Chapter 728: "Number of Tragedies"
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I think crocodile was 100% connected with the revolution army.
He knew Iva
He hates Marines/WG
He know about plutonToo obivious but I could be wrong
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Wow, its only Saturday and thread already derailed so much I've gotten the impression of not seeing talk about the chapter for several pages. It seems the talks are about combatants that appeared years and years ago. I must of have missed it -didn't see it in last two pages I checked- just how did the discussion end up on Lucci, Jabra & Kaku?
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Wow, its only Saturday and thread already derailed so much I've gotten the impression of not seeing talk about the chapter for several pages. It seems the talks are about combatants that appeared years and years ago. I must of have missed it -didn't see it in last two pages I checked- just how did the discussion end up on Lucci, Jabra & Kaku?
There isnt enough content in a 16 page chapter to handle a 7 day discussion. After we are done discussing the chapter, this thread derails into the "General OnePiece Manga Thread"
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There isnt enough content in a 16 page chapter to handle a 7 day discussion. After we are done discussing the chapter, this thread derails into the "General OnePiece Manga Thread"
Ah that's just it, this didn't even last 3 days! …least that's the impression I've gotten...
I've been here for some time and its usually about 4-5 days after the chapter out it derails. Yes it often gets off-topic in the first few days but gets back to topic shortly so its not really a derailment.
I've gotten the impression that this thread derailed shortly after 24 hrs. Sure today's sat, and chapter came out Wed. but it seems this thread derailed by end of Thursday. That's early
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Great chapter :D
Nice that we are able to see what Pica looks like,Robin's Face Fault was hilarious XD
Seeing that the Eyepatch Little Girl hasn't age either Bonney use her Age on Eyepatch girl or possibly shes from a island where kids don't grow up or a side effect for anyone using the Toy Toy Fruit(If she is the Toy Devil Fruit User) -
Ah that's just it, this didn't even last 3 days! …least that's the impression I've gotten...
I've been here for some time and its usually about 4-5 days after the chapter out it derails. Yes it often gets off-topic in the first few days but gets back to topic shortly so its not really a derailment.
I've gotten the impression that this thread derailed shortly after 24 hrs. Sure today's sat, and chapter came out Wed. but it seems this thread derailed by end of Thursday. That's early
I think I cause a lot of derailments haha :p
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I wish Dofla would roll up his sleeves so we could egg a glance at his X bracelet. They need to explain that stuff soon!!!
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It's so unRobin like, it destroyed her whole characterization so far or something like that.
I really don't understand.. what do people want from Robin exactly? When she is her quiet composed self people say that she is lame and her character is dead, and when THIS happened everyone is complaining that she shouldn't have face faulted with the others because its out of character for her.
Like seriously, what is she supposed to do exactly for you guys to be satisfied?
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I'd like to believe it's character development. Getting more and more in tune with the others on the crew. In a life where she wasn't able to trust anyone and was prosecuted, this facefaut seems like a big deal, trusting people so much that she takes over some of their character traits while remaining her reserved and mysterious self. I always felt Robin really didn't develop much after Enies Lobby.
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@NER:
I really don't understand.. what do people want from Robin exactly? When she is her quiet composed self people say that she is lame and her character is dead, and when THIS happened everyone is complaining that she shouldn't have face faulted with the others because its out of character for her.
Like seriously, what is she supposed to do exactly for you guys to be satisfied?
Dunno stay two dimensional with either ignoring boy stuff like every other female character or deliver some cruel jokes while thinking about cute things? Sad indeed.
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@NER:
I really don't understand.. what do people want from Robin exactly? When she is her quiet composed self people say that she is lame and her character is dead, and when THIS happened everyone is complaining that she shouldn't have face faulted with the others because its out of character for her.
Like seriously, what is she supposed to do exactly for you guys to be satisfied?
Stay in-character when she gets whatever little interaction with the other crew members that Oda gracefully allows her to have. The face-fault wasn't bad because it "destroyed Robin's character" or some nonsense like that, but the way it was used was abysmal and honestly quite dumb.
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@Toraish:
Stay in-character when she gets whatever little interaction with the other crew members that Oda gracefully allows her to have. The face-fault wasn't bad because it "destroyed Robin's character" or some nonsense like that, but the way it was used was abysmal and honestly quite dumb.
What's up with you? You literally find the smallest details of a chapter and you whine and complain about it making it bigger than it really is every single week.
