He's supposedly stuck in dragon form because the fruit was a failure. Vegapunk created the fruit.
Oh that sucks lol, if he could change at will imagine how badass that would be.
He's supposedly stuck in dragon form because the fruit was a failure. Vegapunk created the fruit.
Oh that sucks lol, if he could change at will imagine how badass that would be.
Oh that sucks lol, if he could change at will imagine how badass that would be.
Chopper might help with that.
cnet CHOSE to interpret that as "first mate", since that is the second-in-command to a captain.
But he's making an ASSUMPTION, not a translation.That's fine and all, but it doesn't MEAN a vice-captain or first mate.
We're talking about bounties here, and 2番手 is a ranking like in a race. A second-place person.
It can just as well mean "He's only the second highest and he's 120 million. That says volumes about the captain…"
(or equally, He's the second strongest and he's 120 million, etc). Nibante does not mean first mate.
Thanks for elucidate us !
This all started because people suggested Jinbe be Luffy's First Mate or Vice Captain.
Seriously ? He isn't even a nakama, how can he be the first mate ?
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Seriously ? He isn't even a nakama, how can he be the first mate ?
Because many people think he will join, but they are scratching their brains over what his position will be.
First mate? Helmsman? Seafood?
Because many people think he will join, but they are scratching their brains over what his position will be.
First mate? Helmsman? Seafood?
I imagine he'd get an unconventional position, like Zoro's "swordsman," if he gets a proper one at all.
Unless there's suddenly decides they should get like, a boatswain or quartermaster, there aren't any functional roles to fill anymore. The only obvious one is helmsman and that's basically been covered by Franky ever since they changed ships.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear before and it ignited this… discussion again. I think that, just as Oda took elements from several of his prototype Strawhats and distributed them to other characters, the element of the veteran pirate (who was an ex-captain, I think?) was a strong hint to Jinbe. I didn't explicitly say this either, but most of what was told to us through Green has been integrated into the crew. Except for the veteran pirate thing. Oda is generally way too careful about letting things slip.I'm told his wife doesn't even know how One Piece will end.
We should probably be looking for someone around the Franky/Robin/Brook level of strength.
Brook was a veteran pirate and an ex captain.
Brook's captain was Yorki, he himself was not a captain. And although he is a veteran pirate, he was never in the NW before now.
Brook's captain was Yorki, he himself was not a captain. And although he is a veteran pirate, he was never in the NW before now.
Brook became captain after Yorki's death.
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Brook was a veteran pirate and an ex captain.
spent 50 years doing nothing much. He was outdated.
Dunno why people like the idea of Momo joining the crew. he is a small kid… Either he is an absolutely super human who can take later on people at the war much older than him or I see no use for him.
I really can't see it... But who knows... Maybe Luffy will be different from Shanks, who hasn't took small brats into his crew
Dunno why people like the idea of Momo joining the crew. he is a small kid… Either he is an absolutely super human who can take later on people at the war much older than him or I see no use for him.
I really can't see it... But who knows... Maybe Luffy will be different from Shanks, who hasn't took small brats into his crew
You pretty much said it already, it all depends on whether Momo in his dragon form has any fighting capabilities. If not, he will definitely not join.
After these past years of reading forum posts and watching YT videos, I've discovered that almost any new minor character will be nominated as a new nakama even if the nominees clearly don't seem like a good choice. Momo joining would totally take away from Chopper's role as the lil kid on the crew. Chopper's the baby Strawhat and Japan loves him. There's no need in having another cute small animal in the crew.
Dunno why people like the idea of Momo joining the crew. he is a small kid… Either he is an absolutely super human who can take later on people at the war much older than him or I see no use for him.
I really can't see it... But who knows... Maybe Luffy will be different from Shanks, who hasn't took small brats into his crew
What if Momonosuke is the cabin boy? He doesn't have to do any fighting he just helps out on the ship and comes along for the ride, like Buggy and Shanks on Roger's ship.
Dunno why people like the idea of Momo joining the crew. he is a small kid… Either he is an absolutely super human who can take later on people at the war much older than him or I see no use for him.
