Caime and Papagu in Chapter 195(Cover)
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This not really foreshadowing a more of intro of new characters
Caime and Papagu in Chapter 195(Cover)
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This not really foreshadowing a more of intro of new characters
Probably just a fashion stuff from Oda, since then, someone found out the same thing on Blueno:
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6441/brazaleteq.jpgBut who knows…
I like to believe that this is something more important, when you think about what they can do it is entirely possible for them to be some sort of secret group, who carry World Government mission.
Doflamingo can control a person with his strings.
Bluno can appear anywhere.
Mihawk…
I like to believe that this is something more important, when you think about what they can do it is entirely possible for them to be some sort of secret group, who carry World Government mission.
Doflamingo can control a person with his strings.
Bluno can appear anywhere.
Mihawk…
Maybe it is a agilely and lovingly crafted gift from a wonderful ex-girlfriend : Hina :ninja:
If we look at all of them, Hina can really have bean with all of them since thay are all in some way or another are related to the Navy / WG.
! {if i'm guessing this correctly I'm going to cosplay as Hina and possibly upload a picture so yeah…}
it hasnt happened yet but i think the first pannel is foreshadowing for the reason kuma agreed to become a human weapon and possibly for the reason sabo wasnt at the marineford war
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it hasnt happened yet but i think the first pannel is foreshadowing for the reason kuma agreed to become a human weapon and possibly for the reason sabo wasnt at the marineford war
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I don't get it…
Did you choose the wrong page by any chance?
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I don't get it…
Did you choose the wrong page by any chance?
nope everybody thought robin was thinking of alabasta but i think maybe robins making a connection between violet working for doflamingo to save her father and kuma sacrificing himself to save a friend/ally that was captured by the world government
… I'm not going to pretend I understood that.
Robin was just saying she wouldn't forgive Doflamingo after the flashback.
! Also, that's the second panel, not the first.
! Also, that's the second panel, not the first.
Wow, this poor bastard went 737 chapters without realizing the panels are arranged right to left.
Wow, this poor bastard went 737 chapters without realizing the panels are arranged right to left.
Maybe OP in the country he's from comes with its pages mirrored, as it used to happen in the US as well in the 90s. And maybe he just took the first online version of the page he wanted us to have a look at without checking it out.
/OT
I was just re-reading Arlong's arc and I think I found something lol. Can't actually put a pic here in the office (or open some links but here is one) - chapter 94, page 16 on this.
http://www.mangabird.com/one-piece-94?page=15
Obviously people know that this is the foreshadowing for Brook (Luffy wanting a musician in the crew), but Usopp talking about Zoro's wounds needs 2 years to fully heal, can it be a foreshadowing of the timeskip? heh, sorry if it's mentioned earlier or whatever.
edit: this comes into thinking that Zoro's wound from Mihawk did not fully heal until Shabondy Arc.
@Uncanny:
I was just re-reading Arlong's arc and I think I found something lol. Can't actually put a pic here in the office (or open some links but here is one) - chapter 94, page 16 on this.
http://www.mangabird.com/one-piece-94?page=15
Obviously people know that this is the foreshadowing for Brook (Luffy wanting a musician in the crew), but Usopp talking about Zoro's wounds needs 2 years to fully heal, can it be a foreshadowing of the timeskip? heh, sorry if it's mentioned earlier or whatever.
Don't think this can be called foreshadowing, Luffy has wanted a musician since the start and it has been a constant gag thru the series. On the next chapter however one of the villagers call Nami by her future epithet.
Anybody else think Luffy will eventually get his bronze statue?
Anybody else think Luffy will eventually get his bronze statue?
I still think they are going to steal that Kyros statue.
@Monkey:
Why do people keep using this example. It's not foreshadowing, it's completely misunderstanding either use of the word paradise.
Here this is the first time Oda is showing a different perspective of the Grand Line. Every other time it's mentioned in East Blue it's as this horrifying place where pirates die.
Oda then introduces the idea for the first time that for brave people like Zeff and Luffy, instead of horror it's a chance at great adventures. The paradise of someone like Luffy.Later on, way later on. We are told that the informal name of the first half of the Grand Line is "Paradise". Why? Because in comparison to the New World it's so much less dangerous, that's the explanation given. It's a nickname based on how horrible the New World is. So it's a completely different use of the term here. It's hyping up New World as even crazier.
