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Atuin

I've seen a few comments here and there since the time skip about how Usopp is still a coward yet to me I have noticed a definite shift. Pre TS Usopp had a more childish fear. He was skittish about most dangers whether genuine or perceived and his expansive imagination didn't help either. He also lacked confidence in himself and was really quite weak anyway.

Since the TS his fears are more grounded in reality. He has grown but so have the dangers and before when it was more of a jaunt now it's very real and very life threatening. So for me Usopp is not afraid for the sake of being afraid but because he knows he should be. Of course you can't change your personality or a lifetime of reacting a certain way so I don't blame him for having his fear overwhelm him but it's much more understandable now and he's not so flighty in his reaction.

Erm I'm not sure how better to describe it other then Usopp has gone from imagined childish fear to recognising genuine threat and fearing that instead.
err like as a child you feared the bogeyman but as an adult you feared the burglar

RomanceDawn

Some people had an absolutely absurd expectation that Usopp would no longer be a coward. He's better than he once was but at only the half way point in the story did folks expect him to be a true brave warrior of the sea? They all still need time to grow and if Usopp was even 90% brave warrior and 10% coward he wouldn't be Usopp any more.

Atuin

That's what I thought. A super brave Usopp isn't Usopp anymore. You can evolve and grow but don't have to change who you are completely to do so.

In terms of evolution in the SH I think Nami is the one who if anything has gone backwards. She has become less money obsessed but she's also lost some of her spunk and strength of character. Usopp is still Usopp but Nami has become less Nami and more boob.

sanji''s_dad

@Atuin:

That's what I thought. A super brave Usopp isn't Usopp anymore. You can evolve and grow but don't have to change who you are completely to do so.

In terms of evolution in the SH I think Nami is the one who if anything has gone backwards. She has become less money obsessed but she's also lost some of her spunk and strength of character. Usopp is still Usopp but Nami has become less Nami and more boob.

she is naboobmi lol also it was funny when nami and usopp met in sa after the time skip and she put usopp's nose in between her breasts since his nose can be mistaken for something else lol

Maju

@RomanceDawn:

Some people had an absolutely absurd expectation that Usopp would no longer be a coward. He's better than he once was but at only the half way point in the story did folks expect him to be a true brave warrior of the sea? They all still need time to grow and if Usopp was even 90% brave warrior and 10% coward he wouldn't be Usopp any more.

there's something between being a brave warrior of the sea and not being the guy who runs away leaving your subordinates to die

actually,running away from responsabilities that the life he choose bring is something he swore to never do again in the ARLONG PARK ARC

during the dressrosa arc usopp's character did several sumersaults backwards,and i'ts a shame because there was a way to make the whole thing work

RomanceDawn

@Maju:

there's something between being a brave warrior of the sea and not being the guy who runs away leaving your subordinates to die

actually,running away from responsabilities that the life he choose bring is something he swore to never do again in the ARLONG PARK ARC

during the dressrosa arc usopp's character did several sumersaults backwards,and i'ts a shame because there was a way to make the whole thing work

He still came back. He didn't leave them to die. He saw how strong the little people were and assumed they could handle it. He had an easier time running away because he didn't even realize he left Robin behind. As far as he knew she didn't exist. He wrestled with emotions and came back and saved the day, twice.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like that Usopp was planning to run from the beginning, that was just low. Still in the end, he came back and did what he said he would do.

We are half way through the story, there is clear growth in his personality and spirit, but he's still got a long way to go.

sanji''s_dad

@RomanceDawn:

He still came back. He didn't leave them to die. He saw how strong the little people were and assumed they could handle it. He had an easier time running away because he didn't even realize he left Robin behind. As far as he knew she didn't exist. He wrestled with emotions and came back and saved the day, twice.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like that Usopp was planning to run from the beginning, that was just low. Still in the end, he came back and did what he said he would do.

