A quick Google search brought up nothing. What'd he do?
In the latest chapter of Needless:
! Cruz/Yamada became a girl. Genderbended. His dick is gone. Forever.
! And the next chapter will be THE FINAL chapter.
Fuck you, Imai.
A quick Google search brought up nothing. What'd he do?
In the latest chapter of Needless:
! Cruz/Yamada became a girl. Genderbended. His dick is gone. Forever.
! And the next chapter will be THE FINAL chapter.
Fuck you, Imai.
^But dude that was awesome.
! Basically equivalent of, final battle… Blade gains all of the seven dragon ball and has god like power to make one wish....
! Save the world? NO!
! I want YAMADA TO TURN INTO A GIRL!
! Best troll ever.
^
! As a devoted fan of Needless I must say this was one if not the best troll I've ever watched, and the laughs I got with that.
! But I also know this genderbend serves a far greater purpose than just comic relief. And what's ending is just the first part of the story. Ever checked the author's website? There's a nice timeline featuring everything related to the series there.
And All Fiction, something is telling me you didn't read Needless 1.5
… Well, I need to catch up to Needless now...
And I wouldn't mind if Nagisa end like that
perhaps having an all manly guy gaining assassination skills is not as interesting as seeing an girly "weakling" becoming the perfect assassin.
But you don't need a manly manly guy to be the protagonist.
Look at Tsuna from Reborn!, he's clearly a guy and yet he looks weak and feeble, nothing close to manly.
And even if the series wasn't shitty with character growth by the end of it Tsuna would never look like Goku or Toriko, all bulky and veiny.
Better yet, look at Eyeshield 21. Half of Devil Bats don't look manly at all and they keep growing and getting stronger without ever looking like Goku or Toriko and yet they don't look like girls either.
I already got used to Nagisa's look so it doesn't really bother me anymore when I'm reading AssClass but I will always think it could have been done better.
Unless he's girly looks will be used as an important plot point in the future.
yeah, that's pretty much why I like Nagisa. I just love it when shonen do something really unconventional, because they tend to be very formulaic, so seeing one of the meekest characters being the deadliest character is just a breath of fresh air. That's also why I love Morgiana from Magi and Mikasa from Shingeki No Kyojin, so grateful for having female characters who are legitimately kickass, not your usual glass cannon who needs to fight long-range
Although I'm sure someone who has already dozens of shonen doesn't even care about that anymore, lol
Yep, the weak-looking underdog turning out to be a genius at something and winning love and friendship and admiration by his peers…
That has never happend in any shounen ever...
There's no "point" in girls being cute, Goku having impossibly spiky hair, or Kenshin looking way younger than he should be either.
There this thing called aesthetic characteristics.
@All:
In the latest chapter of Needless:
! Cruz/Yamada became a girl. Genderbended. His dick is gone. Forever.
! And the next chapter will be THE FINAL chapter.Fuck you, Imai.
If this happened to a manga character that I like, I'd kill myself..
Yep, the weak-looking underdog turning out to be a genius at something and winning love and friendship and admiration by his peers…
That has never happend in any shounen ever...
eh, it's not really that, I just really like feminine characters being kickass in close-combat. Again, I've only read like 20-30 shonen so far, but Shingeki no kyojin and Magi are for example the only ones I know where the some strong close-range fighter are women, i just love that shit.
But that's really more of a personal preference of mine, and isn't something I expect other people to get.
http://www.mangareader.net/assassination-classroom/43
how funny: the moment we have an "in-depth" discussion about Nagisas feminine look the Mangaka chooses to add a joke involving it. sounds suspicious if you ask me.
Well, in case he reads this forum, hey Matsui-sensei! We really enjoy your manga!
I thought this chapter was pointless, but Koro-sensei's weakness to the water made me laugh. I didn't expect it at all, especially since he looks like a sea monster with all these tentacles and stuff.
