Oh look, a character who just appeared has an overemphasized personality quirk.
That never happened with characters in One Piece, men and women alike.
Oh look, a character who just appeared has an overemphasized personality quirk.
That never happened with characters in One Piece, men and women alike.
You are right guys. I shouldn't be like this again. I'm sorry to everybody. It's really a strange ocurrence when i wrote in angry caps. I'll just look at porn while i wait.
You are right guys. I shouldn't be like this again. I'm sorry to everybody. It's really a strange ocurrence when i wrote in angry caps. I'll just look at porn while i wait.
why are you still alive
are you a liar or what
Btw, I haven't managed to read much of chapter discussion and this thread, but was her weapon of choice complained about?
You know, the vacuum cleaner? :ninja:
@Strеlok.:
Sorry, I don't want to fight with John Cena.
then stop bullying
Oh man, i clicked in a video that looked so good "Big-butted brazilians takes continous hits in the front from a bunch of germans" And it's just fuckin footage of a brazilian player called Hulk in the World Cup Semifinals. I feel so cheated :(
why are you still alive
are you a liar or what
Don't go there man, bad things have already happened with people taunting someone who says he'll commit suicide. Even if it seems like a joke, you can never tell from behind your screen.
I'll just look at porn while i wait.
Hey! You selfish man! I guess sharing only concerns deadly poison then.
Oh man, i clicked in a video that looked so good "Big-butted brazilians takes continous hits in the front from a bunch of germans" And it's just fuckin footage of a brazilian player called Hulk in the World Cup Semifinals. I feel so cheated :(
It truly is a cruel, cruel world.
Well, i studied literature and i'm friend with a lot of artists and self-called artists so these kind of discussions are common ocurrence in my facebook and each and every one of them are FUCKING STUPID AND UNINFORMED BY BOTH SIDES LIKE THIS ONE. So yeah, it really gets me angry cause i just imagine that this must be the level of discussion almost everywhere and i get really sad cause it means the world is fucked not by evil but by stupidity.
Also, i need to go to a meeting and i can't wait anymore for Buggy's match in the tourney.
well i think the common person doesn't really give much thought to these sort of topics, so one ought to expect the level of discourse to be pretty mediocre
not to mention, if you're expecting to log onto Facebook of all places to engage in serious consideration of gender with your dumbass friends, I imagine your sight's pretty far off to begin with. for what it's worth, I go to a really prestigious university where this sort of discussion is rampant. I personally don't care a whole lot for it (which is not to say I'm adverse to it, but that I feel detached, neutral), but for every numbskull purporting his shallow opinions about transexuality there's an army of people chasing after him to beat his or her head in with Foucault and Judith Butler anthologies. the point being that the sort of informed, motivated discussion of these topics that you desire really only occurs in certain rather isolated sites. outside of that you'd be lucky to get some grump say he supports gay rights or believes discrimination against woman is still present in the work force. I enjoy One Piece because it's, well, silly. I don't come here to talk about anything very serious (which is not to say that it can't warrant such discussion, but that the expectation of it is ill-grounded). if you're really interested in these topics, and I suppose it's good that you are, go to a forum that specializes on the matter. gender theory has only recently begun to permeate the vernacular; while promoting this process is surely of worth, as I said above, this is above all a forum for goofy rubber man vs. evil flamingo man.
well i think the common person doesn't really give much thought to these sort of topics, so one ought to expect the level of discourse to be pretty mediocre
not to mention, if you're expecting to log onto Facebook of all places to engage in serious consideration of gender with your dumbass friends, I imagine you have your sight pretty far off to begin with. for what it's worth, I go to a really prestigious university where this sort of discussion is rampant. I personally don't care a whole lot for it (which is not to say I'm adverse to it, but that I feel detached, neutral), but for every numbskull purporting his shallow opinions about transexuality there's an army of people chasing after him to beat his or her head in with Foucault and Judith Butler anthologies. I enjoy One Piece because it's, well, silly. I don't come here to talk about anything very serious (which is not to say that it can't warrant such discussion, but that the expectation of it is ill-grounded). if you're really interested in these topics, and I suppose it's good that you are, go to a forum that specializes on the matter. gender theory has only recently begun to permeate the vernacular; while promoting this process is surely of worth, as I said above, this is above all a forum for goofy rubber man vs. evil flamingo man.
