I'm sorry what? Since when has Bakugo been an inspiring force uplifting his class?
Scratch that.
Honestly, I'm struggling to see how this even applies for Deku let alone Bakugo. When has Deku ever inspired and held the class together?
I'm sorry what? Since when has Bakugo been an inspiring force uplifting his class?
Scratch that.
Honestly, I'm struggling to see how this even applies for Deku let alone Bakugo. When has Deku ever inspired and held the class together?
@TLC:
I'm sorry what? Since when has Bakugo been an inspiring force uplifting his class?
Scratch that.
Honestly, I'm struggling to see how this even applies for Deku let alone Bakugo. When has Deku ever inspired and held the class together?
Maybe not the class as a whole, but Deku has consistently inspired his classmates on an individual basis. He helped Todoroki start to work in his issues. He inspired some bravery out of Mineta during USJ, which culminated in his passing the teacher battle exam (Mineta specifically thought of Deku during that scene). He even made Ida look at his priorities differently from the Entrance Exam.
Deku himself may not realize it, but he is someone his classmates (other than Bakugo) look up to.
Maybe not the class as a whole, but Deku has consistently inspired his classmates on an individual basis. He helped Todoroki start to work in his issues. He inspired some bravery out of Mineta during USJ, which culminated in his passing the teacher battle exam. He even made Ida look at his priorities differently from the Entrance Exam.
Yes, I know and appreciate this but Aizawa was talking in the plural, that Deku keeps the WHOLE class together and inspires them to stick together which…as the past two chapters have just proven...is false. If anything Iida applies for this far more than Deku, he at least has a track record for calming down the entire class, it's why he became Class President. And of course there's the issue of Bakugo which this statement absolutely does not apply be it individually or as a collective.
Horikoshi is really banking on a the inspiring stars of the class feeling but it falls flat because the class has not had any real screen time working together as a group, you don't really feel them as a cohesive unit, as a team. Even during villain invasions, they're usually split up in smaller groups. Like when the Strawhats talk about how inspiring Luffy is, you buy it immediately because Luffy is charismatic and you've seen first hand how he draws people in to support him and even sacrifice their own dreams for him. And you see them all work together as a group to support him be it together in a group battle or fulfilling different roles in an arc that all amount to paving a path for Luffy. Deku has never really done that for the class, for Iida and Todoroki sure but he's hardly the glue that keeps the group together. And we've never seen the class treat Deku in any special way.
And again, Bakugo does not apply for this at all, Bakugo is easily the most antagonistic member of the group and why people out up with him at all is beyond me.
Deku I can take but Bakugou feels like a cheap attempt at pulling another contrasting/oh look they are rivals moment again. Which was unnecessary and Bakugou didn't need that screentime.
It's nice to see Deku's Shoot Style kicking on that colored cover. It's hard to imagine that the this poll will have a different top ten besides maybe Yaoyorozu making it with all of the gradual character development she's had.
I wonder who Stamp-Man is. And I have a feeling that Inasa's random animosity towards Shouto has to do with why he dropped out of U.A. despite having the top entrance exam score, and maybe his hero lineage. He doesn't seem like the other Seiketsu kids who tried to ambush U.A. just because it's a popular target.
I'm always glad to see a background character like Sero getting more attention. And Kaminari getting paired with Bakugou is a bit funny after how the latter forced the other short circuit in front of everybody to ease the mood. Explosions and lightning can be a pretty deadly combo, and I think that Sero's tape powers can actually compliment Uraraka's gravity in unique ways if you think about.
I feel like that Seiketsu guy's Quirk is something clay or sand-themed, but it could really be anything.
And to be fair, Bakugou getting kidnapped DID unite several of the students and had all of them concerned and wanting to help despite most of them not tagging along. I feel like Aizawa was talking in a more indirect and subtle sense of bringing the other students together rather than them being inspirational leaders and all-stars like Iida or Shouto.
Damn that is a creepy-ass ability.
Did that kid literally just
those other kids?@TLC:
If anything Iida applies for this far more than Deku, he at least has a track record for calming down the entire class, it's why he became Class President. And of course there's the issue of Bakugo which this statement absolutely does not apply be it individually or as a collective.
Horikoshi is really banking on a the inspiring stars of the class feeling but it falls flat because the class has not had any real screen time working together as a group, you don't really feel them as a cohesive unit, as a team. Deku has never really done that for the class, for Iida and Todoroki sure but he's hardly the glue that keeps the group together.