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What's up with you? You literally find the smallest details of a chapter and you whine and complain about it making it bigger than it really is every single week.
I hate Dressrosa.
And honestly, it's not just that. I keep seeing these lazy and simplified small things that were not there before and that are making the series so much less enjoyable overall that I can't just let it slide. Especially since we're all gathered on a forum whose main function is to discuss those vague feelings rising from each chapter.
It's very possible that I'm only overly critical and petulant about it, and if that is so, I would like nothing more than to be shown that so I could maybe cast aside my concerns and go back to enjoying something that I once loved a lot. At its finest, critical discussion can be very educational and worthwhile.
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Than it's Dressrosa and not Robin you should direct your hate towards.
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@Toraish:
I hate Dressrosa.
I've literally seen you complain about everything, even things that aren't from Dressrosa. Maybe you should take a long break. You seem to be nitpicking just to be doing it. If you don't like something then don't waste your time reading it or waste even more time debating with people about how you dislike it. Just wait till the next arc.
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Than it's Dressrosa and not Robin you should direct your hate towards.
It's Oda and his writing, not either one of those two. I'm not hating on Robin, I'm annoyed at how Oda has started to treat his characters.
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I've literally seen you complain about everything, even things that aren't from Dressrosa. Maybe you should take a long break. You seem to be nitpicking just to be doing it. If you don't like something then don't waste your time reading it or waste even more time debating with people about how you dislike it. Just wait till the next arc.
Whining is fun, though.
Nah, it's really more about having something to think about. One Piece still has elements that make it one of the best shonen works out there and I still very much enjoy reading it for those few world building related things, but there's just so much about it that leaves me feeling like it could have been implemented better that I can't help but feel sad and frustrated when reading it. It's nowhere near the point of getting dropped.
And as I said, forum discussions are a good way of getting some of that out. It's people's own business if they decide to get upset over something someone else says when it's not directly targeted at them. I'm always open for discussion and debate. If there's something other wrong with what I'm saying than "stop being so negative" (which I get a lot everywhere I go, but that I don't particularly view as being problematic cause it's rarely me who has a real issue with anything), I do want to fix that.
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I've literally seen you complain about everything, even things that aren't from Dressrosa. Maybe you should take a long break. You seem to be nitpicking just to be doing it. If you don't like something then don't waste your time reading it or waste even more time debating with people about how you dislike it. Just wait till the next arc.
If we all liked and had the same opinion on things this forum would be a waste of time.
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@Toraish:
I hate Dressrosa.
And honestly, it's not just that. I keep seeing these lazy and simplified small things that were not there before and that are making the series so much less enjoyable overall that I can't just let it slide. Especially since we're all gathered on a forum whose main function is to discuss those vague feelings rising from each chapter.
It's very possible that I'm only overly critical and petulant about it, and if that is so, I would like nothing more than to be shown that so I could maybe cast aside my concerns and go back to enjoying something that I once loved a lot. At its finest, critical discussion can be very educational and worthwhile.
What would be those lazy and simplified small things you speak of, aside from Violet's ability and Robin's reaction (I'm aware of those, but it seems those aren't the only ones)?
I also have some nitpicks of my own, and I would like to compare.
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What would be those lazy and simplified small things you speak of, aside from Violet's ability and Robin's reaction (I'm aware of those, but it seems those aren't the only ones)?
I'll get to it tomorrow, don't worry. It sucks that I've been out of town for the past couple of days and that I now have no time to talk about it in length, but I promised to write a lengthier post on the subject at some poin__t and I'll hold on to that promise. Please bear with me, I don't want to just whine and offer no real substance to back it up. e_e
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@Toraish:
I'll get to it tomorrow, don't worry. It sucks that I've been out of town for the past couple of days and that I now have no time to talk about it in length, but I promised to write a lengthier post on the subject at some poin__t and I'll hold on to that promise. Please bear with me, I don't want to just whine and offer no real substance to back it up. e_e
Can you at least write a sneak peek of it, it won't take more than 5 minutes to do it that's for sure
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@kuma:
If we all liked and had the same opinion on things this forum would be a waste of time.
It's not about the difference of opinion. All I wanted to know was why every tiny detail was being nitpicked at and why he hates it so much.
