I just realized something we are back to two enemies and one of them is wearing a mask again(how many chapters will be waisted until this new dude is revealed).
In short we are back to square one of this battle.
Naruto and Bleach IV- Sexy time
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I want to believe too big guy3ds code friend:0404-6254-1866new "new"3ds code friend:0791-4253-7110 (monster hunter)
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I just realized something we are back to two enemies and one of them is wearing a mask again(how many chapters will be waisted until this new dude is revealed).
In short we are back to square one of this battle.I am 100% sure it is Yamato.
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I am 100% sure it is Yamato.
When did he become evil?
I want to believe too big guy3ds code friend:0404-6254-1866new "new"3ds code friend:0791-4253-7110 (monster hunter)
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In short we are back to square one of this battle.
This is a recurring theme.
What baffles me is how so many people manage to be genuinely excited fo this snorefest. Isn't at least some of thatsort of fatigue setting in? How are they not even beginning to notice the woefully transparent attempt at drawing this out?
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This is a recurring theme.
What baffles me is how so many people manage to be genuinely excited fo this snorefest. Isn't at least some of thatsort of fatigue setting in? How are they not even beginning to notice the woefully transparent attempt at drawing this out?
They drink perhaps?
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When did he become evil?
Zetsu is controlling his body and he seemed unconscious the last time we saw him.
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What ever happened to that girl that was cursed? Think Kabuto let her out of the cave?
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What ever happened to that girl that was cursed? Think Kabuto let her out of the cave?
I thought she was on the brink of death.
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I thought she was on the brink of death.
Ergo placed into the same state as Killer Bee
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What ever happened to that girl that was cursed? Think Kabuto let her out of the cave?
Long forgotten by Kishi.
Also, it's Anko. Took me a while to remember, too.
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I'm calling it Tobi Zetsu is going to control the Cursed seal and start extra raping everyone.
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Forgot everyone else, I'm happy with what Kubo is trying to do with Rukia here. At the end of his series, he's remembered who the closest thing to main characters are in this series and has given them a final moment to shine. Rukia just beat the guy who nearly liquified her brother. Hey, if you like Rukia, how cool is that? Who would ever imagine Rukia would become that powerful? Also Renji murdered a luchadore, avenging his own jobbing. It's kind of nice.
Hey, where is Ichigo? Kubo is ripping off that plot line where Goku has to rush from the afterlife to save the world, but Rukia and Renji passed him for no reason. Why did they get there faster? I'm remembering Goku rushed as fast as he could to save life, but his absense suggest that no, he isn't doing that. Many people have died already Ichigo. What are you doing.
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Forgot everyone else, I'm happy with what Kubo is trying to do with Rukia here. At the end of his series, he's remembered who the closest thing to main characters are in this series and has given them a final moment to shine. Rukia just beat the guy who nearly liquified her brother. Hey, if you like Rukia, how cool is that? Who would ever imagine Rukia would become that powerful?
But it seems so extra asspull, even by Bleach's standards. She went from extremely underpowered to a cold-blooded badass… and somehow lost the appealing side of her personality along the way. Kubo didn't build up to her victory at all, it just suddenly happened in the span of one chapter against an opponent who was previously shown to be very formidable.
This is why OP is on another level, Oda has somehow managed to pace the series pretty well for over 700 chapters. And with powers being less about raw strength and more about how they are applied, victories feel more strategic and justified than the endless power ups we see here.
Bleach could also take some lessons in pseudoscience from Toriko. Shimabukuro's explanations for his characters' obscene abilities are often rooted in real world phenomena and presented with such charisma that it works. Kubo's attempt at doing something similar with Rukia's... frozen death thing just comes off as hokey and contradictory to her character's nature.
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Bleach could also take some lessons in pseudoscience from Toriko. Shimabukuro's explanations for his characters' obscene abilities are often rooted in real world phenomena and presented with such charisma that it works. Kubo's attempt at doing something similar with Rukia's… frozen death thing just comes off as hokey and contradictory to her character's nature.