Uh no, there's a difference between Iida and Deku.
Iida makes it his mission and somewhat of a responsibility to glue the class together and be that kind of guy.
Deku on the other hand doesn't go out on a limb and does that but it's his own personality and actions that indistinctly draws people to him.
That and the various times he broke his fingers and almost lose his arms to follow his ideals of what makes a hero.
I'm pretty sure Eraser is referring to those moments where he shines and the classmates look at him and admire him for going that far.
Funny how you brought up Luffy and his charisma because he sure as hell couldn't care about that but it's just something he has.
The same thing here with Deku.
@Count:
And to be fair, Bakugou getting kidnapped DID unite several of the students and had all of them concerned and wanting to help despite most of them not tagging along. I feel like Aizawa was talking in a more indirect and subtle sense of bringing the other students together rather than them being inspirational leaders and all-stars like Iida or Shouto.
Lol, so it's not because of anything about his personality or how he treats other people but because he was kidnapped? Okay…
I'm pretty sure if any one of them got kidnapped, some of them would unite.
Shiketsu is full of freaks lol.
Without Deku or Bakugou in particular, I doubt the class would be involved with the battles against villains as much as they are now. They're normally the ones who lead the charge, with guys like even Todoroki only acting as necessary.
@TLC:
I'm sorry what? Since when has Bakugo been an inspiring force uplifting his class?
Scratch that.
Honestly, I'm struggling to see how this even applies for Deku let alone Bakugo. When has Deku ever inspired and held the class together?
Dude, I don't know what you're reading but Aizawa specifically says they don't bring the class together. He's saying they inspire the rest of the class to greater heights and to push their boundaries. That's not necessarily a team activity.
Both Deku and Bakugou regularly do things that impress the rest of the class, through power, agility, and sheer ballsiness. They push the rest of the class to try new things and do their best.
Deku obviously has inspired people on an individual basis too, but Bakugou has done some of that himself. He has the direct rivalry with Deku, of course, but he's also brought out the best in Kaminari, Uraraka, and, to a small extent, Todoroki. Iida and now Kaminari have been influenced by him as well.
Uh no, there's a difference between Iida and Deku.
Iida makes it his mission and somewhat of a responsibility to glue the class together and be that kind of guy.
Deku on the other hand doesn't go out on a limb and does that but it's his own personality and actions that indistinctly draws people to him.
That and the various times he broke his fingers and almost lose his arms to follow his ideals of what makes a hero.
I'm pretty sure Eraser is referring to those moments where he shines and the classmates look at him and admire him for going that far.Funny how you brought up Luffy and his charisma because he sure as hell couldn't care about that but it's just something he has.
The same thing here with Deku.
No he doesn't, Deku is the definition of the guy who doesn't stand out, who isn't the type to get people to follow him, he's Mister Normal. Yes, he tries to help where he can on an individual basis and his good heart has led him to helping a few people but in terms of an inspirational leader who can move a group, he falls short. There's a big difference between being a Hero and being a Leader and Deku has yet to move or inspire his class as a whole. He couldn't even keep his class together for their public hazing, nobody was listening to him or looking for advice from him. I'm not saying he can't get there some day but in the present I have no idea what Aizawa is talking about when he says the class looks to Deku for inspiration let alone Bakugo.
Luffy doesn't care about drawing people to him, sure, it just happens, but you can feel that charisma and leadership, Deku exhibits none of that, the people who respect him weren't drawn to him, it's only because he went out of his way to help them because he tries so hard to be a hero, it's not a friendship based on respect as a leader. Luffy does shit for selfish reasons and people still go out of their way to follow him.
@TLC:
Lol, so it's not because of anything about his personality or how he treats other people but because he was kidnapped? Okay…
I'm pretty sure if any one of them got kidnapped, some of them would unite.
Of course. But Bakugou was still widely known to be a huge jerk, someone that I'm sure nobody in the class would mind getting kicked out of the school fair and square all that much besides Deku and maybe Kirishima and Shouto. They may have done the same thing with everybody, but Bakugou was chosen for that arc specifically to show how far these kids would go for ANYBODY in their group, even somebody as off-putting as Kacchan.
