight than any other since timeskip.
It feels like Zoro set a new standard, so, in my opinion, he should be able to beat him alone. It also depends on, what Trebol is doing.
And you have to remember, Law is "dead" ;)
Yeah but lets be fair here Doffy on a completely different level than Pica. Luffy will have hell of a harder time fighting Doffy, than Zoro ever did with Pica.
Yeah but lets be fair here Doffy on a completely different level than Pica. Luffy will have hell of a harder time fighting Doffy, than Zoro ever did with Pica.
yep the gap between Don and his crew is huge , yes it normally that way but this time it feels even bigger .
Guess it because we saw him beat smoker then Sanji and then law twice rather easy .
I'm just saying, that's the impression you get. From my personal perspective, it would have been better if block A had some named dudes with some significance too. And they wouldn't even have to be shown in the ring, but after it was all done. They would be losers, yes, but so are all the other side characters who participated in taking down Dofla pirates.
Why did Burgess need to "hyped up" more in the tournament? So that when Sabo won the fruit without actually beating anyone in a fight, it would seem even more anticlimactic? I think the issue here is Oda had written such a focus on the tournament with Luffy fighting, with numerous pages on B and C block, that you could assume that the final fight, where Sabo and Burgess face off, was going to be more than a skirmish, when in reality the tournament winded up not even taking half of this arc up.
Now that we know the tournament was made up more so to introduce all the new gladiators and their powers this arc, and have them be allies of Luffy, having Burgess need to be hyped up even more is unnecessary. There's absolutely no way Sabo is going to lose to Burgess; there's not going to be a repeat of the Ace situation where Luffy gets a brother captured and defeated by Blackbeard and crew and has to go save him.
Several people have talked about Sabo and Burgess' clash in the Colosseum, where Burgess' armor broke, and suggested this shows Sabo is stronger than Burgess. I cannot agree with this conclusion; in fact, I would suggest it doesn't actually make sense in context. First, Burgess was launching one of his Wave Motion Elbows, a ranged attack, while Sabo intercepted it before he actually got the attack off. That gives Sabo a noticeable advantage in countering the attack. Second, it seems apparent to me that Sabo's techniques are especially useful at destroying objects: notice how he destroyed Burgess' armor, destroyed the ring, and broke Bastille's sword (and face), all barehanded using his 'dragon' techniques. Destroying the armor didn't have any effect on Burgess, it was little more than a visual flourish.
And every sword of great quality just got fucked. Haki is as of now a superior to craftsmanship, gentleman. Might explain why every high level swordsman in the world seems to be using completly ordinary blades that work as good as the supposedly mastercrafted and unique ones. A small detail, but annoying in how it belittles the swords in favor of CoA.
First, nothing we've seen indicates that haki makes a sword sharper, so a better quality blade might hold a better edge in the first place.
Second, haki doesn't make a sword better balanced, or improve the shape of the grip, or affect other small factors which contribute to the quality of a sword.
Third, haki might be able to make a sword more durable, on par with a meito… but then, you could also apply haki to a sword of quality.
For example: "You don't understand how this manga works" is not a proper counter-argument from logical stand point, since it is ad hominem and in the case of trying to dispute a work of art, it is a logical fallacy.
I thought you said you studied logic, so why don't you seem to know how to use the term "ad hominem" appropriately? An ad hominem requires one to reject an argument based on an irrelevant personal quality of the person making the argument: telling someone they don't understand a topic isn't a logical fallacy, because it's not an attempt at a logical argument in itself: it's simply invective. A personal attack doesn't necessarily make something a logical fallacy.
No one (that I recall seeing, at least; I'm certainly willing to acknowledge that my recollection may not be perfect) is saying "you're wrong because you don't understand this manga", they're saying "your argument demonstrates that you don't understand this manga". Come to think of it, the former still likely wouldn't be an ad hominem, depending on phrasing, because applying logic to the story does, to some degree, depend on understanding the story; these discussions aren't about pure logic operating in a vacuum.
