Random News Article Discussion II

David Ludwig

@Monkey:

it could be Florida.

One of the duck ponds in my neighborhood doesn't even have water. Or swamp.

It just sorta disintegrated in the sun.

wolfwood

Well that doesn't look all that great either. But atleast when it's up-close like that you can think eh atleast there's little splashes of color.

Like if you went down on the street level on those middle-eastern pictures it's probably not as depressing.

But now i'm kinda curious about what a birds eye view of the sadder parts of Florida would look like

Monkey King

@wolfwood:

But now i'm kinda curious about what a birds eye view of the sadder parts of Florida would look like

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wolfwood

Ugh! Opening up this mornings paper i had to read about how the same three pricks have stolen an 11 year old kids wheelchair. Again!

But the innocent widdle kiddies are just under 15 so they can't be persecuted. Instead they'll get a talking to by the social services lady.

Sorry about brining small time, local, stuff in here, but it just pissed me off so immensly that i had to vent.

Purple Hermit

@wolfwood:

Ugh! Opening up this mornings paper i had to read about how the same three pricks have stolen an 11 year old kids wheelchair. Again!

But the innocent widdle kiddies are just under 15 so they can't be persecuted. Instead they'll get a talking to by the social services lady.

Sorry about brining small time, local, stuff in here, but it just pissed me off so immensly that i had to vent.

So I guess three more years til they actually get charged then?

wolfwood

@Purple:

So I guess three more years til they actually get charged then?

I don't expect them to suffer any legal repercussions for doing that, or anything else they manage to do betwenn now and coming of legal age. I'd be willing to wager that the kids who do stuff like this probably have done worse before, to which of course the only response is the social services lady taking to them, maybe asking if they've had a tough childhood or whatever excuse they've got. Well the first few offences they probably just mailed them a letter telling them how naughty their kids have been.

cooldud

@Monkey:

Have you been to Boston? [Boston looks like it sold it's soul to the devil.](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=8Lv&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=sb&biw=1525&bih=741&tbm=isch&q=boston city streets&revid=1138107811&ei=Zv4gU_7nHsL10gHnioGQDQ&ved=0CCEQsyU#facrc=&imgdii=&imgrc=zD6uHxpOAYR46M%3A%3BsM6T469GrtIjuM%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fimg148.imageshack.us%2Fimg148%2F2936%2F1000855vq9.jpg%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.city-data.com%2Fforum%2Furban-planning%2F448875-whats-your-favorite-urban-street-us.html%3B800%3B600) It's just insanely almost perfectly beautiful and clean.

I have. I would rank it as the most beautiful city I have seen in the States.

The most beautiful city I have ever seen? Its a toss-up between London and Istanbul. The architecture in those places is just breathtaking. Then Boston, then NYC and then probably Tel Aviv's white city. Oh, and New Delhi (not Delhi, New Delhi).

Katzztar

@Monkey:

Hey it could be worse than Gaza, it could be Florida.

eegads… take the palm trees out and replace the table-n-umbrellas with a bench, have the tin 'roof'?shelf? be slightly rusted and the building looks no so painted ... then you got a pic of the Dallas suburb (in texas) that I grew in!

The similarity is depressing.

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@cooldud:

I have been to a lot of London and found each neighbourhood as beautiful as the last.

Whoa there, steady now. I'm not going to claim that we're butt ugly but I think you're being way too kind to the UK capital.

More of London looks like this:

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but yes, we do have an odd obsession with making even our most drab (on the inside) buildings have pointless flourishes on the outside. It's why most of our tiny squished semi-detached houses have Tudor (16th century) design elements despite mostly being from the 30s and 50s.

cooldud

I dont find the first picture too bad, to be honest… The second looks from the outer commuter belt. Is it?

taboo

I think all cities can be beautiful with the right lighting

Outerspec

The Architecture and Design thread.

Also the 'Kinda Makes You Want To Travel More And See Other Cities' thread.

ShinigamiKing

http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PRRI-Brookings-What-it-Means-to-be-American-Report.pdf

Go to page 4 of that PDF.

Apparently half of Americans agree that whites face just as much discrimination as minorities.