We are half way through the story, there is clear growth in his personality and spirit, but he's still got a long way to go.

you sugar coated usopp lol.

RamistaR

Just realized we might see Mihawk, Perona and Ivankov in the future cover stories.

Katzztar

@RamistaR:

Just realized we might see Mihawk, Perona and Ivankov in the future cover stories.

Yeah now that the close friends have been covered it seems its cover the people that the SHs stayed with during the timeskip.
If that's true we should also be seeing Boa, Heracles and that old man on Weatheria also

I first thought that the first half seemed that the locations shown in the mini-sereis were same in order of the locations first encountered. And so that now we see the people/locaitions the SHs were during the timeskip, then maybe its in the order they were first seen.

But looking back at the list of the SHs separation I see its not true, at least not for the mini-arc's as Sanji was shown first before Robin (Dragon, Koala, Sabo) or Franky (the old man Kitton and the cyborg animals).
Maybe its from when they were first shown in the actual story line? Wasn't Robin shown first then Franky?

ag.. don't think so. I think Nami was shown first before Robin. Maybe his time there is no pattern?

maxterdexter

Robin, Franky out, Brook's managers hate him so either the cultists or no one, Chopper didn't meet anyone with a name or an unique design, so there is the small posibility of his bein skipped. Luffy has both Raileigh and Hancock, and after all of them Shirahoshi.

EvoWarrior5

I really like how the recent revelation of the 4 Road Poneglyph has added more depth to the whole concept of the Yonkou. We never knew why there were specifically four, or why they controlled territories. It was just the way it was, and we could only guess that they had taken territories because they wanted power over the New World and perhaps an advantage over other pirates.

Now that we know of the Road Poneglyphs, we can imagine a picture of how it went. We are not sure how many people now know or have known over the past 800 years how to get to Raftel. We know there are people who are aware of the existence of the Road Poneglyphs, as Inuarashi told us that people have taken copies of them in the past. If a powerful pirate found a Road Poneglyph and learned of the reason for its existence, it is logical that they would take control of it. And then they would try to find more, so they would take other territories in case there are Road Poneglyphs there; or also just to increase their influence and create a broader network in their search. However, at the same time other pirates also learned of the existence of these Road Poneglyphs, and started taking territories to find them.

Now, one is on Zou and nothing has implied that Zou was once under control of one of the Yonkou (or even a first "version" of the Yonkou when there weren't yet 4), but the idea is that we can imagine how the specific system of 4 powerful pirates who control the New world came to exist. Though Oda has not said these things explicitly, I feel like this is the implication. This is how the Yonkou came to exist; because of these Road Poneglyphs.

RomanceDawn

I just noticed that what we consider Grays(big headed black eyed aliens) probably exist in the One Piece universe.
The Space Pirates very well may have some relation to the Minks. But they seem to have bird people, reptiles and what looks to be a giant salamander man or something.
They are in pressurized space suits but they seem to wear no helmet. Unless they have animal helmets. But then there is an older guy writing up plans who looks like any regular human.
The folks of Wano and the Minks have some relation to the moon so maybe there are off world origins between the 2?
On the excavation machine there is strange writing. One character resembles the common circle with a dot in the middle found on every Ponaglyph and the other characters wouldn't look out of place on one either. Though the glyphs seem to have characters or a character bunched into "doubles" unlike whats on the excavation machine.

I think we are going to end up with many alien cultures: 3 types of angels, a half breed type(like Luffy maybe?), classic grays depicted in media, more animal people(distant relatives to the minks), more human types like the old man in the space pirate group or maybe Vinsmokes.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

While re-watching the Luffy vs Doffy fight, i noticed that the King Kong Gun was a combination of Gear4 and Gear3, while also being the upgrade Luffy talked about with Rayleigh.
One of the few times the anime made me better understand what was in the manga^^

EvoWarrior5

@Don:

While re-watching the Luffy vs Doffy fight, i noticed that the King Kong Gun was a combination of Gear4 and Gear3, while also being the upgrade Luffy talked about with Rayleigh.
One of the few times the anime made me better understand what was in the manga^^

I used to think it was a combo between G4 and G3, but upon watching it in the anime and then re-reading the scene, we don't see him bite his thumb, he only bites in his arm. Unless he could somehow reach bone through that thicker layer of muscle, I'm pretty sure it was just a much larger G4.

