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    • Halfmetal-lich
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      Love: Oda could have gone anywhere with the idea of putting Luffy's powers into a zombie. Oda decides to go big and put it in a flipping GIANT. And it worked, and it gave us the first time we see the SHs work together to take down one single enemy. A rare treat that I have not forgotten. Also..Franky Skywalk.

      Loathe: I do think that Oars was in the story a bit longer then he should have been, and I think he took away from Moria in terms of the villain of the arc. It would have been cool if that had literally combined to be the final villain of Thriller Bark.

      3/5

      Originally Posted by KzTxL7

      I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.

      You won this week Fairy Tail.

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        Love: A great mix of a truly brutal threat and seriously funny. When he was disappointed by the failure of Emporer docking Franky I laughed out loud and when huting the Straw Hats he was impressively threatening. He was the ideal adversary for the entire crew to fight as a team.

        Loathe: Scale. Oda is really good at giving a sense of relatedness between the characters, the landscape and how a fight moves. For some reason Oars threw this off for me seeming anywhere between 50 and 200 feet at any time.

        3/5

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          Love: Everything really; he was a brilliant villain, he was massive, he was menacing, he was really funny with all the luffy shadow things, and the fight where the straw hats team up to face him is incredible.
          Loathe: Literally the only thing is the fact that he overshadowed Moria as a villain and could have left him as the main villain of the arc - but that's not a complaint of Oars himself, I suppose.

          ​4.5/5

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            Oars:

            Love: It was a giant with Luffy's shadow. Now that is scary. It was also nice to see the entire crew work together to take down an enemy. There were several funny moments during the fight such as Oars being disappointed that the docking was never finished.

            Loathe: Is the character Oars or Luffy's shadow? The fight also went on a bit too long and started to get tedious towards the end.

            3/5

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              Love: "Gomu Gomu no… even though it's not Gomu... gatling"
              Loathe: Nothing
              5/5

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                Oars

                Love: He was stupid fun. He was so funny at times like being very interested in "docking" with Franky and stuff.
                Bringing him down required a rare occassion of all the SH crew members fighting against one guy and everyone had their shots at him. I think he was better than Moria tbh. I also enjoyed Luffy's fight against him.

                Loathe: He made Moria more disappointing.

                4/5

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                  Love: He made one of the best fights possible.
                  Metal design, makes me think of like, Iron Maiden
                  Funny gags

                  Loathe: He doesn't have his own personality, so I'm not really sure.

                  3/5

                  Favorite thing aside from One Piece is movies! Updated favorite films: The Passion of Joan of Arc / Alien / It's a Wonderful Life / Casablanca / One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest / The Apartment / Nights of Cabiria / Dr. Strangelove / All About Eve / Amadeus / Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

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                    Love: As everyone else said, he gave the entire crew a fantastic fight, which required several team combos that were really cool. Also, to give the shadow of an impulsive idiot to a massive demonic giant was outright hysterical.

                    Loathe: He overshadowed the main antagonist of the arc, but that's mostly on Moria. His quirks, though hilarious, came from Luffy.

                    4.5/5

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                      Love:Only giant that gave an impressive fight. And that sure was one help of a fight. He was agile, powerful and brushed off most attacks. That's what a powerful giant should be like. Additionally he was quite fun with with Luffy simplicity.

                      Loathe:Nothing.

                      4/5.

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                        So? Is the review coming soon? I'm dying to guess the next one.

                        Nani?

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                          So? Is the review coming soon? I'm dying to guess the next one.

                          well, I got to pick the next character (since I correctly guessed Oars) and I PM'ed him yesterday so my guess is he's still writing the review.

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                            Guessing Blackbeard for next one 😮

                            Favorite thing aside from One Piece is movies! Updated favorite films: The Passion of Joan of Arc / Alien / It's a Wonderful Life / Casablanca / One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest / The Apartment / Nights of Cabiria / Dr. Strangelove / All About Eve / Amadeus / Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

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                              My money's on Judy. That guy who got shot on Sabaody and had like four lines.

