Hmmph. I'm still liking the chapter and fighting is good, but…
I dunno. Doffy's past is kinda underwhelming, to be honest, and, with short chapter length feels kinda rushed.
And Fujitora... I don't know. It seems he is betting on Luffy, but if that's the case then that's a really disappointing final to several chapters of fighting and being cryptic.
Koala calling Sabo on the exact same things I called him on is nice though.
@Bartholemew:
We've also had the father of the Tenryuubito who travelled to Fishman Island. He also seemed to be not that a bad person.
Roswald? didnt he travel with his "Collection" of pirate captains with him, and when one of them tried to escape he detonated his collar?
Glad to see Fuji on the good side I knew he was sensible
I knew Dofla wasn't too hurt I guess he didn't have sad past people thought he's really like a spoiled trust fund kid
Is that the secret of Doflamingo past? All that mistery surrounding the character for that two pages full of cliches?
Oda, you can do better than this.
Noble kid that resents his nobility is an even bigger cliche. We already have this kind of character.
Honestly, I think Doula's story is somewhat uncommon. In fiction, nobles who lose their nobility tend to learn moral lessons and become better people. Doula actually became worse.
@Bartholemew:
We've also had the father of the Tenryuubito who travelled to Fishman Island. He also seemed to be not that a bad person.
However, I don't really like Doffy's father. He may have some noble intentions, but completely fails in the execution. The opposite of complete luxury isn't complete poverty. Considering that his deceased wife was lying at such a miserable place just shows me that he even let his family members die for his ideals instead of actually doing everything that his wife will not die (like going to better doctors).
Doffy may have been a spoiled brat, but blaming his father for his mother's death seems completely justifiably to me.
well it's not like he let his wife die…
world nobles have nothing but their own title...they never work,so they never had any real-life skills,they don't have money that it's not from donations (the "gold of the tenryubito" that doflas stolen to get the shichibukai title),so once one of them ditches the title,it basically becomes a bum.
it's not like he decided to be extremely poor,he just decided to live a life he wasn't ready to live.
Is Oda still writing One Piece? The hell was that backstory? Dofla just went from great to dull character.
Wut?? I find this way better.
How boring would it have been if it was like naruto.
"They killed my girlfriend so I'm gonna start a world war, Lol.
I actually like that he was always evil, this really is NEW. And not usual shonen stuff.
@Bartholemew:
We've also had the father of the Tenryuubito who travelled to Fishman Island. He also seemed to be not that a bad person.However, I don't really like Doffy's father. He may have some noble intentions, but completely fails in the execution. The opposite of complete luxury isn't complete poverty. Considering that his deceased wife was lying at such a miserable place just shows me that he even let his family members die for his ideals instead of actually doing everything that his wife will not die (like going to better doctors).Doffy may have been a spoiled brat, but blaming his father for his mother's death seems completely justifiably to me.
The story of the bad dad letting his wife rot in the mud is coming from maniac doflamingo.I won't trust him that much on that part of the story.
I'm betting we'll get a decent explanation over his mother's death, plus Corazon will have literally the opposite reaction to the event, turning into a good man.
Not sure how Dofla's treatment of his family fits on this flashback, to be honest his attitude is kinda confusing when it comes to his subordinates.
@Bartholemew:
We've also had the father of the Tenryuubito who travelled to Fishman Island. He also seemed to be not that a bad person.
However, I don't really like Doffy's father. He may have some noble intentions, but completely fails in the execution. The opposite of complete luxury isn't complete poverty. Considering that his deceased wife was lying at such a miserable place just shows me that he even let his family members die for his ideals instead of actually doing everything that his wife will not die (like going to better doctors).
Doffy may have been a spoiled brat, but blaming his father for his mother's death seems completely justifiably to me.
I don't think the aim was to leave in complete poverty, but just leaving a normal life without any privilege. Then it's possible that because he lived such a long time in complete luxury, he wasn't able to adapt to the normal life and ended up like that or the World Nobles decided to use their influence to make his life the shittiest possible.
What I'm sayin is, saying it himself lowers his coolness no matter what.
Shoulda come outta Trebol's mouth or something."My life sux you kids don't understand" cannot be redeemed in coolness factor even if it was true lol.
He shoulda handled it like the Joker in Dark Knight film at that party scene. Now that was brilliantly creepy.
Hasn't that always been the mentality of a Celestial Dragon?
They've always been spoiled brats who think they're superior to everyone in every way possible.
First page, Koala bending over with straight legs….:ninja:
Might be a reference to his CoC.
Not that I can be sure with that panda translation
yeah i guess thats it.
@King:
Actually, it's his WN status.
nah he says i'm a noble AND i got the rarest of the powers
It's a bit dumb to assume that a mere half-page flashback is the totality of Doflamingo's history. C'mon people.
Noble kid that resents his nobility is an even bigger cliche. We already have this kind of character.
Honestly, I think Doula's story is somewhat uncommon. Nobles who lose their nobility tend to learn moral lessons and become better people. Doula actually became worse.
