Chapter 697: "Transaction"
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I'm still banking on the fact that Buggy, even if he isn't a Shichibukai, is now the richest man in the One Piece World after finding Captain John's treasure. Since One Piece itself is heavily implied to not be something of monetary value, finding the second most valuable treasure has probably made him loaded. I can picture him and Galdino being really, really fat now and having their own island where they're waited on hand and foot.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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Zoro trained with Mihawk, who is the world's greatest swordsman.
The other supernovas spent time in the NW, battling powerful and experienced pirates. You could argue that experience is superior in enhancing a persons strength and ability than pure training -
@Fire Fist:
I'm still banking on the fact that Buggy, even if he isn't a Shichibukai, is now the richest man in the One Piece World after finding Captain John's treasure. Since One Piece itself is heavily implied to not be something of monetary value, finding the second most valuable treasure has probably made him loaded. I can picture him and Galdino being really, really fat now and having their own island where they're waited on hand and foot.
then i doubt we will find him in the NW, think about it he can live in the Paradise like a king! it would be much safer for him and he can use his title to protect him there, but in the NW he will get his ass kicked the Yonkou
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What do you mean who? You're the first person I have read who did not say Law > Luffy for some dumb reason. Everyone downplays Luffy and says his haki is inferior.
Luffy will prove that he is stronger than Law when it matters.And I'm sure as hell that if Smoker's haki could block Law's slashes,then Luffy should be able to do it too.
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Anything can happen, and if I can jinx it maybe it'll go away completely.
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It is me or is this post the most useless things ever? Go back and reread the Alabasta Arc, Impel Down, and Marineford before making a comment like this again. :getlost:
That CoC is a useless thing in NW is still something not decided. The point is that, aside the fact that only powerfull people has it (which makes of CoC just a tag) it has been proved efective only agains fodders. We haven't seen any other effect.
Aside the panels with Luffy and other using it to knock out fodders, we have the following sources of info about it: (i) the canonical explanation given by Rayleigh in chapter 597 and (ii) this answer from the SBS 65:
D: Luffy's haoshoku haki was able to affect 50,000 men, but how many would Shanks and the others be able to defeat? P.N. Captain Nobuo O: In exactly the same place and exact same situation as Luffy, Shanks or Rayleigh may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000. In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out.
So… only thing that I say is:
Please Oda, let CoC be a major power in the NW, please please please.... (because up to now, as hama138 says, it's useless against powerful rivals).
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Fodders can be annoying in large numbers and being able to knock them out with CoC can slim the numbers down. I find it can be a major power in the New World the stronger Luffy gets.
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Please Oda, let CoC be a major power in the NW, please please please…. (because up to now, as hama138 says, it's useless against powerful rivals).
Why would you want CoC to work against a "powerful rival"? Tell me you wouldn't be pissed if Luffy walked into a fight with a major rival, such as Eustass Kid, and dropped him without throwing a punch.
Fodder control is the perfect use for CoC and though it isn't anything special to look out anymore, it is incredibly convenient for crowd control.
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Why would you want CoC to work against a "powerful rival"? Tell me you wouldn't be pissed if Luffy walked into a fight with a major rival, such as Eustass Kid, and dropped him without throwing a punch.
Fodder control is the perfect use for CoC and though it isn't anything special to look out anymore, it is incredibly convenient for crowd control.
Well, in my case it is because haki is also a manifestation of will, and the main concept of the whole manga is precisely that: the will. So I have imagined an end with rivals all of them with a powerful will and involved in a major battle. The will of D is a reference on this theme and also the fact that only an small group of people has CoC. The ultimate battle with the strongests wills… as it could be.
I would be pissed if Luffy knock out everyone with CoC. But that it's not going to happen, so another amazing use of CoC is still possible inside a solid OP plot.
