How do you know its a mistranslation? Unless you speak Japanese…
I do, and it's a mistranslation. Happy?
How do you know its a mistranslation? Unless you speak Japanese…
I do, and it's a mistranslation. Happy?
Interesting, that would be the total if Kinemon AND Momo joined :ninja:
Do people not count Thousand Sunny as a crewmate?
I'm pretty sure its been established that the strawhats see their ship as a crewmate and the fact that the ship's have been seen to be sentient.
I actually would love to see baby 5 and sanji converse. That's the only reason I could see baby5 joining the crew. I also agree that Jinbe might as well be part of the crew at this point, it's just he has other business to take care of. That could change in the future, but that's my perspective as of right now. I also agree momo/mino are going to join SH temporarily until they reach wano island, or face BM.
It's a mistranslation.
Urouge said Zoro's a No.2 of his crew(he might ranked it base on the bounty or whatever). Urouge didn't use the word "First Mate" '@'
cnet128, one of the most reliable translators for One Piece translated Urouge's line as:
"Only the first mate, and yet he has a bounty of a hundred-and-twenty million… / He certainly doesn't seem the type to serve under another...... // I suppose that speaks volumes about the Captain........."
Here's the script: http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/637
cnet128, one of the most reliable translators for One Piece translated Urouge's line as:
"Only the first mate, and yet he has a bounty of a hundred-and-twenty million… / He certainly doesn't seem the type to serve under another...... // I suppose that speaks volumes about the Captain........."Here's the script: http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/637
And I'm a NATIVE Japanese speaker for nearly forty years.
Urouge said 二番手, literally, the "second one", number two. second place. etc.
cnet CHOSE to interpret that as "first mate", since that is the second-in-command to a captain.
But he's making an ASSUMPTION, not a translation.
The assumption may be correct, but it's not what's being said.
Do you understand? Or do you doubt my words too.
Oh wow, we're back to "ZORO IS/ISNT THE FIRST MATE". I swear this thread loops back in on itself ever few months.
Here's the image IN JAPANESE.
First mate is 副船長. Do you see it? No. Do you see the word 2番手? Yeah.
Oh wow, we're back to "ZORO IS/ISNT THE FIRST MATE". I swear this thread loops back in on itself ever few months.
FFS, I'm not saying he isn't. Zoro is obviously the acting first mate of Straw Hats.
I'm saying, Urouge's line cannot be used as proof of anything, because it's liberally interpreted, which for some reason, people hold as the holy bible over the actual original Japanese.
First mate is 副船長. Do you see it? No. Do you see the word 2番手? Yeah.
FFS, I'm not saying he isn't. Zoro is obviously the acting first mate of Straw Hats.
I'm saying, Urouge's line cannot be used as proof of anything, because it's liberally interpreted, which for some reason, people hold as the holy bible over the actual original Japanese.
Er, what else would he mean by number 2 though? I think this still qualifies as proof as I can't imagine how else to interpret it.
And I'm a NATIVE Japanese speaker for nearly forty years.
Urouge said 二番手, literally, the "second one", number two. second place. etc.
cnet CHOSE to interpret that as "first mate", since that is the second-in-command to a captain.
But he's making an ASSUMPTION, not a translation.The assumption may be correct, but it's not what's being said.
Do you understand? Or do you doubt my words too.
No sorry for doubting Aohige, I get it now
Er, what else would he mean by number 2 though? I think this still qualifies as proof as I can't imagine how else to interpret it.
That's fine and all, but it doesn't MEAN a vice-captain or first mate.
We're talking about bounties here, and 2番手 is a ranking like in a race. A second-place person.
It can just as well mean "He's only the second highest and he's 120 million. That says volumes about the captain…"
(or equally, He's the second strongest and he's 120 million, etc). Nibante does not mean first mate.
Regardless of whether Zoro is a first mate or not, you're making an assumption about a word, period.
You should add a "I am Japanese" line on your signature so people will eventually stop doubting your translations :|
You should add a "I am Japanese" line on your signature so people will eventually stop doubting your translations :|
That's obnoxious, and I make mistakes too. But I'll acknowledge when I do.
When I'm adamant about something though, there's conviction there for a reason.
That's fine and all, but it doesn't MEAN a vice-captain or first mate.
We're talking about bounties here, and 2番手 is a ranking like in a race. A second-place person.
It can just as well mean "He's only the second highest and he's 120 million. That says volumes about the captain…"Regardless of whether Zoro is a first mate or not, you're making an assumption about a word, period.
I don't understand why he would say it in that context though. I'll have to double check but even in the anime it's used in the context of "wow, he's only the vice and he's 120 million". It just makes a lot more sense than "Wow the second highest bounty of the crew is 120m that makes his crew impressive".
I'm not arguing the fact, I'm just stating the former makes more sense than the later.
edit: @you:
or equally, He's the second strongest and he's 120 million,
That makes a lot more sense
I feel your pain, Aohige-san.
It's annoying that some people want to label Zoro as an official first mate of the SH so bad… to the point that you can't even use "facts" to argue with them.