Agreed. I find this backstory more interesting because we all expected Doflamingo to be a renegade world noble but it turns out it was his father who wanted to severe their ties with the nobility afterall, and that Dofla, all along, was just a spoiled brat who wanted nothing of the simple life his father sought for himself and his family.
Is it me, but the chapter is shorter than usual?
yeah i guess thats it.
nah he says i'm a noble AND i got the rarest of the powers
It's more clear in the MS translation, which, despite the shitty, edgy dialogue, tends to be more correct about this sort of stuff.
It's a bit dumb to assume that a mere half-page flashback is the totality of Doflamingo's history. C'mon people.
Agreed. I find this backstory more interesting because we all expected Doflamingo to be a renegade world noble but it turns out it was his father who wanted to severe their ties with the nobility afterall, and that Dofla, all along, was just a spoiled brat who wanted nothing of the simple life his father sought for himself and his family.
That's where Corazon will fit the role of noble-that-learned-a-lesson-over-tragic-event. We clearly see 2 kids on the bed scene, one standing and the other holding his mother, Oda just hinted that for a future Law/Corazon flashback.
Is it me, but the chapter is shorter than usual?
It is shorter than usual. If this was Oda's way of avoiding a break next week, I'm all for it.
I'm glad that Oda didn't give Doflamingo a sob story. That was my biggest fear. However, this is pretty underwhelming so far. Doflamingo being an ass since he was a kid was as I expected.
The jinbe cover story is interesting though.
I'm betting we'll get a decent explanation over his mother's death, plus Corazon will have literally the opposite reaction to the event, turning into a good man.
Not sure how Dofla's treatment of his family fits on this flashback, to be honest his attitude is kinda confusing when it comes to his subordinates.
dofla's a self made man..his "family" helped him through the rise from the slums to the stras again..it's not really that strange that he cares about them,they have probably gone through more shit than the straw hats will ever see
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Hasn't that always been the mentality of a Celestial Dragon?
They've always been spoiled brats who think they're superior to everyone in every way possible.
and to be honest,doflamingo actually proved his superiority,he started from nothign as a child and bcame one of the greatest masterminds of the onepiece world.
It's more clear in the MS translation, which, despite the shitty, edgy dialogue, tends to be more correct about this sort of stuff.
well in the ms translation he calls it "one of the rarest abilities in this world", so i would still go with the CoC, because devil fruits are not that rare after all
I would just wait till the actual flashback guys. There's a real reason why Doflamingo laughs all the time, when in pain or angry. There's a reason why 15 to 16 other people would give their lives for him, all of whom have vastly different ages and the like. I'm completely sure none of them are World Nobles either, and judging by the fact that he actually cares about his crew, is willing to protect them, shows that there is more to this story. Just wait. He's obviously angry about something. We'll see.
I think people are overreacting to Doffy's rushed backstory, there's obviously a lot more that's happened in his life since he is after all a grown man. It's just not THAT necessary to explore right now, we've just been given a glimpse of his superiority complex and insanity. Once you hear an 8 year old child accuse his father of letting his mother die because the common people around them are so dirty, and that he used that as grounds to kill his father, then this child gets rejected by the other Tenryuubito after he already said what he hates most is being looked down upon?
At that point I don't need to see anymore until after the fight. What's interesting about Doflamingo is his family and the characters he seems to enlist, and how they're all so thoroughly devoted to him. As for motivations, I've seen enough, and anyone who thought Doflamingo might be unique to the other Tenryuubito in their warped superiority complex was not thinking realistically after witnessing the others.
I liked this chapter though, particularly for the ending because Mingo had been hyped up so much, it made sense for him to be caught off guard as Law's ability is pretty hax, but he instantly responds.
So Law's room is now able to keep DF users from reforming - Logia in particular… That's scary.
Fujitora and Sabo just packed up and left it? I'm cool with that, considering there were bigger things happening on the island than the #2 of the Revolutionaries being there to help take down Mingo. If this was Akainu he'd have kept going in on Sabo, then Luffy and Law, then deal with Mingo later because Absolute BS.
I don't see how Doflamingo deals with Fujitora added to the challengers... it's still chaotic to gna wait to see how Oda gets this to be a Luff-Mingo showdown.
Nice interactions between Koala and Sabo :)
That moment when you realize Bleach had more pages than One Piece lol
he started from nothign as a child and bcame one of the greatest masterminds of the onepiece world.
Yet what it fuels him are the motivations of a emo spoiled brat, angry at the world because he couldnt keep acting like such anymore.
That's why this is so ridiculous.
"I was born into greatness… I possessed the most difficult power in this world to obtain"
As literal as I can phrase it.
It is indeed ambiguous. Could be CoC, could just be the general concept of "privilege" judging by the rest of the speech.
@Lady:
So Law's room is now able to keep DF users from reforming - Logia in particular… That's scary.
I'm not sure it would work on every logia. The less solid ones I mean. Depends on Oda I guess.
But am I the only one that found the whole Radio Knife thing silly? Whatever happened to Armaments Haki, Law?
That moment when you realize Bleach had more pages than One Piece lol
That moment when it still takes me longer to read the 13 page OP chapter than it does a 19 page bleach chapter.