I really can't see it... But who knows... Maybe Luffy will be different from Shanks, who hasn't took small brats into his crew
He is a Dragon Zoan. That's already some nice potential right there. Better than his father, who brings nothing new in terms of fighting style.
However, neither of them will probably join. They feel too much like Vivi and Carue.
What if Momonosuke is the cabin boy? He doesn't have to do any fighting he just helps out on the ship and comes along for the ride, like Buggy and Shanks on Roger's ship.
Just that Shanks and Buggy were potrayed as much older compared to Momonosuke… And as seen in flashbacks they were always ready to fight... But I can't really see an obivious small child fighting a war with full of veteran pirates left and right... Would look ackward... And I doubt we always get kids now to fight in arcs as for example the small girl from DoFla
Shanks said to Luffy he is too young to join back than and Momo for sure doesn't look much older.
But I give the point to his DF... His FAILED Devil fruit has a lot of story power and I really want to know a way to "cure" him of this "failure".
But maybe Oda will really do it and we have some super child from Wano who is a failed pink Dragon.
His father would be proud of him
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Seriously ? He isn't even a nakama, how can he be the first mate ?
More of a nakama than Vivi imo.
Since A. He's actually coming back to join.
And B. He'll be more useful.
After these past years of reading forum posts and watching YT videos, I've discovered that almost any new minor character will be nominated as a new nakama even if the nominees clearly don't seem like a good choice. Momo joining would totally take away from Chopper's role as the lil kid on the crew. Chopper's the baby Strawhat and Japan loves him. There's no need in having another cute small animal in the crew.
People will always nominate characters who they find cool for some reason, in most cases it is not a profound nomination but in some cases it is and personally, i think that Momo belongs to the latter. Like Kishido already mentioned above, his current situation or rather dilemma has the potential to build up three different arcs, namely Wa No, DD and Vegapunk who, as we know, is the creator of Momo´s failed fruit. Momo coming from a country in which dragons are hated is an excellent opportunity to address the audience emotionally and his connection with DD is as much interesting as Law´s past with DD, at least for me.
Besides, Chopper, being 17 years old, definitely is not the kid of the crew anymore.
The failed fruit is realyl the most interesting stuff together with the Smiles… Did CC was able to get rid of the "failure" the fruit of Momo is or not?
If not what will be the failure be and will he ever transform back to his normal status?
Well, I definitely like Momo - like you've said, he has a lot of interesting stuff about him, namely his failed Devil Fruit, his birthplace and his connection with Doflamingo.
Hence, I would definitely enjoy seeing more of him, and I would like him to travel with the Straw Hats for a while. But joining permanently… That is a different matter. Not that I would mind it at all but he would have to show more than what he has so far. He has to be useful in some way, that is.
i read the previous 4 pages of this thread…with that said:
aokiji will be refrigerator of the crew if ever. LOL
i read the previous 4 pages of this thread…with that said:
aokiji will be refrigerator of the crew if ever. LOL
Ha yea pretty funny isn't it. The best argument people have for said character joining is always to try and "make" a position be needed on the crew that said person would fill perfectly. When Perona was around it was "we need an amazing scout" and thus with her ghosting powers she could scout out way ahead. Jimbei has big support for being a helmsmen, vice captain, and underwater guru. We don't need any of those positions, we dont' need any new positions. But people will say we do in order for others to agree that the position needs to be filled and their canidate fits the bill
He is a Dragon Zoan. That's already some nice potential right there. Better than his father, who brings nothing new in terms of fighting style.
However, neither of them will probably join. They feel too much like Vivi and Carue.
Momo's father has impressed and intrigued both Brook and Zoro with his sword flame cutting techniques. So he is a unique a swordsman as either Brook or Zoro is.
But whatever, basically every character in the entire series could be considered crewmate material if they had to have a unique fighting style. Oda is pretty good on not making two people alike.
Besides, Chopper, being 17 years old, definitely is not the kid of the crew anymore.
