I can't wait for all the embarassed faces world leaders make when they have meetings with President Le Pen.
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@Monkey:
Since everyone else white and black alike has failed to make Michigan work, it's pretty much been just Muslims reviving it in any fashion. Michigan seems the best place for American Muslim utopias to be built.
Sufis can hang out with all the Finns in the upper peninsula or something. They seem like the kind of dudes who would enjoy just wandering around a wilderness finding god in trees and moss or whatever.I think the sufis would manage to find God in deserted buildings and bloody hollow tips lying around as well.
Same thing here on the southside in Chiraq, basically everyone owning business that isn't drug trade related are owned by indians or arabs. Maybe the natural cycle of demographic shifts are
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I can't wait for all the embarassed faces world leaders make when they have meetings with President Le Pen.
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Probably because Lebanon is much worse. The Muslim diaspora has to grow its own culture though and not import all the freakshow caravans from back home.
American Muslims are really boring though. Like in the best sense of that possible.
America already has had really crazy Protestant movements since the start anyway, tough competition.but yeah I think the only population of American Muslims that acts crazy are the Somalis in Minnesota. Everyone else just like does nothing but like go to mosques (or not lol) and go to work and shop at supermarkets.
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The cycle of violence and condemnation defined clearly by a local Imam / Historian:
Sheikh. Waleed Abdulhakeem Now here we go again! In regards to the Paris attacks, while I did not anticipate that the next incident will happen in France, the laws of probability dictate that every few months, based on the size of our world and the oppression that exists, an attack is bound to happen somewhere on this planet, and this same terrible cycle will keep repeating itself (make sure to read number 10):
1- Some fanatics somewhere will kill civilians in the name of a religion, ideology, or just out of pure anger.
2- The international media will either call it "an isolated incident by a lunatic fanatic" or a "terrorist attack" depending on who did it.
3- In the first case (anyone other than Muslims), the media will mention it either briefly or largely, depending on the size of the incident and the juicy details, but people will mourn for a few days then move on shortly after.
4- In the second case where the attackers happen to be Muslims (regardless of their belief being the cause), the news will make it to every front page and the highlight of the breaking news segment.
5- Muslim religious leaders (including myself) will come out in large to condemn the attacks, but since their access to mainstream media is limited, their voices will not reach too far (Leaders of other religions however, rarely apologize, even when the attackers quote their religion, because people don't generalize about others).
6- People in large will be outraged against Muslims, and will split between those who are just and won't generalize, and those who have been conditioned by society to spread hate and overgeneralize, or are simply confused by false information.
7- A backlash will happen in which Muslim looking people (or anyone with "their" skin colour, as if they have one!) will be attacked in the streets and near the Mosques. Right wing extremists will take every chance to pass their agenda and spread even more hate. That hate, will breed more hate among some Muslims who will feel more oppressed and targeted.
8- Laws will be passed to make life more difficult for peaceful practicing Muslims (and everyone else de facto), both in Western countries and even in some Muslim majority countries. Those laws will include more surveillance powers for those who are hungry for power and have an agenda, slowly justifying more mass spying and mass discrimination.
9- After a few months, somewhere in this huge world, another uncontrolled and unpreventable incident will happen somewhere else, and the whole cycle of hate will repeat, but the intensity of the cycle will gradually increase, because as long as oppression and hate exists, violence (justified or not) will co-exist too!
10- Number 10, and this is the most dangerous of all, is that at some point, the outrage will reach a critical point, where people who have been feed hate by the media will feel that enough is enough and will start to act irrationally and violently on a wide scale, calling for mass harm against Muslims. History shows us that this has happened many times before to many ethnicities, and not so long ago!
Therefore, the question for all Muslim leaders and people of justice is: how do we plan to break this vicious cycle before it reaches the dangerous critical point? It's time to hold the wheel of a sinking ship and steer it in the right direction to prevent the storm from flipping the entire ship. And for that to happen, we all need to put our hands together, and draft and implement systematic and well researched long term solutions beyond just the typical, usual, and automatic condemnation!