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@Toraish:
I'll get to it tomorrow, don't worry. It sucks that I've been out of town for the past couple of days and that I now have no time to talk about it in length, but I promised to write a lengthier post on the subject at some poin__t and I'll hold on to that promise. Please bear with me, I don't want to just whine and offer no real substance to back it up. e_e
What were your thoughts on Fishman Island and Punk Hazard? Dressrosa has some issues for sure but it's been leagues better than the last two arcs. Dressrosa makes me relieved that Oda hasn't forgotten the adventure aspect of his story.
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As it stands, we have about 5 more chapters before the holiday break. should be some interesting developments hopefully.
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@Panda:
Whyyy would you remind me that this is a thing, so early?
preparation my good friend, preparation
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Could you (or anyone) please expand a bit on this topic? I know that Oda is being forced sometimes to a break but that's about it. I'd really like to know some more on this and how and when it has changed.
Oda was hospitalized earlier this year, and since then the magazine has reduced his regular schedule from 4 chapters a month to 3.
He's an older man than he used to be and wasn't getting enough sleep and was never going home and was making movies on the side and was surely feeling a ton of pressure, so…
They've relaxed his deadlines just a bit, or are forcing him to take weeks off, or... something. If that means he just takes weeks off to relax now, or if his schedule is a chapter every 10 days instead of every 7, I don't know. But they're forcing him to take it easier.
How does an x-ray fruit allow you to cry giant whales?
Oda can make an excuse if he wants too.it's a Japanese pun.
Mekujira is a Japanese term meaning "glaring", but it's also written as "me" (eyes) and "kujira" (whales).Hence, eye-whales.
It obviously doesn't translate into English at all.
@TheGreatestSwordsman:I don't really understand the Skypiea love, a lot of people here surprisingly seem to have it as one of their favorite arcs. The architechture and everything worked was great, but it was probably the least good arc to me.
Read it again. Its better the second time around. The first time it suffers from being the longest arc in the series (at the time) and with the readers having no context for whats going on and a "random" flashback right at the climax. The second time, when you know the backstory, why the war is going on, and the overall pace, its really, really strong. And amazing flashback. Its one of Odas best flat out adventure stories.
It's not about the difference of opinion. All I wanted to know was why every tiny detail was being nitpicked at and why he hates it so much.
A series' biggest fan also tends to be its harshest critics. We hold Oda to a harder scale than most because we know he's capable of better.
He's still doing good, yes, and better than most other series out there. But he's not holding up well compared to himself. He's been better about pacing, and character stuff in the past than he is now. Currently the strawhats are largely devolving to one note gags, for instance.
Most glaring are the nosebleed, robot and skull joke boys, but the others are minimalized too.
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@RobbyBevard:
Most glaring are the nosebleed, robot and skull joke boys, but the others are minimalized too.
I don't think I necessarily care to get too into it just at the moment – perhaps I will if / when Tora makes his post on the subject -- but this is really where I have to disagree with you and others that say things like this. Leaving aside 'nosebleed', the other two especially I think have had some of the most amazing character moments since the time skip, out of all the Straw Hats. Yes, of course in many of their interactions they are simply reduced to their 'gags', or their personality quirks, or whatever you wish to call them, there's really no way to deny that. But I think, given how many characters are being juggled on such a large scale at this point, that that's to be expected. Every given interaction can't be deep and nuanced; besides which, the gags exist for a reason, like them or not.
I suppose what it comes down to is that I feel that people saying that Oda is reducing his characters to caricatures of themselves are simply choosing -- willfully or otherwise, I cannot and will not say -- to focus entirely upon the negative, without giving any credit to the plethora of excellent character moments that have existed since the skip.
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It's a pity, but "Flanderization" is bound to occur to any long-running franchise, especially comedies where jokes have to be constant and characters must act obnoxious in order to make them happen.
Though, Oda is pretty good at handling that.
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@Panda:
But I think, given how many characters are being juggled on such a large scale at this point, that that's to be expected. Every given interaction can't be deep and nuanced; besides which, the gags exist for a reason, like them or not.
I suppose what it comes down to is that I feel that people saying that Oda is reducing his characters to caricatures of themselves are simply choosing – willfully or otherwise, I cannot and will not say -- to focus entirely upon the negative, without giving any credit to the plethora of excellent character moments that have existed since the skip.