Chopper's new age doesn't seem to have a drastic effect on his child like behavior. Hell, even when he was 15 Chopper still behaved as if he were 8. Age plays no factor when the behavior stays the same. Can you imagine IF someone younger than Chopper were to join while Chopper maintains his current behavior? I'd imagine the readers would begin to grow weary of Chopper's child like antics and would be screaming for him to "grow up". Chopper would be perceived as immature rather than adorable**.**
Chopper's new age doesn't seem to have a drastic effect on his child like behavior. Hell, even when he was 15 Chopper still behaved as if he were 8. Age plays no factor when the behavior stays the same. Can you imagine IF someone younger than Chopper were to join while Chopper maintains his current behavior? I'd imagine the readers would begin to grow weary of Chopper's child like antics and would be screaming for him to "grow up". Chopper would be perceived as immature rather than adorable**.**
I beg to differ. If momo joined, Chopper would still just look like Momo's teddy bear. Chopper looks like he is 8 years old, it doesn't matter that his actual age is much higher.
I beg to differ. If momo joined, Chopper would still just look like Momo's teddy bear.
LOL and you're okay with Chopper being reduced to just a teddy? As Oda stated before, the SH are a family and C****hopper is the little brother. This merits Chopper with a human trait. He deserves to be viewed as a person not a toy. Having Momo or anyone else younger would change that. There would be two characters with child like behaviors which would be redundant and would make the other's place less special.
Chopper looks like he is 8 years old, it doesn't matter that his actual age is much higher.
Indeed. That was exactly the point I made in the post you replied to. Age doesn't matter and Chopper will always be seen as the little kid
From what little we have sen of Momo, he seems to act like his dad. So you would have a 12 year old acting like a 40 year old. or however old momo is. So no you would not have two people with childlike behavior. Besides what is wrong with having two younger people? We have plenty of older people. Why can there be 8 old people yet only 1 young person?
But as I said Momo is a little kid who acts like an old man, so its different from everyone else.
I can get why people want Momonosuke to join, but why the heck does anyone want a cabin boy? It seems like such a lame, lower-tier position to fill.
"Whoa, it's the Straw Hats! What roles do you fill?"-Random Bloke
"I'm the navigator!"-Nami
"I'm the musician!"-Brook
"I'm the cabin boy…"-Momo
From what little we have sen of Momo, he seems to act like his dad. So you would have a 12 year old acting like a 40 year old. or however old momo is. So no you would not have two people with childlike behavior.
I had addressed my issue on this in my previous post that you had replied to. Ima Re quote it:
"Can you imagine IF someone younger than Chopper were to join while Chopper maintains his current behavior? I'd imagine the readers would begin to grow weary of Chopper's child like antics and would be screaming for him to "grow up". Chopper would be perceived as immature rather than adorable."
Besides what is wrong with having two younger people? We have plenty of older people. Why can there be 8 old people yet only 1 young person?
I knew this argument was coming. Unlike the rest of the crew, Chopper's age plays a big role in his character. Sanji being a sex crazed lover makes him Sanji. Franky being an eccentric pervert makes him Franky. Being a kid is what makes Chopper, Chopper. The addition of another young character would take away a big part of what makes Chopper unique from the other characters.
yah know… all this talk about Momo joining and what 'role' he can do... I've not seen one yet.
PErsonally I don't think its likely of him joining, and think the following is even more unlikely, but Oda does like to throw us a curveball so will still bring this up since I've not seen someone say it yet.
Mangas have had child genius with swords - heck One Piece has had 2 = Zoro & Kuina. I've seen mangas (forgot the name) where an 8 yr old was an accomplisted swordsman (actually was a girl) and defeated many adults in real (not practice or dojo duels) swordfights
So Momo could actually be able to use that sowrd he was holding (read a few chapters before someone say he couldn't). Now I don't think he can fight the strong opponents in the New World, but hey in the first part of Grand Line, Usopp was often overpowered and needed help. Its just that he doesn't have to be a top tier fighter, Usopp wasn't that strong in the first half but he helped take care in other ways.
So instead of cabin boy or power monkey, Momo can be one of the bottom tier fighters
Oh don't try arguing "It's the New World!" I already said I know and its unlikely its just that people are saying other unlikely scenes so why not round it out and make a complete set?