i know but some of them are…oh well, let's just say i expect better from people and i'm always dissapointed. Also, i can't share porn. I would get banned. Maybe if mods give me permission i can share some literary eroticism. If you are kindred to literature it will get you like a rampaging bull in no time, lol b:
well i think the common person doesn't really give much thought to these sort of topics, so one ought to expect the level of discourse to be pretty mediocre
not to mention, if you're expecting to log onto Facebook of all places to engage in serious consideration of gender with your dumbass friends, I imagine your sight's pretty far off to begin with. for what it's worth, I go to a really prestigious university where this sort of discussion is rampant. I personally don't care a whole lot for it (which is not to say I'm adverse to it, but that I feel detached, neutral), but for every numbskull purporting his shallow opinions about transexuality there's an army of people chasing after him to beat his or her head in with Foucault and Judith Butler anthologies. the point being that the sort of informed, motivated discussion of these topics that you desire really only occurs in certain rather isolated sites. outside of that you'd be lucky to get some grump say he supports gay rights or believes discrimination against woman is still present in the work force. I enjoy One Piece because it's, well, silly. I don't come here to talk about anything very serious (which is not to say that it can't warrant such discussion, but that the expectation of it is ill-grounded). if you're really interested in these topics, and I suppose it's good that you are, go to a forum that specializes on the matter. gender theory has only recently begun to permeate the vernacular; while promoting this process is surely of worth, as I said above, this is above all a forum for goofy rubber man vs. evil flamingo man.
Well said! Ill-grounded would indeed be the right word for this.
Now, Manshelly IS an issue. That's the kind of portrayal that's totally getting old in One Piece and that seems to be nearly exclusive to cute/pretty little girls.
I feel like we need to see more with her before we can come to any sort of conclusion about her character as a whole. It does seem odd for her to just be a passive crybaby after how Leo described her before. I'd like to think there’s more to her than what there initially appears to be, but unfortunately I may be proven wrong… But with only a couple panels shown of her so far I am willing to withhold judgment for now...
Oda was mocking both genders in this chapter, but because of double standards, it seems people only focused on the female mockery.
Seriously, overly macho middle-aged baby man fights overly macho cyborg on his 30s, and bunch of groupies fawning for them, with one of them being a 20-year old morbidly obese woman.
right? Because its not like men believe women should stay out of the affairs of men every day in real life
and men are insulted by this chapter because… He made fun of over the top machismo that only Pro wrestlers have and kind of get made fun of on occasion
Hey, can i post Le violon d'ingres? It's pretty awesome in art and also so erotic ( <3 kiki).
Uh, well. You can google it, i guess. It's by Man Ray. Musical instruments have never been like this :3
It's an interesting debate indeed, but it's apparently a very sensitive subject. Some are going racist, four-stars(what are those anyway? mods?) are pointing out people opinions are shitty for not having the same opinion as them etc. It seems too sensitive a subject to discuss rationally. The thing about that scene is that it's apparently not even ok if it's a gag, similar to a joke about racism not being ok. I don't agree it's being that sexist, but if we even got four-starts flaming it doesn't seem to be a good thing to continue the debate.
I assume they've already seen similar threads too often, and it gets on their nerves.
Apparently taboo is well aware of his vulgarity. As for Monkey King, I would say it's a form of brutal love…or not!
Anyway don't forget that it's probably the most serious thread in the manga section. Go back to the funnier threads if you can't stand it.
It's just going to be another circlejerk with 90% of people not really knowing what they are talking about.
There's issues - not really - but there really is! - No there isn't!