If we want humanity to learn that Islam is the religion of peace (out of honour and respect, not out of apologies and weakness like we say it today), then we need to move beyond words and into action. Humanity needs to see it, not hear it. Lets move beyond slogans. At the same time, hate from the other side has to stop too, and the media needs to grow up and be more responsible.
While nothing justifies any violence on civilians, if you keep referring to attacks on Muslims as "freedom of speech", and attacks on all other religions and races as "hate speech", then this duality and double standards will increase the hate, and hate breeds hate. We will do our part to educate people and stop (or at least minimize) the hate and violence, but in order for us to succeed, you need to help us and do your part to stop the seeds of hate by being more consistent and balanced in your loose definition about freedom of speech. Otherwise, we all loose. Peace!
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I think the sufis would manage to find God in deserted buildings and bloody hollow tips lying around as well.
Same thing here on the southside in Chiraq, basically everyone owning business that isn't drug trade related are owned by indians or arabs. Maybe the natural cycle of demographic shifts are
white > black > arab/latino.Sufis are like the Chameleon. They blend in with their surroundings.
@Monkey:
American Muslims are really boring though. Like in the best sense of that possible.
America already has had really crazy Protestant movements since the start anyway, tough competition.but yeah I think the only population of American Muslims that acts crazy are the Somalis in Minnesota. Everyone else just like does nothing but like go to mosques (or not lol) and go to work and shop at supermarkets.
Having met a few Somalis before, i attribute their aggression to living in a failed state where being violent is a survival method. :getlost:
The American Muslims are somewhat caught between a rock and a hard place. Any radicals would gladly share in the condemnation of homosexuals, hedonism and liberalism as espoused by hard-right Christianists. But unfortunately to these good folk they are the enemy, the devil and would share in the damnation reserved for gays and liberals and lefties if the hard-right Christanists have their way. Conversely American Muslims can only operate securely and freely in a society that respects plurality in religious belief, in other words a secular society…so they have to support Democrats
The cycle of violence and condemnation defined clearly by a local Imam / Historian:
Ugh…Sorry that's so easy. The tipping point will come when the Muslim community as a whole and that includes all or the majority of mosques, madrassas, schools, councils in France and elsewhere categorically reject violence as a viable tool of political persuasion. That also means removing all militant literature and hate preachers/imams from circulation, putting Islamic schools under state control and re emphasizing moderate Islamic positions whether they be from classical islamic theology and law, sufism or modern moderate muslim movements.
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Ugh…Sorry that's so easy. The tipping point will come when the Muslim community as a whole and that includes all or the majority of mosques, madrassas, schools, councils in France and elsewhere categorically reject violence as a viable tool of political persuasion.
What makes you think that this has not been happening? Like the Imam said, the voices of the muslim leaders who condemn, educate, and call for peace are largely unheard, though they are speaking loud and clear at friday prayers, at family events, on the news whenever they are permitted, and on social media.
That also means removing all militant literature and hate preachers/imams from circulation, putting Islamic schools under state control
These people who commit violent attacks are not spurred on by "how to be a terrorist" books, and mosques that allow imams who have violent ideologies in the west are miniscule, with the amount of gov. informants that are well known to attend any muslim gathering. They are usually young, hot-headed, and stupid, learning about Islam online from people who twist religious texts to suit their purposes.
Lol @ Islamic schools under state control. There has never been any problem with Islamic schools' teachings, in Canada anyway, as they are required to teach the provincial curriculum and are allowed to add extra religious and language classes. I should know. I manage one.
and re emphasizing moderate Islamic positions whether they be from classical islamic theology and law, sufism or modern moderate muslim movements.
Uh.. I don't see what purpose this serves. Are you saying every muslim on the planet should be like wearing a badge describing the beliefs they have?
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What makes you think that this has not been happening? Like the Imam said, the voices of the muslim leaders who condemn, educate, and call for peace are largely unheard, though they are speaking loud and clear at friday prayers, at family events, on the news whenever they are permitted, and on social media.
These people who commit violent attacks are not spurred on by "how to be a terrorist" books, and mosques that allow imams who have violent ideologies in the west are miniscule, with the amount of gov. informants that are well known to attend any muslim gathering. They are usually young, hot-headed, and stupid, learning about Islam online from people who twist religious texts to suit their purposes.
