im calling it now doflamingo was the world noble that gave the dragon on ph its name also that pyromaniac guy in block d might be important
One Piece 722: The Royal Bloodline
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Bad chapter nothing happend, dd cd is already known… 2/10
Oda needs to speed up
U are a child or what? Nothing happend? Sunny crew beat jora, block d start and we get to know, not that dd is a cd(cause a cd that running wild as a pirate and marines-common people dont aknowledge that is weird)-(plus u didnt knew already that he is a cd u fucking retard), but that 20 kings = WG and 19 kings = CD ansestors.
Funs like you are horrible
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The fact that more information about the WG's foundation was revealed made the chapter already awesome.
Someone should put Aohige's summaries in the first post until C3 posts his script.
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I'm not saying Oda isn't wrong sometimes but as soon as the old monarch (king/queen) die then the new monarch (prince/princess) becomes (king/queen). So just because they are 1y/o doesn't mean they can't be "king" but obviously royal advisers and whatnot would rule until the child is old enough.
Yes but … that kind of thing where someone comes onto the throne at a really young age won't happen generation after generation after generation.
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As I read through this thread there where a few people wondering about Cobra just being the 12th king of Alabasta. It says king - not queen. As for the fact Vivi is a female and the heir to the throne of Alabasta. Meaning, that she is going to be the queen of this land. Or is there a male heir to take over as the 13th king?
So therefore there might have been also queens inbetween the reign of the Neferati monarchy. No?
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Epic chapter but what happened to Coribou's iguana? :cwy:
Cavendish was really awesome this week, definitely living up to his epithet! I starting to change my mind about him not ending up an ally, but he should get a reason to let go of his grudge first…
So annoying Jora went down so quickly tough! She had great character and I'm sure Oda could have made an interesting fight with her powers! On the other hand it was nice to see that Brook can use his head when need arises.
Aaand Doffy was a world noble. Can't wait to find out why he became a pirate in the first place (,and got a bounty on that matter)!
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An average reign of seventy, you mean? The understanding is that the Nefertari family would have to have ruled since at least 800 years ago, probably around 900 like the Donquixote family. Kings don't successively reign that long. A long reigning monarch gets the throne young, but their son/daughter will be old when they inherit the throne, leading to a short reign. So … well, he can retcon it by saying they were deposed and regained rule, but basically, he's made a little contradiction here >_>
A hereditary rule doesn't necessarily mean the power passing down from the king to his direct offspring. It can mean anyone from cousins to nephews and even to trusted and loved younger people adopted into the family by the king himself right before his moment of death. It sounds a bit weird if you only think of the math of a straight succession, to be sure, but that doesn't need to be the case. Yes, it's a bit of a stretch, but it's not a serious mistake by any stretch of the imagination.
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Bad chapter nothing happend, dd cd is already known… 2/10
Oda needs to speed up
Man… I don't say this often, but there's no way you're not a troll. Or like someone else said, a kid.
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That defeated Law face. Glorious.
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As I read through this thread there where a few people wondering about Cobra just being the 12th king of Alabasta. It says king - not queen. As for the fact Vivi is a female and the heir to the throne of Alabasta. Meaning, that she is going to be the queen of this land. Or is there a male heir to take over as the 13th king?
So therefore there might have been also queens inbetween the reign of the Neferati monarchy. No?
Queens often get married.
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Yes but … that kind of thing where someone comes onto the throne at a really young age won't happen generation after generation after generation.
However as soon as they are born despite not being ruler (king/queen) at the time, isn't the next generation of royalty already created?
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Queens often get married.
But that doesn't necessarely mean that the monarchy line is distinguished and they still go by the bloodline of the female heir.
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U are a child or what? Nothing happend? Sunny crew beat jora, block d start and we get to know, not that dd is a cd(cause a cd that running wild as a pirate and marines-common people dont aknowledge that is weird)-(plus u didnt knew already that he is a cd u fucking retard), but that 20 kings = WG and 19 kings = CD ansestors.
Funs like you are horrible
He is a troll he says bad chapter every week or atleast the ones I noticed.
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Man, great chapter. Loved every bit. The Block D stuff with Cavendish was nice. I didn't really seem him doing that but its cool. Makes me respect him more with those don panels. Thought the guy asking why Cavendish brought a loudspeaker was hilarious along with Luffy's "But I still hate you." Cavendish's face in the "I'm popular" panel was priceless as well. Nice to see some development with the Riku Royal fighters. At this point they probably wont interrupt the tournament until after this block but who knows. Zoro and Wicca was funny too with the "you don't know your left from your right" stuff. Man his getting lost gag never gets old. Nice to see some hype for the three leaders too but we all know that taking out fodder armies is no impressive feat for anyone worth anything.