That's… some really bad typesetting. ._____.
http://www.mangareader.net/assassination-classroom/43
how funny: the moment we have an "in-depth" discussion about Nagisas feminine look the Mangaka chooses to add a joke involving it. sounds suspicious if you ask me.
That's… some really bad typesetting. ._____.
Not only that, they're using Chinese scanlations and just superimposing English text over it.
So they can be lazy and not have to clean shit, stealing from the Chinese scanlators.
It's like robbers robbing pirates. lol.
Who scanlated it, anyway? I didn't see any group names.
Huh, Matsui's favourite Dragon Quest monster is King Cureslime, according to his ToC comment.
so refreshing to have a swimming chapter of a manga that doesn't have the girl characters stripped nude and humiliated
Or getting groped and comparing chest sizes for that matter.
RAW for chapter 44: http://raw.senmanga.com/Assassination_Classroom/44/1
Or getting groped and comparing chest sizes for that matter.
Bless Matsui, there's nothing I hate more than the obligatory creepy breast comparison scene
There's no "point" in girls being cute, Goku having impossibly spiky hair, or Kenshin looking way younger than he should be either.
There this thing called aesthetic characteristics.
Girls always look cute because the stories are targetted at teen boys who tend to adore cute girls and not so much the ugly ones.
Goku's wierd hair form is so he can easily recognized. Even Bakuman talked about this when Saito and Shujin were writting Tanto. And looking for an western example look at the main characters from the Simpson's and Futurama, Matt Groening design's all main characters to be recognized by their sillhouette alone. It's a good design method.
Kenshin was 28 years old, not an old man per se. And his young look came about because while Watsuki wanted to make Kenshin over 30 years old his editor said that a character in a shounen manga shouldn't/can't be that old because it won't appeal to the young readers. (not sure if that's true since every little boy thinks Wolverine is the coolest X-Man)
So as you see these were all design decisions with a purpose. And maybe Nagisa's look will gain some importance as the series goes by, at least in the last chapters they were mentioned in a way very similiar to what we've been discussing in this thread. I'll hold my judgement until the end of the series but if we get to the end of it and Nagisa just has the face of a girl because "fuck it, lol" it will be a very poor point in the story.
RAW for chapter 44: http://raw.senmanga.com/Assassination_Classroom/44/1
Yeah we dont have the breast groping scene but we have
! a girl licking one of the class E girls hand?WTF
So as you see these were all design decisions with a purpose. And maybe Nagisa's look will gain some importance as the series goes by, at least in the last chapters they were mentioned in a way very similiar to what we've been discussing in this thread. I'll hold my judgement until the end of the series but if we get to the end of it and Nagisa just has the face of a girl because "fuck it, lol" it will be a very poor point in the story.
Why do people sometimes try to flip a shit over things not being the status quo norm and demanding some sort of reason, or importance, for it, or it's JUST NOT COOL
I cannot believe you take offense to him looking feminine and want so desperately for answers haha
Like where is this coming from, are you overestimating what you know about magazine demographics and think this is REALLY STRANGE based on everything you know about BAKUMAN the obvious authority on magazine serials, or are you just straight up "WHY THING NOT DERIVATIVE OF OTHER THING"…
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Just read 43.
Slowest chapter yet. The end wasn't end-worthy either.
slowest chapter yet?
what expected plot development are you anticipating that could make it seem to drag on?
Goku's wierd hair form is so he can easily recognized. Even Bakuman talked about this when Saito and Shujin were writting Tanto. And looking for an western example look at the main characters from the Simpson's and Futurama, Matt Groening design's all main characters to be recognized by their sillhouette alone. It's a good design method.
So um. Uhh.
To put it simply, that is the very definition of aesthetic characteristics?
How is Goku's appearance being distinguished by readers any different from anyone else, including Nagisa, having appearance that distinguish them?