So first of all, I have to mention my favorite part which is Koala disciplining Sabo. It's hilarious and shows a bit more of Koala's character. She can discipline me anytime:wub:
As for the part of Doflamingo, I liked it overall. Assuming this is the only thing we see of him for the flashback, which with other stuff still needing to be shown I doubt it, I would still be fine with it. It's cool to see a spoiled brat go insane, and then do everything he can to get back to his position. He's got more power at this point then the CD's, and while he is spoiled, he still has a soft side for his family. Overall it works quite well and I can't wait for all the information to come in.
Liked Fujitora placing his bet on Straw Hat. He seems like someone who wants to reform the Marines, but has Akainu as fleet admiral, so he has to gamble for his dreams. Maybe he's not blind justice but gambling justice? Or was it confirmed in an SBS or something. I kind of like the idea of a gambling justice.
As for the cover story, looks like Jinbei will be on the path to meeting up with the Straw Hats. I can see the last chapter of that story being getting to Dressrosa, only to find out that they left for a different place.
I though Jinbei was going to meet up with the sun pirates?
I know more about One Piece than you FACT.
Yet what it fuels him are the motivations of a emo spoiled brat, angry at the world because he couldnt keep acting like such anymore.
That's why this is so ridiculous.
it's more like getting back what he thinks it's rightfully his,more than anything what defines doflamingo it's not his superiority complex,but his enourmous ambition.
in a way,it's kind of a positive role model…any other spoiled CD kid would have died in 5 minutes if left in the outside world without his title,instead he fought through hell and won.
in another kind of story,he maybe could be a decent anti-hero
i agree though that i was hoping on something less "shallow" for his character..especially the whole "destroy the world" thing
I though Jinbei was going to meet up with the sun pirates?
He was on his way when he got sidetracked. It's still a question what he's going to do next.
If we were to expand on Doflamingo's flashback, it'll probably involve stuff like him being bullied by "filth" (no gun to protect him now), and we'd get a longer story about him climbing to the top of the slave trade.
That moment when you realize Bleach had more pages than One Piece lol
Not that I read Bleach, considering how awful it is, but does it usually have less pages? Or am I taking your jest a bit too literal?:D
I'm not sure it would work on every logia. The less solid ones I mean. Depends on Oda I guess.
But am I the only one that found the whole Radio Knife thing silly? Whatever happened to Armaments Haki, Law?
You're right, I don't see how that could possibly work against Light, Fire, and Electricity. Though Magma is pretty darn thick, just as or more than the Beta Beta no Mi. I reckon it could work on Akainu, if he could get the beast into such a vulnerable state though ha.
Yet what it fuels him are the motivations of a emo spoiled brat, angry at the world because he couldnt keep acting like such anymore.
That's why this is so ridiculous.
Don't see why it so ridiculous , i mean were not talking about only money we are taking about of group of people that have total control over life or dead etc etc .
Going from one day having everything to having nothing and then people telling you fuck off after you try make it right mess up people even more so children.
Him wanting revenge make senses just that he wants it on a much bigger group of people but in the OP world it's possible.
Yet what it fuels him are the motivations of a emo spoiled brat, angry at the world because he couldnt keep acting like such anymore.
That's why this is so ridiculous.
It's far more unique than another renegade noble who is angry at the other nobles because they're not noble nobles.
Okay its official Doflamingo is Stelly Senior.
Kill all the damn Dragons.
…or maybe he's just regular Stelly. @.@
It's far more unique than another renegade noble who is angry at the other nobles because they're not noble nobles.
At least Sabo's story was well put together and wasnt rushed out of the door.
@CCC:
"I was born into greatness… I possessed the most difficult power in this world to obtain"
As literal as I can phrase it.
It is indeed ambiguous. Could be CoC, could just be the general concept of "privilege" judging by the rest of the speech.
16 chars of Thanks!
Now that One Piece has only 13 pages, one might be wondering where the other 7 pages went…
...and that's where the new Official One Piece Spin-Off Magazine comes in!
I'll wait for more of the backstory until passing full judgment. We still haven't seen how Corazon and Law fit in or what happened to Doffy after what we've seen so far.
…or maybe he's just regular Stelly. @.@
Aww man.. and we just killed off that "everyone is Sabo" rule. :ninja:
TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
From the way things have gone so far I guess that Doffy's backstory will prove it was society that caused him to turn out like this, the divide between classes and the entitlement of authority. Having this ingrained into a child's mind only shapes them if they are not taught morally. It can lead them to develop into the most exploitative and powerful figures in the world.
Not only does it show how abuse of power develops in One Piece but also acknowledges certain evil we cannot see in the real world.
Is not to early to say that , we don't know if this is the end of the flashback.
It's not. There's more to see obviously. Maybe even more of his childhood. Whenever characters are shaded in flashback, they tend to appear in full detail later on.
I can't remember if there were other instances of something like this, but this could have been just a short summary which will be expanded upon later. Sort of like a quick flashback preview.
Koala X Sabo <3
Also, I'm the camp that loves this backstory for Doflamingo.
It really is the better of the two possible clichés. So much better.
Nah, regular Stelly will be Sabo foil. He wasn't kicked from nobles after all.