Dryish

Mainland vikings doing things wrong? Come on. We do things wrong, Norwegians do things wrong, Danes have been wrong since the inception of their nation… But just look at Stockholm. If this isn't pretty then I don't know what is:

Panda Bear

@Dryish:

Mainland vikings doing things wrong? Come on. We do things wrong, Norwegians do things wrong, Danes have been wrong since the inception of their nation… But just look at Stockholm. If this isn't pretty then I don't know what is:

Poor Dry, unable to recognize that city for the monstrosity that it is.

I suppose one could say that he's suffering from… Stockholm Syndrome.

Dryish

It is, it's just… reaching its long arm to grab us from two hundred years back.

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Helsinki basically looks like this:

! Please don't come here.

taboo

savannah here. dont mind us

maxterdexter

Oh look, clean streets and buildings that aren't falling appart..

More seriously, I don't think that Arquitectonical fads should matter, the buildings were made in a time that the structure and astetics made sense, there's a lot of trouble changing it.

Well, near the office, and the two biggest buildings near my new home are all glass behemoths.

wolfwood

I'm suddenly in the mood for some bourbon. Or maybe a mint julep

Nolus

@wolfwood:

I don't expect them to suffer any legal repercussions for doing that, or anything else they manage to do betwenn now and coming of legal age. I'd be willing to wager that the kids who do stuff like this probably have done worse before, to which of course the only response is the social services lady taking to them, maybe asking if they've had a tough childhood or whatever excuse they've got. Well the first few offences they probably just mailed them a letter telling them how naughty their kids have been.

I'm fine with them being talked to, but make it so it leaves an impact. Try to find the cause of their behavior. Try to make them see the error of their ways. Try to make them learn.

Eh, it probably won't happen, but still…

wolfwood

@Nolus:

I'm fine with them being talked to, but make it so it leaves an impact. Try to find the cause of their behavior. Try to make them see the error of their ways. Try to make them learn.

Eh, it probably won't happen, but still…

It's all being left to the parents, with maybe, and i do mean maybe, minimal support from the social services.

And odds are that the parents are either known to the police themselves, or too drunk to care either way. So essentially it's getting off scot free.

Sometimes i wish i lived somewhere where you could't be a borderline career criminal up to the age of 15-18 and not face any repercussions.

Nolus

@wolfwood:

It's all being left to the parents, with maybe, and i do mean maybe, minimal support from the social services.

And odds are that the parents are either known to the police themselves, or too drunk to care either way. So essentially it's getting off scot free.

Sometimes i wish i lived somewhere where you could't be a borderline career criminal up to the age of 15-18 and not face any repercussions.

Yeah, that's a problem… Kids shouldn't be put to jail right away, but they shouldn't get away either.

wolfwood

@Nolus:

Yeah, that's a problem… Kids shouldn't be put to jail right away, but they shouldn't get away either.

Like there are certainly a whole bunch of things where i could say yeah that's just how kids do, and try to reason with them.

But robbery, assault, threatening to kill people and that kind of stuff isn't even close to boys will be boys.

A fourteen year old knows well enough that you aren't supposed to do those things. And he oughta know the consequences.

Prismeru

You guys remind me of a Penny Arcade strip where the police arrives at the home of a 15 year old troll and tell him of his "troll crimes". When the kid tells them "Please don't take me to jail" they just answer "Oh don't worry. Where not taking you to jail. we're just going to take turns beating the stupid out of you". Something among those lines. Violence is never the answer but i remember that strip while reading that article.

wolfwood

People always say that but i can think of a whole bunch of times and scenarios when violence is a viable option.

It's more like it should never be your all-purpose solution to things.

Foolio

@Dryish:

Helsinki basically looks like this:

! http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/article6929105.ece/ALTERNATES/w960/seinämaalaukset+seinämainokset+runeberginkatu+liikenne+helsinki+töölö.jpgPlease don't come here.

I resent that as someone who visited Helsinki and loved it >_>

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Prismeru

@wolfwood:

People always say that but i can think of a whole bunch of times and scenarios when violence is a viable option.

It's more like it should never be your all-purpose solution to things.

Violence is never the answer! TAKE THAT BACK

socks him in the face

maxterdexter

I'm propossing forced community/State work for vandalism.