@The:
Why do people sometimes try to flip a shit over things not being the status quo norm and demanding some sort of reason, or importance, for it, or it's JUST NOT COOL
I cannot believe you take offense to him looking feminine and want so desperately for answers haha
Like where is this coming from, are you overestimating what you know about magazine demographics and think this is REALLY STRANGE based on everything you know about BAKUMAN the obvious authority on magazine serials, or are you just straight up "WHY THING NOT DERIVATIVE OF OTHER THING"…
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Dude, calm your tits. I'm not flipping any shit, I simply stated my thoughs on Nagisa's design: I think it's bad.
People responded to the comment I made and I responded back, that's how a talk goes. I didn't demand any answers nor am I offended by Nagisa's looks.
And I'm not overestimating my knowledge nor did I say that Bakuman is god-almighty of how Jump works, I was talking about character design (on any media, not just japanese comic books for young boys) and gave a couple of examples: one of them being a scene in Bakuman, because it's a recent and popular series that explained that point really well, and the other being two western tv series with a couple of hundred episodes each, try watching them sometime.
I don't know what the author was thinking when he designed Nagisa like that, what are his plans for the character or what he talked with his editor. Maybe there are real reasons to why Nagisa has the face of a girl or maybe it's just because.
So um. Uhh.
To put it simply, that is the very definition of aesthetic characteristics?How is Goku's appearance being distinguished by readers any different from anyone else, including Nagisa, having appearance that distinguish them?
This Nagisa's looks discussion is starting to go around in circles so I'll try write my opinion clearly in order to end it:
I don't think that having the main character of a series looking like a girl for no particular reason other than "to stand out" is good design.
If it was classmate#7 I'd probably not even care but since it's the main character I think it's a flaw.
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Dude, calm your tits. I'm not flipping any shit, I simply stated my thoughs on Nagisa's design: I think it's bad.
People responded to the comment I made and I responded back, that's how a talk goes. I didn't demand any answers nor am I offended by Nagisa's looks.And I'm not overestimating my knowledge nor did I say that Bakuman is god-almighty of how Jump works, I was talking about character design (on any media, not just japanese comic books for young boys) and gave a couple of examples: one of them being a scene in Bakuman, because it's a recent and popular series that explained that point really well, and the other being two western tv series with a couple of hundred episodes each, try watching them sometime.
I don't know what the author was thinking when he designed Nagisa like that, what are his plans for the character or what he talked with his editor. Maybe there are real reasons to why Nagisa has the face of a girl or maybe it's just because.This Nagisa's looks discussion is starting to go around in circles so I'll try write my opinion clearly in order to end it:
I don't think that having the main character of a series looking like a girl for no particular reason other than "to stand out" is good design.
If it was classmate#7 I'd probably not even care but since it's the main character I think it's a flaw.
How is it any different than giving Goku ridiculous hair in order to stand out? Thats the question you've been sidestepping
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How is it any different than giving Goku ridiculous hair in order to stand out? Thats the question you've been sidestepping
Because spiky hair doesn't make boy-Goku look like a girl. Goku could have hair like Gohan, Yamcha or Vegeta, that would make him stand out without changing the perception you have of the character: a young boy with messy hair.
Then you have his simple clothes and and staff on his back, so you know that he comes from a simply life and that he does some sort of fighting. (I had a chapter one Goku image on my mind when I wrote this, btw)
Other examples: Kenshin, looks skinny and weak, with some female-ish features but he has that crossed shaped scar in his cheek so you know he's probably not that weak and that he has seen some action.
Tsuna from Reborn! is skinny and wimpy looking because he has such big round eyes, the spiky hair is probably just a mixture of making him stand out and shounen troupe. Yet he clearly looks like a boy because his big round eyes don't look like the girls' round eyes and he has stronger/straigther jaw lines.
Sena from Eyeshield 21 is just like Tsuna.
Then comes AssClass, where you got everybody reading the first chapter and then asking "Was that boy or a girl?".