I just dislike how every single thing that any female character does in this series at this point is somehow twisted to be sexist.
That's what they do.
They're awful. They're flipping out over a gag scene that's not even offensive at all.
I suppose Berserk is such an awful series because the women aren't big, buff, and manly.
They're accusing Oda of human rights abuse and they're seriously having a heart to heart serious conversation about it lawl.
Racism and a stereotype based on gender aren't even close to being the same. Don't even consider comparing the two.
This one isn't porn but makes my heart race ://3
I assume they've already seen similar threads too often, and it gets on their nerves.
Apparently taboo is well aware of his vulgarity. As for Monkey King, I would say it's a form of brutal love…or not!
Anyway don't forget that it's probably the most serious thread in the manga section. Go back to the funnier threads if you can't stand it.
Oh true that, I personally don't mind. It's more that they seem to be popping some veins in this discussion. Maybe the people up in arms should just boycott One Piece or something to show their dislike
I suppose Berserk is such an awful series because the women aren't big, buff, and manly.
Berserk? The series where the manly hero ignores his back in a fight out of full confidence with the female lead taking care of things?
@Monkey:
Berserk? The series where the manly hero ignores his back in a fight out of full confidence with the female lead taking care of things?
Casca was saved several times when she was in the band of the hawks. She was treated as a sexual object too.
Did you forget what happened to her afterwards? She became mentally ill and became a permanent damsel.
All women in Berserk need saving and it happens all the time. They also fill the stereotypical woman role and are only used as objects of sex. It even has a prostitute arc where dozens of prostitutes need to be rescued.
We aren't calling Berserk the worst fiction of all time are we? Disney movies are so awful, right? Adventure time should be banned from children while we're at it.
<:3 The kiss
<:3 The kiss
aw that is sweet.
I LIKE YOUR PIC. SO CUTE.
GO MEWTWO.
Casca was saved several times when she was in the band of the hawks. She was treated as a sexual object too.
Did you forget what happened to her afterwards? She became mentally ill and became a permanent damsel.
Replaced with Farnese and especially Schierke.
Not to mention mentally damaged Casca is constantly referred to as "not really Casca" but a tragic reminder of the real thing.
All women in Berserk need saving and it happens all the time.
Schierke the 12 year old girl?
They also fill the stereotypical woman and are only used as objects of sex.
This objectively wrong lol.
It even has a prostitute arc where dozens of prostitutes need to be rescued
What the fuck are you talking about lol.
There was an arc that took place in a massive refugee camp at a fucked up monastary, some of the characters in the camp were prostitues who I think were rescued once…not directly. With Luca doing rescuing of her own such as almost dying to save the puffy haired girl. With the other bunch not really doing anything at all. Mostly it was Luca (the proactive one) and the puffy haired girl (a far stranger and more complex character than a damsel lol).
Calling the arc the "prostitute arc" shows you don't remember jack shit about Berserk and are woefully under-qualified to make this false equivalency argument.
It's like calling Thriller Barque the "Rolling Pirates arc" or some shit lol.
not b4 you dig the sand out of your tiny dick hole
Wow, so I get infracted because I have a different outspoken opinion about this subject than a mod ?
My post didn't break any rules, and even the reason was: for being a douchebag
That is some hardcore North-Korean modding and power abuse.
I guess only white knights are allowed in this thread.
If women want to fight for emancipation, than be prepared to take it like a man as well. Opening threads like this is only putting emphasis on the gap instead of closing it. I never saw a male sexism thread on this site, yet it happens numeral times. And it's funny that most people who are shouting the loudest here are guys.
Wow, so I get infracted because I have a different outspoken opinion about this subject than a mod ?
My post didn't break any rules, and even the reason was: for being a douchebag
That is some hardcore North-Korean modding and power abuse.
I guess only white knights are allowed in this thread.
If women want to fight for emancipation, than be prepared to take it like a man as well. Opening threads like this is only putting emphasis on the gap instead of closing it. I never saw a male sexism thread on this site, yet it happens numeral times. And it's funny that most people who are shouting the loudest here are guys.