Just to say it one more time. The SH crew, at this moment, doesn't have a first mate. It's a fact, not an opinion. Get over it - -
Now back to the next nakama thing, shall we? '@'
I feel your pain, Aohige-san.
It's annoying that some people want to label Zoro as an official first mate of the SH so bad… to the point that you can't even use "facts" to argue with them.
Just to say it one more time. The SH crew, at this moment, doesn't have a first mate. It's a fact, not an opinion. Get over it - -
Now back to the next nakama thing, shall we? '@'
There is no "FACTS" that state Zoro is not the first mate. There just is not "facts" that flat out call him the first mate.
You have nothing that proves Zoro is not the first mate, just like the other side has nothing that proves without a doubt that he is.
I feel your pain, Aohige-san.
It's annoying that some people want to label Zoro as an official first mate of the SH so bad… to the point that you can't even use "facts" to argue with them.
Just to say it one more time. The SH crew, at this moment, doesn't have a first mate. It's a fact, not an opinion. Get over it - -
Now back to the next nakama thing, shall we? '@'
It's funny because I don't think the strawhats have label's like this. They have their own talents that create their own responsibilities. No one is higher up than the other, but obviously there are strength gaps. This music video sums it up pretty goddamn perfectly of how the strawhats work;
There is no "FACTS" that state Zoro is not the first mate. There just is not "facts" that flat out call him the first mate.
This is true as well, and Khaini makes a good point above.
SH simply doesn't really give two-shits about these official rankings and labels, other than "dude you're the captain!"
What's the big deal if Zoro is the first mate or not anyway.
What's so special about it? Does the first mate get a powerup, special privaledges, a badge on his shirt, ect. No
These are the things in favor of Zoro "being" the first mate.
1. He was the First crewMATE
2. Similarities with Rayleigh who was Roger's first mate
3. The times he has taken charge been assertive, ect.
4. The rest of the world mainly talks about only Luffy and Zoro when referring to crew, or worried about them most, ect. (mainly due to bounties I assume, though when he was smaller than Robin they still said him and not her)
Now as for against first mate talk
1. Never said specifically in exact words "first mate"
2. Nami also takes charge and assertive at times
So there is more in favor or leaning towards first mate than not, but again does it matter? It's like you guys are afraid that Zoro becomes more important if he is the first mate. Like the Chef no longer matters or the Doctor is irrelivent and they are just Fodder crew mates. Only the Captain and first mate matter. That is just bull, and probably why Oda never calls him that. Because of people like you guys that give the word more meaning that it is. A chef, doctor and navigator are crucial to the crews survival. A first mates is not. So who cares who is the first mate.
well the labeling comes from people here debating about next nakama since they want everyone to have different position/speciality which is kind of stupid imo. If you check the crew more carefully you will see that for the most part the member/speciality is true about the SH but there is the exception of Robin who has no role to fill in the ship. Her specially is assassination but since the SH dont do that she has no position .
Anyway about the First mate thing if you want to point out someone in that position that would be Zoro and Zoro alone for the fact that he is the first to join the crew . But the SH arent exactly a "normal" crew so the positioning has no meaning for them.
What's the big deal if Zoro is the first mate or not anyway.
What's so special about it? Does the first mate get a powerup, special privaledges, a badge on his shirt, ect. No
These are the things in favor of Zoro "being" the first mate.
1. He was the First crewMATE
2. Similarities with Rayleigh who was Roger's first mate
3. The times he has taken charge been assertive, ect.
4. The rest of the world mainly talks about only Luffy and Zoro when referring to crew, or worried about them most, ect. (mainly due to bounties I assume, though when he was smaller than Robin they still said him and not her)Now as for against first mate talk
1. Never said specifically in exact words "first mate"
2. Nami also takes charge and assertive at timesSo there is more in favor or leaning towards first mate than not, but again does it matter? It's like you guys are afraid that Zoro becomes more important if he is the first mate. Like the Chef no longer matters or the Doctor is irrelivent and they are just Fodder crew mates. Only the Captain and first mate matter. That is just bull, and probably why Oda never calls him that. Because of people like you guys that give the word more meaning that it is. A chef, doctor and navigator are crucial to the crews survival. A first mates is not. So who cares who is the first mate.
Define "you guys". I only care to shoot down the inaccuracies of the translation.
Oh and, Momo is clearly the crew's official pink scarf.
Define "you guys". I only care to shoot down the inaccuracies of the translation.
Oh and, Momo is clearly the crew's official pink scarf.
it would be kind of funny if momo joins the SHs and kinemon joins Laws crew :ninja:
This all started because people suggested Jinbe be Luffy's First Mate or Vice Captain.
So since it ain't official for Zoro ,what would you say if Oda gave this position to Jinbe?
Cries & moans Or cheers & Laughs?
This all started because people suggested Jinbe be Luffy's First Mate or Vice Captain.
So since it ain't official for Zoro ,what would you say if Oda gave this position to Jinbe?
Cries & moans Or cheers & Laughs?
Cries & moans because he is fat :ninja:.
This all started because people suggested Jinbe be Luffy's First Mate or Vice Captain.
So since it ain't official for Zoro ,what would you say if Oda gave this position to Jinbe?