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                                Oars' Arlong Park Evaluation

                                What you loved:

                                1. Freaking Giant Luffy - Luffy is a brilliant simpleton. He enjoys cool things and has a single minded approach to attaining his goals. He also likes to punch things. That's all good and great because he is our protagonist, so he is all cuddley and lovable. You know what can really make that mix of characteristics bad? Putting all of those attributes into a giant that is two and a half times the size of the normal massive One Piece world giants and setting him loose to steer the biggest ship in the entire series (one the size of an island). He also slowly becomes more willing to listen to Moria which makes him a massive (in every way) antagonist to the crew. Several of you guys stated that he was the best giant in the series and that he even overshadowed Shichibukai Moria as the best villain of the Thriller Bark arc. Luffy's personality in a giant led to many memorable gags as well. He couldn't tell the difference between Sanji and his wanted poster. He broke a part off of the caste and wore it like a pirate hat, climbed the Thriller Bark mast and roared about he wanted to be king of the pirates. The first word we get out him is MEAT. And the gag mentioned most by all of you guys, he was disappointed that the Mugiwara Docking was a failure. Good stuff.
                                2. Crew Battle - This was such a treat. It's pretty crazy when you think about it but in a series spanning 16 years, 745 chapters and 73 books the 9 main characters (mileage may vary) have never really had a fight where they all worked together. Oars was Oda's answer to this, and what a glorious answer it was. Watching the entire crew work in unison was great. I experienced this first in the anime (all those years ago when I was an wide eyed anime-only fan) and I remember thinking that Sanji really stole the show and that Zoro took some massive hits. It was nice to see Usopp be useful and Zoro use Franky's nunchucks made of pillars. I love that initial team battle so much that I never really liked Nightmare Luffy (still don't really). It was just…so very Goku of Luffy. The entire crew struggle to take on a single combatant only for the main character to swoop in and save the day. Lame. Luckily, Oda is not Toriyama and that was not the end. The real defeat of Oars came as another team effort (this time with Luffy) and Chopper's MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE WAS USED IN A FIGHT OMGAWESOME. I always loved that whole thing with Chopper where he said that not being able to feel pain wasn't really an advantage. This fight really took Thriller Bark to another level and the implication of Giant's like Oars in the OP world is very interesting for future events or perhaps flashbacks even. **Should be noted that the crew fought together again on SA against the Pascifista.

                                Favorite comment goes to God of Skypeia:

                                "Love: "'Gomu Gomu no… even though it's not Gomu... gatling'"

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                                What you loathed:

                                1. The Show-Stealaaa - This is a funny loathe. Basically, Oars was too good at being a fun and interesting villain. To the point that it took away from the real main villain of Thriller Bark, Gecko Moria. If anything I feel like I am just re-hashing a loathe from the old Moria evaluation as I honestly feel this falls more on Moria's shoulders than it does Oars' (and Oda's more than any of them.) I mean, Gin was a better character than Don Krieg, but that was just because the Don was a little flat. Not certain I really get this loathe all that much if I am being honest. But it was the most mentioned thing so here it is. My take is simply that a lot of you wished that some of Moria's weaknesses were shored up and that he felt more like a big important villain (as the title of Shichibukai should imply).
                                2. It Not Really Oars Tho - I knew this would come up. Truthfully, we don't really know Oars. We know a corpse being manipulated by a devil fruit that is giving him a personality that is, very possibly, nothing like his own personality. I was hoping you guys would just take the character for what he was and what we got to see but I can see how this was a little confusing and there isn't much not to like so you guys were probably just reaching a bit. Nothing wrong with that.
                                3. Exhausted Fight - more than one of you thought it dragged a touch. Fair enough.

                                Favorite comment goes to skorpion:

                                "loathe: Not something that i can put my finger on, just that we dont know anything about his past. But i have the impression that with Oars jr. we will learn about that species more in the future.
                                (Also side note not the mangaka's fault but there have been so many diffrent variations of his name in all the diffrent translations that its hard to know his real name. Back in the times that thriller bark came out i remember calling him Oz, its the way japanese works i guess. {My little sister still call Zoro "Lolonoa Zolo} lol)"

                                Finally,the poll! With 14 votes, Oars' average score is…3.93!

                                Thanks to all that responded! I will post my next pick later on today. Here's the HINT: Hey next character. Levar Buton called. He wants his sun glasses back.

                                Until then.

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                                  I don't think Luffy remembers the next guy as well as he should.

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                                    66 pages! Way to go city_lights. 🙂

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                                      @Doors:

                                      66 pages! Way to go city_lights. 🙂

                                      Awesome. Thanks so much Doors!

                                      🙂

                                      read.

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                                        @city_lights31:

                                        Here's the HINT: Hey next character. Levar Buton called. He wants his sun glasses back.

                                        Helmeppo! 🆒

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                                        Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?

                                        Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.

                                        Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.

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                                          It's so Helmeppo yea. I'm willing to bet my right hand that he will get the lowest score ever.

                                          Nani?

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                                            It's so Helmeppo yea. I'm willing to bet my right hand that he will get the lowest score ever.

                                            Really?? He turned out pretty handsomely imo… Well, we shall see.