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I imagine Conqueror´s Haki between equally strong individuals (one with, one without) would be used as some sort of focus-breaker for a short moment to catch the target off-guard. It makes people faint so I believe it´s some sort of intense psychological pressure/stress the target feels. Maybe something like a sunburn/dehydratation-type of feeling, if I was comparing it to a "heat wave", when your mind feels heavy. No matter what the actual effect is, I think the targeted individual feels the "hit" even if he "resists" it to an extent.
To make the connection to the upcoming battles against Emperors, we can assume that Kaidou has Conqueror´s, so I was wondering if we´ll ever see it being used against the Strawhats and how they would react.
EDIT: Also Doflamingo explicitly told Monet to watch out for Luffy who has it, which would imply that Law doesn´t…not that it matters when he creates a large enough room to cut 50k in half with one slash...
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I'm still a bit confused at what each type of haki is the way you guys shorten it, CoC is King/Conqueror's haki I assume? For all the hype and it being so rare, I hope there's something else Luffy can explore (or perhaps even started to already) other than knocking out fodder. Doflamingo said Luffy might be stronger than Law and presumed so just because he has this type of haki, so I would imagine it has to have something a little extra.
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I feel like CoC is a staple for a certain level of willpower. By having this "skill" it allows every form of haki to be used at a master level skill. It's hard to explain but I feel like it's use isn't as important as it being a sign for powerful potential.
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I'm still a bit confused at what each type of haki is the way you guys shorten it, CoC is King/Conqueror's haki I assume?
CoA = Color of Armament
CoO = Color of Observation
CoC = Color of Conqueror
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I found Kaido!!
Top Right corner…. Don't look if you don't want the King of Beasts to be spoiled yet.
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beware
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@Joy:
Luffy will prove that he is stronger than Law when it matters.And I'm sure as hell that if Smoker's haki could block Law's slashes,then Luffy should be able to do it too.
Then how did Vergo's haki got beaten? Vergo >Smoker
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I found Kaido!!
Top Right corner…. Don't look if you don't want the King of Beasts to be spoiled yet.
! http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130121064124/onepiece/images/2/2e/Chapter_582.png
i can see crosses on his crown
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Then how did Vergo's haki got beaten? Vergo >Smoker
Not necessarily, Smoker and Vergo seemed evenly matched (aside from Vergo having better CoA) from what we saw of their fight. The only reason Smoker lost was because his objective was to get back Law's heart. Vergo mentioned that it was odd how Smoker was using his smoke so much, which made him a bigger target for a CoA user like Vergo. If Smoker's only objective was to beat Vergo, then he might have been able to do it.
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Even fodders of wightbeards crew survived coc.
Coc wont work on bew world even fodder pirates can survive this
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just to share (dont know if its relevant or what LOL)…but i presume if its will, maybe there is more to CoC than what it is right now,...and i could there had been hints (or maybe just coincidences) in the series about CoC being more than just "overcoming or overshadowing the will of your opponents" (shanks damaging the moby dick, whitebeard and shanks dividing the sky etc.)
1. maybe (just maybe) a really strong CoC can alter events
2. can give a huge power-up/boost/second wind
3. can change the weather?or something along those lines.
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I imagine Conqueror´s Haki between equally strong individuals (one with, one without) would be used as some sort of focus-breaker for a short moment to catch the target off-guard. It makes people faint so I believe it´s some sort of intense psychological pressure/stress the target feels. Maybe something like a sunburn/dehydratation-type of feeling, if I was comparing it to a "heat wave", when your mind feels heavy. No matter what the actual effect is, I think the targeted individual feels the "hit" even if he "resists" it to an extent.
This is exactly how I think it will be used in future 1 on 1 fights. Losing concentration for a second could be crucial in a fight, especially against a fast opponent like Luffy.
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Even fodders of wightbeards crew survived coc.
Coc wont work on bew world even fodder pirates can survive this
well even WB's fodder were like pirates worth 30.000.000 beri or so and we did see some faint though, remember like rockstar had a 99 mill bounty and seemed like the weakest member of shanks crew of course WB had more men but still think most of them were really good…
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What I always have been thinking was about something Rayleigh said.