Gotta love Brook too for coming through in the end. As soon as I saw that he got his cane/fiddle returned to normal, I knew Jora was done cause he got his sword back. Nice to see him being badass again and saying "I already cut you" and shes just like "what?" Skull jokes never get old either. Finally the Green Bit part. Holy shit. That second panel with Law halfway in the ground and Fujitora holding his sword over him while Doffy is his usual carefree self just tossing around Caesar's heart. We finally get the reveal we were all expecting; that Doffy is a noble. Can't wait to see Luffy knock that smug grin off his face. People who cower behind their status deserve to get their shit knocked out.
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This begs the question of why was there a poneglyph in Arabasta?
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Why are people arguing numbers lol?
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A hereditary rule doesn't necessarily mean the power passing down from the king to his direct offspring. It can mean anyone from cousins to nephews and even to trusted and loved younger people adopted into the family by the king himself right before his moment of death. It sounds a bit weird if you only think of the math of a straight succession, to be sure, but that doesn't need to be the case. Yes, it's a bit of a stretch, but it's not a serious mistake by any stretch of the imagination.
This is true. Of course all we saw in Alabasta seems to suggest otherwise, but it's not explicitly pointed out.
Of course it's not a serious mistake, but I think it's an error nonetheless :p
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Was Doflamingo's really a "revelation"? Who didn't already got that?
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However as soon as they are born despite not being ruler (king/queen) at the time, isn't the next generation of royalty already created?
… ? Yes? But that's not how you count rulers ... It's a moot point; there cannot have been 12 generations of a family in 900 years. That would suggest each generation was born while their father was in their late 70s. See how that's very strange?
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Great chapter, but that's all I can say as I have to go to work. Anyway BROOK YES!
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This is true. Of course all we saw in Alabasta seems to suggest otherwise, but it's not explicitly pointed out.
I think you actually managed to contradict even yourself there. Or at least the possibility of that exists. :P
Think of Kohza, remember the guy? This is incredibly hard to say, since we obviously know nothing about whether Alabasta accepts Queens holding the highest authority, but I should think Kohza will become the next king of Alabasta through marriage. It doesn't change the maths, no, there you have it right, but if it happens what it does open up is exactly the possibility of kings coming to power via means other than being a child of the previous king, which in turn provides ground for the argument of families reigning long without the figures being too warped.
That's all pointless speculation, of course. But it's a fun thought nonetheless.
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the wikia says he is the twelth,counting an average age of 70 for every king you have 840 years of reign (but you can easily increase it if you rise the average at 80),and counting cobra age of..50?60? you reach more than 800 years of reign of the nefertari family…how long ago was the foundation of the WG?
That is, assuming the Nefertari rule was a single uninterrupted reign.
There could have been a change of throne somewhere down Nefertari 6th or so, and a few centuries later returned to the reigns of the Nefertari family.It's actually pretty common place in histories of empires.
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This begs the question of why was there a poneglyph in Arabasta?
19 of 20 nations allied themselves and supposedly wiped out the ancient civilization.
The poneglyph in Arabasta is supposed to have information about the location of Pluton.
The ancient kingdom probably gave it to Arabasta as they were the only ones who chose not to be part of the other kingdom's plans. Maybe it was given to them as weapon to be used against them in the future.
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He is a troll he says bad chapter every week or atleast the ones I noticed.
no troll my opinion , and no i dont say that every weak
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Might be that Kohza becomes king - but birthright lies with Vivi. If you take the british monarchy you have a queen - besides her, her husband is still called prince. He just married into the reigning monarchy and the rulers bloodline lies still with the queen. Elisabeth II. became queen because there was no male heir besides her. If you take the swedish monarchy: you have also a married husband whom is going to become king when his wife becomes queen! Monarchy still lies within the family and is lead on with her.
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I just wonder something both countries with an ancient weapon also had some kind of a enhancement drugs that could give a huge boost phisicaly but with huge drowbacks like diyng shortly after or have your body premature ageing.
Granted that the Alabasta one didn't have any importance on final result of the arc but doesn't stop being a curious coincidence. -
no troll my opinion , and no i dont say that every weak
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Fantastic chapter!! Made more sense at the end than the spoilers did!! So Doflamingo is officially confirmed as a Celestial Dragon!! We knew that was coming. So it should be Saint Doflamingo now?