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                                              It's so Helmeppo yea. I'm willing to bet my right hand that he will get the lowest score ever.

                                              I dunno, Hody scored quite low already.

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                                                Today is two months of L&L(woot) so I thought I would do something special before we get back to our regular viewed programming.

                                                Love & Loathe Arc's Edition #1 Let's get our big-ass-fountain on! It's time to evaluate: The Water 7 Arc (chapters 322-374)

                                                Sea Train...Here's the deal: We are looking to hyper-critique an arc to try and pinpoint what makes it great and what makes it terrible. After enough people respond, I will organize what are the best and worst traits of the arc, and compile an evaluation post later. Also,don't worry if you have the same answers as others,the point is to figure out a common denominator for the arc.

                                                So the two questions for you are:

                                                What one thing do you consistently loved about The Water 7 Arc?
                                                What one thing do you consistently loathed about The Water 7 Arc?

                                                And give Water 7 a rating of between 1 and 5, with 5 being the highest(.5's are acceptable - ex. 1.5 or 4.5). I will tally these.
                                                **This will be a 24 hour evaluation. Unless it does well, then perhaps it will be 48 hours. And if you guys like these enough we can do more arcs.

                                                Enjoy.

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                                                  Do the events on the sea train count? And does Enies Lobbt count? Or is it strictly the events actually IN Water 7?

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                                                    Do the events on the sea train count? And does Enies Lobbt count? Or is it strictly the events actually IN Water 7?

                                                    He said chapters 322-374 so until they meet Yokozuna.

                                                    Nani?

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                                                      Love: The sense of mystery regarding Robin and CP9. Why are the secret agents here? What is their business with her? Why has she decided to betray/frame the Straw Hats? As one of the darkest arcs in the series, you can't help but be allured by the sense of not knowing what's going down. Intense stuff.

                                                      Loathe: The crew drifting apart. I know it goes hand-in-hand with the drama and mystery and stuff, but seeing both Usopp and Robin leave the crew, even for a short while, was painful for read. Our happy-go-lucky crew seemed to be moving to the point of dissolution, and it was depressing.

                                                      4.5/5 for me

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                                                        Love: What an Arc. It really set up for EL but it was exciting in it's own right. Luffy vs. Usopp was amazing, the Walk to Franky House was epic as hell, and Usopp's argument with Luffy brought me to tears.

                                                        Loathe: Nothing I can pinpoint, exactly, but definitely not a "perfect" arc.

                                                        4.5/5

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                                                          Love: First of all: The city's looks and designs are amazing. Until this day I'm still thinking of the huge fountien up there, and how it came to be.
                                                          The scenes where Nami tells Luffy that Robin was willing to sacrefice the entire world just to save the Six of them was heart touching and bringing the most out of the "Strawhat's policy for friendship" whis is why I love Luffy so much.
                                                          Also a HUGE plus for this arc is Franky who was SUPER funny and emotional.
                                                          The introduction of CP9 was amazing, I never thought for a moment that the goverment was willing to go that low as to approve a "premission to kill" this arc opened up the understanding that the WG is a selfish (evil some might say) organization.
                                                          I will add the scenes after Enies Lobby here: The Garp introduction was hillariuos, when he told Luffy about his father and than said "forget it" I remember laughing so hard that my mouth started to hurt, also the meteor shower was amazing. And ofc luffy met Coby again, which was awesome.

                                                          Loathe: Alot can be said here, some will say the Usopp vs Luffy may reside in the love section becouse it was an amazing fight coupled with emotions, however i see it as a loathe becouse it's hard to see the crew falling apart.
                                                          I remember when watching the anime back than the couple of episodes where Robin went missing and everyone blamed the SH for the attempted assassination of Icberg, i felt this was so annoying to know nothing about what is happening, and it also seemed at the time like it's going nowhere.

                                                          So ultimatly while having great funny moments,and beeing there just to present Enies Lobby the feeling of anger and sadness this arc gave realy demoted him for me. 2/5

                                                          Nani?

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                                                            Love: Actually, everything. An amazing 'pre-arc' for the even better Enies Lobby (my favorite arc in One Piece). Usopp vs Luffy (loved it, but only because it ended up with Usopp rejoining), Robin's mysterious disappearance (REALLY liked that she 'betrayed' them just to save their lives) and the revelation of CP9 being the shipwrights, which I never saw coming. I loved that the crew almost fell apart, but pulled through. Oh, and Franky's past/backstory! DEM FEELS

                                                            Loathe: Can't really think of anything, but it wasn't as awesome and perfect as Alabasta and Enies Lobby.