You should've seen all the eyerolling that Ichiryuu's Minority World's explanation caused.
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speaking about Toriko and its power explanations, it doesn't as bad as in Bleach or in fact far it's better because it doesn't come with typical Kubo's smugness, "i am so smart" kind of feels. in fact whether its real, wrong, fake or pseudo-science kind explanation, Shima and a lot of other mangakas actually really trying to give an explanation to the power in their mangas, writing a lot of it instead of an short repetitive half ass sentence that doesn't make sense or "i lied" kind of explanation..
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Forgot everyone else, I'm happy with what Kubo is trying to do with Rukia here. At the end of his series, he's remembered who the closest thing to main characters are in this series and has given them a final moment to shine. Rukia just beat the guy who nearly liquified her brother. Hey, if you like Rukia, how cool is that? Who would ever imagine Rukia would become that powerful? Also Renji murdered a luchadore, avenging his own jobbing. It's kind of nice.
If this were any other series, I might think As Nodt was beaten, but since his "defeat" ended with a
flashback(the fuck?) cliffhanger, I expect him using Vollstandig next chapter. And in the one after that, Rukia will have to use Bankai to beat him. Hopefully, it will be over then.Also, bonus possibility. He's too strong for her in Vollstandig, but Byakuya saves her and kills him without even releasing Shikai. Trolol
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If this were any other series, I might think As Nodt was beaten, but since his "defeat" ended with a flashback, I expect him using Vollstandig next chapter. And in the one after that, Rukia will have to use Bankai to beat him. Hopefully, it will be over then.
Also, bonus possibility. He's too strong for her in Vollstandig, but Byakuya saves her and kills him without even releasing Shikai. Trolol
Chapter 568: As Nodt uses Vollstandig
Chapter 569: Rukia overpowered, a mysterious foot appears
Chapter 570: It's Byakuya, he explains his new power and one-shot As Nodt
And all this happens without Rukia using Bankai, so that we could wonder "If Rukia had used her Bankai, could she have beaten As Nodt?" [RPG Time is now fully colored. Check it out!!
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Chapter 568: As Nodt uses Vollstandig
Chapter 569: Rukia overpowered, a mysterious foot appears
Chapter 570: It's Byakuya, he explains his new power and one-shot As Nodt
And all this happens without Rukia using Bankai, so that we could wonder "If Rukia had used her Bankai, could she have beaten As Nodt?"Even better.
Don't think Kubo would miss an opportunity to troll us like that.
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speaking about Toriko and its power explanations, it doesn't as bad as in Bleach or in fact far it's better because it doesn't come with typical Kubo's smugness, "i am so smart" kind of feels. in fact whether its real, wrong, fake or pseudo-science kind explanation, Shima and a lot of other mangakas actually really trying to give an explanation to the power in their mangas, writing a lot of it instead of an short repetitive half ass sentence that doesn't make sense or "i lied" kind of explanation..
In Toriko power explanations there are always two parts. The real world science that is totally right an then the totally exaggeration that is only true in the fiction world of Toriko. Is easy to see what is what and so it makes a strange and appealing way of explaining powers. Even that minority world of Ichiryuu is explained in this way. People got a lot of problems with it, I don't remember well but it seemed some people were trying to explain Ichiryuu powers as possible in real world, but the part where Ichiryuu could control is minority cells were obviously the exaggeration of the real world and of course totally wrong from a real world perspective, but it worked in the fiction world of Toriko.
In bleach the scientific explanations got totally mixed with the fiction and the fiction seemed to conflict with other fiction. Well we could give a free pass for Kubo in this case because is not that hard to understand what he was trying to do and say, but … but ... let me just say that the execution was not the best one.
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In Toriko power explanations there are always two parts. The real world science that is totally right an then the totally exaggeration that is only true in the fiction world of Toriko. Is easy to see what is what and so it makes a strange and appealing way of explaining powers. Even that minority world of Ichiryuu is explained in this way. People got a lot of problems with it, I don't remember well but it seemed some people were trying to explain Ichiryuu powers as possible in real world, but the part where Ichiryuu could control is minority cells were obviously the exaggeration of the real world and of course totally wrong from a real world perspective, but it worked in the fiction world of Toriko.