Nagisa's story is just the same as Sena's: it's a wimpy looking boy that turns out to have a great skill and will learn to reach his limits with it. And yet Murata's design never once made people wonder if Sena was a boy or a girl.
If Nagisa having all the face features of a girl is not important to the story other than to make him look weak/wimpy then I think it's a bad design, because he's not the first wimpy looking main character that turns out to be really strong/good at something but he's the first that would be a girl if the author decided to swap the school uniforms.
And sorry for sidestepping a question, I though I was making my opinion in a clearer way.
Man your fixation and differentiation between gender features and hairstyle features is pretty weird…
It sounds like you have something against boys that look girly, they exist in the real world, too. And I don't just mean people that deliberately go for it, especially at that age.
His design outline was probably making him unsuspecting and weak looking, design mission accomplished.
Your whole argument boils down to it's bad because he could be a girl, that's soooooo weird... I can't even compute how that connects. I just to be safe I'm not putting your opinion down or anything just saying that it feels so alien to me.
It's like someone telling me that an alaskan malamute looks bad because it looks like a wolf although it's a dog.
Togashi would probably appear in your dictionary as description for troll.
I hate you all, seriously.
I just said I did not like his design and explained why. People kept quoting me and since I had already fully stated my opinion in my first post of the conversation and I could only state it again and now I'm the one with issues.
I don't care about boys who look girly in the real world. I'm not talking about the real world, I'm talking about a fictional story. In the real world everything is random in a fictional story it's not.
Every little thing that appears in a story is because it crossed the authors mind, if they talk about this or they do that it's because in someway it's important to the story, maybe because it advances the plot, maybe because it builds the characters or the world they live in.
And Togashi does have male characters that look like girls, like Kurapika (which even uses his girly looks to disguise himself as a girl in York Shin arc) or Neferpitou (altough Nerfepitou is a chimera-ant so they don't really have sex organs like humans, but I'm digressing), and I have no trouble with that because they're not the main character. They're very important characters but they're not the center of the story. Any other character, from the best friend to the villain or fishmonger that appears for two scenes in one chapter, can be as zany and wacky as you want but the main character must be clearly and easily recognized as what it is.
If Nagisa's look turn out to be somewhat important or at least used in some plot point in the future, I'll stop thinking it's bad design because it had a purpose. If Nagisa was the target of jokes about his girly look every other chapter like he was in the last one I wouldn't think it was bad design because it was something relevant to the story.
But we've been readin this for almost a year and there was one or two light mentions to his looks, so I consider it a bad design.
P.S. An husky looks like a wolf because dogs evolved from wolves and it's one of the races that stayed closer to it's original looks. It makes sense and is in no way related to how to build a story and characters.
It's just really funny is all because i don't think any character designer in the world cares about this the way you do or would consider something a bad flaw for being non-normative, whether or not you consider it something super minor and were just throwing the original comment out as a throwaway line of a post
It's just inexplainably nonsense which is why we keep laughing at it
Like if it's really bothering you at this point, we can drop it so you can stop feeling like you have to try to defend it, because sometimes people come up with half-baked ideas on the fly and get stuck defending them and it's embarrassing to be in that position on a forum, so we can all move on. But it didn't make it any less hilarious of a nonsense flaw which is why it was really hard to let that comment go and why we kept coming back to it
Nagisa's character design certainly beats
@The:
It's just really funny is all because i don't think any character designer in the world cares about this the way you do or would consider something a bad flaw for being non-normative, whether or not you consider it something super minor and were just throwing the original comment out as a throwaway line of a post
It's just inexplainably nonsense which is why we keep laughing at it
Like if it's really bothering you at this point, we can drop it, because sometimes people come up with half-baked ideas on the fly and get stuck defending them and it's embarrassing to be in that position on a forum, so we can all move on. But it didn't make it any less hilarious of a nonsense flaw which is why it was really hard to let that comment go and why we kept coming back to it
If a character designer doesn't care about every detail then he's probably not one of the best. Good design doesn't have stuff thrown into it just because and it's about giving people information the best way possible.