Lol @ Islamic schools under state control. There has never been any problem with Islamic schools' teachings, in Canada anyway, as they are required to teach the provincial curriculum and are allowed to add extra religious and language classes. I should know. I manage one.
Uh.. I don't see what purpose this serves. Are you saying every muslim on the planet should be like wearing a badge describing the beliefs they have?
It has to happen more. If that sounds flippant than yes. The gloves need taking off. The Imams, Mullahs, Allamahs, Sheiks, Sayyids whathaveyou need to make it emphatically clear that violence is not the answer. And not just with words. Muslim community leaders need to engage their youngsters if they see militancy taking root. Islam means peace but for too long the mainstream Muslim community whether in the West or in many Muslim nations have an ambivalent relationship with their extremists. We'll condemn Al Qaeda when it blows up civilians but are noticeably muted when they attack the USS Cole for instance, even though it was not at war nor attacking Muslims.
I advocate state control of Islamic schools in France because although there is no terrorist cookbook that militants read up on, much of Islamic literature (not all) in the past 20-30 years has been distributed and reflects many Salafi and militant ideas. This goes on to their conceptions of Jihad and even interpretations of the Quran and other religious texts. Publishing houses throughout the Muslim world are churning out material that is being read and taught to millions of Muslim children all over. Much of it reflects a particlularly intolerant strain of Islamic thought. This is a war of ideas and books are weapons.
You live in Canada? and you have no issues? That's great. Always wanted to go there someday.
I live in a Muslim society that a few years ago was tolerant and pluralist in attitude but before my very eyes is becoming bigoted, intransigent and where the call for hudud is getting louder and louder every day. I see local Muslim scholars condemning Wahhabism but at the same time parroting many of their talking points like banning Christmas, Valentine, Halloween and in whispers, referring to the Mawlid as bidaah. None of the local Muslim leadership including the ulama' have condemned ISIS or Al Qaeda in absolute terms.
So yes, maybe my circumstances colour my rather cynical and harsh perspective but I see them as necessary preventative measures so that the Muslim diaspora doesn't have to ever wear badges in the future.
! and re emphasizing moderate Islamic positions whether they be from classical islamic theology and law, sufism or modern moderate muslim movements.
Not sure why you equated this with wearing badges though in your original post.
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It's just so insane to imagine that someone would kill someone over a drawing.
God i can already see the rightwing kicking into high gear with their hah what did we tell you schtick.
Just hope the violence doesn't go further, violently lashing out at unrelated people isn't going to solve anything
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I´ve always thought that one of the biggest problems about Islamic communities in Europe is that they usually close themselves in their own shell and don´t make an effort to reach out to their neighbouring community.
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Hmmm the caricatures of that magazine don't strike me as funy, satire, interesting, or serving a purpose beyond hate inspiration. If south park attacks someone is either one of it's characters or some person in specific, this "art" is about perpetuating racial stereotypes.
I think that the islamic comunity had enough grounds to try and stop the magazine through pacific or legal means. Now, not so much.
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I´ve always thought that one of the biggest problems about Islamic communities in Europe is that they usually close themselves in their own shell and don´t make an effort to reach out to their neighbouring community.
If the mainstream media doesn´t pay them attention when these sort of situations happen, why not get their attention with social initiatives?Speaking on generalities perhaps the majority of the French Muslim community doesn't feel like it belongs in France? i don't know. Living in the UK for a few years among the British Muslim community I was struck by the strong sense of alienation many of my classmates felt at living in Britain. Me? i thought they were bloody lucky to get to live there and they should be grateful they weren't living in Pakistan which admittedly hasn't changed much even today. Even in social media there's very little moderate Muslim voices relative to conservative, hardline and militant ones.
It's not like European Muslim leaders haven't come out every time there is a tragedy and condemned extremism. But surely repeating the same thing time and again with no visible results is the definition of madness? Maybe a more carrot and stick approach may work.
Hmmm the caricatures of that magazine don't strike me as funy, satire, interesting, or serving a purpose beyond hate inspiration. If south park attacks someone is either one of it's characters or some person in specific, this "art" is about perpetuating racial stereotypes.