In bleach the scientific explanations got totally mixed with the fiction and the fiction seemed to conflict with other fiction. Well we could give a free pass for Kubo in this case because is not that hard to understand what he was trying to do and say, but … but ... let me just say that the execution was not the best one.
The big problem with minority world is that, unlike the other real world phenomena that are exaggerated to huge sizes, is that the real world concept it's built on is already very shaky. String Theory sorta stuff are more or less a bunch of different models that try to explain certain physical phenomena, but none of them are particularly concrete. So bringing that sorta science in as well as taking control of minorities was kinda meh.
Of course, still not on the same level as Bleach.
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Chapter 568: As Nodt uses Vollstandig
Chapter 569: Rukia overpowered, a mysterious foot appears
Chapter 570: It's Byakuya, he explains his new power and one-shot As Nodt
And all this happens without Rukia using Bankai, so that we could wonder "If Rukia had used her Bankai, could she have beaten As Nodt?"BONUS ROUND
Guess the TRAGICK backstory of As Nödt!
Will you be able to correctly pinpoint the tragic events that led him to his power and his conviction to follow Quincy Jesus?If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. - _Sun Tzu, The Art Of War
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guess the tragick backstory of as nödt!
Will you be able to correctly pinpoint the tragic events that led him to his power and his conviction to follow quincy jesus?banzai yahoobach! Banzai!
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BONUS ROUND
Guess the TRAGICK backstory of As Nödt!
Will you be able to correctly pinpoint the tragic events that led him to his power and his conviction to follow Quincy Jesus?He followed him because he was afraid of everything.
That made me remember, anyone read Soul Eater?
! Asura was told to be afraid of everything, but then he somehow became the fear itself. With those illusions and crap.
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He followed him because he was afraid of everything.
That made me remember, anyone read Soul Eater?
! Asura was told to be afraid of everything, but then he somehow became the fear itself. With those illusions and crap.
Is not fear, but insanity! And wasn't that only in the anime? If I remember correctly in the manga he became "lord" of insanity, but not because he was afraid of everything, but because he believed that insanity was the most powerful emotion in the world.
The anime of sou eater in the end turns in something really stupid and the end of it was really badly handled, the manga is 100 times better and it wasn't that good either.
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Is not fear, but insanity! And wasn't that only in the anime? If I remember correctly in the manga he became "lord" of insanity, but not because he was afraid of everything, but because he believed that insanity was the most powerful emotion in the world.
The anime of sou eater in the end turns in something really stupid and the end of it was really badly handled, the manga is 100 times better and it wasn't that good either.
Right! It was insanity!
In the manga, Shinigami recounted his past and how he was afraid constantly and became insane with time. Then when they came to free him, everyone had creepy and scary illusions.I saw some fights in anime, and they are pretty damn good. But I heard they fuck things up so I opted for manga. And the second half loses in quality compared to first.
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I saw some fights in anime, and they are pretty damn good.
Yutaka Nakamura can make anything look good.
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Yutaka Nakamura can make anything look good.
Majority of the fights were indeed very good, but the last two(or three) fights were bad. I remember that Kinshin vs Shinigami sama was bad and Maka-Black Star-Death the kid vs Kinshin was bad as well, I don't remember about Black Star vs The samurai, so I can't say it was bad but I remember that it was a lot of times inferior to the manga. Given that they were original material they could at least be better.
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Forgot everyone else, I'm happy with what Kubo is trying to do with Rukia here. At the end of his series, he's remembered who the closest thing to main characters are in this series and has given them a final moment to shine. Rukia just beat the guy who nearly liquified her brother. Hey, if you like Rukia, how cool is that? Who would ever imagine Rukia would become that powerful? Also Renji murdered a luchadore, avenging his own jobbing. It's kind of nice.