My problem is not about it being outside of the norm, art and design get famous for breaking the norms and that's good because it keeps expanding the world. But there are good ways to break the norm which take the works to new levels and bad ways to break the norm which make a work worse than it should/could be.
I stated my opinion because someone said Nagisa was comfirmed as male, then somebody asked why I had that opinion and we had a little conversation about it. Then instead of saying "well, we don't actually agree or care about that detail but we can see where you're coming from", people kept asking "why?" and I answered and then someone asked "why?" again and answered it too, and it kept going until now.
And I didn't make up any idea on the fly, in fact I only mentioned one opinion, the rest of the posts where just examples to what I had said.
And I'd already said that Nagisa's look stopped bothering me after the first 10 or so chapters when I realized what was wrong and got used to it. I don't read the chapters shouting to the skys "Why?! Why would someone do this?!" yet I still maintain my opinion: a main character that leaves it's readers wondering if it's a boy on a girl for no purpose is bad design. (if I had though of this last setence when this all started I think the rest of the discussion would never happen)
I wanted to drop this after I gave examples to my opinion the first time, I've probably repeated the same thing 3 times now. If anyone still doesn't get what I mean, feel free to re-read my posts.
Nagisa's character design certainly beats
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I'm not familiar with those characters, you gotta throw a couple of names or explanations please.
a main character that leaves it's readers wondering if it's a boy on a girl for no purpose is bad design
And we're not understanding why you're drawing that conclusion. Again, androgynous people exist. So what?
See, I've said this two posts ago. I'm just repeating myself.
"I don't care about boys who look girly in the real world. I'm not talking about the real world, I'm talking about a fictional story. In the real world everything is random in a fictional story it's not.
Every little thing that appears in a story is because it crossed the authors mind, if the characters talk about this or they do that it's because in someway it's important to the story, maybe because it advances the plot, maybe because it builds the characters or the world they live in."
If it's not important to the story then it shouldn't be there, if it shouldn't be there it's a flaw.
C'mon guys, you're all here because you read One Piece. Do you know why everyone that reads it say it's such a good story? Because everything has a purpose, making the plot move or building a character, most of the time it's both. Oda doesn't trhow random shit at the pages because he's a good author.
If Nagisa's look turn out to be somewhat important or at least used in some plot point in the future, I'll stop thinking it's bad design because it had a purpose.
But it already did lol
http://www.mangareader.net/assassination-classroom/41/3
Anyway, just look up a pic of the author. The reason most of his characters are rarely muscular is because he's basing them on his own physique.
See, I've said this two posts ago. I'm just repeating myself.
"I don't care about boys who look girly in the real world. I'm not talking about the real world, I'm talking about a fictional story. In the real world everything is random in a fictional story it's not.
Every little thing that appears in a story is because it crossed the authors mind, if the characters talk about this or they do that it's because in someway it's important to the story, maybe because it advances the plot, maybe because it builds the characters or the world they live in."If it's not important to the story then it shouldn't be there, if it shouldn't be there it's a flaw.
C'mon guys, you're all here because you read One Piece. Do you know why everyone that reads it say it's such a good story? Because everything has a purpose, making the plot move or building a character, most of the time it's both. Oda doesn't trhow random shit at the pages because he's a good author.
Why, are Buggy's hat's pigtails totally important to the story? Was Tilestone's inability to speak quietly a huge gamebreaker to the Void Century mystery? Why can't Nagisa just have a quirk? A quirk with some measure of verisimilitude, at that.
I'm sorry but "If it's not important to the story then it shouldn't be there, if it shouldn't be there it's a flaw." is so broad as to be stupid. It's not as though Oda doesn't indulge in scenes or characteristics that are just there to color the world a bit.
