Chapter 737: "The Executive Tower"

Sereques

explain "merging his essence with the entire palace"

No where in the manga such thing was mentioned. What was said is "he can fuse with any stone he touches"

Pica assimilates with rock, so he becomes one with the rocks. The castle is made of rocks, so he becomes one with the castle.

He should be able to feel everything that goes on in the castle. He doesn't need to have ridiculous observation haki.

No, No and No. Again, the palace is not Pica. However, Pica can control the palace that is why he slammed the walls on Luffy and Zoro. If he could feel like you said, why did he appear before them to slam the walls? Why didn't he sit in his office and slam the hallway on them? He has to be there to do whatever he wants to do. There is no way he will be in Point A and attack opponent X and at the same time attack opponent Y at Point B just because both enemies are in the palace. That is not possible.

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This chapter was fantastic, mainly because of Sabo!

I really like his dragon claw technique, which definitely look like it was inspired by Dragon-style Kung Fu!

desa

@King:

How is Zoro going to keep the entire palace busy?

By attacking the core of the palace.

Angelos17

QUESTION: About Carvendish falling asleep and Hakuba taking over in his toy form; do we actually know if the toys are able to fall asleep? I don't remember any reference being made to the toys going to bed. They only return to the toy house at night (presumably to work).

http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/717/page/9

So, is it feasible to expect Hakuba at all?

desa

@NateRich:

So did Usopp at Water 7

He really didn't.

Mr0

@NateRich:

So did Usopp at Water 7

No, no he did not.

desa

@Angelos17:

QUESTION: About Carvendish falling asleep and Hakuba taking over in his toy form; do we actually know if the toys are able to fall asleep? I don't remember any reference being made to the toys going to bed. They only return to the toy house at night (presumably to work).

http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/717/page/9

So, is it feasible to expect Hakuba at all?

The dude manage to fell asleep in the middle of a battle royale. He'll find his way to dreamland.

Monquito

@desa:

By attacking the core of the palace.

Zoro and Kaku sliced Ennies Lobby, a palace?? Pffhh!!, easy trick.

NateRich

@desa:

He really didn't.

@Mr0:

No, no he did not.

Myu

About whether getting it won't be so easy for Sabo or anyone else on the Ring… Why is the conflicted meanings? Isn't there a word for subject in the raw?

Or the rough translation is something like: "Getting it won't be so easy" and it falls in our hands to interpret for whom?

desa

@Monquito:

Zoro and Kaku sliced Ennies Lobby, a palace?? Pffhh!!, easy trick.

Wasn't that only Kaku with his extrem giraffe legs?

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@NateRich:

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Ussop didn't give Luffy an hard time. As soon Luffy took things seiously Ussop got down super fast. And Ussop attacks only caused light damage if any.

Myu

@desa:

Wasn't that only Kaku with his extrem giraffe legs?

So what you're saying, in this forum, Arlong Park? Zoro can't cut the palace? Are you trying to sabotage the thread or something?

desa

@Myu:

So what you're saying, in this forum, Arlong Park? Zoro can't cut the palace? Are you trying to sabotage the thread or something?

Cut the wall? sure. But makes something like Kaku I doubt it. Kaku manage it thanks to excuting his cutting technique in a circular movement. and it's not like that would be useful. It's better to just create a path.

Monquito

@desa:

Cut the wall? sure. But makes something like Kaku I doubt it. Kaku manage it thanks to excuting his cutting technique in a circular movement. and it's not like that would be useful. It's better to just create a path.

But Zoro sliced the rocks at Alabasta while figthing Daz, after two years having beautiful dates with Mihawk in Paris I don't think Zoro should have any problem cutting the entire palace into little pieces.

EndGameRoach

@desa:

Wasn't that only Kaku with his extrem giraffe legs?

Right, a more appropriate reference would be what Zoro did to King Neptunes Ryuuguu Palace.

desa

@Monquito:

But Zoro sliced the rocks at Alabasta while figthing Daz, after two years having beautiful dates with Mihawk in Paris I don't think Zoro should have any problem cutting the entire palace into little pieces.