Speaking of the anime enabling one to better understand the manga, though, I always wondered how Luffy got into G4 when Dofla had him strung. Apparently he was simply strong enough to raise up his arm despite the thread and bite it. Then upon re-reading the scene Dofla says "this again?" right before Luffy goes G4, so Dofla saw what he was doing but didn't think he could break the string. This caused his surprise.

firelord111

@EvoWarrior5:

I used to think it was a combo between G4 and G3, but upon watching it in the anime and then re-reading the scene, we don't see him bite his thumb, he only bites in his arm. Unless he could somehow reach bone through that thicker layer of muscle, I'm pretty sure it was just a much larger G4.

Speaking of the anime enabling one to better understand the manga, though, I always wondered how Luffy got into G4 when Dofla had him strung. Apparently he was simply strong enough to raise up his arm despite the thread and bite it. Then upon re-reading the scene Dofla says "this again?" right before Luffy goes G4, so Dofla saw what he was doing but didn't think he could break the string. This caused his surprise.

that just was them trying to spend lesser and in manga luffy didnt break(cut} strings

EvoWarrior5

@firelord111:

that just was them trying to spend lesser and in manga luffy didnt break(cut} strings

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v79/c790/14.html

You clearly see the threads snap, on the next page Dofla even comments on this.

And later on, he just bites on the outer end of his arm. He doesn't bite his thumb like he does in G3. The anime didn't do anything differently from the manga here.

enkidude

ace is luffy's (adopted) uncle.

i mean because of garp adopting ace. ace being dragon's adopted brother. not as in a nutball x character is actually x silly post.

yes i just realized this.

The True Saviour

Oda used a lot of subtle imagery when he first introduced Kaido. Before i get to that i want to explain how i thought of this idea. Kaido means some sort of road in Japanese, or that's what i am led to believe. But that is irrelevant. Kaido also means "fallen" or "someone who has fallen" in Spanish. It is spelled as caido. The first time we see Kaido he is in a Sky Island with "angels" in Urouge, heaven if you will, and jumps off:

After jumping off "heaven" and earning the name of the Fallen, he crashes deep in the earth into hell:

Now the Fallen one is deep in hell, but he does not want to stay there:

He rises from hell underneath, grotesque in his form, with only one purpose: the complete destruction of the world.

Monkey King

@The:

Oda used a lot of subtle imagery when he first introduced Kaido. Before i get to that i want to explain how i thought of this idea. Kaido means some sort of road in Japanese, or that's what i am led to believe. But that is irrelevant. Kaido also means "fallen" or "someone who has fallen" in Spanish. It is spelled as caido. The first time we see Kaido he is in a Sky Island with "angels" in Urouge, heaven if you will, and jumps off:

https://12dimension.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/one_piece_ch795_p013.png

After jumping off "heaven" and earning the name of the Fallen, he crashes deep in the earth into hell:

http://pm1.narvii.com/5809/8a88482b5672e2efef897f629b7e42ffed10b32a_hq.jpg

Now the Fallen one is deep in hell, but he does not want to stay there:

http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2882/16-17.png

He rises from hell underneath, grotesque in his form, with only one purpose: the complete destruction of the world.

You say all this like this scene was some pivotal moment that transformed Kaido.
It's a scene presented like business as usual, like he does stuff like this all the time. In fact that's exactly what the narration says more or less.

Or are you saying it's a metaphor for his …backstory on some level? Like he used to be a nicer figure and became nasty?