@Señor:
But it already did lol
http://www.mangareader.net/assassination-classroom/41/3
Anyway, just look up a pic of the author. The reason most of his characters are rarely muscular is because he's basing them on his own physique.
I'll repeat myself again:
Weak physique is not girly just by itself. Tsuna from Reborn! and Sena from Eyeshield 21 are wimpy too and don't look like girls.
This is another reason I think Nagisa has a bad design, because I've seen the concept of a weak boy made in a better way.
And makes Nagisa really look like a girl, more than the waist/shoulder ratio, the soft jaw lines or that silly hair, are the eyes. Man's eyes and women's eyes are different and in manga/anime those differences are made really clear.
If you compare the eyes from any/every male and female character in AssClass, you'll see that Nagisa eyes are drawn in the female style and not in the male style.
Why, are Buggy's hat's pigtails totally important to the story? Was Tilestone's inability to speak quietly a huge gamebreaker to the Void Century mystery? Why can't Nagisa just have a quirk? A quirk with some measure of verisimilitude, at that.
I'm sorry but "If it's not important to the story then it shouldn't be there, if it shouldn't be there it's a flaw." is way too broad. It's not as though Oda doesn't indulge in scenes or characteristics that are just there to color the world a bit.
But now you're talking about secondary characters, and I'll repeat myself saying that those can be as zany and wacky as you want. And Buggy's hair style doesn't build the world, it builds the character. The way you decide to dress yourself can say a lot about you.
Luffy has quirks too, but since he's the main character (this is important, repeating myself again, if Nagisa was classmate#7 I would not care but he's the central character of the story) his quirks are explained. He got a scar under his eye because he wanted to prove himself strong, he names his attacks after guns because he once said his punch would be powerful as a pistol, he dresses in a simple way because he's a care-free guy.
I'm remembering another example with Gon, from Hunter X Hunter. He never loses at rock-paper-scisors. If he was any secondary character it would just be a quirk but since he's the main one it's because he throws his sign 0.1 seconds later than his opponent because despite not being a mathematical genius when it comes to "fighting" he can use some tricks of his own. And if he always won at rock-paper-scisors just by luck, that would matter too.
Going back to Nagisa's case, in the real world boys who look like girls and girls who look like boys get commented on that because gender identification and sex are important. And how they react to those comments and/or jokes is important to who they are and how they will be when they grow up. Even if their response is that they don't care what people say, that is important.
Repeating myself again: the story isn't over and maybe it will reflect on Nagisa's look somewhere over the line. If that happens then Nagisa has a perfectly acceptable design if that does not happen then Nagisa could have had a better design, in my opinion of course.
Okay like look you gotta understand here the way you continuously are wording this is like some serious foot in mouth and it has little to do with AssClass directly at this point (I keep wanting to ignore this, but we're inbetween chapters anyways so I'm cool with this derail for another while) because you just do not get it and I'm not sure if you ever will. Amongst half of it:
a main character that leaves it's readers wondering if it's a boy on a girl for no purpose is bad design.
If it's not important to the story then it shouldn't be there, if it shouldn't be there it's a flaw
Going back to Nagisa's case, in the real world boys who look like girls and girls who look like boys get commented on that because gender identification and sex are important. And how they react to those comments and/or jokes is important to who they are and how they will be when they grow up. Even if their response is that they don't care what people say, that is important.
ANY TIME WE HAVE A CHARACTER WHO GOES AGAINST SOME PERCEIVED NORM WE HAVE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THIS OR IT'S FUCKIN WORTHLESS EVERYTHING MUST HAVE MEANING EVERYTHING MUST HAVE PURPOSE
Disregarding how selective you are with it (and that is putting it mildly), it's only reinforced by your own gaze and it's just really silly. If anything ever comes out of Nagisa's appearance (like he puts on a dress and infiltrates the worlds most important assassination sleepover IDGAF), I wouldn't even consider it fulfilling whatever meaningful plan you want unraveled by it. Gon being good at rock paper scissors is meaningful but Nagisa looking feminine and not utilizing it as a skill, or having it define him as a character is bad?