Ha yea pretty funny isn't it. The best argument people have for said character joining is always to try and "make" a position be needed on the crew that said person would fill perfectly. When Perona was around it was "we need an amazing scout" and thus with her ghosting powers she could scout out way ahead. Jimbei has big support for being a helmsmen, vice captain, and underwater guru. We don't need any of those positions, we dont' need any new positions. But people will say we do in order for others to agree that the position needs to be filled and their canidate fits the bill
actually, instead of a position, it is cool to point that most strawhats have a skill/s that they are "really exceptional at"…i dont know if zoro's or luffy's counts though...like:
nami - weather reading, navigating
ussop - lying, running, sniping, adept at hearing and vision, resourcefulness
sanji - cooking, espionage, planning
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i agree with the guy who pointed out that momo would take away chopper's kid-cute-zoan persona of the crew.
i doubt strawhats really need a cabin boy...
if were talking about roles, the only things i can think of that would be kinda useful would be a real strategist/tactician (although nami can do it), a lookout (although zoro does it) and a shipcoater...
It's just weird if Momo joins. Kinemon is such a protective parent, it's hard to see how he'd let his only son join a pirate crew. Momo hasn't really developed as a character yet either, and I don't see him being particularly useful yet.
Hell, it's just weird having a kid on the crew period. Don't care if he's got mad fighting skills or if he acts mature or whatever, he's still a kid. Even Luffy Ace and Sabo realized they couldn't become pirates until they came of age, I don't know what would lead them to take up Momo and rob him of a childhood being raised up by a parent; something the Strawhats would respect. I guess I could see this if Kinemon really dies in the arc, leaving Momo free of his own decisions, but what are the chances that will actually happen?
Even if Kinemon dies, I really can't see Momo joining the crew. Not particularly developed yet, and kinda seems he would be a liability. At most, I see the Straw Hats taking him home to Wano to not only bury his father, but to help him through his grief and/or find another family member to care for him.
And if Kinemon turns out ok, he'll be the Carue to his dad's Vivi. A traveling ally but no more.
It's just weird if Momo joins. Kinemon is such a protective parent, it's hard to see how he'd let his only son join a pirate crew. Momo hasn't really developed as a character yet either, and I don't see him being particularly useful yet.
Hell, it's just weird having a kid on the crew period. Don't care if he's got mad fighting skills or if he acts mature or whatever, he's still a kid. Even Luffy Ace and Sabo realized they couldn't become pirates until they came of age, I don't know what would lead them to take up Momo and rob him of a childhood being raised up by a parent; something the Strawhats would respect. I guess I could see this if Kinemon really dies in the arc, leaving Momo free of his own decisions, but what are the chances that will actually happen?
That's what I meant… He is really too young to join and I seriously can't see him fighting people like the BB pirates later on... It just feels wrong. The trio waited till a certain age, Shanks refused to take Luffy cuz of his age and Shanks and Buggy were potrayed as much older in the flashbacks as Momo currently is.
It would be like Moccha joining the crew in her age... Either Oda will make him some super human kiddo who can take on pirates left and right or... well... Kinemon joins as well.
But well... Maybe that's why we have DoFla and the small girl...
Which I doubt heavily... I don't see any of them of them joining
Ha yea pretty funny isn't it. The best argument people have for said character joining is always to try and "make" a position be needed on the crew that said person would fill perfectly. When Perona was around it was "we need an amazing scout" and thus with her ghosting powers she could scout out way ahead. Jimbei has big support for being a helmsmen, vice captain, and underwater guru. We don't need any of those positions, we dont' need any new positions. But people will say we do in order for others to agree that the position needs to be filled and their canidate fits the bill
You just compared Jinbe's chance to join with Perona's. OMG I need some fresh air because my eyes are bleeding.
It's pretty funny how some people use "we" like they are part of the crew.
Y'know, some of the Straw Hats just have positions that are decided by their combat styles. Usopp is just a "sniper".
What if Jinbē is just going to be their karateka?