Weren't we talking about cutting the place in one movement like Kaku and Law did?

Haros

Pica getting bigger just makes it easier to attack him. Remember Vergo vs Smoker. From what i understand he makes the rocks part of his body so that gives more surface for attacks. Unless his df is similar to Magellans which i doubt from how it is shown in this chapter.

Monquito

@desa:

Weren't we talking about cutting the place in one movement like Kaku and Law did?

No, Pica should be totally sliced, With Law and Sabo we're totally forgetting about Zoro, he as own every single brick of the palace.

Thebomer93

@NateRich:

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You hard of reading they said he never came close to beating luffy. which is true he gave luffy a bit of trouble at best.

Razza

Next chapter… Zoro tears the place apart... But then Pica responds that his body only covers 4 or so yada yada's distance so he wasn't hit.

Also a revolutionary was in the Colloseum before Sabo?? nice.

desa

@Monquito:

No, Pica should be totally sliced, With Law and Sabo we're totally forgetting about Zoro, he as own every single brick of the palace.

If we are talking about slicing rocks, then yeah Zoro can do that.

EndGameRoach

@Razza:

Next chapter… Zoro tears the place apart... But then Pica responds that his body only covers 4 or so yada yada's distance so he wasn't hit.

That be cool to see, but it would be irresponsible to cut a palace that "belongs" to King ryku and his famliy, it would also endanger King Riku, law and Violet there (though he probably doesn't know King Rikus there)

warismydestiny

@EndGameRoach:

That be cool to see, but it would be irresponsible to cut a palace that "belongs" to King ryku and his famliy, it would also endanger King Riku, law and Violet there (though he probably doesn't know King Rikus there)

i dont think zoro gives a shit

maxpower69

Pica's COA might also make the palace harder to cut.

Sereques

@Razza:

Next chapter… Zoro tears the place apart... But then Pica responds that his body only covers 4 or so yada yada's distance so he wasn't hit.

Also a revolutionary was in the Colloseum before Sabo?? nice.

That won't happen, his body will be located easily thanks to CoO. This is no longer Paradise where the SHs do things on trial and error. Zoro won't be cutting brick walls indiscriminately and praying for luck.

EndGameRoach

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http://www.thegrandline.com/odatocLIVE.htm

Ussop

@A:

no I Also dont know why people consider her weak either shes not as strong as luffy, naturally but neither is Sanji….

Cause Sanji would get defeated while luffy eats? she's miles away from luffy, not the same can be said about sanji.

It just seems backwards. Ive never considered her weak…. you want weak, look at Usopp and buggy but this woman is a badass. I think she deserves more respect around here.

Buggy could win block D same way Rebecca won it, because of his DF.

Ordinary

@EndGameRoach:

I'm not sure if I can do this here, but I digress, check this link out. An archive of comments made by Oda on shonen jump in the past decade or so.

http://www.thegrandline.com/odatocLIVE.htm

Great link, thanks!

Smiley

Sugar fruit is really broken.

ARTEMlS

I'd dare to say her fruit is the most broken one of all the fruits introduced until now - considering one single touch can affect absolutely everyone who exists (or at least almost everyone).

HTC

@Bartholemew:

I'd dare to say her fruit is the most broken one of all the fruits introduced until now - considering one single touch can affect absolutely everyone who exists (or at least almost everyone).

Until we know more about it, i think it's premature to say that.

Law's fruit also seemed broken but we then learned it was tied with his stamina: perhaps something along those lines also affects Sugar's fruit.

TiAn

@HTC:

Until we know more about it, i think it's premature to say that.

Law's fruit also seemed broken but we then learned it was tied with his stamina: perhaps something along those lines also affects Sugar's fruit.

Yep, I'm kinda curious what are the drawbacks for Sugar's power. Also, maybe it isnt related with her fruit, it is interesting to know why she didnt age in all those years.

SantoryuUser7

@Marcoman:

If zoro has to find his body. It's all over.