And Aizawa wasn't talking exclusively about charisma, but who the major circumstances involving major U.A. events tend to circulate around. And guess what? Bakugou won the Sports Festival. Bakugou was the one who caught the villains' attention to get kidnapped and spur the other heroes to act. Aizawa isn't really talking about them being natural born leaders as much as claiming that whenever something interesting and major happens, either of these two kids end to play a huge role that drags in other people. And that gets things exciting and is starting to give him expectations from how often it occurs.
Oh, and Bakugou also helped motivate Ochako's effectiveness and determination in battle as a legitimate threat.
Dude, I don't know what you're reading but Aizawa specifically says they don't bring the class together. He's saying they inspire the rest of the class to greater heights and to push their boundaries. That's not necessarily a team activity.
Both Deku and Bakugou regularly do things that impress the rest of the class, through power, agility, and sheer ballsiness. They push the rest of the class to try new things and do their best.
Deku obviously has inspired people on an individual basis too, but Bakugou has done some of that himself. He has the direct rivalry with Deku, of course, but he's also brought out the best in Kaminari, Uraraka, and, to a small extent, Todoroki. Iida and now Kaminari have been influenced by him as well.
Well it's hard to tell with slangastream but I still feel Aizawa is giving Deku and Bakugo more credit than their due.
In terms of the effect that Bakugou has on the class. I figured it was more of a case of them being "inspired" by his general work ethic and…dedication?
Or him just being strong and shit. I dunno.
! @TLC:
! > No he doesn't, Deku is the definition of the guy who doesn't stand out, who isn't the type to get people to follow him, he's Mister Normal. Yes, he tries to help where he can on an individual basis and his good heart has led him to helping a few people but in terms of an inspirational leader who can move a group, he falls short. There's a big difference between being a Hero and being a Leader and Deku has yet to move or inspire his class as a whole. He couldn't even keep his class together for their public hazing, nobody was listening to him or looking for advice from him. I'm not saying he can't get there some day but in the present I have no idea what Aizawa is talking about when he says the class looks to Deku for inspiration let alone Bakugo.Luffy doesn't care about drawing people to him, sure, it just happens, but you can feel that charisma and leadership, Deku exhibits none of that, the people who respect him weren't drawn to him, it's only because he went out of his way to help them because he tries so hard to be a hero, it's not a friendship based on respect as a leader. Luffy does shit for selfish reasons and people still go out of their way to follow him.
I don't know how you can refer to Deku as normal. If you are talking about his personality, normal doesn't do him justice when you consider his problem solving skills and hard work.
But okay maybe it's not his personality and you are in fact referring to how similar his thoughts are to an average everyday guy. Except that a normal human being doesn't jump buildings and fight crazy monsters.
Even following your thoughts on him being your normal guy thrown into a superheroes set up, his reactions and action are far from what your Mr Normal would do.
Being a influencer doesn't just involve being goofy and yelling your dreams at people. Luffy is a great character and is an inspirational character but not every inspirational character have to share the same pool of traits as Luffy.
Charisma is also not the same thing as inspiration.
By the way, you probably forgotten the recent kidnapping arc when he shown leadership or the arc before when he was jumping around after being wrecked into a mess but still have his wits to direct his classmates to the most favourable situation.
Or you know, the first few times when he pulled off feats like outsmarting and beating Bakugou, or his fight against Todoroki
@TLC:
Honestly, I'm struggling to see how this even applies for Deku let alone Bakugo. When has Deku ever inspired and held the class together?
USJ arc: Led Mineta and Asui with a plan to take down underwater villains.
Battle Trial: Tokoyami trusted Midoriya for his approach of his Dark Shadow. "Saved" Todoroki.
Field Training: Led Todoroki and Iida against Stain.
Test: Convinced Bakugou to work together with him despite bad relationship. Mineta used Midoriya as an inspiration.
Summer Camp: Led Shouji, Todoroki, Tokoyami and Bakugou at the forest. Came up with a plan.
Hideout Arc: Led Todoroki, Kirishima, Iida and Yaoyorozu to Bakugou's rescue. Came up with a plan again.
You're the one not giving him enough credit. Thanks to Midoriya's smarts and chronic heroism, at least half of Class 1-A has seen how reliable he is.
Mineta prefers big butts, thought he was more of a boob guy.
Love the color spread. UA looks good dressed up. Sero providing censorship and help is nice. Now I want to know what his super move is or was attacking with three tapes the move?