                                                            4.5/5 for me.

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                                                              Love: I've been a critic of Oda due to the fact that he and his editors have always tried to maintain the status quo when it comes to One Piece. However Water Seven and Enies Lobby is the moment when they decided to toss that rule out the window. This saga is the "Empire Strikes Back" of One Piece, where for the first time everything is torn down and we don't know if things are going to go back to the way they are. They give the first real character development for Luffy, brings a new direction for Ussop, and shed some well needed light on the character of Robin who at his point seemed to be really just hanging on to the main cast. Every Straw Hat gets good screentime, the minor characters are memorable and enjoyable, the battles are fun, and the villains are both funny and terrifying. We see the curtain pulled back on the world of One Piece, and we see that the plot is more then just one crew trying to find treasure.

                                                              I think it is fair to say that after the drag that was Skypeia, an arc I still think has yet to prove it's relevance to the One Piece. Water Seven really brought the manga back to its strengths and took it into a new direction, one that has raised One Piece to the high level of popularity it has enjoyed since.

                                                              Loathe: Luffy getting stuck in that building reminded me of the "Goku Effect" in which the main character who could easily get the characters out of a problem must be cast aside for the sake of making the current situation more tense then it would be otherwise (See, Android Saga Heart Disease). Other then that, the far reaching effects this arc has had on the series far outweigh any minor quibbles.

                                                              4.5/5

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                                                              I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.

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                                                                Luffy getting stuck in that building reminded me of the "Goku Effect" in which the main character who could easily get the characters out of a problem must be cast aside for the sake of making the current situation more tense then it would be otherwise (See, Android Saga Heart Disease).

                                                                16 chars of Enel/Moria/Kuro. It's a repetetive motive in one piece, and no matter how much we don't like it, that is what makes the fights and the storie more interesting.

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                                                                  16 chars of Enel/Moria/Kuro. It's a repetetive motive in one piece, and no matter how much we don't like it, that is what makes the fights and the storie more interesting.

                                                                  True, but this one case where Luffy is stuck doesn't feel as well done as his grand re-entrance during Alabasta.

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                                                                  I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.

                                                                  You won this week Fairy Tail.

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                                                                    Well, this one ended up very long. But considering all of the things happening this arc, I guess there is no avoiding it 😉
                                                                    Edit: coming back here a few days later, god how much did I write?! Well, the most important thing is the underlined words - the rest is just me babbling.
                                                                    Love

                                                                    ~ The Capital of Water. One Piece has an amazing world filled with a variety of intriguing islands, but few beat Water 7 in pure beauty. The fountain was an amazing idea, and I like the subtle reference to Venice.
                                                                    This was the first actual city in the series that genuinely stood out. Before this arc, the creativity of environment was mostly restricted to nature. Alabasta, Loguetown, Windmill Village… most settlements were very "standard" - the closest we got was Angel Island and Shandora, of which one was only a temporary stop and the other abandoned ruins.
                                                                    The Capital of Water is a bustling city with an equally bustling economy. We learn how the inhabitants live, what the city is famous for, its history, its culture... I dare say of all towns the Strawhats have visited so far, this is the by far most explored.

                                                                    ~ A darker plot. If there is anything I remember when I think back at this arc, its seeing the Strawhats fall apart. We've seen a fair amount of drama before, but this time I actually went "Oh shit, they aren't actually splitting up, are they?!". I was genuinely worried - and evoking such a feeling in the readers is not an easy thing to do, both in terms of pulling it off and in terms of actually having the guts to do so. Its one of the times when Oda's writing really shines. Whether its a loathe or love, there is no denying the crew splitting up had an impact on most readers.
                                                                    Water 7 was also responsible for uncovering the true nature of the World Government, which should not be overlooked considering their current status in the series.

                                                                    ~ Franky. Franky is one of my favorite strawhats, and this is the arc that introduced him. I love how you absolutely hated him at first, but as time went on you couldn't help but laugh at his antics. His talk to Usopp is also one of my favorite moments, along with his flashback.

                                                                    ~ Character Developement. It was nice to see some character development, especially since the two with the most in this arc were Usopp and Luffy. All of a sudden you started to take Usopp seriously, and this was also the arc that made him one of my favorite characters. And then there is the fact that Luffy actually had to embrace his role as a captain. Most of the time, this involves "having fun, doing nothing, beating the big bad". This time Luffy proved once and for all that he IS a capable captain and was forced to make a hard decision, and that even he can become distressed and depressed (and its not a gag).