I wish there was a like button.

HTC

@TiAn:

Yep, I'm kinda curious what are the drawbacks for Sugar's power. Also, maybe it isnt related with her fruit, it is interesting to know why she didnt age in all those years.

Not necessarily so: maybe she ages like everybody else but her body doesn't grow? Or something along those lines.

Maybe he got the idea from episode 575's Lily that, while being originally a giant, after eating the DF she became mini-Lily. Unlike other DFs, her "normal" pose is not her native body (giant) but that of a mini person.

I know it ain't cannon but Oda could have gotten the idea from that.

Just a thought.

EDIT

@Marcoman:

If zoro has to find his body. It's all over.

ROTFLOL

Nalkul

I have a few questions about sugars fruit
1. Can she change other fruit users? if so would they be able to use their fruit as a toy or would it be cancelled out

2. how has she not accidentally turned any dofla crew members into toys?

3. I get the hot sauce deal but couldn't they just like seastone handcuff her?

ARTEMlS

I think despite its brokenness the fruit has some major weaknesses nevertheless.

Aside from the effects being cancelled by becoming unconscious it is a very crucial weakness that the oblivion only effects the mind of people, but not the environment.

Therefore, if you transform some nobody, just no one will care. But if you for example transform one or more people affiliated to a Yonko, you might be in really serious trouble if the Yonko actually meticulously keeps an account on his/her troop movements. If the fruit is described on detail in some of the books, the Yonko might even deduce what happened and prepare an appropriate counter measure.

Besides, it may not be that useful in direct confrontations against opponents who are long-range fighters.

Marcoman

@Bartholemew:

I think despite its brokenness the fruit has some major weaknesses nevertheless.

Aside from the effects being cancelled by becoming unconscious it is a very crucial weakness that the oblivion only effects the mind of people, but not the environment.

Therefore, if you transform some nobody, just no one will care. But if you for example transform one or more people affiliated to a Yonko, you might be in really serious trouble if the Yonko actually meticulously keeps an account on his/her troop movements. If the fruit is described on detail in some of the books, the Yonko might even deduce what happened and prepare an appropriate counter measure.

This is possible but Bastille has had a record of the "criminals" in the colloseum. He had no idea in who they were when turned into toys. It would take a lot of brain to figure out something that's never existed in your mind. Unless you have Trebols knowledge. He had forgotten about cavendish but knew why he had.

kouch_lee

@Bond:

Did anyone else notice that in the cover page, the sake bottles that Zoro and boss monkey are drinking have Zoro's attack names plastered on them?
Zoro is drinking Sanzen Sekai.

You know, that's a pretty damn great observation!

Could you name the attacks that are on these bottles?

fakescorpion

I'm a little disappointed that the Cavendish toy didn't have a theater tragedy mask…

Razh

@Nalkul:

3. I get the hot sauce deal but couldn't they just like seastone handcuff her?

Or just kill her?

There's a certain person there who could snap Sugar's neck without too much trouble.

ARTEMlS

@Marcoman:

This is possible but Bastille has had a record of the "criminals" in the colloseum. He had no idea in who they were when turned into toys. It would take a lot of brain to figure out something that's never existed in your mind. Unless you have Trebols knowledge. He had forgotten about cavendish but knew why he had.

It all depends on the richness of detail of the available information - and in the particular case Bastille only had very basic information.

However, I think that every Yonko crew (aside from maybe the Blackbird crew) has someone who is decently smart. If this person actually keeps track of everyone's whereabouts or if there are some nicely decorated, but apparently completely unused rooms with at least one diary lying around and the last entry is something about Dressrosa, this smart person would realize that he/she stumbled over some inconsistencies here.

Therefore, it might be a good idea to check some DF encyclopedia in order to find some fruits which could actually explain it. And assuming the Hobi Hobi no Mi is detailed enough described, it shouldn't be too farfetched to deduce that it might be at least a possibility that someone on Dressrosa has used the Hobi Hobi no Mi on someone of their crew.