This makes me wonder what relationship the Five Elder Stars (Gorosei) had with the 20 royal families. Are they also descendants? or were they appointed by the families to look after them on Mariejois?
Over all a great chapter, glad Jora's been defeated and the ship is ok now, I was worried about that! And this line made me laugh my ass off!!
"I'm sorry, it's seems I don't understand art after all, because…. I don't have eyes!!"
Also, does Cavandish remind anyone else here of Griffiths from Berserk? I'm really looking forward to a Zoro Vs Cavandish battle!!! -
Aww, Brook. The Sunny part of the chapter was great.
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19 of 20 nations allied themselves and supposedly wiped out the ancient civilization.
The poneglyph in Arabasta is supposed to have information about the location of Pluton.
The ancient kingdom probably gave it to Arabasta as they were the only ones who chose not to be part of the other kingdom's plans. Maybe it was given to them as weapon to be used against them in the future.
They only refused to give up their kingdom and live in Mariejois, but they were part of the world government nonetheless.
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I don't often write comments because my English isn't very good but with all this discussion about the Alabasta royal family I would like to point out the life span of the OP universe characters.
I don't know if you consider this as relevant for the discussion or not (if you don't, I'm sorry) but in a couple of SBS answers Oda did say that in the OP world a normal person could live up to 140 years without a problem.
When people asked worried about Kureha dying soon because se was already 141, Oda said that she was "super human" and so will be alright for a longer time.I don't know if I explained myself well… What I mean is that is not that difficult to think of the Nefertaries ruling Alabasta for a long period if you think that they can live 140 years (even if earlier they wouldn't live that much) and that maybe some of them were at Kureha's level of "superhumanity" or even higher.
Hope I made some sense.
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But still - I can't predict what Fujitora is going to do now. I mean he didn't/couldn't know about the fact that Flamingo is a CD? And what about the fiery fleet admiral? He is not going to like the fact that he is bound by law to protect a pirate - just because he is a descendant?
Mentioning Law - poor guy - he is missing his hat again. He's gonna feel could! Just kidding. But while Fujitora remains speechless and "holds" down Law with his sword … hmm ... I don't think this is what he signed up for when he joined the marines.
Maybe this is also the reason why the Shichibukai were founded? To keep Flamingo, who somehow didn't end up living like those Mary Joa CDs, save and avoid the public figuring something out about his heritage? Maybe he claimed his birthright and became known as a pirate then and to avoid the marines going after him, the WG founded a new institution!?!
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They only refused to give up their kingdom and live in Mariejois, but they were part of the world government nonetheless.
Maybe they refuse to be World Nobles, or refuse the World Nobles idea
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Great chapter! Really enjoyed finding out more about the World Govt background. Looking forward to a better translation.
You can only be King or Queen by birthright. If the King takes a wife, she assumes a courtesy title of "Queen Consort". However the husband of a reigning Queen cannot become King Consort. A woman takes the rank and title of her husband, but not vice versa. Think of the British monarchy - Prince Philip did not take the title King Consort.
Therefooore the 800 year span accounts for 12 Kings, but also however many Queens that had reigned over Alabasta. No plot hole. :>
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Maybe they refuse to be World Nobles, or refuse the World Nobles idea
Maybe, who knows!?
Oh, shit. I'm getting excited!
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Cavendash just became kinda awesome. Jora's defeat did seem rather quick. Though I'm glad Brook was the one who did it through trickery. Then everything Dolfamingo said. Very interesting information there.
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Well, since the mermaid princess is Poseidon reincarnated and she is a person is possible that the king of Arabasta from 800 years ago was Nefertari Pluton.
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Well, since the mermaid princess is Poseidon reincarnated and she is a person is possible that the king of Arabasta from 800 years ago was Nefertari Pluton.
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Hmm reading the spoilers must have been the reason why i don't find the chapter awesome.
Overall its was pretty good. The fact that fuji was there all along goes against my prediction.:sad: However seeing law defeated on the ground brings back my spirit. Yessssssss
And as everyone had guessed ages ago on doffy being related to Gerosei, it might happen soon, just a few chapter ahead..i m betting on it.