I think that the islamic comunity had enough grounds to try and stop the magazine through pacific or legal means. Now, not so much.
As a firebrand teenager I would have been irate at seeing those cartoons first time. But today an older wiser me can see them for what they are: images culled from the imagination of the artist. Whatever they're supposed to represent is not my idea of the Prophet. Also in terms of the scripture there is no real directive to go after those that insult the Prophet so if God is above all this petty snark then who am i to argue otherwise?
Yeah they could have gone legal. Argue that the anti-Semitism laws could be extended or a similar one to it but for the protection of Islam be enacted.
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! > It has to happen more. If that sounds flippant than yes. The gloves need taking off. The Imams, Mullahs, Allamahs, Sheiks, Sayyids whathaveyou need to make it emphatically clear that violence is not the answer. And not just with words. Muslim community leaders need to engage their youngsters if they see militancy taking root. Islam means peace but for too long the mainstream Muslim community whether in the West or in many Muslim nations have an ambivalent relationship with their extremists. We'll condemn Al Qaeda when it blows up civilians but are noticeably muted when they attack the USS Cole for instance, even though it was not at war nor attacking Muslims.
! As someone who works extensively with the muslim community, this makes me feel exasperated. I may live in Canada, but having hosted internationally-known shyookh for talks and lectures, I know for a fact that muslim leaders in the US, many places in the UK, Australia, Malaysia, heck even Hong Kong at least are working hard to dispel violent myths about Islam, and regular muslims are rising up to the challenge to educate their communities, and yes, that means engaging youths who are at-risk to subscribe to violent ideology. We are hosting a event for the youths about this topic ourselves soon.
! And saying that muslims are “noticeably muted” when attacks on the US or any non-muslim entity awards a genuine facepalm from me. I believe you need to widen your circle, cuz the majority of the muslim community worldwide is alive and united against violence. The minority are uneducated about these issues, however the media focuses on the minority of course.
! > I advocate state control of Islamic schools in France because although there is no terrorist cookbook that militants read up on, much of Islamic literature (not all) in the past 20-30 years has been distributed and reflects many Salafi and militant ideas. This goes on to their conceptions of Jihad and even interpretations of the Quran and other religious texts. Publishing houses throughout the Muslim world are churning out material that is being read and taught to millions of Muslim children all over. Much of it reflects a particlularly intolerant strain of Islamic thought. This is a war of ideas and books are weapons.
! Any more control over muslims in France is asking for trouble. As a French speaker I would have loved to visit France, but when they put their hijab-ban in place I vowed I would never step foot in that country, and most others feel the same. Militant literature is found everywhere, especially on the internet, but literature combating those lies and misunderstandings are ten-fold.
! And nope, assuming that muslim kids are being taught violent ideas is just fear-mongering. I really hope you don’t repeat that idea elsewhere.
! > You live in Canada? and you have no issues? That's great. Always wanted to go there someday.I live in a Muslim society that a few years ago was tolerant and pluralist in attitude but before my very eyes is becoming bigoted, intransigent and where the call for hudud is getting louder and louder every day. I see local Muslim scholars condemning Wahhabism but at the same time parroting many of their talking points like banning Christmas, Valentine, Halloween and in whispers, referring to the Mawlid as bidaah. None of the local Muslim leadership including the ulama' have condemned ISIS or Al Qaeda in absolute terms.
So yes, maybe my circumstances colour my rather cynical and harsh perspective but I see them as necessary preventative measures so that the Muslim diaspora doesn't have to ever wear badges in the future.
! Canada has its issues just like every other country does.
I’m sorry to hear that the muslim leadership in your area is not condemning ISIS and Al Qaeda, cuz in person and online here I’m pretty much getting tired of reading the flurry of condemnations that muslim leaders spam the community with. You and I seem to be living in very different places. -
Hmmm the caricatures of that magazine don't strike me as funy, satire, interesting, or serving a purpose beyond hate inspiration. If south park attacks someone is either one of it's characters or some person in specific, this "art" is about perpetuating racial stereotypes.
I think that the islamic comunity had enough grounds to try and stop the magazine through pacific or legal means. Now, not so much.