So when character A says that Grand Line is called "paradise", and character B later calls it "paradise", these two instances can't possibly have a connection of any kind?
Of course! It makes total sense! We're so lucky to have you guide us Zeppy!
@Light:
So when character A says that Grand Line is called "paradise", and character B later calls it "paradise", these two instances can't possibly have a connection of any kind?
Of course! It makes total sense! We're so lucky to have you guide us Zeppy!
Haha, context!! Haha, what even IS that.
@Monkey:
Haha, context!! Haha, what even IS that.
Context? it's too hard to digested in here…
teh thing say teh other thing, is teh same duhhhh???
WORD IS WORD???
If Zeff had told Luffy "The first half of the grandline is often refered to as Paradise" or something along those lines, it would have been a different scenario. I gotta agree with MK on this one, the term "Grand Line" refers to both the First Half ("Paradise") AND The New World, wich people often seem to often forget. I think Zeff was refering to both, and how the Grand Line is a "Paradise" for those who seek great adventures.
If Zeff had told Luffy "The first half of the grandline is often refered to as Paradise" or something along those lines, it would have been a different scenario. I gotta agree with MK on this one, the term "Grand Line" refers to both the First Half ("Paradise") AND The New World, wich people often seem to often forget. I think Zeff was referring to both, and how the Grand Line is a "Paradise" for those who seek great adventures.
That might make most sense. I just can't see how it wasn't referring to Zeff's earlier words. The connection is just too obvious!
Cool, maybe it (those bracelets) is another fashion empire like Cri-min of bracelets in the new world. :ninja:
This bracelet Thing is kinda interesting, though it might be really just a Fashion thing. Just like those certain glasses some chars are wearing (Sarkis, Ikaros Muhi, Kiwi/Mozu and Shaluria Guu, each in different colour).
This bracelet Thing is kinda interesting, though it might be really just a Fashion thing. Just like those certain glasses some chars are wearing (Sarkis, Ikaros Muhi, Kiwi/Mozu and Shaluria Guu, each in different colour).
That's what I've thought. After all, to me it reminds me of those 'jelly bracelets' that were so popular with the youth (least here in USA) a few years ago. I've seen so many 12-15 yr olds wearing them the older girls liked to take two of them and twist them so the looked like a X on the wrist … exactly like those guys were wearing.
That is why I never bought into the "they are wearing same odd bracelets! it must mean something!" theory.
I am not sure if it has been brought (or answered) before but…
In chapter 594 (episode 511, pre-timeskip), we see a brief scene with Capone Bege and his crew witnessing their ship being pulled up towards a giant black rock/ball/meteor-type thingy coming down from the sky. I don't think (I might be forgetting something, if it was explained) it has been explained yet.
idk if I'm looking too much into it but it reminded me of Fujitora's powers. So, I think it might be him doing it.
We still don't fully know what Fujitora can do with his powers. So, yeah…
That's what I've thought. After all, to me it reminds me of those 'jelly bracelets' that were so popular with the youth (least here in USA) a few years ago. I've seen so many 12-15 yr olds wearing them the older girls liked to take two of them and twist them so the looked like a X on the wrist … exactly like those guys were wearing.
That is why I never bought into the "they are wearing same odd bracelets! it must mean something!" theory.
Not only that, but on one colourspread Zoro wears a similar bracelet (Looks like 1 and a half or 2 of those bracelets. It's the colourspread where the 5 SHs sit on a ice-bear who got sth written on his face by Nami's lipstick). The biggest foreshadowing is still upon us: WB's last words about the events that will happen when a D. finally finds OP. Another big ?-mark is Enel's coverstory. Will Enel's next appearance onscreen unfold the history and purpose of the skyfolk? And what if Urouge is BB's 10th member (if it isn't Stronger?). He was pretty fascinated by BB after the war. I can't neither imagine Kuzan nor Stronger as one of BB's captains.
I am not sure if it has been brought (or answered) before but…
In chapter 594 (episode 511, pre-timeskip), we see a brief scene with Capone Bege and his crew witnessing their ship being pulled up towards a giant black rock/ball/meteor-type thingy coming down from the sky. I don't think (I might be forgetting something, if it was explained) it has been explained yet.idk if I'm looking too much into it but it reminded me of Fujitora's powers. So, I think it might be him doing it.