Saturnchild

@Bartholemew:

I'd dare to say her fruit is the most broken one of all the fruits introduced until now - considering one single touch can affect absolutely everyone who exists (or at least almost everyone).

Yeah but let's not forget that the action is immediately reversed when she loses consciousness. I am guessing Dofla found a way to keep her permanently awake. Without it she is isn't that powerful

soul_king_brook

@Saturnchild:

Yeah but let's not forget that the action is immediately reversed when she loses consciousness. I am guessing Dofla found a way to keep her permanently awake. Without it she is isn't that powerful

Losing your consciousness and sleeping are not the same thing.

FranzLome

@Sereques:

No, No and No. Again, the palace is not Pica. However, Pica can control the palace that is why he slammed the walls on Luffy and Zoro. If he could feel like you said, why did he appear before them to slam the walls? Why didn't he sit in his office and slam the hallway on them? He has to be there to do whatever he wants to do. There is no way he will be in Point A and attack opponent X and at the same time attack opponent Y at Point B just because both enemies are in the palace. That is not possible.

You're misunderstanding me. We're actually arguing similar things. Pica is physically one with the rocks in the castle, that's why we can appear in the rocks and manipulate the rocks of the castle walls as extensions of his body. He is, in effect, controlling the entire castle, but only because it is made of the rocks that he's assimilated with. He can feel what's going on in the castle as much as you can feel things on your body. HOWEVER, just because he can feel something touching him, it doesn't mean he knows WHO or WHAT is touching him. That's why he has to physically manifest himself. He knew to attack Luffy and Zoro, because he learned of intruders in that area (Luffy punching the entrance). Furthermore he can't manifest in opposite sides of the castle at the same time because he's only one being.

Basically, I'm saying he merges, feels what the castle feels, and manifests himself in the rocks. I'm not saying that Pica himself is stationary and controls the castle like he's in a control center.

It's way more logical for him to feel and react to identified entities than it would be for him to sense everything and be able to distinguish who everyone is through Haki Magic. If he had that kind of Haki Magic, the palace wouldn't need ANY guards besides him.

Razh

@soul_king_brook:

Losing your consciousness and sleeping are not the same thing.

And yet you lose consciousness in deep sleep.

Don't really buy this "knocking out Sugar" plan. Dwarves and Soldier are so convinced it will work that I can't not think the plan won't work the way it should have.

Medical Orbit

So Blackbeard has 10 "Titan" captains…I wonder if that includes Blackbeard himself. If not, that means either A) Blackbeard got a new crewmate or B) Doc Q's horse is a captain XD

RobZilla

@Medical:

So Blackbeard has 10 "Titan" captains…I wonder if that includes Blackbeard himself. If not, that means either A) Blackbeard got a new crewmate or B) Doc Q's horse is a captain XD

I think "Titan Captain" is just a fancy synonym for commander, so not including BB.

I'd say B is most likely, Doc Q + Stronger are a package deal.

Rosebullet Teacher

I think Trebol brings out the best in Sugar, his stickiness makes it impossible to run away when you realise your bodies changed.

Razh

@Medical:

So Blackbeard has 10 "Titan" captains…I wonder if that includes Blackbeard himself. If not, that means either A) Blackbeard got a new crewmate or B) Doc Q's horse is a captain XD

There's one new crewmate we heard about. A guy named Aokiji.

During the conversation, Blackbeard compared Aokiji to Shiryuu, who was also part of marines. We can safely assume Shiryuu is one of those 10 captains. So, comparing Aokiji to Shiryuu should be an obvious hint.

My only problem is the fact Aokiji joined Blackbeard shouldn't be so wide spread but maybe the fact BB has 10 captains is more known than that Aokiji is one of them. Dofla did say he has heard some nasty rumors. And ultimately, I don't see Aokiji joining BB as anything else than a member equal to his other starting crewmen.

DynamiteShikoku

makes me wonder, how much do civillians know about pirates? do people know who is a part of which crew, etc. or when say they see sanji/franky/brook, will they know who they are?