The cartoons are fairly obviously meant to shock and offend. And they're using the South Park strategy of offending everything and everyone so they won't be called Islamophobe/anti-semite/homophobe/etc. BUT, very few people actually cared about the magazine, as evidenced by the fact it only printed 50k copies a week, which is probably why nobody besides radicals bothered with them. It never had the reach of a Dieudonne or a Marine Le Pen. Until now, because the next edition will print over 1 million copies. The terrorists succeeded in making a niche book with questionable material into a worldwide symbol for freedom of speech and freedom of press.
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As a firebrand teenager I would have been irate at seeing those cartoons first time. But today an older wiser me can see them for what they are: images culled from the imagination of the artist. Whatever they're supposed to represent is not my idea of the Prophet. Also in terms of the scripture there is no real directive to go after those that insult the Prophet so if God is above all this petty snark then who am i to argue otherwise?
Yeah they could have gone legal. Argue that the anti-Semitism laws could be extended or a similar one to it but for the protection of Islam be enacted.
Sorry but I don't care about the prophet, my issue is with the islam women screaming something in french that my insult senses claim to be "support me!"
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! As someone who works extensively with the muslim community, this makes me feel exasperated. I may live in Canada, but having hosted internationally-known shyookh for talks and lectures, I know for a fact that muslim leaders in the US, many places in the UK, Australia, Malaysia, heck even Hong Kong at least are working hard to dispel violent myths about Islam, and regular muslims are rising up to the challenge to educate their communities, and yes, that means engaging youths who are at-risk to subscribe to violent ideology. We are hosting a event for the youths about this topic ourselves soon.
! And saying that muslims are “noticeably muted” when attacks on the US or any non-muslim entity awards a genuine facepalm from me. I believe you need to widen your circle, cuz the majority of the muslim community worldwide is alive and united against violence. The minority are uneducated about these issues, however the media focuses on the minority
of course.Malaysia? then who is this progressive Muslim scholar and leader? If he's known then he hasn't done a good enough job because the mood here is tilting towards puritanism. It took 25 moderate Muslim technocrats and ex-civil sevants to highlight the issue of creeping Islamization and bring it into the public realm. If it's Anwar Ibrahim with all due respect, the man is a politician and he's juggling between a parochial Islamist party on one hand and a Chinese secular leftist party on the other in an uneasy coalition.
Of course officially Muslims are always appalled by violence and condemn it. But is it always representative of the majority of Muslims in truth?
No of course not and neither you nor I can say unequivocally that the condemnation by the Shaykh of Al-Azhar for example is shared by the rest of his faculty, students or even the majority of Egyptian Muslims. What I do know is what I see, hear and experience for myself. And the signs are worrying
Any more control over muslims in France is asking for trouble. As a French speaker I would have loved to visit France, but when they put their hijab-ban in place I vowed I would never step foot in that country, and most others feel the same. Militant literature is found everywhere, especially on the internet, but literature combating those lies and misunderstandings are ten-fold.
And nope, assuming that muslim kids are being taught violent ideas is just fear-mongering. I really hope you don’t repeat that idea elsewhere.
How can it be fear mongering when I have seen it and experienced it? Being in a school playground having to vociferously defend the right of Jewish babies not to be killed because Muslim friends think their blood is legal. Watching Hizb ut Tahrir reps coming into school and being Friday imams and already even at that early stage, attacking fellow Muslims for imagined deviations?
I see it in real life. Young Muslim teens quoting the most severe interpretations while sipping cafe at Starbucks. They may not go out and shoot the kafiri tomorrow but the attitude means they at minimum they may tolerate and at worst encourage it
Canada has its issues just like every other country does.
I’m sorry to hear that the muslim leadership in your area is not condemning ISIS and Al Qaeda, cuz in person and online here I’m pretty much getting tired of reading the flurry of condemnations that muslim leaders spam the community with. You and I seem to be living in very different places.Yup, differing perspectives due to living in different areas and life experiences. Neither trumps the other. Come to Malaysia some day and get a feel for the religious discourse that is taking place, then you may understand my concerns. I think though you will likely do more good with your efforts partly because you have a global viewpoint and come from an evolving Islamic tradition/culture based in the New World
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I've been to Malaysia, and the leaders I'm speaking of are ones who are well known in Canada-UK-Austrailia. They are doing a lot but they're not imams of the mosques there of course, but their work is growing.