We still don't fully know what Fujitora can do with his powers. So, yeah…
http://i.imgur.com/NyvUp7K.png
The rocks look like thrusters. Enel?
@Light:
That might make most sense. I just can't see how it wasn't referring to Zeff's earlier words. The connection is just too obvious!
Yeah in a world where sentences don't exist, just words that exist in voids entirely independent of each-other.
Even more so when its translated words that are supposed to be lining up!
Not everything is Blackbeard saying "ambition" with a very specific spelling in volume 25 in a way it naturally blends into the sentence that later turns out to be "haki".
I am not sure if it has been brought (or answered) before but…
In chapter 594 (episode 511, pre-timeskip), we see a brief scene with Capone Bege and his crew witnessing their ship being pulled up towards a giant black rock/ball/meteor-type thingy coming down from the sky. I don't think (I might be forgetting something, if it was explained) it has been explained yet.idk if I'm looking too much into it but it reminded me of Fujitora's powers. So, I think it might be him doing it.
We still don't fully know what Fujitora can do with his powers. So, yeah…
http://i.imgur.com/NyvUp7K.png
Some people think that-that is one of the OP world's moons. The idea is that it gets too close to the earth during it rotation around the OP planet and that it does so right over the new world. If you look at the globe of the OP world in Robin's flashback you will see that one of it's six moons gets rather close to the planet.
I doubt it though. Its probably just some crazy island.
@RobbyBevard:
Even more so when its translated words that are supposed to be lining up!
Not everything is Blackbeard saying "Haki" with a very specific spelling in volume 25.
Soooo in the original version, the "paradise" Zeff mentioned wasn't the same "paradise" those pirates did?
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The only lie left to be fulfilled is the one about the alien bar owner. Does this mean that we will fly to the moon? Or another place where those rabbit aliens gather?
@RobbyBevard:
Even more so when its translated words that are supposed to be lining up!
Not everything is Blackbeard saying "ambition" with a very specific spelling in volume 25 in a way it naturally blends into the sentence that later turns out to be "haki".
I've been looking for it on Jaya but i can't seem to find it, which translation would be the ideal for that volume? thanks in advance.
! ![](http://kirk-op.jalbum.net/One_Piece/Miscellaneous/Things you noticed/index.html#Usopp lies.jpg)
The only lie left to be fulfilled is the one about the alien bar owner. Does this mean that we will fly to the moon? Or another place where those rabbit aliens gather?
Actually I'm waiting to find out that Usopp did indeed go sailing when he was child and fight someone/something from South Blue.
This desire comes from the part where he says he sailed when he was 5 and fought the southern giant goldfish.
The giant goldfish came true, so now waiting on the rest of it
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That pic didn't show for me but was able to get its properties and find site. so thanks in a lop-sided way for the link
Looking through the "things you noticed", I see one that I didn't rememeber.
Waaaay back in East Blue saga, Coby wanted to join the marines, there was one soldier that protested, saying they needed to do a background check first, as there been cases of pirates joining the marines to be spies. Seems nothing important, just general common sense … until Punk Hazard and Vergo's revelation to be a spy for Doffy
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I noticed Sugars weird left eye monocle, I had seen it earlier on the Supernovas Post Time-skip image on X Drake. Probably nothing big but it stuck out to me.
Actually I'm waiting to find out that Usopp did indeed go sailing when he was child and fight someone/something from South Blue.
This desire comes from the part where he says he sailed when he was 5 and fought the southern giant goldfish.
The giant goldfish came true, so now waiting on the rest of itEDIT=
That pic didn't show for me but was able to get its properties and find site. so thanks in a lop-sided way for the link[/hide]
Thank you for pointing out :). Repaired.
@Light:
That might make most sense. I just can't see how it wasn't referring to Zeff's earlier words. The connection is just too obvious!
The problem with that is it's not really foreshadowing, but more of a reference.
You could certainly draw the conclusion that Zeff's words were meant to foreshadow that there's even more danger beyond the early part of the Grand Line, but I'd agree that it wasn't the intention of its inclusion.
The problem with that is it's not really foreshadowing, but more of a reference.
You could certainly draw the conclusion that Zeff's words were meant to foreshadow that there's even more danger beyond the early part of the Grand Line, but I'd agree that it wasn't the intention of its inclusion.