Hey, where is Ichigo? Kubo is ripping off that plot line where Goku has to rush from the afterlife to save the world, but Rukia and Renji passed him for no reason. Why did they get there faster? I'm remembering Goku rushed as fast as he could to save life, but his absense suggest that no, he isn't doing that. Many people have died already Ichigo. What are you doing.
It was stated Renji and Rukia left about a day before Ichigo did.
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And with powers being less about raw strength and more about how they are applied, victories feel more strategic and justified than the endless power ups we see here.
Gear Second and Gear Third out of fucking nowhere. Diable Jambei out of fucking nowhere. Asura out of fucking nowhere. It irks me when people just turn a blind eye to some of the shit Oda does just because they like One Piece better.
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It was stated Renji and Rukia left about a day before Ichigo did.
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Gear Second and Gear Third out of fucking nowhere. Diable Jambei out of fucking nowhere. Asura out of fucking nowhere. It irks me when people just turn a blind eye to some of the shit Oda does just because they like One Piece better.
Does we really see the Straw hat training? Was there a training arc, semi-arc or part?
I don't like those training parts, I don't hate when they happen, but normally doesn't make a story better in any way and it is always so unreal. I prefer when the training part is off-screen and what the character learns is just shown when they fight/use them in any way.
It seems that is Oda way of doing things and it didn't really started at Ennies Lobby. In Skypiea Zoro makes two new techniques(the 36 and the 108 canon) and that obviously wasn't made at that precise time. Luffy than later do the same making it obvious that he learned that from Zoro, vice versa or they invented those techniques together. A lot of Luffy attacks are all certainly though out and experimented before is first use is showed. The biggest difference with Ennies Lobby was that there it was showed the progress, made of-screen, by all of them(Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Ussop and Nami) and there progress was immense, differently from the other times where was always only one or two techniques.
Note: The gear second wasn't invented for looking at the CP9. Walking at a great speed in that state was inspiration from CP9 Soru.One Problem that I have with training parts in shonen is the incredible increase in "power level" after the training, the character normally gets 10 or more times stronger, the training is always intensive training and never normal continuous training, the training is supposed to take a certain time but it takes always 3 times or less than normal, the training is normally focused on how intensive it is and there is not any focus about rest, in reality is normally shown that resting is something bad and that you only should do at the end of the training.
It like the authors are saying to the teens that read the manga, that for people to become stronger they have to make intensive training, the intensity has to be really high, they don't have to rest while in the training and that you have to evolve your skills before the time expected, basically be a genius.
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Gear Second and Gear Third out of fucking nowhere. Diable Jambei out of fucking nowhere. Asura out of fucking nowhere. It irks me when people just turn a blind eye to some of the shit Oda does just because they like One Piece better.
Lots of people have complained that those techniques came out of nowhere. I don't know why, but it never really bothered me that much. I just assumed that they were techniques that the Strawhats cooked up in between adventures, and with all the powerful threats they had faced up to that point, it makes they'd try to come up with something to advance their battle capabilities. Could it have used some foreshadowing? Yeah, maybe, but it still doesn't really bother. Also, it helps that (to my recollection) that's the only time in the series thus far Oda did something like that.
Oh, and while I'll grant you the Gears and Diable Jambe, Asura just seems like any other technique Zoro has come up with over the series. I don't see people bitching about 36 Pound Cannon.
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Lots of people have complained that those techniques came out of nowhere. I don't know why, but it never really bothered me that much. I just assumed that they were techniques that the Strawhats cooked up in between adventures, and with all the powerful threats they had faced up to that point, it makes they'd try to come up with something to advance their battle capabilities. Could it have used some foreshadowing? Yeah, maybe, but it still doesn't really bother. Also, it helps that (to my recollection) that's the only time in the series thus far Oda did something like that.
Oh, and while I'll grant you the Gears and Diable Jambe, Asura just seems like any other technique Zoro has come up with over the series. I don't see people bitching about 36 Pound Cannon.
Zoro was actively talking about needing a flying slash before he used 36 pound cannon.
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Zoro was actively talking about needing a flying slash before he used 36 pound cannon.
Too right. Zoro should've been talking about how he needed a technique that made it look he sprouted four arms and two heads before he used Asura.