It's the complete opposite yo. Not defining characters by their deviations from the norm is pretty much a good thing and using those deviations as like their singular identity, or something that has severely disadvantaged them, or being some heavy role in defining them is tiring
Alternatively: Let Nagisa be the most pointlessly sexually confusing character for straight male gaze and let it rule your rebellious boners.
@The:
Not defining characters by their deviations from the norm is pretty much a good thing and using those deviations as like their singular identity, or something that has severely disadvantaged them, or being some heavy role in defining them is tiring
Exactly. It's like I said before, Nagisa's character design is not only fine but might even bolster many boys who are similarly androgynous precisely because the series doesn't make a huge deal out of it.
But a boy looking like a girl is important if it's the main character because we're following the world through their eyes.
Boys that look like girls always get teased or made the target of jokes at some point, or even boys that look like boys are sometimes the target of a "haha, you're a girl" joke. And how they react to that is important to define the character.
I'm not just talking, I know at least a couple of guys that looked girly when growing up or that were wimpy-ish and got to be called girly at one point or another. Some would get really mad and try to fight people, some would get sad and go away and some would not care. I'm guessin there are people who would react in even more different ways.
But gender recognicion is important when growing up and it influences the type of person you became when you grow up.
I don't need/want Nagisa's look to be the most important point of the story but I think it should have some sort of mention. They have a whole school of kids who despise class E and not one of them ever called Nagisa a girl? How would he react? Would he just ignore it? Would he get sad? Would he unleash all his killer instinct and scare the shit out of them? I think that would give us more insight to the main character which tends to be important.
I get that you guys don't care about such detail, that's fine by me. I personally think such detail could be better used in the story, that's my personal opinion and that's simply what I stated.
I found a lot of things funny in this series and overall I think it's working but on this detail I think it should have been handled better. Can I keep my opinion, pretty please?
1.But a boy looking like a girl is important if it's the main character because we're following the world through their eyes.
Boys that look like girls always get teased or made the target of jokes at some point, or even boys that look like boys are sometimes the target of a "haha, you're a girl" joke. And how they react to that is important to define the character.
I'm not just talking, I know at least a couple of guys that looked girly when growing up or that were wimpy-ish and got to be called girly at one point or another. Some would get really mad and try to fight people, some would get sad and go away and some would not care. I'm guessin there are people who would react in even more different ways.
3.But gender recognicion is important when growing up and it influences the type of person you became when you grow up.I don't need/want Nagisa's look to be the most important point of the story but I think it should have some sort of mention. They have a whole school of kids who despise class E and not one of them ever called Nagisa a girl? How would he react? Would he just ignore it? Would he get sad? Would he unleash all his killer instinct and scare the shit out of them? I think that would give us more insight to the main character which tends to be important.
I get that you guys don't care about such detail, that's fine by me. I personally think such detail could be better used in the story, that's my personal opinion and that's simply what I stated.
I found a lot of things funny in this series and overall I think it's working but on this detail I think it should have been handled better. Can I keep my opinion, pretty please?
1. I don't think that's important not even if it's a main character, I don't get why you think that. Also like gliblord mentions there exists something like pointlessness by design, it's called quirks. Those things ironically add something to characters.
2. It's 2013 and jokes get old not that it was even the best to begin with.
3. Yes and no, it's certainly a great factor when you grow up like many other things it does not have to define what person you become.
4. Certainly, I'm not quiet sure about all the posters but I generally got the feeling that no one actively tried to change your opinion we are all just baffled and none of your explanation changed that.
4. Certainly, I'm not quiet sure about all the posters but I generally got the feeling that no one actively tried to change your opinion we are all just baffled and none of your explanation changed that.