The True Saviour

@Monkey:

You say all this like this scene was some pivotal moment that transformed Kaido.
It's a scene presented like business as usual, like he does stuff like this all the time. In fact that's exactly what the narration says more or less.

Or are you saying it's a metaphor for his …backstory on some level? Like he used to be a nicer figure and became nasty?

While it may be hinting at his backstory, i was just saying that i think Kaido is based on the devil(and or a demon) and his crew is supposed to be his demon army. It's more of theory to be honest. And i am NOT saying he has any powers of a demon, or a demon zoan, but he and his crew are demon themed and he himself is supposed to be either satan or any demon in that style.

Reasons why i think he's based on a demon/maybe satan:

-army of horned "demons"/monstrocities
-what i wrote above, which may be just subtle hints at that
-has three disasters which may be referencing the four horsemen
-the horns
-the title king of the beasts is a clever way referencing the bible without getting religion involved, as he's the great red beast

And i'll clarify again, i do not think he has demon powers in the story or is an actual demon. He is just inspired by them. And to be honest i actually think he is a dragon zoan because of the Great Red Dragon by William Blake. But not only is Kaido being inspired by that but has eastern qualities to him, like he may be an eastern dragon as those tend to be benevolent and Kaido, again true to his name of the "fallen", is a malevolent eastern dragon.

Monkey King

@The:

-has three disasters which may be referencing the four horsemen

For starters the four horsemen aren't associated with any hell/devil/satan stuff.
For seconders….three is not in reference to four. That's the very definition of trying to fit a square peg in a circle shaped hole.

-the title king of the beasts is a clever way referencing the bible without getting religion involved, as he's the great red beast

Do you really think a Japanese man is interested in all that weird shit in the Book of Revelations that isn't even exactly widely referenced in the West? Four horsemen are one thing, but that other shit…we're talking...like the serial killer book Red Dragon and....? This isn't some easy obvious metaphor like the horsemen, it's some passages referencing a bunch of random beasts with wierd bodies popping up and doing stuff. It's like psuedo-Greek myth levels of bizarre.

A Japanese guy is going to reference bibical stuff in so much as it's stuff that's become widespread as literary shorthand thanks to the spread of western culture. Instantly recognizable stuff like the horsemen, the antichrist, and yeah even the fallen angel thing.
Maybe if they're a super wierdo like the Evangelion guy you'll get references to strange obscure stuff. But yeah that's not Oda. This is a bizarre pained stretch on your part.

Also why the hell would the satan figure be Kaidou. Someone who probably isn't even third in line for the last series of major antagonists?

And i'll clarify again, i do not think he has demon powers in the story or is an actual demon. He is just inspired by them. And to be honest i actually think he is a dragon zoan because of the Great Red Dragon by William Blake.

If Oda uses a Dragon devil fruit, it'll be an actual like fantasy Europe looking dragon (Momo already has the East Asian dragon design after all). Not a strange painting based on strange parts of the New Testament.

hosemisnuba

It just occured to me that the Strawhat versus Blackbeard battles could last nearly 50 chapters. I'm not sure whether I should be excited or scared based on what happened in Enies Lobby…..

EDIT: By scared, I mean worried about quality.

Bongking

@RomanceDawn:

I just noticed that what we consider Grays(big headed black eyed aliens) probably exist in the One Piece universe.

The Space Pirates very well may have some relation to the Minks. But they seem to have bird people, reptiles and what looks to be a giant salamander man or something.

They are in pressurized space suits but they seem to wear no helmet. Unless they have animal helmets. But then there is an older guy writing up plans who looks like any regular human.

The folks of Wano and the Minks have some relation to the moon so maybe there are off world origins between the 2?

On the excavation machine there is strange writing. One character resembles the common circle with a dot in the middle found on every Ponaglyph and the other characters wouldn't look out of place on one either. Though the glyphs seem to have characters or a character bunched into "doubles" unlike whats on the excavation machine.