This is going to be one of the major parts of the discussion, no doubt, and it's something that I have debated with myself time and time again because I am, regardless of everything I have said and how I have been acting for the last few months, very concerned that I'm letting my frustration take over and turn into a self-feeding cycle of suggestion that only makes matters worse for me.
Yes, what you say about focusing on the negative is very true, and I hate the fact that it is so because sometimes I do indeed feel like I'm only glossing over everything that is good. But here's where the big difference lies, and this is the point that I have wanted to make for quite long now and will do when I properly get to it (it's almost 1am, I haven't slept in two nights, and I'm slightly feverish, so please excuse me for not doing it now guys).
It's that of not letting Oda get away too easily with something he could, with proper care and with a slower pace – i.e. with more time to spend on proper, not necessarily deep, but proper, casual, not directly plot-related interactions –, handle in a much more satisfying and fulfilling way. We all know he is, or at least has once been, capable of writing sequences like that; Alabasta, Skypiea, and especially the first ten or so chapters of Water 7 all stand testimony to that. The fact that he isn't doing it now is showing that he's either too lazy to do that, which I don't really believe in, or is just rushing through his arcs in a speed that leaves no room for that. He might even have forgotten about it, having not written it in such a long time. It's a really huge decrease in enjoyment of his writing at the moment, and I feel it shouldn't be forgiven as easily if we are to expect Oda to write a masterpiece and not just "a good shonen".
The good things are still definitely there, there's probably at least one or two moments in each chapter that could be publicly praised and that should make even a heart as jaded as mine is sing songs. But the sad thing is that, at the moment, the frustration caused by the apparent decrease in quality is overwhelming the positive of those few things. It seems to me that for every good thing that is written well, there is at least two things that could have been written better bringing it down. And I can't defend Oda as long as that is the state of affairs.
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@Toraish:
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I'll just pre-emptively say that I expect to agree with you on a lot of points. I've also been miffed that I have to accept that this good series is no longer excellent, and it all comes back to the altered pacing.
Like, for me at least, I find that my biggest enjoyment of current OP is when it dwells. When it locks on a single scene/ plot point, and gives time to let it breathe for a half, or even a whole, chapter. Like, I thought the recent flashback of King Rikus Really Bad Night was emotionally effective, because even though it could've used more buildup, time was spent really driving home the carnage. Compared to Rebeccas flashback, which was highly informative, but so cramped that it had little emotional resonance.
This is also the reason I enjoyed the Mocha chapter of Punk hazard more than most of the "Action Carnage!" ones, and also the "lets go to Green Bit!" chapter, despite my dislike of Law. Whenever Oda steps out of "Marineford mode", you can see the old OP peeping out.
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I do like the occasional jump-cut chapters, ala chapter 705. The problem is when he repeats that formula way too many times. To me, the Colosseum chapters are great mostly because they're focused on a single place for 3-4 consecutive chapters, which is great.
For example, the Baby 5/Buffalo vs Franky fight had enough material to fill 1 & 1/2 chapters at least, yet Oda went the 5-6 pages in this chapter, cut; 5-6 pages next chapter, cut; final pages this chapter. The same with the Jora fight; I would've greatly prefered it if the fight started and finished in a single go, instead of dividing it between 4 chapters. It loses focus and emphasis. There's enough material to fill more than a chapter, go for it!
I also feel like Dressrosa would be even better if he took out one of the elements, just one, and left it for a future arc. To me, it's the dwarves that should've made an appearance later, on an arc centered around them, not just being side-characters in an arc already filled to the brim with stuff.
Still, I think the positive stuff outweights the negative, and Dressrosa, so far, is a great arc. If Oda one day decides to slow the pace and make things more organic once again, all the better, but it doesn't look like it'll happen. Just looking at all the stuff that's left for him to cover, all the characters that have to reappear, all the plot points he has to reveal, all the places left to visit. . .he'll rush stuff. He's rushing stuff. He wants to finish OP before he dies.
If you don't get over this, you'll never enjoy One Piece again, and that's a shame, cause there's still lots to love in OP.
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@krule274:
Your avatar is so great.
It was made by the very kind Cyclone_Baroness. In celebration of the mighty Togashi Day.
Everyone should join the fun.
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I also feel like Dressrosa would be even better if he took out one of the elements, just one, and left it for a future arc. To me, it's the dwarves that should've made an appearance later, on an arc centered around them, not just being side-characters in an arc already filled to the brim with stuff.