Well I disagree in that. The fact that all the other blocks except A had characters that had importance in the arc later on or will have importance in the future plot gives an impression that there was nobody important in block A, save for Burgess.
I mean, we saw the aftermath, and there were gruesomely injured people all over the place being carried on stretchers, and screaming about how Burgess was going to kill them. It's not really much of a stretch to conclude that maybe block A was all just too injured to participate in the rest of the plot for this arc. And even if they're up and about, we also haven't seen Damask, Jean Ango, Mummy, Meadows, Rolling Logan, the fighting lion, Acilia, Spartan, Hera, or Gambia since the competition ended, either.
I would love to see Luffy defeat Doffy by himself and Law getting Senzu bean'd offscreen approaches Luffy and Doffy's KO'd body and tells Luffy to move aside that Law has to kill Doffy and Luffy has a huge problem with it and begins telling Law he can't and Law explains why he has to and that Luffy will have to be eilling to kill to become the Pirate King then (a KO'd)Jesus burgess gets tossed in between the approaching Law and it's Dragon with Sabo thrown over his shoulder (not KO'd just pretty fugged up) and they say there is no need to kill Doffy that they will be taking Doffy and Jesus captive as prisoners of war.
This would kinda hype Sabo and the blackbeard crew and hype Dragon because within seconds of the birdcage falling he was on the scene to swoop in and put in work b4 the Marines even know he's there. Dumb marines! (Kidding Darth poo)
Yeah but lets be fair here Doffy on a completely different level than Pica. Luffy will have hell of a harder time fighting Doffy, than Zoro ever did with Pica.
Indeed, but you have to wonder what it would look like if it was Zoro vs Doflamingo. If there ever has been a difference between Zoro's and Luffy's power levels, it sure seems to diminish each arc.
@Aokiji'sMissingLeg:
Why did Burgess need to "hyped up" more in the tournament? So that when Sabo won the fruit without actually beating anyone in a fight, it would seem even more anticlimactic? I think the issue here is Oda had written such a focus on the tournament with Luffy fighting, with numerous pages on B and C block, that you could assume that the final fight, where Sabo and Burgess face off, was going to be more than a skirmish, when in reality the tournament winded up not even taking half of this arc up.
But if him and Sabo get to fight now, which seems likely, assumning it is Burgess Koala was talking about, then it would've been nice to have him hyped a bit. And if not to show his power, why is he even in the arc to begin with? It would be nice to see a bit of the power from Blackbeard's crew, since we haven't seen too much, and it seemed like a good place to show it.
can't wait for the final fight, if Law is dead he sure is gonna get revived somehow, what I wonder about is how
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Law isn't dead he has to carry out his destiny of killing Doffy to get revenge for Rosinante.
But isn't this what essentially happened - just with the other blocks instead?
No, what happened to the other blocks is that we got introduced to these people - and I don't mean just Oda showing us their name tags - through their actions in the arena. Some more than others. So when they showed up later, we knew who they were. And we knew the character of a few. We wouldn't have it the same if a few never before seen gladiators from Block A showed up.
But if Oda wanted to he could've made that work as well. Thinking of "ifs" is hopeless, though.
But if him and Sabo get to fight now, which seems likely, assumning it is Burgess Koala was talking about, then it would've been nice to have him hyped a bit. And if not to show his power, why is he even in the arc to begin with? It would be nice to see a bit of the power from Blackbeard's crew, since we haven't seen too much, and it seemed like a good place to show it.
The topic was originally about Burgess being hyped up in the Colosseum, which became unneeded when Sabo won the tournament. Burgess was inserted into the arc before we even knew about Sabo so that the readers would be kept guessing as to who would win the fruit when Luffy had Doflamingo to deal with. And since Sabo has already fought toe-to-toe with Fujitora, we know how strong Sabo is. Is Burgess going to be stronger than an Admiral? Obviously not. If Sabo is going to fight Burgess, all Oda needs to do to hype Burgess up is to have Burgess actually gets some good hits in on Sabo to show his strength.