I think we are going to end up with many alien cultures: 3 types of angels, a half breed type(like Luffy maybe?), classic grays depicted in media, more animal people(distant relatives to the minks), more human types like the old man in the space pirate group or maybe Vinsmokes.

This has me wondering why I haven't seen a thread about actually deciphering the poneglyphs. Seems like the whole real world is waiting for Nico Robin to decipher them in-universe. Is it possible Oda has put clues in the writing of the art? If so we should compare the information of the ones we have partial information about already. There may be a way to cross check the art against the words of characters and reveal info hidden in the art, but left out of the explanation by Robin or other characters.

sanji''s_dad

@RomanceDawn:

I just noticed that what we consider Grays(big headed black eyed aliens) probably exist in the One Piece universe.

The Space Pirates very well may have some relation to the Minks. But they seem to have bird people, reptiles and what looks to be a giant salamander man or something.

They are in pressurized space suits but they seem to wear no helmet. Unless they have animal helmets. But then there is an older guy writing up plans who looks like any regular human.

The folks of Wano and the Minks have some relation to the moon so maybe there are off world origins between the 2?

On the excavation machine there is strange writing. One character resembles the common circle with a dot in the middle found on every Ponaglyph and the other characters wouldn't look out of place on one either. Though the glyphs seem to have characters or a character bunched into "doubles" unlike whats on the excavation machine.

I think we are going to end up with many alien cultures: 3 types of angels, a half breed type(like Luffy maybe?), classic grays depicted in media, more animal people(distant relatives to the minks), more human types like the old man in the space pirate group or maybe Vinsmokes.

The people from the moon went to skypiea you have a few different sky people races down there that is why Enel knew about the moon they even had a name for it also Uranus the ancient weapon is most likely the name of the ship they used to get down there and they most likely allied with the ancient kingdom or they also had people start the ancient kingdom and had their space ship uranus stolen by the assholes in the holy land it being their national treasure due to it being the spoils of war.

They left the moon because they ran out of resources however the one piece world has other moons as well and one of them is most likely the one capone went to when he entered the new world it even sucked his ship up to it.

mbaruh

@sanji''s_dad:

They left the moon because they ran out of resources however the one piece world has other moons as well and one of them is most likely the one capone went to when he entered the new world it even sucked his ship up to it.

Any proof for the multiple moons thing? I recall seeing only one moon at a time.

Katzztar

@mbaruh:

Any proof for the multiple moons thing? I recall seeing only one moon at a time.

It was in Robin's flashback with the historians of Ohara. They had a planetary model that showed several moons circling the world.
Sorry can't remember the chapter.

Though you're right, dispite that model all we see in the main storyline is a single moon in the sky.

mbaruh

@Katzztar:

It was in Robin's flashback with the historians of Ohara. They had a planetary model that showed several moons circling the world.
Sorry can't remember the chapter.

Though you're right, dispite that model all we see in the main storyline is a single moon in the sky.

It's okay I remember it.
Hmm.. that's interesting. It could mean that the full moon and the battle in Wano with the minks doesn't have to be in a month.

RomanceDawn

@sanji''s_dad:

The people from the moon went to skypiea you have a few different sky people races down there that is why Enel knew about the moon they even had a name for it also Uranus the ancient weapon is most likely the name of the ship they used to get down there and they most likely allied with the ancient kingdom or they also had people start the ancient kingdom and had their space ship uranus stolen by the assholes in the holy land it being their national treasure due to it being the spoils of war.

They left the moon because they ran out of resources however the one piece world has other moons as well and one of them is most likely the one capone went to when he entered the new world it even sucked his ship up to it.

I'm not sure what exactly you were commenting on in regards to my post.

The moon people used balloons to reach the blue planet just as the little robot spacy descendants used balloons to get up there.