Your post was sexist, diminishing and hurtfully mocking. It was douche-like.
Also guys, google "La leyenda de los volcanes Saturnino Hernán" If i put it here they will ban me hyuck hyuck ://3
@Monkey:
Replaced with Farnese and especially Schierke.
Farnese is awful. Even she got saved dozens of times before. Listing 3 female characters out of the entire series who actually do something but all end up being damsels isn't helping anything at all.
The objectification of women is Berserk's specialty.
Lets call Kentaro Miura a raging sexist and an awful writer.
@Monkey:
-snip-
Lol I'm done with you.
I can't believe you're seriously defending Berserk's objectification of women and acting as if it's non-existant.
I don't remember anything about Berserk? I just finished reading the "prostitute arc" just the other day.
I usually have no problems with OP but yeah this chapter was seriously hard to like.
Okay well, while Berserk is many things, it is not sexist. Does it portray gritty imagery, needless violence and rape against women at almost every turn? Well yeah, and while I did find something unbelievable tasteless about all the situations Casca have her tits pop out of her blouse and almost get raped by monstrosities, you can't say that the series is sexist. Kentaro clearly do not want to degrade women. There are even female characters without any fighting ability whatsoever who display amazing character traits ( Sonia is my all time favorite female character ).
With that being said, some of the scenes in the series downright pisses me off and it looks like the creator is looking for excuses to portray graphic art. The rape scenes and murder of children being in particular bad taste.
Farnese is awful.
She's really hard to like yeah. But that makes her a really interesting character, she goes through a fuck ton of character development and is still ongoing.
It's kind of interesting of Miura to have such a spoiled sheltered brat of a character be developed at all really.
Her character arc is basically making herself evolve to the point of being an independent person, both combat wise and otherwise. Not because WOMAN but because CRAZY DAUGHTER OF MEDIEVAL BILL GATES.
Her tutor to being useful is a literal 12 year old girl.
And entirely unlike One Piece where the macho characters keep emphasizing the women should stay out of things, Gutt's respect levels for her are directly connected to how useless or not she is in the other direction.
Listing 3 female characters out of the entire series who actually do something
That's because I'm listing members of the main cast.
The other members of the main cast hero wise is just two other males (one a 12 year old boy) aside from Gutts, and two androgynous fairies.
Like most people who make this knee jerk critique and don't actually care about it you have ignored how important and NOT damsel distressy Schierke is. She's easily the second in command and sometimes even first in command of the group. She's about as far from useless as gets.
The objectification of women is Berserk's specialty.
Lets call Kentaro Miura a raging sexist and an awful writer.
I'm sorry but as someone who clearly doesn't clearly remember anything about the series this is a huge joke coming from you lol.
Tell us more about storylines you only remember for the extremely secondary plot line where there were some prostitutes existing, for someone who suddenly "cares" about objectification you sure have rather sexually selective memory lol.
Revival of Griffith?
Guts coming to terms with his real purpose?
Terrifying torture chambers?
Seething masses of refugees?
Creepy ass inquisition?
Mozgus?
Apocalyptic mirror Eclipse ceremony?
Fucked up apostle shaped like egg?
Pagan cults?
Introduction of Isidro?
Indeed all that you can remember about that complex many faceted storyline is "prostitutes".
Your post was sexist, diminishing and hurtfully mocking. It was douche-like.
Also guys, google "La leyenda de los volcanes Saturnino Hernán" If i put it here they will ban me hyuck hyuck ://3
Nah my post was sarcastic and satire, even so I should be able to say that.
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Wow, so I get infracted because I have a different outspoken opinion about this subject than a mod ?
My post didn't break any rules, and even the reason was: for being a douchebag
That is some hardcore North-Korean modding and power abuse.
I guess only white knights are allowed in this thread.