But Burgess is not going to win in the end anyway, because having another of Luffy's brothers get beaten up by a Blackbeard crew member is just going to be a retread. If anything, Sabo will beat Burgess in the end as a warning to Blackbeard to not touch Luffy and as revenge for Ace since Blackbeard instigated the whole Marineford saga in the first place.
@Aokiji'sMissingLeg:
The topic was originally about Burgess being hyped up in the Colosseum, which became unneeded when Sabo won the tournament. Burgess was inserted into the arc before we even knew about Sabo so that the readers would be kept guessing as to who would win the fruit when Luffy had Doflamingo to deal with. And since Sabo has already fought toe-to-toe with Fujitora, we know how strong Sabo is. Is Burgess going to be stronger than an Admiral? Obviously not. If Sabo is going to fight Burgess, all Oda needs to do to hype Burgess up is to have Burgess actually gets some good hits in on Sabo to show his strength.
But Burgess is not going to win in the end anyway, because having another of Luffy's brothers get beaten up by a Blackbeard crew member is just going to be a retread. If anything, Sabo will beat Burgess in the end as a warning to Blackbeard to not touch Luffy and as revenge for Ace since Blackbeard instigated the whole Marineford saga in the first place.
Ah okay then, it's hard to keep track on so many comments ;)
I agree that he won't win, as we have already seen how strong Sabo is. But IMO Burgess could've been replaced by a lot of other characters - not neccesarily known ones - and it would've made no difference to the plot. I'm just failing to see right now, why it had to be Burgess, if not to hype the crew up. But let's see what happens, when, and if, they actually fight.
Ah okay then, it's hard to keep track on so many comments ;)
I agree that he won't win, as we have already seen how strong Sabo is. But IMO Burgess could've been replaced by a lot of other characters - not neccesarily known ones - and it would've made no difference to the plot. I'm just failing to see right now, why it had to be Burgess, if not to hype the crew up. But let's see what happens, when, and if, they actually fight.
I do think it didn't necessarily have to be Burgess for the story to work, but there was a scene where Burgess talks to Blackbeard about Kuzan, so there was that piece of foreshadowing that only a Blackbeard crew member could have done.
@Aokiji'sMissingLeg:
I do think it didn't necessarily have to be Burgess for the story to work, but there was a scene where Burgess talks to Blackbeard about Kuzan, so there was that piece of foreshadowing that only a Blackbeard crew member could have done.
That is true, had forgotten about it. But there is still a little way to go in the arc it seems, so he may play a bigger role.
My Pikachu is a rock type, your argument is invalid.
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Wow Awesome dude
Wish this was one of Pikachus cosplay costumes in Omega Ruby and Alpha Saphire.
@Cyan:
You studied logic? Good for your Darth! Could always use more respect for humanities in the world.
You're still completely fucking wrong though.
Totally skimming through this thread.
Is logic honestly considered part of the humanities? I've always thought of it as basically another sort of math, myself.
@Panda:
Totally skimming through this thread.
Is logic honestly considered part of the humanities? I've always thought of it as basically another sort of math, myself.
I've only ever seen it classed as part of philosophy, so it's a humanity by most definitions.
Well, I've studied mathematics and wheras there never was some course explicitely called logic, of course we did do a lot about logic. So I guess I studied logic, too.
I'd say a lot of the older forum members who did study could say they studied logic in a broader sense.
@Cyan:
I've only ever seen it classed as part of philosophy, so it's a humanity by most definitions.
Logic is the basis of programming, electronics, and a lot of hard sciences. It's like calling math a social science because statistics is vital for them.
Logic is the basis of programming, electronics, and a lot of hard sciences. It's like calling math a social science because statistics is vital for them.
I've actually seen statistics courses offered in various departments and not just as a mathematics course. Business and political science teach the skills within their own department and tailor the course for their purposes.