                                                                    ~ A memorable cast of characters. As the recent character evaluations have proved, the side cast of this arc was very memorable. There were no characters that were genuinely boring. There weren't too few, nor were there too many.
                                                                    I'm a huge fan of exploring side characters and taking a breather from the main crew, and after having to endure the not-so-enjoyable side characters of the Alabasta and Skypiea arcs, this was more than welcome. I loved reading about Galley La, about Iceburg and his secretary, about Kokoro, even about Franky. They helped lighten the mood while the Strawhats were dealing with their issues - and when they were betrayed from within, you felt for them.

                                                                    Loathe While I don't think of Water 7 as my personal favorite arc (that spot has been stolen by Dressrosa and Drum), I do believe it is by far the most solid. It had just the right balance of characters and story. So I can't actually come up with a good loathe.

                                                                    Actually, I found a bit.
                                                                    The train fights.
                                                                    They had some moments, but mostly felt just dragged and uneccesary. The only memorable villain there was T-Bone, the rest were pretty forgettable (though we did get that one moment when Sanji used knives).
                                                                    5/5

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                                                                      Love: Its good to have a city that don't get scared by pirates since they have a special team formed by Shipwrights. Also we got to see Usopp prove his manliness.
                                                                      Loathe: All in all it was just a prelude to Enies Lobby.
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                                                                          Prime example of insane loathes on previous page. You'd think actual characters from the series are reviewing things. It was actually dramatic and more truly emotional than usual and that's a loathe??

                                                                          Love: The real drama. First time Luffy seems human.
                                                                          Usopp, Robin, and Franky are my top three Straw Hats and they receive the most focus ever. A great
                                                                          Intro for Franky, wonderful intrigue with Robin, and dark moments with Usopp who everyone had
                                                                          written off as the comic relief character.
                                                                          All the ship drama was very well, and very subtlety, foreshadowed
                                                                          in Skypiea.
                                                                          Cp9 reveal genuinely surprising.
                                                                          Masks
                                                                          Aqua Laguna made for a great representation of
                                                                          Straw Hats anguish.
                                                                          Honestly I'm a sucker for set up arcs (Baratie [this only kinda counts], Whiskey Peak, and Jaya are some other favs in the whole series. I honestly enjoy Water Seven as much as EL. There'd be no punch without it.

                                                                          Loathe: When Lucci punches Luffy. I mean that probably really hurt!
                                                                          (Sarcasm)
                                                                          I hate nothing because its perfect.

                                                                          5/5

                                                                          Favorite thing aside from One Piece is movies! Updated favorite films: The Passion of Joan of Arc / Alien / It's a Wonderful Life / Casablanca / One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest / The Apartment / Nights of Cabiria / Dr. Strangelove / All About Eve / Amadeus / Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

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                                                                            Looks like the arc LaL didn't fly so good. Shame, I love this thread.

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                                                                              Meh, I feel like "Water 7" should go up to leaving … Water 7, but whatever.

                                                                              Love:

                                                                              A dramatic arc: Water 7 really made it feel like the whole crew was falling apart. It was really the Strawhat crew's trial by fire. Day 1 was all about Merry and Usopp ... while Robin leaving and the whole attempted assassination thing waited until Day 2. And both were brilliant. Franky and Iceburg's past also gets told towards the end, and is a brilliant flashback story.

                                                                              A mysterious arc: there was the whole "who really went to kill Iceburg?" thing, and then the CP9 reveal was an excellent bit of mystery. It really kept the arc going after Usopp left the crew.

                                                                              A beautiful arc: Water 7 looks great! And the bulls! And then there're the funky designs of the Franky family in contrast ...

                                                                              There are a whole bunch of random other highlights too ... like Sanji boarding the train ahead and leaving behind that ridiculous message ... or the crazy fight at Dock 1 which served to properly introduce Franky ... Chopper getting everyone out of that room in the burning building.

                                                                              I feel like I should make note of how the characters feel so dynamic in this arc. During the big argument in particular, you see sides of the characters which are very much in line with what we expect of them, but still very different from what we usually get to see ... similarly later, with what to do about Robin.

                                                                              Loathe: The whole arc (Enies Lobby) gets a lot of cricticism for dragging. but, when I recently re-read it, I only felt that between the defeat at the Galley-La building and launching the Puffing Tom. Seems to me there were a lot of search sequences and so on which just got kind of repetitive. I suppose with the Sea Train too, we basically have a bunch of "extra" fights there (I mean Wanze and Nero in particular) which just bloated out the middle of the arc and make the whole thing so much longer ... I have more or less the same complaint about the fighting (in general) on the Main Island of Enies Lobby (which together with the Sea Train forms these transitionary two volumes or so between everything on Water 7 and the big fight in the Tower).