Either way we never actually hear the exact conversation they have. Zeff might have said something like "First half of Grand Line is called "Paradise" because it is less dangerous than the other part." But Luffy, being Luffy, just hears "Blah blah Grand Line blah blah paradise blah blah meat cookies." Either way, since he never mentioned anything about New World, (since Luffy finds out about it from Coby) he might have never heard about it either, (tough he seems smart enough to research these things) or didn't mention it to Luffy.
@Light:
Either way we never actually hear the exact conversation they have. Zeff might have said something like "First half of Grand Line is called "Paradise" because it is less dangerous than the other part." But Luffy, being Luffy, just hears "Blah blah Grand Line blah blah paradise blah blah meat cookies."
Luffy doesn't say anything about the first half, he's talking about the whole Grand Line.
Either way, since he never mentioned anything about New World, (since Luffy finds out about it from Coby) he might have never heard about it either,
It's basic geographic knowledge. Why the heck wouldn't Zeff know about it.
It's like someone not knowing about South America.
The ignorance of the main crew toward such things is part gag, part story tool, all abnormal.
or didn't mention it to Luffy.
Nothing suggests he mentioned parts or halves.
@Monkey:
Luffy doesn't say anything about the first half, he's talking about the whole Grand Line.
Like I said, he might have misunderstood it.
It's basic geographic knowledge. Why the heck wouldn't Zeff know about it.
It's like someone not knowing about South America.
The ignorance of the main crew toward such things is part gag, part story tool, all abnormal.
And I said he should be smart enough to know about it! If you're gonna argue, don't cut my quotes for your convenience Zeppy. :getlost:
Nothing suggests he mentioned parts or halves.
Nothing suggests the other way around! We don't know anything what Zeff said about Grand Line except that it's called "Paradise" and later some other pirate calls the first half of it "Paradise" (tough still I'd love to know if it was same in the original.)
Anyway looks like we're at stalemate again. If you have something else to say, go ahead. But otherwise I'm out.
@Light:
Like I said, he might have misunderstood it.
One Piece isn't an unscripted reality show, if Luffy is misunderstanding something it has to have a purpose, the lines themselves had to have a purpose whether he did or not. Tiny as a bug or massive, all lines serve a purpose.
The obvious purpose of that is to present a different sort of hype for the Grand Line than what we'd been hearing the entire series up to that point, particularly after a storyline whose whole plot involved a supposed badass pirate coming back from it defeated and crushed.
It was one of the main themes in the end of Baratie. The difference between flashy seemingly worthy pretenders like Krieg, and the real deal people like Luffy who have the right stuff. Like all of Zeff and Sanji's dialogue during Luffy's fight with Krieg is about that. And then after the arc we have Luffy telling Sanji and Yosaku some pearl of wisdom Zeff told him that frames the Grand Line as something that people like Krieg and his men would never understand.
But ok, just to make your point maybe Oda had Luffy misunderstand something for no reason. Yeah that's how it works.
And I said he should be smart enough to know about it! If you're gonna argue, don't cut my quotes for your convenience Zeppy. :getlost:
It's not a matter of smart. It's just basic knowledge.
@Monkey:
One Piece isn't an unscripted reality show, if Luffy is misunderstanding something it has to have a purpose, the lines themselves had to have a purpose whether he did or not. Tiny as a bug or massive, all lines serve a purpose.
The obvious purpose of that is to present a different sort of hype for the Grand Line than what we'd been hearing the entire series up to that point, particularly after a storyline whose whole plot involved a supposed badass pirate coming back from it defeated and crushed.
It was one of the main themes in the end of Baratie. The difference between flashy seemingly worthy pretenders like Krieg, and the real deal people like Luffy who have the right stuff. Like all of Zeff and Sanji's dialogue during Luffy's fight with Krieg is about that. And then after the arc we have Luffy telling Sanji and Yosaku some pearl of wisdom Zeff told him that frames the Grand Line as something that people like Krieg and his men would never understand.But ok, just to make your point maybe Oda had Luffy misunderstand something for no reason. Yeah that's how it works.
I admit, it probably was the purpose at the time. To make Grand Line seem like a paradise for adventurers like Luffy, but it also ended up having a double-meaning to hype up New World. That would be a good reason for slight misunderstanding, don'tchu think?
And we still don't know how exactly it went down.