Everyone please, unless otherwise noted there is only one moon surrounding the world of One Piece. Please look up geocentric model of the solar system. That is effectively what the historians had on display. Our geocentric model has earth at the center of orbit instead of the sun. People used to think everything revolved around the earth. That's basically what the folks of Ohara thought. Today we know that's not how it works but long ago that is exactly how people thought our solar system worked, that is how it is in Robin's flash back. Maybe scholars in One Piece like Monet know better since then.

We have only ever seen one moon at a time, so until Oda elaborates on it by letting us know the other 6 got destroyed in the past, it's just the one piece version of our real world geocentric model of the solar system. That loud tub on YouTube was the first to stick that in people's heads years and years ago and I curse him every day for it.

I bring this up every few months but has anyone looked it up? It is the most logical explanation for what the historians had. This coming from the guy that has a strong belief that Black Beard has multiple spirits/ghosts within his body and that Sanji is an honest to goodness alien. But the multiple moon theory? That's way too farfetched.

Katzztar

@mbaruh:

It's okay I remember it.
Hmm.. that's interesting. It could mean that the full moon and the battle in Wano with the minks doesn't have to be in a month.

Don't hold out on the idea yet, RomanceDawn makes a very good point, It really makes sense that what was shown in Ohara is a geocentric model of the sun and planets circling the world instead of many moons.

@RomanceDawn:

I'm not sure what exactly you were commenting on in regards to my post.

The moon people used balloons to reach the blue planet just as the little robot spacy descendants used balloons to get up there.

Everyone please, unless otherwise noted there is only one moon surrounding the world of One Piece. Please look up geocentric model of the solar system. That is effectively what the historians had on display. Our geocentric model has earth at the center of orbit instead of the sun. People used to think everything revolved around the earth. That's basically what the folks of Ohara thought. Today we know that's not how it works but long ago that is exactly how people thought our solar system worked, that is how it is in Robin's flash back. Maybe scholars in One Piece like Monet know better since then.

We have only ever seen one moon at a time, so until Oda elaborates on it by letting us know the other 6 got destroyed in the past, it's just the one piece version of our real world geocentric model of the solar system. That loud tub on YouTube was the first to stick that in people's heads years and years ago and I curse him every day for it.

I bring this up every few months but has anyone looked it up? It is the most logical explanation for what the historians had. This coming from the guy that has a strong belief that Black Beard has multiple spirits/ghosts within his body and that Sanji is an honest to goodness alien. But the multiple moon theory? That's way too farfetched.

I went looking for images of geocentric models and this=

Didn't the model in the flashback look a lot like this? (just with them positioned differently and different angles of orbit? ;)

Md-Martin

@RomanceDawn:

That loud tub on YouTube was the first to stick that in people's heads years and years ago and I curse him every day for it.

Are you talking about that ForeverWorld guy? Only youtuber that pops in my head when you say "loud tub" haha!

RomanceDawn

@Katzztar:

Don't hold out on the idea yet, RomanceDawn makes a very good point, It really makes sense that what was shown in Ohara is a geocentric model of the sun and planets circling the world instead of many moons.

I went looking for images of geocentric models and this=
http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-134059276344646/ptolemaic-system-model-07749-science-and-laboratory-astronomy-models-and-planetariums-69.gif
Didn't the model in the flashback look a lot like this? (just with them positioned differently and different angles of orbit? ;)

That is definitely what I'm referring to though Oda seemed to use an Armillary Sphere as his inspiration. Take a look at the pictures below. Only one of the better ones I could find had the sun as its center, in the old days however the thought was the earth was the center of the universe.

!

So come on folks, just one moon for now right?

maxterdexter

You are placing too much weight on "common sense" over what could be true in the manga.

There are two things that might get explained with another satelite, Capone's weird moon abduction, and Einess Loby eternal sun.

RomanceDawn

With Oda being extremely careful about the phases of the moon(except for after Dressrosa) I have to wonder why we've only ever seen one in the night sky.