Logic courses in particular though are usually studied in Humanities/Philosophy as part of their intro core courses. I've personally never taken a logics course, in either humanities/math/sciences, but I'm pretty certain the focus later on in a Humanities logic course is how to use logic for reasoning skills for political/philosophical argumentation.
Those are more argumentation courses, aplied logic, than actual logic of true and false is false, true or false is true, !true == false, !false == true, !p or q == p=>q, p=>q and q =>r => p=> r.
Both philosophy and mathematics and computer science include subjects dedicated to study of logic. It is both a science and an art. One way or another, advanced education includes the basics of logic either way.
I'm don't mean to is undermine the use of logic in the sciences, but argumentation courses are usually labeled as Logic Courses that the Humaniies study, evaluating statements and creating proofs through propositional logic, or inductive/detuctive reasoning and the like.
And that's more likely the focus of Darth's degree than how logic is used in the Sciences.
Guys….what if Doflamingo takes over Mariejois afterwards?:ninja:
Sorry to enter in the middle of the conversation.
About Logic. Is the other way around! Philosophy, humanities and Math uses logic. Logic is not a "science" nor an "art". Logic is the base for those things: The use and study of valid reasoning.
The courses of argumentation is called Logic, because that is mainly what they use(and linguistics I suppose). Science courses use Logic and lot more of other things. One can say that Logic course only study that, while science courses only use logic as a small tool(because in the end of the day, for something to be right, first has to be valid).
Why are you discussing such a thing? Isn't this the One Piece discussion?
Yeah but lets be fair here Doffy on a completely different level than Pica. Luffy will have hell of a harder time fighting Doffy, than Zoro ever did with Pica.
Pica is also entrusted with protecting DD's life. Zoro defeated Pica without ending up crippled and bloodied and Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Give Luffy some credit. He can handle DD on his own.
Edit: The difference between Kaku and Lucci was clear, but Luffy didn't need help to win that fight.
Pica is also entrusted with protecting DD's life. Zoro defeated Pica without ending up crippled and bloodied and Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Give Luffy some credit. He can handle DD on his own.
Edit: The difference between Kaku and Lucci was clear, but Luffy didn't need help to win that fight.
Lucci would have killed Luffy and won if Usopp did not interfere. Get your facts straight. :ninja:
Pica is also entrusted with protecting DD's life. Zoro defeated Pica without ending up crippled and bloodied and Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Give Luffy some credit. He can handle DD on his own.
Edit: The difference between Kaku and Lucci was clear, but Luffy didn't need help to win that fight.
Yeah but I take that as more his power to manipulate and change the foundation to prevent anyone from getting close to Doflamingo, as well as fight if he has to.
That is true, had forgotten about it. But there is still a little way to go in the arc it seems, so he may play a bigger role.
There is also the point that the prescence of Burgess makes a neat callback to his appearance in Jaya when Bellamy was first introduced.
Whatever scheme Burgess has going on the side was probably planned as part of the plot way back then.
Oh that Oda!
But so did everybody else. Including Dressrosa population.
Not only is it not their job but they didn't do background check as far as we know and add no reason to do so. Why would they try to investigate the base that failed them?
And I don't see how that change marines failing at the background check or to rat out Vergo. When someone else fail that means you both failed. Excuses can be made but at the end of the day, you did fail.
So she is being stupid. There should be a limit to that. Especially since her stance is portrayed as valid, while we are on what Oda was trying to convey…
People tends to be stupid when it's related to their tragic events of their past. She does have a valid to not trust namely not knowing the level of influence Doflamingo has over the marines. Doesn't help that the admiral isn't part of the wanted list and isn't really going after Dofla.
She doesn't have a valid reason to stop them and she isn't doing that. We didn't see her jump in front of a marine about to help a citizen or something. She isn't stopping them from doing their job. She simply don't expect much from them.
By valid I suppose you mean us reader are suppose to consider she made the right choice. I think Oda is more going with "She was hurt so it's understandable she doesn't want their help". Understandable rather than right.
So he would rather rely on pirates? Why?
The pirates hold a grudge with Doflamingo and are actively fighting them. So he hopes they win.