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And I'd like to say, if you are muslim and believe that Malaysians need to change, I will say to you what I say to everyone here who condemns Muslims' actions. Heck even if you aren't Muslim it's the same:
If you're already active in your community, then awesome. But if you don't like what you see in your community and you aren't doing anything about it, get up and do something.
Toronto has a successful Muslim community because of hundreds of people stood up and said enough is enough. Halaqa groups can be started, balanced lecture events can be held, more youth events so that the youth becomes part of the mainstream Muslim community instead of delving into the twisted hells online. More Islamic events, seminars, classes that teach what Islam is really about, including respect, cooperation and kindness to non-Muslims.
There is so much opportunity to do good but not enough people who have ihsan, excellence, in doing it.
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It seems the Charlie Hebdo editor wrote this piece a few years back. For anyone who wants to read it. i've also seen columns in newspapers criticizing Charlie and its views but i can't share them cause they are in Spanish (I can post them if you guys want to tho).
[http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/01/07/no_charlie_hebdo_isnt_racist.html
#](http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/01/07/no_charlie_hebdo_isnt_racist.html)JesuisAhmed :
http://mic.com/articles/107988/the-hero-of-the-charlie-hebdo-shooting-we-re-overlooking
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It seems the Charlie Hebdo editor wrote this piece a few years back. For anyone who wants to read it. i've also seen columns in newspapers criticizing Charlie and its views but i can't share them cause they are in Spanish (I can post them if you guys want to tho).
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/01/07/no_charlie_hebdo_isnt_racist.html
Charlie still devotes many of its cover illustrations to Papists.
what year is it
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Another piece on the type of satire of Charlie and a critique of it. I think this one is better than the other one i criticized even if i don't agree with various points of it (well, i'll be an asshole if i only publish thing i agree with). Althought i find it funny that it says White cartoonists were the one contributing since some cartoonists in México also collaborated (i know some of them) and we aren't white by a mile. In fact cartoonist is a dangerous profession in México.
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The "NOTHING IS SACRED GEEZ TAKE A CHILL PILL IT'S ONLY A JOKE" school of humor infuriates me.
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It's always annoying when people use South Park as some kind of paragon of intelligent and edgy satire when they pointlessly shit on trans people all the time
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Of course officially Muslims are always appalled by violence and condemn it. But is it always representative of the majority of Muslims in truth?
No of course not and neither you nor I can say unequivocally that the condemnation by the Shaykh of Al-Azhar for example is shared by the rest of his faculty, students or even the majority of Egyptian Muslims. What I do know is what I see, hear and experience for myself. And the signs are worrying
You seem pretty confident and assured that a majority of Muslims aren't always against violence and then go on to say what you do know, you only know from your own experience.
Does your personal experience give you insight into the majority viewpoint of Muslims all around the world? Does it give you insight of an American Muslim like myself who would disagree otherwise? And what do you mean by violence? Extremists attacks on innocents? Military action? Tribal disputes? Harsh criminal justice? Street fighting? A person not always being against "violence" could mean anything. Like, I'm a Muslim and I wouldn't be against someone shooting a rapist pedophile in the face. Islam is a religion of peace but no one's trying to make it out to be the stereotypical Buddhist monk cliché where any act of violence turns Muslims pale and bent over a bucket.
I'm not the ideal Muslim, far from it, and surely can't speak for everyone, but I know the reason why Muslims come out so hard against violence in general is to fight the stereotype that Muslims are violent, period.
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So, Boston's officially the US candidate for hosting the 2024 Summer Olympics.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/30510058
I'm rather skeptical as to my city's capabilities of hosting such an event and not resulting in a clusterfuck, but who knows, maybe I'll be surprised if this bid pans out.
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If it's Boston, I can guarantee that nobody will be able to figure out their way around the city and that mass chaos will ensue.
So I'm sure it'll be a success.