What ever happened with Capone, I am certain what ever sucked him up isn't a moon in and of itself that orbits the One Piece world. I'm certain it's just another strange island of the New World with its own rules and nature.

I don't know what Oda was going for with Enies Lobby, be it something like Norway or maybe a moon so bright it's eternally fixed over Enies Lobby.

I've given a very logical and real world explanation on why we probably have never seen more than one moon at a time and why the idea of more than one moon has never been brought up by characters in the story. I'm open to it more because of the examples you've given, certainly not because of what Ohara had on display.

Bugs

@RomanceDawn:

With Oda being extremely careful about the phases of the moon(except for after Dressrosa) I have to wonder why we've only ever seen one in the night sky.

It's been awhile, what exactly was problematic about the moon's phase in Dressrosa?

RomanceDawn

@Bugs:

It's been awhile, what exactly was problematic about the moon's phase in Dressrosa?

Don't worry it's nothing you forgot. It's just something no one really cared about. On the night that everyone was resting in that little house, there is one shot of the moon. In another panel the phase is different, then another panel its closer to what it was in the first panel. Then on that same night while Jinbe was partying with Wadatsumi and those people, the moon was full. Though with the cover story I don't really hold that against Oda. Just a small over site. Greg brought up the moon seen during Dressrosa in his column but I was surprised he didn't mention the inconsistencies.

I think I have a picture of it somewhere in the Time Line thread.

Edit, here it is.

! http://i.imgur.com/fV8sovF.png

But if those are the other moons, then cool. Betting on a mistake though.

maxterdexter

Oda has been very consistent with the moon, true, but never in the story, until now with the minks and when enel went to it people have aknowlodge it.

The model has like 5-6 celestial bodies. I'm not saying that they can be only moons, but no one has said anything about planets or stars of space stuff.

And then there is the issue of orbits. Our solar system formed only in one plane by a Democratic process of "this is the place where most of the debris is clumping together" and while the early solar systems got tons of things wrong, all planets were always in the same plane.

I can't be certain that these are moons, but I believe less that they are planets.

RomanceDawn

If it later gets explained that there are more moons but they are so far away they just appear as stars or something I'd buy it.

Katzztar

@RomanceDawn:

If it later gets explained that there are more moons but they are so far away they just appear as stars or something I'd buy it.

Well you've convinced me its a geocentric model. I've looked at some images and then again at the image you shown above (and reposted below) .
Note there is one body (has +'s over it) that is different than the others by the fact that it has a small body circling it. It resembles this model where there are two bodies (Mercery & Venus) circling it=

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RomanceDawn

@Katzztar:

Well you've convinced me its a geocentric model.

Yes! Finally someone sees it. Though since no one has ever responded to my geocentric claims until now I'll just assume that all the comments I've never received on subject just means everyone is in silent agreement with me.

I noticed that little + dotted planet with it's own moon before. I was going to bring it up as a possible case for my argument but then I kept reading elsewhere that moons can have moons. At least I think so. Is that what you are referring to?

I never really thought about the markings on the planet until you pointed it out. The oddest ones are +'s, big spots and then the strangest of all looks like a massive grid. Looks artificially made if you ask me. I hope Oda some day goes into detail about what all that is. Even if its just from a story told by the promised alien shop keeper, I'd like to know at least little about it all.

RamistaR

I agree too pal!

maxterdexter

I'm against untill a reason for Eines Loby eternal sun on the equator or close enough is explained.

Katzztar

@maxterdexter:

I'm against untill a reason for Eines Loby eternal sun on the equator or close enough is explained.

To me, an island with eternal sun (and a hole in the ocean) fits in with an island that is covered with lightening (Urogue encountered) all the time while another island that has invisible roads (Apoo) and other islands are actually giant plants (SA is a group of trees togetherwhile each island in Boin Archipelago is an individual plant ).

That is, IMO, Enies Lobby fits in the oddity of Grand Line islands.

maxterdexter

Mangrooves exist in the real world. Taking that to another kind of plant, and boom, you have carnivore plants islands.