Again this bring us the question as to who the Gerosei really are? i mean they should most probably be the descendants of the 19 kings who elected 5 members amongst themselves( must have been the leaders who attacked the fallen kingdom) to oversee the Kingdoms under their rule, or did the 19 kings elect those 5 members whom they saw were fit to handle the situations..? -
There are multiple legitimate explanations. First being Queen's husbands not being referred to as Kings which is very plausible given Nefertari supposed to be CD. Other being life span of those royal familys exceptionally long like at Kureha's example. Both indicates there is something special about bloodline and we have got the D's legacy too. Other than the need of a consistent story we do need this theory. Because we are at a point we basically know what happened in Void Century. 19 family built a foundation and dictated the whole world through World Government with probably massacre and stuff. Suspense of Raftel and the final ponegly drifts off if that were all the case. Either D has got something to do with all 'special' humans or there is a rivalry between the D and the CDs bloodline.
I must add this page and the one after that is one of the reasons i love Oda. He gives us different perspectives both at characters and environment including hits what happened earlier. And Fujitora's sword pointed at Law in case he might try something. Nice details.
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Thank goodness Law went down. Thank goodness.
And Brooks is as funny as ever.
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Silly theory…the D. bloodline comes from Alabasta LOL
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Maybe they refuse to be World Nobles, or refuse the World Nobles idea
i think the deal breaker was that if you want to become a celestial dragon,you have to forfeit your sovereign on your country..maybe the affection towards their home country was a recurrent trait in the nefertari family
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Maaan I am so psyched for a Dofla flashback now that we finally have confirmation of his noble heritage.
I wonder if we'll see a young Dofla with a classic CD fishbowl on his head, in a time before he rebelled against their lifestyle?
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Loved the chapter <3
Finally some WG background, that enough is worth many chapters. But also Cavendish!!! DAMN! So glad the spoilers were wrong here. I feel a bit mad for Jora (I know you all hate this discussion, and I usually don't bring it up even though it bothers me, but it annoys me how woman can't be hurt in OP, but ugly woman =/= woman), but seeing Cavendish treating Rebecca as an equal evens it for me, so way to go Oda.
And we had Doffy, I could have a chapter with only shots of his smile and still love it.
About the whole Alabasta discussion. Damn, Kureha is 141 years old and obviously will live much longer. This is not real life, for Christ sake.
Probably Spartan…
The one missing in D is most likely Gambia, that guy from Barto's crew Maynard defeated.
Each group is supposed to have 138 participants. Gambia was around when Block B was about to start, so we know he is not from A.
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Loved the chapter <3
Finally some WG background, that enough is worth many chapters. But also Cavendish!!! DAMN! So glad the spoilers were wrong here. I feel a bit mad for Jora (I know you all hate this discussion, and I usually don't bring it up even though it bothers me, but it annoys me how woman can't be hurt in OP, but ugly woman =/= woman), but seeing Cavendish treating Rebecca as an equal evens it for me, so way to go Oda.
And we had Doffy, I could have a chapter with only shots of his smile and still love it.
About the whole Alabasta discussion. Damn, Kureha is 141 years old and obviously will live much longer. This is not real life, for Christ sake.
The one missing in D is most likely Gambia, that guy from Barto's crew Maynard defeated.
Tashigi says ouch
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isnt possible that the alabasta kingdom was created much later, making him the 12th king of alabasta?:p
was pretty good chapter, we got some good info. still waiting for some better translation.
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Pretty interesting chapter. I'm glad we got some more info about the WG and finally confirmation that Dofla is/was a tenryubito.
I also like how Dofla has taken back the kingdom his ancestors once ruled.
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! ~wild speculation about Void Century~ feel free to delete if this is too off-topic XD
! I like the theory that the D bloodline is a remnant from the Ancient Kingdom. Like AK perhaps kept the balance of the world in check because they were so powerful, thereby protecting weaker nations/islands that couldn't otherwise fend for themselves. But 20 strong kingdoms combined were able to destroy the AK and usurp control of the world i.e. form the World Government, and those kings have ruled supreme for 800 years now. This explains why D's are considered such a threat to the World Government now, and why Gol D Roger's name was altered to Gold Roger - so the masses don't find out about the World Government's history. Perhaps the Will of D is inherited will relating to getting back the freedom of the world's people from the World Government…?This is probably a weird comment but I can't stop looking at that middle panel on the page where Doflamingo starts telling Law about the history, the line quality is so beautiful!
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I just read new chapter and wondered why Doflamingo explains to Law about the history of 20 royalty in that situation .
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The names of Trebol, Pica and Diamante are Clover, Spade and Diamond (the poker stuff) in Spanish.