Kirishima is a potato. A manly vegetable indeed. That Shiketsu guy's power is freaky. Like the school requiring them to wear caps during activities. Wish they sold them in real life.
Was loving the students together but these smaller match ups are even better.
@TLC:
Well it's hard to tell with slangastream but I still feel Aizawa is giving Deku and Bakugo more credit than their due.
You should reread it again. Aizawa literally says that they're sources of inspiration for the class and that's it. He even says that they're not examples of people that hold other people together. People do admire Midoriya's planning and Bakugou's sheer talent.
I mean, even Midoriya is inspired by Bakugou.
Hey! Horikoshi you bastard, you made me believe everyone would pass.
"Sticking my face in women's butts."
"Sticking my face in women's butts."
Here's hoping that he takes his rightful place in the top ten for the latest popularity poll.
@TLC:
Yes, I know and appreciate this but Aizawa was talking in the plural, that Deku keeps the WHOLE class together and inspires them to stick together which…as the past two chapters have just proven...is false. If anything Iida applies for this far more than Deku, he at least has a track record for calming down the entire class, it's why he became Class President. And of course there's the issue of Bakugo which this statement absolutely does not apply be it individually or as a collective.
Horikoshi is really banking on a the inspiring stars of the class feeling but it falls flat because the class has not had any real screen time working together as a group, you don't really feel them as a cohesive unit, as a team. Even during villain invasions, they're usually split up in smaller groups. Like when the Strawhats talk about how inspiring Luffy is, you buy it immediately because Luffy is charismatic and you've seen first hand how he draws people in to support him and even sacrifice their own dreams for him. And you see them all work together as a group to support him be it together in a group battle or fulfilling different roles in an arc that all amount to paving a path for Luffy. Deku has never really done that for the class, for Iida and Todoroki sure but he's hardly the glue that keeps the group together. And we've never seen the class treat Deku in any special way.
And again, Bakugo does not apply for this at all, Bakugo is easily the most antagonistic member of the group and why people out up with him at all is beyond me.
Yea this just feels like Hiroshi throwing a big shonen trope just for the sake of it.
Wow, loving the outfits in the colorspread! Especially Ochako's.
And really nice chapter, loved the two of them being shown side by side.
Yea this just feels like Hiroshi throwing a big shonen trope just for the sake of it.
You have to completely miss the point of what Aizawa is saying and maybe just not read, to really come away with this feeling. Bakugou and Midiriya have lifted the class up by pure force of will and hard work and no one wanting to fall behind the two. They don't bring people together or really lead much, it's just inspiration by example and he's demonstrated through other characters, including Iida, Uraraka, and Todoroki. It's why Aizawa has high expectations.
You have to completely miss the point of what Aizawa is saying and maybe just not read, to really come away with this feeling. Bakugou and Midiriya have lifted the class up by pure force of will and hard work and no one wanting to fall behind the two. They don't bring people together or really lead much, it's just inspiration by example and he's demonstrated through other characters, including Iida, Uraraka, and Todoroki. It's why Aizawa has high expectations.
I would have love to seen this explored more beyond people being inspired by shonen MC trope. As of this moment, it seems like a trope for the sake of it being a shonen series. I can understand a bit where Aizawa is coming from but i don't really fully buy it as of this moment.
As for Bakugou….... lol is all i can say.
I can Eraser speech when it comes to Deku but with McBoom also included it seems when of those truth the author decided to throw into his manga. While Deku old-fashioned heroism has a certain effect on people, Bakougou isn't much more than a typical jerk in his class.
@MDL:
Wow, loving the outfits in the colorspread! Especially Ochako's.
And really nice chapter, loved the two of them being shown side by side.
Honestly, Horikoshi does a great job of developing their relationship. In fact, I don't think I've seen a ship this well developed since Kenshin and Kaoru from Rurouni. It's so great to see the both of them trusting each other so much they almost literally know what they're going to do/would do. It might not be "love" right now, but it can be a close friendship that can grow into one.
I can Eraser speech when it comes to Deku but with McBoom also included it seems when of those truth the author decided to throw into his manga. While Deku old-fashioned heroism has a certain effect on people, Bakougou isn't much more than a typical jerk in his class.