If women want to fight for emancipation, than be prepared to take it like a man as well. Opening threads like this is only putting emphasis on the gap instead of closing it. I never saw a male sexism thread on this site, yet it happens numeral times. And it's funny that most people who are shouting the loudest here are guys.
i didn't give you the infraction but please feel free to leave forever
What destiny awaits this thread..?
Since this is a "This chapter" thread will it be gone next week?
After reaching hundred pages of course.
I don't even care anymore.
HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH FIGHT IN ONE PLACE.
SOTP FIGHTING AND RISE AGAINST THE HATE.
you all used to be SUCH GOOD FREINDS.
WHY DO FIGHT.
I'm actually glad that to see a thoughtful discussion about Berserk has appeared in the One Piece forums.
Cause honestly, Miura has created some of the strongest female characters in an manga series that is dominated by males.
And on the sexism in this chapter. Yes it was blatant chauvinism and yes, totally sexist. But that's part of the joke with the Señor Pink character, he's making light of chauvinist thinking and machismo. It's silly, he's silly, and seriously don't take it that seriously. And Franky is simply trying to out "Hard-Boil" the most hard-boiled man in the series to date. In short, don't try this at home kiddies. The Ladies will NOT love you for it.
Wow, so I get infracted because I have a different outspoken opinion about this subject than a mod ?
My post didn't break any rules, and even the reason was: for being a douchebag
That is some hardcore North-Korean modding and power abuse.
I guess only white knights are allowed in this thread.
If women want to fight for emancipation, than be prepared to take it like a man as well. Opening threads like this is only putting emphasis on the gap instead of closing it. I never saw a male sexism thread on this site, yet it happens numeral times. And it's funny that most people who are shouting the loudest here are guys.
Shut the fuck up.
All the mods agree you're a douchebag, actually.
guys, I think everyone acknowledges that Oda has a problem in the way he chooses to depicts women…but these threads won't change a think (I think) on his way of doing manga (unfortunately). So...I don't really see the point of going on with discussions like these. I mean, there's a topic for this, right? Oda's sexism? Why make a new one?
"Should I really open this thread?"
Something OP doesn't seem to have considered.
This is a good topic of discussion.
The problem is that the majority of the manga section are fucking morons.
I nominate page 10 for best page of best thread.
At least so far.
…Don't screw it up.
@Cyan:
This is a good topic of discussion.
The problem is that the majority of the manga section are fucking morons.
Do you mind if i use that quote as a signature ?
It's beautiful :D Truly a masterpiece.
The best part of this is that most people here are guys
Oh look how mature, bullies on the schoolyard have found someone that doesn't want to play with the cool kids.
I just have a different opinion, it's fine if you don't like it.
Hey, don't get sand in your vagina.
I'm just saying you're a douchebag. Nothing personal.
HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH FIGHT IN ONE PLACE.
SOTP FIGHTING AND RISE AGAINST THE HATE.
you all used to be SUCH GOOD FREINDS.
WHY DO FIGHT.
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Oh look how mature, bullies on the schoolyard have found someone that doesn't want to play with the cool kids.
I just have a different opinion, it's fine if you don't like it.
maybe thou shalt dig the sand out thine own vagina and take my sandy posts like a man
To think a single thread would bring so many morons out of woodwork to lose a great deal of respect for.
Oh look how mature, bullies on the schoolyard have found someone that doesn't want to play with the cool kids.
I just have a different opinion, it's fine if you don't like it.
That's what you get for going against this forums World Government. There's no such thing as a Pirate King with ultimate freedom that can go against them, you read too much One Piece
That's what you get for going against this forums World Government. There's no such thing as a Pirate King with ultimate freedom that can go against them, you read too much One Piece
No it's worse, apparently if you punch a royal here, they will buster call you with infractions.
First I have a different opinion, they piss on you, if you ask why, they shit on you.
maybe thou shalt dig the sand out thine own vagina and take my sandy posts like a man
I would gladly take it, but maybe that goes for others too. Start by not random infracting for having a different opinion.
Having a fairy tail avatar is an IP-bannable offense.