                                                                              5/5 - It's the best part of a bloated arc that is overall my second or third favourite in the series, so ...

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                                                                                Love: The key to Water Seven arc is Usopp. Up until this point he's been a mix of comic relief and counterpoint to the insanely strong and heroic Monster Trio. While he never will be my favourite character it's an easily understood and important role for the reader. But this schtick has become less useful as the threat level increases and this story is about he himself realising this. He can't compete at the same level as any of the crew and his 'ticket in', the Merry Go, is on her last legs.
                                                                                Oda uses this brilliantly to form a schism between Usopp and Luffy and forces it to a place it can't be laughed off. Usopp challenges Luffy and his captain has to take it seriously.

                                                                                So they fight, and it's inspiring on a storytelling level; Usopp uses all his silly techniques and clever traps and strings them together and he holds his own! He holds off the most powerful member of his crew by doing all the stuff he's done all along! But he was never going to win.

                                                                                With this he's cemented why Usopp is an indespensible member of the crew… and throws him out of the Straw Hats.
                                                                                This not only gives us gut-felt drama but allows Oda to build up Usopp into a character who won't be a liability going on. And the start of that transformation is Sogeking, King of Snipers and a new well of humour.

                                                                                W7 also starts to go deep into the story of Robin and introduces us to Franky and the whole next-level threat of Cypher Pol, but it's transformation of Usopp is clearly the most important part.

                                                                                Loathe: For all of this going on, W7 is clearly a set up arc and these by nature are less satisfying.

                                                                                Edit: Given all the extra time we've had I went back and reread the whole arc. I still think Usopp's rebirth is he most striking part, the starts of Robin and Franky's stories are still really well done. And the Galley-La supporting characters are better drawn than I remember and the building menace of CP9 is done quietly but all the better for it. Also Wanze.
                                                                                But the exploration of Water 7 still doesn't do much for ne and takes a large chunk of the proceedings.
                                                                                Revised score: 4/5

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                                                                                  Love: Water 7 had a great cast of characters, the city was one of my favorite. This arc had some of the craziest turn of events. Usopp and Robin left the crew, Merry was falling apart, secrete government assassins were up to no good. Cool trains and story was very engaging since it had close to heart moments..two crew members leaving is a pretty big deal. Robin was going to sacrifice herself for the crew dang it! The party at the end was probably one of the biggest ones Luffy threw. lol I liked the flashback and how the villain was had some connection to Franky and Robin's story.

                                                                                  Loath: Nothing

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                                                                                    Love: I remember feeling the first time I watch this arc that the crew's "challenge" was the most dangerous one they had faced, since it felt real. Usopp got robbed of their money to repair Merry, and got beaten to a pulp. Robin left the crew. Luffy had to choose between Going Merry or a new ship to continue their journey, which led to him fighting Usopp. They got framed by CP9, and when Luffy and Zoro tried to fight them they were completely outmatched.
                                                                                    Aside from all this drama, the arc had some memorable moments. CP9 taking of their masks, Franky's flashback, the Sea Train battle, Sogeking, Kaku's square nose (Luffy mistaking him from Usopp, who was standing right next to him, was hilarious), and the epic walk to Franky House.
                                                                                    Oh and Hattori, Lucci's only shred of personality.

                                                                                    Loathe: Luffy vs The Twin Towers of Doom

                                                                                    5/5

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                                                                                      Love: Almost everything. The side characters were fantastic, the setting was beautiful, the story was awesome, it was great to see some character development for Luffy. The Luffy and Usopp conflict was heartbreaking, I loved the villian fake out with Franky, and Robin's story was interesting. Probably my favorite arc in the story.

                                                                                      Loathe: I hesitated doing a love/loathe for Water 7 because I honestly couldn't think of anything. But after thinking it over, and this is really reaching for a loathe, I guess this is where the fan service started to increase. (And even then, this is more in Enies Lobby, so I guess this is the last arc where the fan service was mild?) One Piece didn't need fan service to keep people interested and adding so much more felt a bit like selling out. Don't get me wrong, I usually don't mind service, but not when it starts to take over a story and when it is at the expense of a major character. This is also where Robin's character started to decline IMO. After Enies Lobby she was never quite as cool as she was in Alabasta and Skypea.

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                                                                                        Love: Ummm….Franky of course. Plus, everything else. I'll just say everything with an emphasis on Franky's introduction and Usopp and Luffy's fight.

                                                                                        Loathe: Nothing. It was great.