It's not about charisma or leadership. It's putting forth strength, growth, and willpower no matter the type of battle that compels the rest of the class to step up their game and make things much more interesting. It looks like plenty of people here need to re-read the fight between Bakugou and Ochako.
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The fact that Aizawa himself is the one giving credit to Bakugou attentiveness and unwavering attacks in the fight above only makes his commentary in the latest chapter make even more sense. There's also the match Bakugou had with Shouto as well.
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You don't have to be a cool guy to motivate others to act and improve. Showcasing prowess in a field where everybody has to compete and push their limits is pretty effective. People are really underselling Bakugou's character development and interactions. Bakugou has been a jerk to Deku the longest, and even Midoriya looks up to Kacchan for his utterly absurd tenacity to be best. It's not unconventional to think that people who tick you off can also create an incentive to do better when you see that they're ahead of yourself in your goals and dreams.
Aizawa specifically remarked on Midoriya and Bakugou not being proficient in bringing people together or to draw attention, but succeed instilling zeal into others (although the translation might change because Mangastream lol. Zeal is defined great energy or enthusiasm in pursuit of a certain objective. Does that word somehow not correlate with with what Bakugou and Midoriya are creating for other characters in the scans above?
I like the cut of your jib Count Mario.:happy:
I would have love to seen this explored more beyond people being inspired by shonen MC trope. As of this moment, it seems like a trope for the sake of it being a shonen series. I can understand a bit where Aizawa is coming from but i don't really fully buy it as of this moment.
Except Izuku's goal is to literally become the next symbol of peace. You know, the guy that is supposed to be a pillar to society.
I mean, that's his character arc in a nutshell. All this inspiration is super-relevant to the story.
Also, look at my first post of this page.
Theway the guy who turns people into blobs of meat speaks reminds me of Shino from Naruto. I wonder if the mangled people will come back to normal after some time, or if the guy has to do it manually.
As a reader I can see that Aizawa is kinda right, people in the class have been motivated by Deku and maybe a bit by Bakugo (mostly Kirishima, but one could maybe count Tokoyami). It's just that he hasn't really seen many of those interactions, like Todoroki with Deku, or been in the situations that he's talking about, like the students vs Stain. So even if he's right, it feels a bit forced.
Honestly, Horikoshi does a great job of developing their relationship. In fact, I don't think I've seen a ship this well developed since Kenshin and Kaoru from Rurouni. It's so great to see the both of them trusting each other so much they almost literally know what they're going to do/would do. It might not be "love" right now, but it can be a close friendship that can grow into one.
Kenshin and Kaoru relationship was generic personified.
Read Our Happy Hour which easily features best example of realistic relationship in manga.
We should hold our own popularity contest! Maybe just something simple, comment your three characters and count manually?
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Also, for the ongoing discussion, here's the pages where Aizawa commented about Deku and Bakugo
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I interpreted it as him having high expectations on those two, and talking about how their personalities affect the class. While Bakugo is a jerk and Deku is still a bit of a nerd, they have a tendency to be very competitive, and always push forward no matter how bad the situation gets. I think that rubs off on the class.
And yes, the rivalry is a common trope. But just because something is a cliché it doesn't mean its bad. It's how the story utilizes that trope that makes it a success or a failure. I love Deku and Bakugo so for me this trope works wonder here. But if you don't like them, it's understandable that it comes off as tiresome.
@Count:
It's not about charisma or leadership. It's putting forth strength, growth, and willpower no matter the type of battle that compels the rest of the class to step up their game and make things much more interesting. It looks like plenty of people here need to re-read the fight between Bakugou and Ochako.
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Man, seeing Ochako's reasoning here is a pretty strong contrast with her current status and a reminder that the tournament was probably the peak of her character development so far. She's saying she was putting her trust in Deku then and wanted to do things for herself, whereas in this chapter she's saying they need to trust and follow him. Obviously the circumstances are rather different so it's not a perfect parallel, but Ochako hasn't really held the spotlight or had serious independent character moments in the past year. It's a shame, really.
Well that was still better than the crappy romance-moment.
Ochako is overall still underdeveloped in the motivation department.
She's just doing it for the money in the end, even if it's not for herself.
@Zar:
We should hold our own popularity contest! Maybe just something simple, comment your three characters and count manually?