It's not a matter of smart. It's just basic knowledge.
And you conveniently left out the part where I said it should be the case. Maybe it was silly to question Zeff's experience, but cutting your opponents argument… well you should be better than that.
@Light:
I admit, it probably was the purpose at the time. To make Grand Line seem like a paradise for adventurers like Luffy, but it also ended up having a double-meaning to hype up New World.
Tell me why they call the first half of the Grand Line Paradise. Because I don't think you know.
http://image.mangabird.info/sites/default/files/manga/2/18/20130914070703880.jpg
Nami being called a "thieving cat" by the villagers of Cocoyashi (Arlong arc) way before Enies Lobby. Obvious foreshadowing of her criminal epithet, same way Luffy's being called "straw hat" before his first bounty.
@Monkey:
Tell me why they call the first half of the Grand Line Paradise. Because I don't think you know.
At this point, I hardly care what you think…
There's a lot of information in this image!
The bones which are the main entrance of Grand line from the four Seas.
The ropes which is the Travel of the mugiwaras.
Of course the main part is GrandLine with New World separated by Red Mountain (Luffy)
The blue lines up and down are calm belt
The "E" letter which is a Anchor means the End of the travel!
@Light:
At this point, I hardly care what you think…
MK is making a good point though.
There's a pretty big distinction between how the word "paradise" is being used in each of these cases: In Zeff's case, he is telling Luffy that, for the brave and adventurous, the entire GL is not so scary as it is just pure awesome. In the case where the NW is being hyped, we have pirates who are escaping the scary sea and calling the not so scary one a nice place to be. In a way, they are using the opposite definition for paradise, acting more like Krieg characters than Zeff characters if you catch my drift.
The first half of the Grand Line is called Paradise because it's nothing in comparison with the second half. The Yonkous don't have territory in the first half and it's more of a place where they (other pirates) weed out the weak. The Worst Generation only had 9 pirate crews coming to the second half compared to the amount of pirate crews that started out on the Grand Line.
MK is making a good point though.
There's a pretty big distinction between how the word "paradise" is being used in each of these cases: In Zeff's case, he is telling Luffy that, for the brave and adventurous, the entire GL is not so scary as it is just pure awesome. In the case where the NW is being hyped, we have pirates who are escaping the scary sea and calling the not so scary one a nice place to be. In a way, they are using the opposite definition for paradise, acting more like Krieg characters than Zeff characters if you catch my drift.
I didn't deny that the context was different. But we only hear what he said indirectly, so it leaves a little bit up to interpretation. Besides, like Dollar said, he might have very well meant both. Maybe when he said to Luffy that Grand Line is called "Paradise", he was talking about how it's considered much less dangerous that the New World. But he also knew that for Luffy, Grand Line was "Paradise" for totally different reason.
^ But, by Occam's razor, we should not suspect that Oda was trying to say any more than what he literally inked on the paper. Like MK said, it's not some reality show where there actually was a conversation that we as an audience didn't hear.
I think you may be reading too much into Zeff's comment. It seems like you want it to be foreshadowing, when there really is no reason (by the razor) to suspect that it is.
I found some more. Nami's boob size Blackbeard becoming one of the Yonko
This one will propably be nothing, but I just can't get over what Iceburg says on the first panel:
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/05/05/o/read4dc2d9827244e/ONE-PIECE_341-18.png
I have good feeling these will eventually happen(last panels):
http://i33.mangareader.net/one-piece/440/one-piece-1693454.jpg http://i15.mangareader.net/one-piece/458/one-piece-63935.jpg
^ But, by Occam's razor, we should not suspect that Oda was trying to say any more than what was obvious. Like MK said, it's not some reality show where there actually was a conversation that we as an audience didn't hear.
I think you may be reading too much into Zeff's comment. It seems like you want it to be foreshadowing, when there really is no reason (by the razor) to suspect that it is.
Whatever. I haven't still changed my mind but I'm tired of arguing, so take what you will.
@Light:
I didn't deny that the context was different. But we only hear what he said indirectly, so it leaves a little bit up to interpretation. Besides, like Dollar said, he might have very well meant both. Maybe when he said to Luffy that Grand Line is called "Paradise", he was talking about how it's considered much less dangerous that the New World. But he also knew that for Luffy, Grand Line was "Paradise" for totally different reason.
I support this foreshadowing !