He isn't hoping the marines don't do anything. He simply doesn't expect much from them and so think it's a bad idea to rely on them(they could end up disappointed). It's not like he refused to do something he had to do. 10 years ago, the marines were contact and again today the marines are there.
Pretty sure if he wanted to get approval of the people back, he would try to fix the whole mess.
I was more into "My organization hurt you so bad in the past that I shouldn't meddle in your life anymore(expect if you ask for it of course)". Pretty stupid but people think like that sometimes.
Meh. Oda better have an excellent explanation for what he has done to Fujitora this arc. Or the forums will burn.
I doubt he can fix it but some consider Oda to be a genius, so who knows?
True. Which is why the entire argument from Fujitora about them not wanting their help is stupid.
Indeed it is.
I don't know. It feels as if it is written as a stance that we shouldn't just understand, we should approve of it. Nevertheless, I will just shrug it, and add it to the Dressrosa population having some kind of stupidity that runs in their blood.
Who knows? Most of the time I don't care about what the author want me to feel. Either the story manage to do it or it doesn't. In this case, I blame Fuji for comforting the Rikus in their mistrust about marines. They shouldn't need the populace to beg for help to do their job. It's not a goddamn volunteer work.
Maybe it's the food. Would explain why Doflamingo got more stupid after sitting there.
Or maybe it's what the dwarves use to grow their plants and flowers . Would expain why they the worst of the bunch.
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I find it funny how Cp0 is supposed to be so secretive but yet they make it obvious who they are with their masks. That's why Robin spotted them.
The whole country know who they are. They aren't in disguise or a secret. At best their formal identities are.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer.
I always thought there was always something cheesy about Schopenhauer. Now I like him even less. WTF is a self-evident truth if not a syllogism, a fallacy reasoning that depends on some pre-stablished "truths" that have no guarantee of being so? Read House's quote right afterwards his, and you may realize that even statements about truth can be (are often) wrong (which House's one implies, even when refering to itself), specially those that are expressed in absolutes.
I don't know if it is tedious or hilarious, but here we are, a bunch of internet people trying to make you understand that you are not working your "logic" as well as you think you are - against all odds, if I may add. I think you only focus on the logically-perfect construction of your arguments, without taking onto account that its foundations, your "a priori"s, are, just like everyone's, based on subjectivity (IIRC, you yourself said that "even" art was subjective… well, I didn't like that "even", which implied doubt, as if trying to say that there is/could be some reliable and objective order in art... just like you like it in your "truth" founded in logic), and thus, they are just arbitrary.
! So, my prescription, and, sincerely, I am trying my best (and failing) to not sounding like a condescending ass, a bit of good 'ol Wittgenstein writings, as its the best remedy to give one insight to the boundaries set by our "a priori"s, found mainly in our languages.
But hey, what good would it make to tell you all this if I don't prove how wrong your arguments can be? Well, I simply don't want to enter in your little 'logic' game, but this one should be easy. You want Doflamingo to be a real psycopath in order to make him a good villain? Well, I've seen him laughing like a maniac, he has world-domination/destruction plans, he is constantly enjoying chaos surrounding him (not only when he is the one creating it, but when in a freaking war), being absolutely unable to emphasize with people outside his ultra-limited caring circle (which can still be reduced to 0, depending to his reaction to the top executive's failures), which also happens to allow him to be a dickm being a pupeteer of peoples' emotions.
If that is still not enough Joker for you, you can add to the list the fact that he murdered his freaking father and brother, he brainwashed children to become child soldiers ready to die for him, he sent who-knows-how-many children to a certain death known as Caesar, he has perpetrated mass-murderer attacks at least three times on-screen and has sustained for years a huge black market of not only weaponry but also slaves. Now, I know, this may still not be enough… right? That is why you want him to peel someone else's skin... in a manga where even freaking heroic deaths are avoided!!!! But, because Oda loves you, he even went the extra mile and found a way to give Doflamingo a background to explain his dehumanitzation (tell me you didn't enjoy watching him emptying that bottle of red wine, I double dare you) to avoid a new blank monster like Hody, WHILE conceding even more irrational violence in his character... like... you know... enjoying cuting off limbs? Repeatedly?