You're being presumptious if you think the Dwarves won't be important plot elements.
In fact, they already are, being the rebellious opposition to the arc's main villain.
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You're being presumptious if you think the Dwarves won't be important plot elements.
In fact, they already are, being the rebellious opposition to the arc's main villain.
Of course they'll be important, never said they wouldn't. I just feel the fact we're being introduced to a new race should be given more "exploration": their land, culture, main characters, believes, behaviour, etc. . .
We got in and out of their hometown far too fast, and we only got glimpses of what looked like a mighty interesting place.
(Of course, if when everything is said and done we go back there with more time in our hands It'll make things better in my book, but seeing how Sanji and co. already went to Zou it seems the pace won't be letting go in a while).
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Of course they'll be important, never said they wouldn't. I just feel the fact we're being introduced to a new race should be given more "exploration": their land, culture, main characters, believes, behaviour, etc. . .
And we did!
Land: Tontatta Kingdom, and technically all of Green Bit.
Main Characters: Leo, Wicca, Gancho. Possibly Manshelly.
Believes: Noland rules! Riku rules! The Donquixote Family sucks!
Behaviour: Very gullible.
Abilities: Great cultivators. Very strong and fast. Can domesticate animals to use as vehicles. Can use small items as weapons.And of course there wouldn't much to show from their hometown, due to size issues. We did see how the general architecture is, though.
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@Toraish:
Stuff.
@The:
Things.
I think it's pretty telling that, as I read them at least, both of your posts refer to the change in pacing as being a major issue, and source of other problems. This is a complaint I can definitely get behind more; Fishman Island, I feel, is an excellent example of what to me was honestly at the very least a perfectly solid arc, marred by rather bizarre pacing issues. Likewise, I see your point, Tora, about how Oda could do better with character interactions if he allowed himself to slow down the pace of the story. I suppose I take issues with your complaints directly about characterization because they miss the mark of the bigger issue of pacing. It's probably ultimately nothing more than one of the many bizarre distinctions I draw, but there it is.
For the record, I don't think I'd say I necessarily always mind the generally more rapid pace Oda has taken for the story of late, and in fact I could probably think of points where I would think it actually was a positive. As I said, though, I can certainly at the least recognize where people would take issue with it, and by and large probably agree with those complaints.
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@Toraish:
I hate Dressrosa.
And honestly, it's not just that. I keep seeing these lazy and simplified small things that were not there before and that are making the series so much less enjoyable overall that I can't just let it slide. Especially since we're all gathered on a forum whose main function is to discuss those vague feelings rising from each chapter.
It's very possible that I'm only overly critical and petulant about it, and if that is so, I would like nothing more than to be shown that so I could maybe cast aside my concerns and go back to enjoying something that I once loved a lot. At its finest, critical discussion can be very educational and worthwhile.
You are being a bit overly critical if it's killing your enjoyment of Dressrosa, I reckon. Not that your criticisms are normally off the mark, but Dressrosa HAS DOFLAMINGO. Surely nothing can truly dampen that.
I do like the occasional jump-cut chapters, ala chapter 705. The problem is when he repeats that formula way too many times. To me, the Colosseum chapters are great mostly because they're focused on a single place for 3-4 consecutive chapters, which is great.
For example, the Baby 5/Buffalo vs Franky fight had enough material to fill 1 & 1/2 chapters at least, yet Oda went the 5-6 pages in this chapter, cut; 5-6 pages next chapter, cut; final pages this chapter. The same with the Jora fight; I would've greatly prefered it if the fight started and finished in a single go, instead of dividing it between 4 chapters. It loses focus and emphasis. There's enough material to fill more than a chapter, go for it!
Oh, this. A thousand times over. With Vergo too. They're all things I can acknowledge actually did have some substance on panel, and yet more off-panel. But you don't feel it when it's all spread out. Read the combative climax of a big arc (say, the Tower of Law fights or Alubarna or whatever) and by some means or other, it's contrived to basically be one fight after another, each taking centre stage while they're happening. That was kind of not there on Punk Hazard, nor with Jora, which is quite disappointing. I really hope we'll see that more traditional formula for the climax of this arc, although the question then arises, will juggling all of the crew and a billion other interesting characters play out well for all of them? I really hope so, because Riku and Rebecca and Cavendish and Bellamy and Doflamingo and Law and Soldier and Chinjao and Violet … there's so much at play here, and it feels like so much of it has the potential to play out amazingly well.