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Too right. Zoro should've been talking about how he needed a technique that made it look he sprouted four arms and two heads before he used Asura.
He was saying that he needed a technique for long range like a flying slash.
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Zoro was actively talking about needing a flying slash before he used 36 pound cannon.
No he wasn't! I am rereading the series right now and it appeared out of nowhere like the Asura. Zoro was fighting against one of the guys in Skypiea and he said that he was in a disadvantage and needed a long range attack. After some pages of fighting with the guy he says he has a cannon and does the attack.
In One Piece there is never foreshadowing or any indicative about skills the characters are learning!
P.S: In reality the only attack that have any kind of foreshadowing was the one in Arlong Park from Genzo pinwheel.
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The best part of One Piece is the part where the journey is interrupted every few chapters to show the Strawhats dicking around with their powers.
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Everyone saying Zoros pound cannons came out of nowhere should reread the ending to Zoro vs Hachi. He's had flying slashes since east blue.
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No he wasn't! I am rereading the series right now and it appeared out of nowhere like the Asura. Zoro was fighting against one of the guys in Skypiea and he said that he was in a disadvantage and needed a long range attack. After some pages of fighting with the guy he says he has a cannon and does the attack.
In One Piece there is never foreshadowing or any indicative about skills the characters are learning!
P.S: In reality the only attack that have any kind of foreshadowing was the one in Arlong Park from Genzo pinwheel.
Episode 170. Starts around 5:50. Use player 2. http://www.watchcartoononline.com/one-piece-episode-170-english-subbed
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Everyone saying Zoros pound cannons came out of nowhere should reread the ending to Zoro vs Hachi. He's had flying slashes since east blue.
Even before that, Mihawk cutting Krieg's giant ship in half foreshadowed long range slashes
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Episode 170. Starts around 5:50. Use player 2. http://www.watchcartoononline.com/one-piece-episode-170-english-subbed
Do you know what it means filler? That part isn't in the manga and was just added. And what are you trying to say? He said that he needed to use a air attack and moments later he used it. Are you saying that if Zoro had thought right before fighting Kaku that he needed 3 times more power than all the people saying that Asura came from nowhere wouldn't be complaining right now?
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@The:
Everyone saying Zoros pound cannons came out of nowhere should reread the ending to Zoro vs Hachi. He's had flying slashes since east blue.
No he didn't! Did you read the manga? The only thing that he had was the hurricane and at that time was a normal rotative attack.
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@Monkey:
Even before that, Mihawk cutting Krieg's giant ship in half foreshadowed long range slashes
http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=49&index=1&page=16If that is the case, every slash effect foreshadowed that! Than why don't you go way before that and go to Morgan and is Axe cutting concrete?
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Do you know what it means filler? That part isn't in the manga and was just added. And what are you trying to say? He said that he needed to use a air attack and moments later he used it. Are you saying that if Zoro had thought right before fighting Kaku that he needed 3 times more power than all the people saying that Asura came from nowhere wouldn't be complaining right now?
No, but some foreshadowing or something would have been nice.
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No, but some foreshadowing or something would have been nice.
True, Foreshadowing or flashback, of when they were thinking or developing their techniques would be better. But the foreshadowing of the 36 Pound Canon was unsatisfactory because it was seconds before he used it.
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With a much as Zoro trains on a daily basis I didn't find his new attacks to be too random. Maybe he's just that natural at swordsmanship lol. Something inspires him, he takes a few practice swings. Viola, 3 faces!
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It was stated Renji and Rukia left about a day before Ichigo did.
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Gear Second and Gear Third out of fucking nowhere. Diable Jambei out of fucking nowhere. Asura out of fucking nowhere. It irks me when people just turn a blind eye to some of the shit Oda does just because they like One Piece better.
This pretty much foreshadowed that it wasn't something Oda thought of during Luffy vs Blueno , also there was a few days difference between when Luffy fought Aokiji and when Strawhats set out for water 7 so he could had the basic idea for the move and made the actual move when he saw the Cp9 moves .