Cries & moans Or cheers & Laughs?
there is no such position to give :blink: besides Jinbe role is strategist
I was thinking more in the line of emergency fish meat supply.
more like because nobody will take that position. And like i said not everyone has to fill a position Robin is just there for the ride . The positions were all filled after Brook joined
It's not like zoro wants that position anyway, just give him his required 3 S' and he'll be the bottom bitch for all he cares;
Saki
Sleep
Swords
It was always a mystery how the quality of a boner popped would depend on the lack of certainty around the character's official position and title.
We all know Luffy's simple mind will just recruit him as the Strawhat's "Fishman".
sounds kinda racist.
We all know Luffy's simple mind will just recruit him as the Strawhat's "Fishman".
sounds kinda racist.
Does that mean all we need is a black guy?
IMO Zoro is the 1st mate because of his parallels with Raleigh, the fact that he was the first to join Luffy's crew and this scene:
Honestly how he is so level headed and mature hear screams 1st mate.
What's the big deal if Zoro is the first mate or not anyway.
Guess it's my fault for having brought it up in the first place, but my original point in context was that there shouldn't be anyone new filling in a First Mate position, since I believe Zoro (and some have brought up Nami) fills that role, whether officially or not. You can have more than one swordsmen on the crew, you can't have more than one First Mates. As the order of succession goes, if Luffy is not present, the standing captain would most likely be Zoro.
So all in all, I didn't expect this to blow out into the whole Zoro is-isn't First Mate debate again. The point is there shouldn't be anyone new becoming First mate.
I just really want Kinemon to join, I like his character and the fact that he is a samurai from Wano! That, and he looks like he would fit right in….
As for First Mate, I don't even know why their is a debate. Zoro is clearly the First Mate, he was the first Luffy recruited. Luffy has known him the longest.
The first mate of the crew is clearly is Luffy and the Captain is the Strawhat.
there is no such position to give :blink: besides Jinbe role is strategist
Jinbe wouldn't be the strategist, he would be the helmsmen, Sanji already fills the strategists position unofficially
Chiming in here for the first time in ages, but, why does the crew really need a helmsman? Franky seems to have that on lock down.
That's obnoxious, and I make mistakes too. But I'll acknowledge when I do.
When I'm adamant about something though, there's conviction there for a reason.
That was a light-hearted comment, I didn't want to put it in the "I'm always right!" way.
Chiming in here for the first time in ages, but, why does the crew really need a helmsman? Franky seems to have that on lock down.
They really don't, but most fans prefer him to actually perform a function. After all, we wouldn't want him to be nothing more than a big fat piece of blue shit on the poop deck.
To be fair, Zoro mostly sleeps and works out. Occasionally he'll be lookout, but he has no real function to the ship as a whole. And technically, neither does Robin.
Besides, Jinbei would be invaluable in traversing the sea floor. Half the crew can't even swim.
Now that I think about it, the only "useful" characters on the boat are Nami, Franky, Sanji, and Chopper. Luffy/Ussop/Brook goof around, Zoro trains/sleeps, and Robin reads. Hm in fact, Jinbei might even be more useful than most of the crew members already present…haha...
I wonder what would Jinbe do in his spare time. Luffy sits on the helm and watches the sea, Zoro trains, Sanji cooks, Nami navigates and takes care of the money, Usopp fishes, Chopper reads about Medicine, Robin reads about History and current events, Franky takes care of the ship and Brook drinks some tea and usually breaks into song.
I'm guessing…..leisurely swims in the ocean and meditation?
He'd toke his bubble pipe of course.
Possibly practice Karate.
Bubble pipe. Bubble pipe all the way.
EDIT: Ninja'd :ninja:
I hadn't considered it until I read it here, but I really like the idea of Momo on the crew. He seems to have some personality issues that could use a little re-adjustment, but deep down he's a good guy (he was a bit rude and standoffish to the other kids at first, but when he heard they were in trouble he really wanted to help them).
Also I always assumed when Jinbei "joined the crew" it was more of an honorary thing - kind of like with Vivi, but I guess alot of people believe otherwise?
The Sunny does have a giant fish tank….
I hadn't considered it until I read it here, but I really like the idea of Momo on the crew. He seems to have some personality issues that could use a little re-adjustment, but deep down he's a good guy (he was a bit rude and standoffish to the other kids at first, but when he heard they were in trouble he really wanted to help them).
Also I always assumed when Jinbei "joined the crew" it was more of an honorary thing - kind of like with Vivi, but I guess alot of people believe otherwise?
I'm on chapter 675 so I'm not caught up yet but is Momo stuck in the dragon form? Or can he turn back human? Because shouldn't he be able to turn back into a human and to a dragon at will? If so that's one awesome devil fruit.
Momo will be Zoro's #1 fanboy
I'm on chapter 675 so I'm not caught up yet but is Momo stuck in the dragon form? Or can he turn back human? Because shouldn't he be able to turn back into a human and to a dragon at will? If so that's one awesome devil fruit.
He's supposedly stuck in dragon form because the fruit was a failure. Vegapunk created the fruit.