I want to send the bike thugs of the goverment to build the train tunnels for the metro system of caracas to finaly grow as it should have been the last 30 years.

These underage thugs should get to paint walls or something.

Monkey King

@maxterdexter:

Oh look, clean streets and buildings that aren't falling appart..

More seriously, I don't think that Arquitectonical fads should matter, the buildings were made in a time that the structure and astetics made sense, there's a lot of trouble changing it.

Well, near the office, and the two biggest buildings near my new home are all glass behemoths.

I got the feeling from photos that Latin America ended up in the same horrible period of construction boom as Greece did. Like around the 50's and 60's.
Which is just the shittiest luck of the draw.

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@cooldud:

I dont find the first picture too bad, to be honest… The second looks from the outer commuter belt. Is it?

Haha, define 'outer'. London's so big that its commuter belt extends to several towns and cities. This photo isn't actually that far out - it's East London. A lot of East London looks like that, it's not as well-off as the West. And as for the first picture…I guess if you're not used to such buildings, you might find they have appeal, but so so many roads in London are made up of those brick terraces where half the buildings are takeaways or taxi firms or whatever.

Though as the Helsinki Example (TM) demonstrates, it's easy enough to make a place look good or bad through selective use of photos. I tend to just dump myself into random places on Google Street View if I want to get an idea of what a city or place actually looks like. City centres are only representative of the shopping/big business districts.

@taboo:

savannah here. dont mind us

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nAjpq5GWuAU/UFk2LAZW67I/AAAAAAAAAfo/OAS9yfbfdbg/s1600/blog-3.jpg

http://www.missallstarunitedstates.com/savannah-georgia-1-592mz062510.jpg

That's beautiful.

@Dryish:

It is, it's just… reaching its long arm to grab us from two hundred years back.

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Helsinki basically looks like this:

! http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/article6929105.ece/ALTERNATES/w960/seinämaalaukset+seinämainokset+runeberginkatu+liikenne+helsinki+töölö.jpgPlease don't come here.

Helsinki looks a lot like Kiel judging by that picture. Or at least, your average North German city. Gives me fond memories. And all those fl…apartments together as opposed to semi-detached houses means a very different use of space which isn't necessarily a bad thing at all.

Monkey King

Savannah is selectively beautiful, some blocks are gorgeous, and then the next one over will be a crumbling ghetto. It was really strange taking walks.
River Street is flawless though.

maxterdexter

@Monkey:

I got the feeling from photos that Latin America ended up in the same horrible period of construction boom as Greece did. Like around the 50's and 60's.
Which is just the shittiest luck of the draw.

Downtown and some slums (the pretty lights at the mountains)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=256461

Monkey King

@maxterdexter:

Downtown and some slums (the pretty lights at the mountains)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=256461

….
That actually looks significantly prettier than either Athens or Thessaloniki.
Granted I know you're emphasizing upkeep and stuff, but the foundations there are gorgeous by comparison lol.
This is exactly what I was talking about earlier lol.
Beautiful old church in foreground yes…..but that grossness in the background? That's what 80% of the city looks like.

wolfwood

@maxterdexter:

I'm propossing forced community/State work for vandalism.

I want to send the bike thugs of the goverment to build the train tunnels for the metro system of caracas to finaly grow as it should have been the last 30 years.

These underage thugs should get to paint walls or something.

This guy right here. He knows whats up.

He's not as dumb as i look that's for sure.

maxterdexter

@Monkey:

….
That actually looks significantly prettier than either Athens or Thessaloniki.
Granted I know you're emphasizing upkeep and stuff, but the foundations there are gorgeous by comparison lol.
This is exactly what I was talking about earlier lol.
Beautiful old church in foreground yes…..but that grossness in the background? That's what 80% of the city looks like.

And what I sent was downtonw, the nice buildings and stuff mostly offices, that actualy looks closer to middle class old buildings.

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My office is in the commercial looking one.

Most new things look like this thoug:

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And last, this is around my new home: I live there!

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The little one on the left. The other one is again an office building, goverment bank institution thing.
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Caracas is pretty in pictures, the avila is magestic and useful, natives feel disoriented when they go outside the city, a green mountain chain in the north is a very useful reference point.