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@Purple:
If it's Boston, I can guarantee that nobody will be able to figure out their way around the city and that mass chaos will ensue.
So I'm sure it'll be a success.
That's just what I was thinking. Trying to imagine all those international athletes and tourists trying to navigate those cow paths turned roads/interstates. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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Olympic sites to be placed along the Freedom Trail because that's the only marker of navigation that any tourist knows.
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I'm rather skeptical as to my city's capabilities of hosting such an event and not resulting in a clusterfuck
A single city doesn't have to host everything any more but can share hosting duties with other cities. They also lightened the rules about using existing facilities.
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I thought it was going to be D.C. Thank God it's not D.C.
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Oh good. Now we can offload duties to somewhere like Worcester so that we can actually have some reinvestment in the damned and decrepit city.
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Always wanted to visit Boston though especially in the spring.
Better Late than never I guess.
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Apparently South Africa is interested in placing a bid, a Johannesburg Olympics would be amazing.
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Better Late than never I guess.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=BDavVPOOFNG0oQS04oHYAw&url=http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/barack-obama-free-community-college-114094.html&ved=0CB0QqQIwAA&usg=AFQjCNEDjm7o03mByv0AeLefTj4zQlzFZQDammit why am I always too late to reap the benefits of a slowly progressing education system.
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They should host at least a few events at Fenway. If nothing else, the Iranian teams would appreciate the YANKEES SUCK chants.
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@Purple:
Oh good. Now we can offload duties to somewhere like Worcester so that we can actually have some reinvestment in the damned and decrepit city.
Why the hell would we want to show off Worcester to the world? We're trying to be impressive here.
Always wanted to visit Boston though especially in the spring.
We are very pretty in the Spring. But these are Summer Olympics which means . . . . . . humid. Blech. Not necessarily though, these last two Summers have been pretty mild.
@Cyan:
Apparently South Africa is interested in placing a bid, a Johannesburg Olympics would be amazing.
South Africa had the last World Cup, they can wait a bit longer.
They should host at least a few events at Fenway. If nothing else, the Iranian teams would appreciate the YANKEES SUCK chants.
What the heck could we host at Fenway? Baseball isn't an Olympic sport.
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What the heck could we host at Fenway? Baseball isn't an Olympic sport.
It doesn't matter because people will still be chanting YANKEES SUCK anyway
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What the heck could we host at Fenway? Baseball isn't an Olympic sport.
Not right now but the 2020 Olympics are in Tokyo where baseball and softball are both popular. It's pretty much a lock that the organizers will ask the IOC to reinstate those sports.
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Sorry but I don't care about the prophet, my issue is with the islam women screaming something in french that my insult senses claim to be "support me!"
I looked up the translation.
That seems to be an obscenely bad taste joke that that the kidnapped girls of Boko Haram would be calling for child support over their new rape babies :/
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I've been to Malaysia, and the leaders I'm speaking of are ones who are well known in Canada-UK-Austrailia. They are doing a lot but they're not imams of the mosques there of course, but their work is growing.
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And I'd like to say, if you are muslim and believe that Malaysians need to change, I will say to you what I say to everyone here who condemns Muslims' actions. Heck even if you aren't Muslim it's the same:
If you're already active in your community, then awesome. But if you don't like what you see in your community and you aren't doing anything about it, get up and do something.
Toronto has a successful Muslim community because of hundreds of people stood up and said enough is enough. Halaqa groups can be started, balanced lecture events can be held, more youth events so that the youth becomes part of the mainstream Muslim community instead of delving into the twisted hells online. More Islamic events, seminars, classes that teach what Islam is really about, including respect, cooperation and kindness to non-Muslims.
There is so much opportunity to do good but not enough people who have ihsan, excellence, in doing it.
The theme I'm sensing between you two is that immigrant communities (and uh local African slave descendents Muslim communities) of the New World are quite different than European immigrant communities (no idea about Australia).
There's an awkward thing going on over there where I think poorer more vulnerable immigrants are moving in, and moving in with the very very awkward and undeveloped immigration culture of Western Europe.