You are not annoyed because he is a badly narrated villain who fails at defending his empire (in my standards, Sugar haxness + Manshelly haxness + kairouseki building + CP0 + colosseum distraction + Mera Mera magnet to Luffy = much more trumpcards than Crocodile ever had, even when counting Plan B(omb)). Which, to be honest, is plain and simply obvious from day one: from the chliché of the heavy calculating pupeteer that misscalculates the protagonist's unpredictable behaviour (explicited by Robin, as Luffy = best trumpcard), to the fact that this is a shonen with a repetitive structure ending with victories. But, for easying Doflamingo's blame further, some really unpredictable behaviours have been added to the arc, like f*cking powerhouses suchs as your friend the admiral, Sabo, Burgess, Hakuba...
You are annoyed because this character is being defeated by "pacifists" like Riku, by Usopp's share of luck and by plain Tontatta and the citizens' stupidity/naivity, which are arbitrary reasons and, at the same time, not only happen to be some of the most recurring themes of this manga (peace, luck&fate, innocence), but also happen to generate dislike to the marines (you know, that organitzation that fights alongside Shichibukais for the sake of a "superior order", which, for some strange coincidence, also happens to include the oppression and murders in Dressrosa, and has been for years presented as the house of evil genocides?). And this annoyance makes you critize almost everything you can relate to it, despite not always having 'facts' or 'evidence' in your side, and all while claiming to be presenting objective logic. I call bullshit. And I call hipocresy, which, oddly enough, I also happen to heavily hate.
What a bunch of unless posts about logic and stuff tbh
So is Law dead or what….. hahaha
dont know if someone mentioned it already:
that bash effect on top of the castle when we see robin and co standing on the flower fields.
i wonder what this was. it looks like doffys move to cut off laws arm, but it doesnt really fit chronologically
and i somehow doubt that law could stand up after losing his arm, so yeah…
Yeah but I take that as more his power to manipulate and change the foundation to prevent anyone from getting close to Doflamingo, as well as fight if he has to.
Regardless, was the job entrusted to Buffalo or to Pica? The more capable crewmate was delegated with that power and Zoro tore through said power. Now Doflamingo lost his #1 defense and just has Trebol on his side.
dont know if someone mentioned it already:
that bash effect on top of the castle when we see robin and co standing on the flower fields.
i wonder what this was. it looks like doffys move to cut off laws arm, but it doesnt really fit chronologically
and i somehow doubt that law could stand up after losing his arm, so yeah…
IIRC Ussop was wandering happily about after 'breaking every bone in his body' and Sanji mountaineering with a broken spine.
So in OP terms losing an arm is 'just a flesh wound'. He's got another.
Regardless, was the job entrusted to Buffalo or to Pica? The more capable crewmate was delegated with that power and Zoro tore through said power. Now Doflamingo lost his #1 defense and just has Trebol on his side.
Well we all knew Zoro was going to cut down Pica, but the question was when considering it looks like to took Zoro a while to figure out how to isolate him and take him down.
Well we all knew Zoro was going to cut down Pica, but the question was when considering it looks like to took Zoro a while to figure out how to isolate him and take him down.
It's not like Luffy will be able to beat someone of Doflamingo's caliber with just fists alone.
so someone who studies logic can never be wrong in a logical debate…...... so people who study logic never argue right?
I doubt he can fix it but some consider Oda to be a genius, so who knows?
Just want to focus on this one point but i don't think it needs fixing .
As you said you self you can understand his reasoning , it might be stupid , you might not agree with etc ect but you can understand it .
We live in a world where stuff like this happen more than once don't see a problem with it happening in fiction .
I would also like to add we know nothing about Fujitora past and he has only been a marines for 2 years .
What happen in his past can change\influence a person perspective , wants , needs and actions .