Monkey King

Ah yeah those second and third pics look like Thessa.

DARK_RITUAL

I honestly don't understand the complaints about this beautiful cities and streets. A beautiful city to me is the people, the crowd, and how everyone is just out there.

Now try to compare that with Dallas, oh no, walking in street of Dallas is like walking with ghosts.

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Katzztar

@DARK_RITUAL:

I honestly don't understand the complaints about this beautiful cities and streets. A beautiful city to me is the people, the crowd, and how everyone is just out there.

Now try to compare that with Dallas, oh no, walking in street of Dallas is like walking with ghosts.

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LOL,
The first pic reminds me -for some odd reason- of the few times my sister would -err had to- drive through Oak Cliff.
Where is the 2nd pic from? esp that red building on the right side?
I don't recognize it … but then I didn't exactly go driving around Dallas sightseeing

DARK_RITUAL

@Katzztar:

LOL,
The first pic reminds me -for some odd reason- of the few times my sister would -err had to- drive through Oak Cliff.
Where is the 2nd pic from? esp that red building on the right side?
I don't recognize it … but then I didn't exactly go driving around Dallas sightseeing

The 2nd pic is around the Houston/main street in Dallas downtown.

The red building is "Old Red Museum of Dallas".

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little history about it- "It's one of the oldest buildings in Dallas is the Dallas County Courthouse, built in 1891. Built of red sandstone, the government building operated until 1966 as the courthouse. From 2005-2007, the building underwent renovations and is currently the Old Red Museum, a museum of local history".

Katzztar

@DARK_RITUAL:

The 2nd pic is around the Houston/main street in Dallas downtown.

The red building is "Old Red Museum of Dallas".

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little history about it- "It's one of the oldest buildings in Dallas is the Dallas County Courthouse, built in 1891. Built of red sandstone, the government building operated until 1966 as the courthouse. From 2005-2007, the building underwent renovations and is currently the Old Red Museum, a museum of local history".

Ah thanks, I grew up in the Dallas northern Suburbs -Carrollton & Farmers Branch- but didn't really go through Dallas too much. And of course many 10 yr olds really aren't interested in the buildings or history -unless its the "really cool stuff, like the Alamo"- (unfortunately that's a real quote… from me as a kid). Now that I'm grown, I am far more interested in the history and the architecture of places.

Aohige_AP

Posting pictures of Kyoto and Osaka wouldn't be fair, I suppose.
Kyoto especially is F'n beautiful from any angle possible.

I live in a nicer part of DFW btw, but it's expensive as hell in this little town of Coppell.
When I buy a house it's gonna be on the neighboring cities that cost half of ones here.

I saw a rather big coyote cross the street here the other day, in smack middle of urban residential area.
Dude was so big I thought it was a wolf at a glance.
Texas, I tell ya.

taboo

@DARK_RITUAL:

The 2nd pic is around the Houston/main street in Dallas downtown.

The red building is "Old Red Museum of Dallas".

! [qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Dallas_County_Courthouse_-Old_Red.jpg[/qimg][qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Dallas-_Old_Red_Museum_01.jpg[/qimg][qimg]http://www.texasescapes.com/DallasTexas/DallasImages/DallasBirdseyeViewOldRedCourthouseCDeWuanSimmons206.jpg[/qimg]
little history about it- "It's one of the oldest buildings in Dallas is the Dallas County Courthouse, built in 1891. Built of red sandstone, the government building operated until 1966 as the courthouse. From 2005-2007, the building underwent renovations and is currently the Old Red Museum, a museum of local history".

ah yeah, i think my hs band took a field trip and visited here once i think. dont they make fudge and stuff inside?

also isn't the grey building in this picture this one you posted where Oswald shot JFK from? http://steve-lovelace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/downtown-dallas-elm-street-reflection.jpg

its been a long time since ive been to dallas lol

Gliblord

@Aohige_AP:

Posting pictures of Kyoto and Osaka wouldn't be fair, I suppose.
Kyoto especially is F'n beautiful from any angle possible.

I live in a nicer part of DFW btw, but it's expensive as hell in this little town of Coppell.
When I buy a house it's gonna be on the neighboring cities that cost half of ones here.