There's a place in my country where Lighting strikes every day, and lighting is part of weather.

And Apoo's misterious road.. Is misterious, I have no clue on what that was about. Invisible ground is the only thing that I can think of.

But a place that is always under the sun, without being tidal locked with the sun, or near the poles, or rotating like Uranus, or having a giant weird space object redirecting light to it.

After the whole chapter explanation on sky islands that is summed up with "seastone did it", and the explanation of the resin that forms the coating of fishman island, do you think that the sun of eines loby is just "Misterious daylight"?

Monkey King

@maxterdexter:

There's a place in my country where Lighting strikes every day, and lighting is part of weather.

The One Piece island was like a video game hazard of constant lightening. There is nothing on earth like that.

I don't think she's saying it's inexplainable. But that it doesn't require a super grounded real world explanation. There's more than just sunlight that's strange about Enies Lobby, recall the massive bottomless pit in the middle of the ocean that it hangs over! I'd guess there's some extremely detailed backstory to the place involving the Lost Century. And not just "Equator".

mbaruh

@Monkey:

The One Piece island was like a video game hazard of constant lightening. There is nothing on earth like that.

I don't think she's saying it's inexplainable. But that it doesn't require a super grounded real world explanation. There's more than just sunlight that's strange about Enies Lobby, recall the massive bottomless pit in the middle of the ocean that it hangs over! I'd guess there's some extremely detailed backstory to the place involving the Lost Century. And not just "Equator".

He's trying to say that a lot of things in One Piece are inspired by the real world; obviously Oda will make exaggerations now and then to make it cooler.

Monkey King

@mbaruh:

He's trying to say that a lot of things in One Piece are inspired by the real world; obviously Oda will make exaggerations now and then to make it cooler.

I understand that, hell I'm one of the people most constantly pointing that out.
But that doesn't mean all fantastical elements are based on real world scientific things.

K. Kira XXIII

@maxterdexter:

And Apoo's misterious road.. Is misterious, I have no clue on what that was about. Invisible ground is the only thing that I can think of.

Remember that time when Doffy was going to Punk Hazard, before he found the heads of Buffalo and Baby 5. He said something along the lines of: " These brats are lucky, the sky road has been interrupted."

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/One-Piece/Chapter-697?id=251138#13 I always wondered if that had to do with Apoo's mysterious road, or he was just talking about how the clouds he uses to travel around had been shifted. (Also the question if anyone interrupted the sky road)

Tamiel -

Bugs

@Tamiel:

Remember that time when Doffy was going to Punk Hazard, before he found the heads of Buffalo and Baby 5. He said something along the lines of: " These brats are lucky, the sky road has been interrupted."

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/One-Piece/Chapter-697?id=251138#13 I always wondered if that had to do with Apoo's mysterious road, or he was just talking about how the clouds he uses to travel around had been shifted. (Also the question if anyone interrupted the sky road)

Tamiel -

Sky Road is just the name of the move Doflamingo uses to travel between clouds. Apoo's thing was something else (and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't have an answer).

mbaruh

@Monkey:

I understand that, hell I'm one of the people most constantly pointing that out.
But that doesn't mean all fantastical elements are based on real world scientific things.

I dunno, this seems like something that could inspire a fantasy writer:
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/10/the-everlasting-lightning-storm-of-venezuela/
Especially one who's known to adopt real-world rare and exceptional weather phenomena.

I'm not saying it has to be true, since we need official confirmation for stuff like that, I'm saying that it doesn't have to not be true, and wouldn't be surprised if it were.

K. Kira XXIII

@Bugs:

Sky Road is just the name of the move Doflamingo uses to travel between clouds. Apoo's thing was something else (and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't have an answer).

I agree on both statements, I should stop saying things like "I always wondered" when I only made the connection when someone mentioned Apoo's road a couple of hours ago.

Tamiel -