Rayleigh explained that people mostly have an affinity for a certain type of Haki so they can exploit and develop it easier, and become stronger at it than normal.
If you think about it it seems pretty obvious Luffy's affinity would lie with the Conqueror's Haki, and what I always had in mind was that this makes it so that his other 2 types of Haki become stronger as well. Not as strong as somebody with an affinity for either of the two who develops it fully, but more than normal at least.Now that I'm on this topic I might as well continue shall I?
I expect Zoro's affinity to lie with the Observation Haki. It's the first type of Haki he ever showed possessing, in his fight with Daz Bones. Also Mihawk = Hawk Eyes, so it would seem logical that Mihawk's affinity lies with the Observation as well. Would be cool if Zoro had the same thing.
Finally (and optionally) Observation is just the type of Haki that fits well with swordsmen in my opinion, though some (or a lot of) people may argue that they find Armament better, which I'd understand and respect. -
Even fodders of wightbeards crew survived coc.
Coc wont work on bew world even fodder pirates can survive this
WB's crew in the past has also been shown to be vulnerable to Conqueror's Haki.
Remember this?:
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well even WB's fodder were like pirates worth 30.000.000 beri or so and we did see some faint though, remember like rockstar had a 99 mill bounty and seemed like the weakest member of shanks crew of course WB had more men but still think most of them were really good…
It's kind of off-topic, but Rockstar's bounty is actually 94 Million.
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Even fodders of wightbeards crew survived coc.
Coc wont work on bew world even fodder pirates can survive this
wrong.
seriously,this i've heard this "coc is useless" argument a lot,and everytime i think it's stupid.most people think of this as a superpower to knock put fodder.wheras they overpower them using their sheer will.it just shows their will,or determination.you either understand this concept,or just keep asking "what's the difference".
maybe i just suck at explaining.edit::ninja:ed.
and for the love of enel,zoro didn't use coo against daz bones.
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@Foxy:
It's kind of off-topic, but Rockstar's bounty is actually 94 Million.
well ok but it still gives a good picture of how powerful shanks crew is if he is part of the weakest…
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and for the love of enel,zoro didn't use coo against daz bones.
do you want me to give a panel by panel explaination?i will,if i have to.Please do, I fail to what else he would have used.
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hahahaha,finally a challenger.
crackle crackle
yosh,let's go:
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4795/one-piece_ch195_by_null/16
here we see zoro knowing the place where rocks don't fall.i would like to remind you that rocks are indeed not living things.then he senses his sword underneath a rock.again,a sword is not a living thing.
you should know that coo is only to be used for living things.so,he cannot in any possibility be said to be using coo at this point.http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4795/one-piece_ch195_by_null/17
here zoro is specifically saying he hears "breathing",not life.
he hears it from rocks,trees,land and daz's metal.aside from plants,none of those things are living.especially not land.this part is for proving it's not coa.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4795/one-piece_ch195_by_null/18
haki is only for gaining more strength.here zoro shows the concept of both "strength",by cutting up a rock,and "absence of strength",by not being able to cut even a branch.or do you think he was not able to cut a branch in one second,but cut a boulder the very next?this concludes my offtopic rant.it should have been in "general haki thread".
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hahahaha,finally a challenger.
crackle crackle
yosh,let's go:
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4795/one-piece_ch195_by_null/16
here we see zoro knowing the place where rocks don't fall.i would like to remind you that rocks are indeed not living things.then he senses his sword underneath a rock.again,a sword is not a living thing.
you should know that coo is only to be used for living things.so,he cannot in any possibility be said to be using coo at this point.http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4795/one-piece_ch195_by_null/17
here zoro is specifically saying he hears "breathing",not life.
he hears it from rocks,trees,land and daz's metal.aside from plants,none of those things are living.especially not land.this part is for proving it's not coa.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4795/one-piece_ch195_by_null/18
haki is only for gaining more strength.here zoro shows the concept of both "strength",by cutting up a rock,and "absence of strength",by not being able to cut even a branch.or do you think he was not able to cut a branch in one second,but cut a boulder the very next?this concludes my offtopic rant.it should have been in "general haki thread".