I saw a rather big coyote cross the street here the other day, in smack middle of urban residential area.
Dude was so big I thought it was a wolf at a glance.
Texas, I tell ya.

I don't remember Osaka being all the pretty tbh

Aohige_AP

@Gliblord:

I don't remember Osaka being all the pretty tbh

What the hell do you know about Osaka? :getlost:

! All google streetview images
! Where I grew up in elementary school days - although it's changed over the course of years

! My middle school days… in fact, the apartment condos on the left is where I lived, and the road is exact spot where I got hit by a car and broke my leg. :ninja:
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! Then there's the uglier "ghetto" where my grandfather lived, in Himejima next to the Yodogawa river
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As a tourist you may only be be familiar with central Nanba/Umeda area where it's filled with shopping arcades,
But I think its beauty is rather subjective. If someone is a "stupid asians and their crowded streets don't know the beauty of the mighty western Victorian goodness flex" mindset then he would find it ugly, I guess.
I find the whole Nanba-Nipponbashi's busy busy look rather attractive, but what the hell do I know.

But if you're all "Japan's suppose to look like ancient Japan and shit with all their old temples and cherry shit and people in kimonos for fucks sake" Kyoto is pretty much perfect. That place is rather obsessed with keeping its traditional look intact.
And admittedly, they're right, it's pretty damn pretty. Dunno about living there though, Kyoto is known for being prickish arrogant too. :wassat:

Prismeru

When people talk about pretty cities i always remember Barcelona. It has like the right amount of dirt. Beautiful but messy. At least that's how i remember it. I also liked Fukuoka very much (Don't even remember why). But maybe this is some proustian shit and both cities are awful. I don't know b:

Gliblord

@Aohige_AP:

What the hell do you know about Osaka? :getlost:

! All google streetview images
! Where I grew up in elementary school days - although it's changed over the course of years
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! My middle school days… in fact, the apartment condos on the left is where I lived, and the road is exact spot where I got hit by a car and broke my leg. :ninja:
! [qimg]http://i.imgur.com/7Sp88FH.jpg[/qimg]
! Then there's the uglier "ghetto" where my grandfather lived, in Himejima next to the Yodogawa river
! [qimg]http://i.imgur.com/sJ5Od8s.jpg[/qimg]
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As a tourist you may only be be familiar with central Nanba/Umeda area where it's filled with shopping arcades,
But I think its beauty is rather subjective. If someone is a "stupid asians and their crowded streets don't know the beauty of the mighty western Victorian goodness flex" mindset then he would find it ugly, I guess.
I find the whole Nanba-Nipponbashi's busy busy look rather attractive, but what the hell do I know.

But if you're all "Japan's suppose to look like ancient Japan and shit with all their old temples and cherry shit and people in kimonos for fucks sake" Kyoto is pretty much perfect. That place is rather obsessed with keeping its traditional look intact.
And admittedly, they're right, it's pretty damn pretty. Dunno about living there though, Kyoto is known for being prickish arrogant too. :wassat:

I dunno, it all just looks kinda plain to me. Maybe I'm being spoiled by the inaka with all the nice scenery

Dryish

You're not alone with that, really. Apart from the last photo that Aohige posted, everything about it looks just like another big city. It takes more than a few naturally growing trees and not-butt-ugly concrete apartment blocks to reach the "most beautiful city in the world" category.

I'm sure you both could find photos that are much more tantalizing, though, because Kyoto probably beats most bigger European cities hands down when it comes to aesthetics.

wolfwood

I mean it looks clean and very green, nice weather even. But beyond that, buildingwise, it looks pretty ordinary.

Not bad at all, just not what i'd hold up as an example of real beauty

Dryish

As the person who lives in the country with the most untouched nature randomly everywhere, even in all the bigger cities, I think that's my prerogative. You do remember the "incredibly green" picture of my neck of the woods that I posted earlier, don't you? :P

wolfwood

This think that this is my candidate for most beautiful city in the world.

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I mean look at this shit. It's like if someone made art into a city.

Sadly i have been told that the town itself smells awful. But looking at that i might not even care that it smells like pee.