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Also, for the ongoing discussion, here's the pages where Aizawa commented about Deku and Bakugo
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http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/121/3663/20-21.pngI interpreted it as him having high expectations on those two, and talking about how their personalities affect the class. While Bakugo is a jerk and Deku is still a bit of a nerd, they have a tendency to be very competitive, and always push forward no matter how bad the situation gets. I think that rubs off on the class.
And yes, the rivalry is a common trope. But just because something is a cliché it doesn't mean its bad. It's how the story utilizes that trope that makes it a success or a failure. I love Deku and Bakugo so for me this trope works wonder here. But if you don't like them, it's understandable that it comes off as tiresome.
Bakugou, Tokoyami, and Shigaraki. Midoriya is also a favorite on-par with them, but having the winner be the protagonist is never fun lol.
Also, your images don't work.
@Count:
Bakugou, Tokoyami, and Shigaraki. Midoriya is also a favorite on-par with them, but having the winner be the protagonist is never fun lol.
Also, your images don't work.
I'm really confused about the images. At first I can't see them, but when I edit them, and right after editing, they show up fine. I think I'll just let it be.
And our first votes for the characters! I'll keep collecting votes until next Thursday. If enough people are interested I'll extend it.
I'll vote for Bakugo, All Might and… and... Uraraka. Sorry Deku and Tsuyu.
! Bakugo "Kacchan" Katsuki - 2
Tokoyami Fumikage - 1
Shigaraki Tomura - 1
All Might - 1
Uraraka Ochako - 1
I'll vote for Stain, Shigaraki and Iida then.
Midoriya, Mineta, and Tsuyu
My votes are for Jirou, Bakugou, and Yaoyorozu.
Quick update before I go to sleep.
! Bakugo "Kacchan" Katsuki - 4
Shigaraki Tomura - 2
Tokoyami Fumikage - 1
All Might - 2
Asui Tsuyu - 2
Jirou Kyouka - 1
Iida Tenya - 1
Midoriya "Deku" Izuku - 3
Mineta Minoru - 1
Stain - 2
Uraraka Ochako - 2
Yaoyorozu Momo - 1
Gran Torino - 1
Kirishima Eijirou - 1
Ashido Mina - 1
Aizawa Shouta - 1
! People who voted
! andre
CaptainAppleJack
Count Mario
Jabberwock
Zar
sgamer82
Bond en Avant
desa
RobZilla
My votes:
Tsuyu
Deku
Gran Torino
Oh, this seems fun.
Deku, Ochako, and….Kirishima.
Want a poll for the thread?
The fact that Deku and Bakugou are leading with a tie is perfect.
Want a poll for the thread?
Probably not, there's too many characters. Seven people have voted and already fourteen different characters have votes.
@Count:
It's not about charisma or leadership. It's putting forth strength, growth, and willpower no matter the type of battle that compels the rest of the class to step up their game and make things much more interesting. It looks like plenty of people here need to re-read the fight between Bakugou and Ochako.
I'm not talking about charisma or leadership. I'm talking about Eraser's argument. McExplode is strong and with a lot of potential but to the others he is just that kid that brags a lot and has a loud mouth. We don't see them thinking that they need to get stronger to not that "shithead" pass them or anything. He has friends(Kirishima) and when he talks, people just remark that he is he's usual hot boiled self and continue with their affair like with any other classmate. Back at his old school BoomBoom was indeed a driving force but now while still being a good student he does not has much effect on the kids. On the other hand Deku does influence because of his old-fashioned way that remind them what comics heroes are. People have evolve into a more realistic approach of the hero(even All Might had before meeting Deku) while Deku is still pinning on good old fashion comic book ideals.
The fight of the festivals! That got me to read that whole thing again. It was a pretty entertaining part of the story althought the last part(the fights) was fairly underwhelming(by skipping to only a few characters fights) it would have been a chance to see a little more of class B.
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Floatie Vs Boom boom
As you can see from your scans the one that give her the drive to surpass herself is Deku's and Iida's motivation. The move Iida made to distance himself from Deku made her consider the way to approach and seeing how far Deku went she becomes even more motivated to be at the level(of commitment) of her friends.
Even when she lose what she thinks about is how Deku is always looking to the next challenge and she wants to do the same. The one that got the most out of the fight was BoomBoom for understanding even the lesser ones should not be underestimated(or it was due to Deku surprising him?).