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God, I loved the art during W7/EL.
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No he didn't! Did you read the manga? The only thing that he had was the hurricane and at that time was a normal rotative attack.
Tatsumaki isn't just Zoro spinning his swords around. It is an attack he launches. Look at how it affects the desert lizard above him while he's on the gound in chapter 162.
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@The:
Tatsumaki isn't just Zoro spinning his swords around. It is an attack he launches. Look at how it affects the desert lizard above him while he's on the gound in chapter 162.
For me is just seems slashing effect, look at the page before and see where the head of the lizard is, is head is practically touching the ground, in the next page where Zoro, Luffy, Sanji attack the Lizard his head way above the ground like it went up because of the impact. Luffy attack is made to the side and Sanji attack from above directed downwards while Zoro attack is from below directed upwards, so Zoro attack is the only that made the lizard head go up.
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A) Between the first showing of the lizard and the spread, are several panels. It could've moved is head.
B) The three way attack is simultaneously. For what you say to make sense, Zoro would have to attack first, then the others, which is clearly not what happened.
C) Tatsumaki doesn't involve Zoro waving the swords around over his head (as would be needed if it was a simple slash hitting the lizard directly), but rather a downward spinning thrust of them that generates a wind-shockwave. Just look at his pose, he's always bent over when doing the move. And how else would him spinning around horizontally launch people into the air vertically?If Tatsumaki was like you describe it would work as Pickles' spinning slash, which just swats people away.
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@The:
A) Between the first showing of the lizard and the spread, are several panels. It could've moved is head.
B) The three way attack is simultaneously. For what you say to make sense, Zoro would have to attack first, then the others, which is clearly not what happened.
C) Tatsumaki doesn't involve Zoro waving the swords around over his head (as would be needed if it was a simple slash hitting the lizard directly), but rather a downward spinning thrust of them that generates a wind-shockwave. Just look at his pose, he's always bent over when doing the move. And how else would him spinning around horizontally launch people into the air vertically?If Tatsumaki was like you describe it would work as Pickles' spinning slash, which just swats people away.
A) It could and it couldn't. It only shown low before the attack so making suppositions that it could go up is irrelevant. I could very well say that maybe he walked in Zig-Zag. Doesn't make much sense moving your head above to attack little targets.
B) The other jumped while zoro didn't. Either he launched the attack or not he made it before the others. The only think that was at the same time was screaming the attacks.
C) So if he sends a shockwave it goes upwards but if just slashes it doesn't? He doesn't need to have the swords up his head to make a diagonal upward force and even if he didn't have done that the fact that he cut the lizard would make the lizard react upward. -
A) Right. So we can't say for sure how exactly the lizard moved between panels, as it wasn't shown.
B) Dude, you're being contrarian. Its clearly all done at the same time. They say the first halves of their attack names, and then the second halves all together in one single panel. The "impacts" from all three attacks are shown in the panel.
If Zoro went first, and did not launch an attack as you suggest, then there should be a panel of Zoro cutting it before the others, launching it into the air. Which also would mean that on the big panel of the three way attack, only Luffy and Sanji are actively attacking, and Zoro have just done his attack off panel, making him inactive compared to the others.
They attack all together thats the point, its not Groggy Ring of the fighters taking turns following up each others moves.
C) He spins around in a circle, creating a tornado. Tornados are vertical things. He'd need to make the attack hit directly above him, since the lizard is clearly hit on its lower jaw; it's not like he cuts its leg, and then it raises its head (which again, is clearly not happening. You're inserting your own off-panel scenario of Zoro knocking the lizard upwards to stubbornly support your "No flying slashes!" notion).
And finally, look at any time ever Zoro has done the Tornado move. It does not involve him putting the swords above his head; on the contrary, he goes from holding the swords horizontally, to finishing in a crouch, as close to the ground as possible without sitting down. Out of all his moves, its the LEAST useful one for hitting stuff above him…unless you consider it a launched attack, which would make it the MOST useful.
Which scenario makes more sense in the context of the scene?
