Turning the corner on the soundtrack. The new themes and the last few tracks are all golden. Can't wait to watch the movie again so I can match them all with the cues.
On that note…
How weird is it that Powell composed a whole new song for this trailer/sequence that was replaced by that Jonsi track? Kind of a shame, since the Jonsi song still made it in the ending credits (even with as good as it was).
Do you know the name of the OST that is playing in the trailer?!
I think growth and development are separate things from a storytelling perspective. They seem similar, but there's actually a subtle difference that differentiates them.
So the thing about character development, is that it usually effects the core of the character completely, and usually (but not always) the character is changed because of it. There are very few instances of this for the Straw Hats outside of their individual arcs, in my opinion. I think another facet of character development is that it's usually brought on by circumstances, usually it's easy to point to actual things in the story that cause character development to happen, like Ace's death for Luffy. I'll use Zoro as an example. He gets real character development when he loses to Mihawk. At this point we hadn't seen him lose before, and not nearly that badly. He cries out to Luffy, the first and only time we see him crying, that he will become stronger. This is also the very first time he acknowledges Luffy as the Pirate King.
This is character development. Zoro internalizes his defeat by Mihawk, and gains resolve because of it. He's given a reality check by fighting the strongest in the world, and it causes him to grow. Noticeably, it's after this defeat when we get shots of Zoro training hardcore, lifting weights and stuff. Before this, we never really saw him train.
The difference is with character growth, that a character can grow, maybe even change slightly, but the difference is that there's no internalization happening.
I'll use Zoro again as an example. On Thriller Bark, we see him abandon his dream for the sake of Luffy's, and try to sacrifice himself for the rest of the crew. This seems like character development, but it's actually growth. You see nothing is really changed about Zoro's character, nothing is really internalized. After this is over, the SH's go back to being how they were before, but nothing has been changed or internalized for Zoro. He has grown as a character in our eyes, but he hasn't developed.
Not all growth is transformative, and leads to change. But character growth, in my opinion, is no less important or meaningful than development.
I think one of the coolest aspects of One Piece is how reactionary the Straw Hats are as protagonists. Most protagonists in story go through conflict, meet people, then are changed and developed by that conflict and those people. With the Straw Hats, it always seems to be reversed. It's the people they meet because of the situations they get into that end up being the ones who change. This is primarily how Luffy gets people to join the crew in the first place, and it's extremely satisfying when that happens. Almost every arc we see minor characters change due to the influence of the Straw Hats. This reversal of development that the SH's have as a crew is why the new Straw Hat members get insane amounts of character development in their own arcs, and then after that don't really change, but grow.
Awesome post . I managed to learn few new things from this .
@Piccolo:
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You must teach us the way of the troll Magi. I see you've already taken ZoroFTW9 under your wing. Your trolly posts will never get a serious answer. You already trolled RobZilla. Can't you go to another forum? lol
LOL What a retard this guy is for literally using the word "troll" to hide behind his lack of knowledge on the subject . This is literally like troll 101 .
@Piccolo:
And exactly how I ignorant? All you've done is state that the characters went through growth. I've acknowledged that they all have. But once again growth isn't the same as development so I just don't understand what you're getting at. Can't you and Magi just go troll another Forum? lol
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ZoroFTW9 and Magi there are plenty of One piece forums out there. Why troll this one?
Umm would you mind not spamming my mail box?! Go rant about your lack of knowledge somewhere else .It's getting really annoying .
@Piccolo:
Goodness, another ZoroFTW9 original. Honestly don't even know how to respond to this. You literally didn't read a single sentence of my post. You are mixing the word growth with the word development. All those little character moments you mentioned. Those are when the characters are going through growth. How do you not get this?
Once again Luffy is the only one who had a life changing development. Ace died. Literally a change in his life right? Zoro and the rest of the crew becoming more and more dedicated to their Captain is_not_ the same as a life changing development.
Growth=Zoro getting beat by Mihawk, Robin confessing, Sanji leaving Zeff, Chopper leaving Drum, etc.
Life changing development= Luffy losing his brother.(Kind of stands out doesn't it?)Please explain how Zoro getting beat by Mihawk is the same as Luffy losing Ace.
I don't even understand what you're trying to get at. Please stop mixing those two words. Your username pretty much sums up how much you actually think you know. Go watch some Zoro AMV's or something.
…................... LOL what a load of BS this is . This guy is completely ignorant about character growth .
So getting character focus counts as fanservice ?! …...................................
So a character having fight that does nothing other than to please the viewers counts as character focus?! ….............................................
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He probably said that because Robin is a female character.
And also that he does not like her.
Nope i don't hate her , she is one of my favorite strawhat but i just don't see why fans are going ape shit to the point where they don't like Robin because Oda isn't giving Robin a fight . Seems like a retarded complain to me .
Just like we were all sure that build-up between Fujitora and Doflamingo will lead to actual conflict, and not marines helping him?
That scene made me lost all hope for marines being actually treated fairly in this arc. Violet scene here is just confirming my fears.
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Yay!
And?
For fucks sake, man. All that Oda's done since timeskip for them is hype marines up and the storyline takes every opportunity to make them look stupid. That is not how good storytelling works.
So Marines looking stupid is bad writing ?! ….........................Lmfaoooooooo just when i thought you couldn't get any more of a blind fanboy , you go and set new records for your own fanboyism .
For example?
"This is not a true development for the characters. For one scene, they state that their motivation have changed, and they act upon it. Their everyday behavior remains the same, regardless. Therefore, not a character development, character moment."
Just a thought.
Hahaha sounds like you need to learn more about character growth . Their everyday behavior doesn't need to change in order for them to have character growth . There are lots ways to have character growth without having to completely change their entire lives . And since One Piece is a plot driven narrative adventure story , not character driven , it doesn't need to have the character's change their entire lives to show growth .
I'm not even going to dignify this with an answer.
Considering how Magi just destroyed your piss-poor argument and how you said how those examples character moments without even explaining yourself , i don't really see what else can you say here that will not make you dumb .
Gentleman… those are character moments. And I already knew about them.
No, what I'm asking are significant changes to characters personality. Something that sticks, and not a declaration after which they act almost completly the same.
HAHAHAHAHAHA man i knew that you had some of the baseless arguments i have seen on this forum but this post just takes the cake out of every dumb post you ever wrote .
"Gentleman… those are character moments. And I already knew about them. " LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO my sides are hurting from laughing at this stupidity .