Even if Kinemon dies, I really can't see Momo joining the crew. Not particularly developed yet, and kinda seems he would be a liability. At most, I see the Straw Hats taking him home to Wano to not only bury his father, but to help him through his grief and/or find another family member to care for him.
And if Kinemon turns out ok, he'll be the Carue to his dad's Vivi. A traveling ally but no more.
Agree with this
Momo alone won't join but Kinemon won't die
Kinemon alone won't join as well
Both together for sure won't join
Vivi and Carue are really nice for them… Just that there are way more awesome.
Agree with this
Momo alone won't join but Kinemon won't die
Kinemon alone won't join as well
Both together for sure won't joinVivi and Carue are really nice for them… Just that there are way more awesome.
Nah, more like… Kinemon < Vivi < Momo < Carue.
Although, it's feasible that Momo becomes cooler than Carue. I mean really, a pink dragon.
Am I the only one who hated Vivi and Carue with a passion burning of a thousand suns?
Vivi > Kinemon Muahahahahahha
But to be honest… ever since Shirahoshi Vivi became a lot better in my eyes...
Am I the only one who hated Vivi and Carue with a passion burning of a thousand suns?
I've seen plenty of people rag on the former…..but I've never seen anybody toss Carue in the mix.
Vivi > Kinemon Muahahahahahha
This. I already like him way more even when he's only appeared in one arc.
I've seen plenty of people rag on the former…..but I've never seen anybody toss Carue in the mix.
Yeah, when I was little and One Piece was simpler,
I remember that there was a blue-haired lady and a FUCKIN' SPOT-BILLED DUCK on the crew.
You just compared Jinbe's chance to join with Perona's. OMG I need some fresh air because my eyes are bleeding.
I compared some peoples arguments for WHY Jimbei will join to Perona's. Not their chances.
Jimbei joining has absolutely nothing to do with needing a helmsmen, underwater guru, ect. He might not fill any position in the crew, and doesn't need to.
I was just stating that people's arguments for someone joining involve them "making up" a needed position because then they can "fill" that position with someone.
Am I the only one who hated Vivi and Carue with a passion burning of a thousand suns?
16 characters of plus one.
What made it even worse is that Vivi always tried to call shots,while being utterly useless.
Just face it already you scallywags! Jinbe will be their fishman.
I seriously can't see Luffy putting much thought into it anymore than that.
What would be even better is if he dubbed him the Strawhat's "Shichibukai".
Plus two here.
Also, the anime ruined her even more..
"DALTON-SAN!!!! DALTON-SANN!!!!
Vivi was cool beans to me :p
Hmm well are we counting Ms. Wednesday as separate from Vivi?
I used to want Ms. Wednesday to join …but not Princess Vivi :happy:
I liked her as Ms. Wednesday, at least she had some fighting spirit then but as soon as her identity was revealed to be a princess... BAM!... she was far weaker as a travelling princess than what she was as a Baroque Works agent. That ruined some potential. And when we think of her backstory she did have some potential...
She left her kingdom at age 14 to try to find out who was behind the country's troubles. In just 2 years, she had became a bounty hunter, infiltrated Baroque Works and worked her way up to become a 'numbered agent' (welll named in the female's cases) partnered to Mr. 9. That meant she had the 9th top spot for female agents, and in an orgizations that had thousands of agents, the top ranks could nto be the only area to find female agents.
Then BAM, its revealed she's Princess Vivi and she can'd do half of what we saw her do before as Ms. Wednesday
The main problem with Vivi is that her story centered too much around Alabasta.
It would of been quite the character contradiction if she would just been like "Welp Alabasta is safe ,time to go Pirating!".
Still can't believe people compare her situation to Jinbe's.
We're at 84 pages ,bet we can break 100 before the World ends.
The main problem with Vivi is that her story centered too much around Alabasta.
It would of been quite the character contradiction if she would just been like "Welp Alabasta is safe ,time to go Pirating!".
Still can't believe people compare her situation to Jinbe's.
We're at 84 pages ,bet we can break 100 before the World ends.
In a technical sense the Mayan calendar ran out months ago since they didn't use leap years (and thus missing a day every 4 yeards adds up after thousands of years)