It's like here in Canada and the US we have very matured and seasoned immigration cultures, the alienation he mentioned is just less of a thing. When even a ton of Kurds can decide to settle in Nashville of all places and have it work out alright.
This theme of alienated isolated seething immigrant communities in Europe just keeps coming up in this news thread.
I think he has a point that there's something to be done in the communities themselves, and I also think what you're saying is right in that the non-Muslim community needs to adjust some of it's attitude for sure.
That's what makes this so tricky, two sides have to make moves across a divide.
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A single city doesn't have to host everything any more but can share hosting duties with other cities. They also lightened the rules about using existing facilities.
Oh great that means Mass is going to lean on us (New Haven) and Rhode Island isn't it lol.
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Why the hell would we want to show off Worcester to the world? We're trying to be impressive here.
Hey now, while ghetto as heck Worcester has that old rusty redbrick gritty charm of lots of small New England cities have. It has dignity even if it has no money. A bit like Bridgeport or Lowell.
Once again, it's Springfield you should absolutely avoid showing anyone, it's the only city in all New England that looks like ass.
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I thought it was going to be D.C. Thank God it's not D.C.
Just about to say that. Could you imagine the congestion on the Metro and the Beltway in a city with no goddamn highways in the downtown area? Or the possibility that Pepco would be in charge of keeping power up throughout the games' run? There'd be no more trees left in all of DC and the Maryland suburbs! And they'd still lose power if the wind blew a little harder than usual. That's not even going into the local government itself yet!
Oh yeah, congrats and good luck with that Olympics thing, Boston. Just keep most of the tourists away from Cape Ann and we'll still be on good terms.
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@Mr.:
Just about to say that. Could you imagine the congestion on the Metro and the Beltway in a city with no goddamn highways in the downtown area? Or the possibility that Pepco would be in charge of keeping power up throughout the games' run? There'd be no more trees left in all of DC and the Maryland suburbs! And they'd still lose power if the wind blew a little harder than usual. That's not even going into the local government itself yet!
Oh yeah, congrats and good luck with that Olympics thing, Boston. Just keep most of the tourists away from Cape Ann and we'll still be on good terms.
Yeah, D.C. metro is frustrating enough with its regular congestion. Imagine all the Olympic tourists, piled on the regular summer D.C. tourists, piled on the people just trying to get to work. What a nightmare that would've been.
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@Monkey:
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Definitely, I've heard from friends who've travelled across Europe to avoid such-and-such countries which are Muslim (and immigrant I guess)-unfriendly. Latest I heard was Italy where my Turkish friend got crazy angry eyes like everywhere.
But more important than that is like what you said, the Muslim communities being pro-active. But it's like a catch 22.
1. Uneducated Muslims are causing these violent incidents.
2. Condemnation and a call for reform in Muslim in communities are made.
3. Practicing Muslims are seen as extreme and need to be monitored, making them feel oppressed
4. Muslims feeling oppressed begun to feel isolated /alienated.
5. Repeat.Now, what would end this cycle?
If regular practicing Muslims were seen as normal people and given freeway to do outreach work in the community without the media constantly making them feel like the enemy when someone spills a glass of milk, then more people would be educated, no isolation, no alienation etc.Honestly, if the media changed it's methods of portraying Muslims for one year, I wonder how much public opinion would change.
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@Monkey:
Oh great that means Mass is going to lean on us (New Haven) and Rhode Island isn't it lol.
Considering that the other three cities that had bids were Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Washington D.C., those would be the most likely co-hosts. Boston would probably get the more high profile events like the Torch lighting and most of the sports people actually care about.
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Considering that the other three cities that had bids were Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Washington D.C., those would be the most likely co-hosts. Boston would probably get the more high profile events like the Torch lighting and most of the sports people actually care about.
Cohosts that far around the country though?? I mean DC would work fine. But LA and San Fran? No way.
Yale actually has a bunch of sports stuff that they could host with. But holy lol would New Haven not be able to support even a side influx. -
Considering that the IOC has said that even separate countries could share hosting if necessary, there's no reason to think that the US couldn't split them between coasts.
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Olympic hosts from coast to coast
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@Purple:
Olympic hosts from coast to coast
Space Ghost not included.
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