Just. This.
I don't even know what the fuss is all about. He doesn't like Nagisa's look or something? And then, he linked some social-real world issues to go with it?
Give it a break, dude.
Saw the RAW:
! so AI (what's this girl's name? She looks like Ai from Neuro.) is in a swimming club and is followed around by a parasitic member of her club? Im all for catfights, but with koro intervening, what's he gonna do? Drown her?? I hope it's not another competition thing, it gets pretty dull quickly.
! I think I'm kinda late to understand this mangas plot, but basically I think we will get each and every student's backstory before we go to the main-plot (assassinating koro). So far, how many students have we covered? Man… I need to reread this manga.
Honestly…anything that Nagisa draws trumps whatever HJ/WT artists can draw.
Honestly…anything that Nagisa draws trumps whatever HJ/WT artists can draw.
You mean Matsui, don't ya' )
You mean Matsui, don't ya' )
yes I'm a dizzy fellow. Yes, Matsui and that includes everything he drew in Neuro.
1. I don't think that's important not even if it's a main character, I don't get why you think that. Also like gliblord mentions there exists something like pointlessness by design, it's called quirks. Those things ironically add something to characters.
2. It's 2013 and jokes get old not that it was even the best to begin with.
3. Yes and no, it's certainly a great factor when you grow up like many other things it does not have to define what person you become.
4. Certainly, I'm not quiet sure about all the posters but I generally got the feeling that no one actively tried to change your opinion we are all just baffled and none of your explanation changed that.
1. That's my problem with it. If it's pointless it's not good design. I don't think a main character should have pointless stuff because it's the one character that has to carry the rest of the story on it's back.
A main character having useless quirks is bad writting and bad design in my opinion.
2/3. I don't think it's the most important thing ever. I should probably have said "it can influence how you grow up". But from my personal experience, there where always one or two episodes where that was an important factor, since Nagisa is the main character it should get some mention, despite not being what defines him.
Look at Tyrion from Game of Thrones, being a dwarf is not what defines him. He is a well written and complete character but there are sometimes and situations where is look is mentioned and how he reacts to those comments lets you know alot more about his character. That's a well written main character with a well used quirk.
4.No one said "change your opinion" directly but people kept insisting on commenting it. Even after I repeated myself 3 times no one said "fine, I don't share your opinion but I see you have your reasons that are different than mine because you're a different person, carry on", so I assume they were expecting something in my speach to change. Either that or they were just having fun at pointing to a person with a different opinion.
1. That's my problem with it. If it's pointless it's not good design. I don't think a main character should have pointless stuff because it's the one character that has to carry the rest of the story on it's back.
A main character having useless quirks is bad writting and bad design in my opinion.2/3. I don't think it's the most important thing ever. I should probably have said "it can influence how you grow up". But from my personal experience, there where always one or two episodes where that was an important factor, since Nagisa is the main character it should get some mention, despite not being what defines him.
Look at Tyrion from Game of Thrones, being a dwarf is not what defines him. He is a well written and complete character but there are sometimes and situations where is look is mentioned and how he reacts to those comments lets you know alot more about his character. That's a well written main character with a well used quirk.4.No one said "change your opinion" directly but people kept insisting on commenting it. Even after I repeated myself 3 times no one said "fine, I don't share your opinion but I see you have your reasons that are different than mine because you're a different person, carry on", so I assume they were expecting something in my speach to change. Either that or they were just having fun at pointing to a person with a different opinion.
Why does Zoro have green hair? It's pointless. Your point being?
There is nothing essentially differentiating Nagisa's unique looks from any other examples of protagonist having unique looks.
He just doesn't want to outright say "I just don't like it, unlike the other characters" and trying to justify his reasoning with… blah blah.
The problem being, the blah blah makes no sense, therefore failing to justify the reasoning.
Shoulda just stuck to a much simpler preference card, which requires no justification whatsoever.