                                                                                        Rating: 5/5

                                                                                        Everything's Eventual…

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                                                                                          whats going on here, i might not post, but i check this daily, keep going.

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                                                                                            Water 7's Arlong Park Evaluation

                                                                                            What you loved:

                                                                                            1. The Darkest Timeli…er...arc - All that delicious drama. Robin leaves and gets some fascinating (and needed) development. Sanji searches for her. The Merry is in great danger and Usopp simply can't handle it. This, of coarse, leads to the clash between him and Luffy and the temporary (though still impact) resignation of Usopp from the Strawhat crew. Usopp gets beaten badly many times in this arc. Aqua Laguna threatens to destroy everything. The likeable Iceburg lives through an assassination attempt only to blame the Strawhats and have the entire island turn on them. The mystery of who the CP9 are slowly unveils to reveal that they are a group of elite assassins whom Robin is working with for some reason. All good stuff. Really quick, I want to say that I've always made the parallel between Robin's story arc on Water 7/Enies Lobby with Nami's during the Arlong Park arc. Emotionally distant female cast member seemingly abandons and betrays our protagonist only to have their tragic past and sins unveiled and for them to finally ask for help and want to be with the rest of the Strawhats. And those are two of the best arcs in the series! Anyone else ever make this parallel or just me?
                                                                                            2. Suppaa Introductions - So many great characters were introduced during the Water 7 arc. Franky was mentioned many times obviously but beyond him the Gallery La crew, Chimney, Kokoro, Iceburg, Franky's Family, the various CP9 members and so on. Several of you said that the side characters in Skypiea were very weak and uninteresting and that Water 7's were a breath of fresh air compared to them.
                                                                                            3. Venice Analog – Water 7 was a beautiful setting piece. One Piece is filled with lavish, enjoyable lands but most don't measure up to the wonder and joy that Water 7 inspires. It also probably helps that Oda took his time and really let us explore the island with our cast. Also, personally, I always liked that the idea of a giant-fountain island is something that I have never imagined in any way before. I've thought of lands based on ancient Egypt, Heaven and prehistoric times…but never a lovely giant fountain island. Just super imaginative.
                                                                                            4. A Fantastic Setup – It seems like a lot of One Piece fans (myself included) have a soft spot for Oda's set up arcs (or; arcs that exist entirely to act as rising action for the arc to come). Of these type of arcs Water 7 is probably the very best (though Jaya might give it a run and if SA falls into this category debatable it could likely win). Anyway, W7 is some of Oda's very best storytelling and in many people's opinion (your humble writers included) it overshadows the fantastic arc that follows.

                                                                                            Favorite comment goes to Halfmetal-lich:
                                                                                            “Love: I've been a critic of Oda due to the fact that he and his editors have always tried to maintain the status quo when it comes to One Piece.However Water Seven and Enies Lobby is the moment when they decided to toss that rule out the window. This saga is the "Empire Strikes Back" of One Piece, where for the first time every thing is torn down and we don't know if things are going to go back to the way they are. They give the first real character development for Luffy, brings a new direction for Ussop, and shed some well needed light on the character of Robin who at his point seemed to be really just hanging on to the main cast. Every Straw Hat gets good screentime, the minor characters are memorable and enjoyable, the battles are fun, and the villains are both funny and terrifying. We see the curtain pulled back on the world of One Piece, and we seethat the plot is more then just one crew trying to find treasure. I think it is fair to say that after the drag that was Skypeia, an arcI still think has yet to prove it's relevance to the One Piece. Water Seven really brought the manga back to its strengths and took it intoa new direction, one that has raised One Piece to the high level of popularity it has enjoyed since.”

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                                                                                            What you loathed:

                                                                                            1. Sea Train Slowdown – The Enies Lobby Saga (which includes Water 7 arc) is long. Really long; and it can feel a little bloated in some areas. Nothing feels more like unnecessary filler than the transitionary period between the waters of Water 7 and Enies Lobby when our hero's are riding the Sea Trains and fighting various scrubs. On a personal level, I simply hate Wanze. He is one of the only characters that annoy me to a point that I can hardly enjoy his chapters at all and I hate his fight with Sanji. That guy is awful. It's probably tied for my least favorite one on one fight in the series right down there with Nami vs Doublefinger.
                                                                                            2. Mugiwara Asunder – Surprised by this one. But it makes some sense. You guys love the Strawhats together… and so do I. So watching them argue and break apart and physically harm one another is heart wrenching. And while I agree that it was tough to see I feel that it was for the greater good of telling an amazing story. Regardless, this was brought up several times. It was certainly sad.
                                                                                            3. Various – Being that this is our first arc L&L its not surprising that the loathes were a little all over the place. There wasn't a lot of patterns to pinpoint but some other things mentioned were: Luffy and his “goku effect,” the repetition of some of the searching, the fanservice turning up a new notch, W7 merely being a set up arc and the fact that W7 is one part to a bloated, long saga. Interesting stuff.