I don't want to be "that guy" who continues an off topic discussion, but first you say that he didn't use CoO, and now you says that he didn't use CoA? It doesn't seem right…
By the way I don't even know why we are discussing this. If you read the "haki pre-ts Rayleigh chapter" it becomes pretty obvious that he first uses CoO to detect all the objects around him, and later CoA to modify his strength of his sword and also cut Daz bones (which enables him to bypass devil fruit effects).
Been reading One Piece since 2002 - first release in Denmark.
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I don't want to be "that guy" who continues an off topic discussion, but first you say that he didn't use CoO, and now you says that he didn't use CoA? It doesn't seem right…
By the way I don't even know why we are discussing this. If you read the "haki pre-ts Rayleigh chapter" it becomes pretty obvious that he first uses CoO to detect all the objects around him, and later CoA to modify his strength of his sword and also cut Daz bones (which enables him to bypass devil fruit effects).
did you even read what i posted?did you?
clearly it seems that you would rather disregard facts and go for what you seem to be rightedit:and as i said before,COO IS ONLY USED FOR LIVING THING,NOT ALL OBJECTS.
MY ENEL your post was useless -
did you even read what i posted?did you?
clearly it seems that you would rather disregard facts and go for what you seem to be rightedit:and as i said before,COO IS ONLY USED FOR LIVING THING,NOT ALL OBJECTS.
MY ENEL your post was uselessLike you said, maybe you just suck at explaining.
By the way, bolding it doesn't mean it's true. I doubt you would classify water drops as "living things": http://www.batoto.net/read/_/99151/one-piece_v65_ch637_by_mangarule/13
Been reading One Piece since 2002 - first release in Denmark.
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Like you said, maybe you just suck at explaining.
By the way, bolding it doesn't mean it's true. I doubt you would classify water drops as "living things": http://www.batoto.net/read/_/99151/one-piece_v65_ch637_by_mangarule/13
dude,just stop.he didn't know per se know where the water was going to be,he just knew where the fatass hody would attack.i think it's useless to engage you,so i'm not going to reply to you anymore.good day to you.
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dude,just stop.he didn't know per se know where the water was going to be,he just knew where the fatass hody would attack.i think it's useless to engage you,so i'm not going to reply to you anymore.good day to you.
It seems your arrogance is keeping you from socializing civily, so I doubt anyone is going to bother to continue discussing with you.
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Looks like I'm late to the party.
sggupta is at it again.
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@Foxy:
Looks like I'm late to the party.
sggupta is at it again.
At least you got to see the guy in action the first time :(
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@Foxy:
Looks like I'm late to the party.
sggupta is at it again.
well judging from my meagre amount of posts,you can hardly accuse me of "being at it again."
so this is what happens to chapter threads at the end.edit::ninja:ed again by "1Pcexperience".2 times in a row.:ninja:
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I don't want to be "that guy" who continues an off topic discussion, but first you say that he didn't use CoO, and now you says that he didn't use CoA? It doesn't seem right…
By the way I don't even know why we are discussing this. If you read the "haki pre-ts Rayleigh chapter" it becomes pretty obvious that he first uses CoO to detect all the objects around him, and later CoA to modify his strength of his sword and also cut Daz bones (which enables him to bypass devil fruit effects).