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I&F vs McExplode
I think it is fairly evident that I&F questioning himself comes from Deku's speech rather than Boomboom trying to force him to fight. He doesn't take him as a rival and he already had the drive to prove he is the best. The only thing that changed was Deku making him question if not using his fire side a bad thing.
The fact that Aizawa himself is the one giving credit to Bakugou attentiveness and unwavering attacks in the fight above only makes his commentary in the latest chapter make even more sense. There's also the match Bakugou had with Shouto as well.
But those fights were not what pushed Floatie and I&F.
It was Iida and Deku that pushed Floatie to put more effort.
It was Deku's speech that got I&F thinking and pushed him to visit his mother and resolve his issues.
You don't have to be a cool guy to motivate others to act and improve.
I agree. It has nothing to do with Nitropalm not being cool but the little effect he has on his comrade. He is a strong dude with a loud mouth. They are not interested in surpassing him more than Shouto or whoever else is in front of them. Neither that he pissed them so much they have to prove they aren't as shitty as he say.
Showcasing prowess in a field where everybody has to compete and push their limits is pretty effective.
I agree. Except they don't try to compete against him more than any other student.
People are really underselling Bakugou's character development and interactions.
Except we are not talking about his character development.
His interactions are fairly normal. He yells a lot, have a friend and the people on his class are used to him.
Bakugou has been a jerk to Deku the longest, and even Midoriya looks up to Kacchan for his utterly absurd tenacity to be best.
Indeed he has a great effect on Deku and probably most of his old shcool. It's not the same in this new one.
It's not unconventional to think that people who tick you off can also create an incentive to do better when you see that they're ahead of yourself in your goals and dreams.
Indeed. Except Mr.Sweat does not tick off his comrades that much. However he is ticked off by Deku. Most students have their stuff they are dealing with and his yelling is just a little nuisance or distraction to them.
Aizawa specifically remarked on Midoriya and Bakugou not being proficient in bringing people together or to draw attention
I would say Exploboy does his best to draw attention.
but succeed instilling zeal into others (although the translation might change because Mangastream) Zeal is defined great energy or enthusiasm in pursuit of a certain objective.
Most of the class is made of energetic people. Deku does a decent job at making people feel they should try to be more heroic or determined by being himself. Baku on the other hand doesn't do much on them.
More importantly the reason I don't agree is that Baku does not have more effect than Iida or Floatie or probably other student. Iida helped floatie gained motivation. Floatie helped Baku gained respect for those weaker. Kirishima had Deku regained confidence. Shadow has plenty people being aww by his power.All of them have some effect on others. Deku stand out because he help more people with their issues. But Baku does not.
Does that word somehow not correlate with with what Bakugou and Midoriya are creating for other characters in the scans above?
Deku: Pushed Iida to work harder(and be less reckless), helped convinced I&F about his left side, had Mineta believe in himself and has been a constant reminder of good old fashion helping others and determination in training. We have seen him touched others and be at the center of different incidents. I can understand Eraser on that.
Explo: He may have helped in convincing floatie to diversify. Other than that he is not much of a zeal creator. Everyone was naturally pumped on the first day on using quirk, on the simulation he mostly got people worried, on the first attack he didn't pushed anyone's limit, on the festival everyone was pumped on proving himself, on the cavalry you might say he pushed his comrades but harden guy is hardcore and tape guy motivated so I'm not sure how they were pushed, battles were fairly straight.
He has a lot of zeal for himself but he doesn't create. He is not unsympathetic or emphatic enough for that.
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We should hold our own popularity contest! Maybe just something simple, comment your three characters and count manually?
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Also, for the ongoing discussion, here's the pages where Aizawa commented about Deku and Bakugo
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http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/121/3663/20-21.pngI interpreted it as him having high expectations on those two, and talking about how their personalities affect the class. While Bakugo is a jerk and Deku is still a bit of a nerd, they have a tendency to be very competitive, and always push forward no matter how bad the situation gets. I think that rubs off on the class.
And yes, the rivalry is a common trope. But just because something is a cliché it doesn't mean its bad. It's how the story utilizes that trope that makes it a success or a failure. I love Deku and Bakugo so for me this trope works wonder here. But if you don't like them, it's understandable that it comes off as tiresome.
Stain: Short and sweet
All Might: No worry cause here he is.
Acid girl: AKA Alien queen
I thought it was amusing that Aizawa said Bakugo wasn't one to draw attention to himself.