                                                                                            Favorite comment goes to Supernova122__:
                                                                                            _“_Loathe:The whole arc (Enies Lobby) gets a lot of cricticism for dragging.but, when I recently re-read it, I only felt that between the defeat at the Galley-La building and launching the Puffing Tom. Seems to me there were a lot of search sequences and so on which just got kind of repetitive. I suppose with the Sea Train too, we basically have a bunch of "extra" fights there (I mean Wanze and Nero in particular) which just bloated out the middle of the arc and make the whole thing so much longer … I have more or less the same complaint about the fighting (in general) on the Main Island of Enies Lobby(which together with the Sea Train forms these transitionary two volumes or so between everything on Water 7 and the big fight in the Tower).“

                                                                                            Finally,the poll! With 14 votes, Water 7's average score is…4.50!

                                                                                            Thanks to all that responded! I'll post our new character in an hour or so.

                                                                                            Until then.

                                                                                            
                                                                                            **Love & Loathe #35** Let's get our who? on! It's time to evaluate: **Helmeppo** ![](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131001095416/onepiece/images/7/7b/Helmeppo_Digitally_Colored_Manga.png)
                                                                                            
                                                                                            Stupid hair...**Here's the deal**: We are looking to hyper-critique a character to try and pinpoint what makes them great and what makes them terrible. After enough people respond, I will organize what are the best and worst traits of the character, and compile an evaluation post later. Also,don't worry if you have the same answers as others,the point is to figure out a **common denominator** for the character.
                                                                                            
                                                                                            So the two questions for you are:
                                                                                            
                                                                                            What **one** thing do you consistently **love** about Helmeppo?
                                                                                            What **one** thing do you consistently **loathe** about Helmeppo?
                                                                                            
                                                                                            **And give Helmeppo a rating of between 1 and 5, with 5 being the highest(.5's are acceptable - ex. 1.5 or 4.5). I will tally these.** 
                                                                                            
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                                                                                              Loathe: Helmeppo would be the character I probably dislike the most in one piece. He feels 1-dimensional, has a poor design, and is a cowardly daddy´s boy. There is something about his attitude I cannot stand. All in all I feel he is just a sidekick, to show of Coby´s growth.

                                                                                              Like: Hard to find anything, but I guess the one time he went against his father (albeit kidnapped), he showed some development.

                                                                                              1/5

                                                                                              Foxy is Sabo!

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                                                                                                Loathe: Helmeppo was pretty annoying in the Morgan Arc with his "oh, i am daddys boy you cant hurt me" and stuff like that, he got better later on but he still not a very good character since he dosent do much and there isint anything particulary awesome about him, i also dont care much for his design.

                                                                                                Like: Dunno but when he actually for once went again his father i suppose.

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                                                                                                  Love: Nice weapons you got there.
                                                                                                  Loathe: He was one rank behind Coby and now is two ranks.
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                                                                                                    Love: Helmeppo is the classic OP style weak jerk, complete with that Luffy punch(Move over Spandam, Helmeppo was here first.). He really fit in with Morgan in the overall message of the arc: It doesn't matter what your status is; it's what you do that makes you bad. So Helmeppo had his status, but really, it was clear he was just an ass hiding behind his father.
                                                                                                    Returning with Coby was an intersting way to put him to use.
                                                                                                    Loathe: Nothing much, he had his purpose.
                                                                                                    3.5/5

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                                                                                                      Love: Helmeppo started out as the weak jerk who relies on others to do his job, but for the sake of his dreams he fought and became strong (arguably) and that is basicly the same pattern as Luffy, also he have those wierd knives and those ludicrous sunglasses.

                                                                                                      Loathe: Even though he became focused on achivieng his dreams, he still remaind the little cry baby as shown in the war, while Coby made his step and confronted Luffy, Helmeppo chose to stay behind and cower like an Ussop, also both his hair styles are phychs.

                                                                                                      So in conclusion, he is a shallow char that tried to become strong and deep but failed misrebly to do so. 2/5

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                                                                                                        @citylights_31 intersting you hating Wanze. On the rereading it seems Oda put such an entirely silly character in there so that Sanji's plastic surgery kick doesn't come as a total ass-pull whn he uses it to better effect later on.

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