I has a problem with this argument (bolded)… just because Zoro was able to cut Daz Bones doesn't necessarily mean he was using CoA. That's like saying that Luffy hitting Enel and Crocodile was because he was using CoA. It could very plausibly be simply part of his skill set (or circumstantial) [side note. has zoro used that since?? I don't remember it being used explicitly since then…]
(Just an argument issue.. I stand neutral at the moment :ninja:)
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well judging from my meagre amount of posts,you can hardly accuse me of "being at it again."
so this is what happens to chapter threads at the end.edit::ninja:ed again by "1Pcexperience".2 times in a row.:ninja:
16 characters of nope.
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Then how did Vergo's haki got beaten? Vergo >Smoker
Law ended up using more strength than usual?Also,Smoker was just trying to get Law's heart back.Vergo only said that he is a superior Haki user.
And about to CoC thing.It isn't necessary to just knock your opponent unconscious.You could still overpower his will and make him not being able to fight.
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I has a problem with this argument (bolded)… just because Zoro was able to cut Daz Bones doesn't necessarily mean he was using CoA. That's like saying that Luffy hitting Enel and Crocodile was because he was using CoA. It could very plausibly be simply part of his skill set (or circumstantial) [side note. has zoro used that since?? I don't remember it being used explicitly since then…]
(Just an argument issue.. I stand neutral at the moment :ninja:)
Yeah, he was able cut Daz because he learned how to cut steel. If it was CoA, he wouldn't be able to cut steel objects.
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I think many of you don't quite get the basics of Haki now do you?
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Yeah, he was able cut Daz because he learned how to cut steel. If it was CoA, he wouldn't be able to cut steel objects.
Also, if he had CoA, he'd have been able to cut Enel in Skypeia. Its not like Enel had any practice using CoA Haki defensively like Akainu presumably did.
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I has a problem with this argument (bolded)… just because Zoro was able to cut Daz Bones doesn't necessarily mean he was using CoA. That's like saying that Luffy hitting Enel and Crocodile was because he was using CoA. It could very plausibly be simply part of his skill set (or circumstantial) [side note. has zoro used that since?? I don't remember it being used explicitly since then…]
(Just an argument issue.. I stand neutral at the moment :ninja:)
as i posted earlier,
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=38099&p=2806652&viewfull=1#post2806652
the translation is wonky,but it is doable
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4794/one-piece_ch194_by_null/16zoro's sensei says"the strongest sword can protect or destroy what it wants.a sword that can harm anything isn't a real sword to me".
if it was haki,why would these words have been used?can haki be used to "not cut" or "not harm" anything?i reallllllly doubt it.http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4795/one-piece_ch195_by_null/18
here also he first doesn't cut the branch,even though he swings his sword at it.in the next moment he slices a boulder very easily.
you could say that he wasn't able to slice the branch,but i think that's pretty wrong,as that was precisely what young zoro thought so. -
I know.. I'm merely pointing a flaw in the logic of Funky's argument…
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I know.. I'm merely pointing a flaw in the logic of Funky's argument…
yeah,i just think that the fact that zoro didn't use haki in alabasta should be well established.i also agree with the enel thing.although it can't be said for certain about sanji's diable jambe and zoro's asura,i personally feel it would be retconning on oda's part if it was later revealed they used haki.
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@Fire Fist:
I'm still banking on the fact that Buggy, even if he isn't a Shichibukai, is now the richest man in the One Piece World after finding Captain John's treasure. Since One Piece itself is heavily implied to not be something of monetary value, finding the second most valuable treasure has probably made him loaded. I can picture him and Galdino being really, really fat now and having their own island where they're waited on hand and foot.
[/imagines this ; dies]
I could imagine Oda doing that or having him pull an Usopp so like that happens in a flashback but like now they're RIPPED AND HANDSOME.
Naaaah I like the fattery idea better.
Ahurrhurr.
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You know what I find odd, Buggy and Shanks were both on gold roger and saw one piece right? It just is odd to me that shanks is trying to get back to it, I feel like he's guarding it. Buggy on the other hand, has no interest in something that should change your perspective on the entire world.
Or were they added after they found one piece?