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I'm somewhat conivnced that Oda's just really really excited to show the New World (and maybe a feeling of his own mortality, don't want another situation like Phoenix), hence the more brisk/rushed pace of recent arcs.
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@The:
I'll just pre-emptively say that I expect to agree with you on a lot of points.
For some reason I feel the same way.
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@The:
I'll just pre-emptively say that I expect to agree with you on a lot of points. I've also been miffed that I have to accept that this good series is no longer excellent, and it all comes back to the altered pacing.
Like, for me at least, I find that my biggest enjoyment of current OP is when it dwells. When it locks on a single scene/ plot point, and gives time to let it breathe for a half, or even a whole, chapter. Like, I thought the recent flashback of King Rikus Really Bad Night was emotionally effective, because even though it could've used more buildup, time was spent really driving home the carnage. Compared to Rebeccas flashback, which was highly informative, but so cramped that it had little emotional resonance.
This is also the reason I enjoyed the Mocha chapter of Punk hazard more than most of the "Action Carnage!" ones, and also the "lets go to Green Bit!" chapter, despite my dislike of Law. Whenever Oda steps out of "Marineford mode", you can see the old OP peeping out.
Good points here, I agree with you. Especially in weekly format (and that's how we're all going to enjoy One Piece for the entirety until it's over!) it really makes a difference between "Marineford mode" and "exhibition mode" or however you want to call it (at its most basic level, of course, it's not like we can put each chapter into either/or category…). And for me, the latter is always more enjoyable - even action-paced chapters can be not-Marineford like chapters, of course, like Luffy vs Lucci and things like that. I like the grand scale of the OP world A LOT, but to me it's more enjoyable to enjoy the grand scale in small doses instead of all current plots cramped into one chapter
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I think the pace is warranted, look at how long the series has gone on thus far. If he slowed down and enriched the character interactions, and paced it so you got the full of everything involved with the dressrosa arc, we'd be here for years. Like someone just said, I think he is just excited to show the new world. All the while trying to keep Dressrosa good, but concise.
Unlike all the other harsh critics, the manga has been great this year. Just like every other year I've read it.
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I think Dressrosa and One Piece in general has its issues since the timeskip, though Dressrosa is miles better than Punk Hazard and Fishman Island. Truthfully, if things keep going the way they're going Dressrosa might end up being one of my favorite arcs.
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I definitely agree on the point that One Piece is better when it "dwells", a major example of this being a good thing in recent memory is Zoro's fight with Monet towards the end of Punk Hazard. Although the fight was controversial it was an entertaining read because Oda dedicated a whole chapter (or maybe more) to the scene, as opposed to something like Brook vs Jora which had about 1/3 of a chapter.
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Brook vs Jora which had about 1/3 of a chapter.
There was no need to spend more than 5 pages on that fight since the only thing Jora had going for her was her Devil Fruit and is not even a destructive type of Devil Fruit but as soon as they figured it out is all over for her and Oda knew how to play that fight very well since artists understand each other or so they say
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There was no need to spend more than 5 pages on that fight since the only thing Jora had going for her was her Devil Fruit and is not even a destructive type of Devil Fruit but as soon as they figured it out is all over for her and Oda knew how to play that fight very well since artists understand each other or so they say
Maybe not spend more than 5 pages on that "fight" but rather the scene, it probably would have benefitted from a whole chapter dedicated to it.
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Maybe not spend more than 5 pages on that "fight" but rather the scene, it probably would have benefitted from a whole chapter dedicated to it.
The last artist that had a fight didn't even have the dignity of being defeated "on-screen" (AND she was defeated by a duck…). At least Jora had that AND some solo villain screen time. Besides, Jora's fight probably wouldn't be all that interesting when it's written by Oda (Araki on the other hand...).
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The last artist that had a fight didn't even have the dignity of being defeated "on-screen" (AND she was defeated by a duck…). At least Jora had that AND some solo villain screen time. Besides, Jora's fight probably wouldn't be all that interesting when it's written by Oda (Araki on the other hand…).
What? When did that happen? Was it that little girl with the painting?
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What? When did that happen? Was it that little girl with the painting?
Yes…miss goldenweek was defeated off screen by Carue. We will never know exactly what Carue did to her, but apparently it kept her out of the picture long enough until the cover story.