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Bellamy_

When i See this Stats Heki is relay not that big Deal, Even Sosui has nere as Good Stats as Heki

So Sui 80/82/85 = 247
Heki 80/84/86= 250

Heki should Join Shins Unit….

Bigivel

@Gatekeeper:

that Hara didn't have to supposely pull this guy out of thin air like Kanmei, Karin, and Rinbukun.

If I remember well Aohige said that Kanmei isn't a made up character, he existed!

Gatekeeper

@Bigivel:

If I remember well Aohige said that Kanmei isn't a made up character, he existed!

Really? Unless I see proof, I highly doubt that. I'm basing my doubt on the fact that the coalition war wasn't covered extensively in the shiji and maybe other sources so any general that dies in this arc I will consider to be fictional. But there is a chance he might be real so I'll go look for his post and look to see if Kanmei was real.

Aohige_AP

I don't remember talking about it, but yes, Kanmei is not a made up character.
just search for 汗明 and 楚

He is mentioned in the ancient text of Sengokusaku 戦国策 (I believe the Chinese is 戰國策) written in the same era as the Shiji.
And btw, Rinbukun is not a made up character either. His name is written 臨武君, and also appears in the text Sengokusaku mentioned above.

Karin is fictional, so you strike two out of three in your claims.

Gatekeeper

@Aohige_AP:

I don't remember talking about it, but yes, Kanmei is not a made up character.
just search for 汗明 and 楚

He is mentioned in the ancient text of Sengokusaku 戦国策 (I believe the Chinese is 戰國策) written in the same era as the Shiji.

Have any of those sources been translated into English? I did a google search of the characters of his name but the results were in Japanese and Chinese and google translate cannot be trusted for reading that. In short, do they say anything notable about Kanmei, like his real exploits and time/location of death?

Aohige_AP

He was actually not a general, but an intellect who kept trying to convince Shunshinkun to hire him.
The conversation between Kanmei and Shunshinkun became base for some famous idioms.
The result of his attempts are unknown, as the book does not reveal it.

Obviously in alternate world of Kingdom he was hired and became a general.

KageKageKing

Mountain People!
Banzai!(or whatever they says in chinese).

Myu

Yotanwa should take Sei and Shin as his man and bed them as she likes. Seriously… It was worth the build-up. I loved how desperate they looked when cavalry entered the gates.

Now... I would rage. RAGE! If that Houken were to lay a finger on my lady!

Kirk

^ yay, too bad you guys had to fucking spoil it.

KageKageKing

I don't see any non-hidden spoilers here.

Enzeru

I had accidentally seen the cover of volume 34, so I knew that the mountain people were coming. But it wasn't any less impressive. Very nice chapters. Seeing Shin in his berserk mode felt awesome.

While I've enjoyed reading the whole coalition army vs Qin war so far, I have to admit that the battle of Sai is my favourite part of the arc. Against all odds, those brave souls managed to persevere and hold the city long enough for reinforcements to arrive. Countless times, when at the verge of collapsing, Sai's men, women, and even children kept fighting relentlessly. The war may not be over yet, but in my eyes those people are the real heroes of Qin.

Kirk

@KageKageKing:

I don't see any non-hidden spoilers here.

Are you as idiot as the face of your avatar? You could have put your "MOUNTAIN PEOPLE" into a spoil bar. That's not hard at all and doesnt take one second.

OT: awesome chapters as usual.

JarmenKell

Rohan had come at last.

Excellent build up.

KageKageKing

@Kirk:

Are you as idiot as the face of your avatar? You could have put your "MOUNTAIN PEOPLE" into a spoil bar. That's not hard at all and doesnt take one second.

The chapter was already out when we posted.

TLC

Every panel of Riboku 's bamboozled face is just so satisfying to me.

x20a

Awwwwwwww yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

horse and liquor troup 2.0!!!

Drake

"Rejoice, Kou. I miracle has occurred."

Legitimately cried tears of joy. SO GOOD. Oh man.

Renegadesoul

Hahaha…. How cool is that!!!!

More awesome surprises next chapters...ohhh can't wait! Must resist must resiiist!!

AlucarDraculA

@Drake:

"Rejoice, Kou. I miracle has occurred."

Legitimately cried tears of joy. SO GOOD. Oh man.

Glad I wasn't the only one to shed tears.

Prismeru

I fuckin love Kindgom.

That's all.

KzTxL7

Truly. This is a beautiful moment.

Razh

Can't imagine what I'd feel like if I didn't expect this. Would probably cry and all.

But it was still touching.

What are you going to do Reebok!? Think Houken will save you now?

Strawhat Chan

@Drake:

"Rejoice, Kou. I miracle has occurred."

Legitimately cried tears of joy. SO GOOD. Oh man.

I KNOW RIGHT?!

So many goosebumps this chapter!

King neti

Yotanwa had one of the most badass entrances. Do you guys think she'll have to fight Houken?

xxjoshxx

@King:

Yotanwa had one of the most badass entrances? Do you guys think she'll have to fight Houken?

Well she seems to be the only person on his level at the moment on the Qin side so I'd say it's a safe bet.

zeff redleg

So i've caught up with the anime, not sure whether i should read the manga or just wait for 3rd season.
I liked all the VAs but there weren't any soundtracks which i caught my attention :/
Anyways, the story is really interesting and if only the subs were put up the right names I would've got more clearer idea of what exactly was happening.
I know i should just start the series form chap 1 but time is not a luxury atm, maybe i'll just start with the manga from where anime left.

projectelf

@xxjoshxx:

Well she seems to be the only person on his level at the moment on the Qin side so I'd say it's a safe bet.

Well strengthwise she's on Duke Hyou's level so not really. At least based on the character stats. I don't really know how Houken was affected by Hyou's manouver. A fractured arm maybe?

Nidhoeggr

@zeff:

So i've caught up with the anime, not sure whether i should read the manga or just wait for 3rd season.
I liked all the VAs but there weren't any soundtracks which i caught my attention :/
Anyways, the story is really interesting and if only the subs were put up the right names I would've got more clearer idea of what exactly was happening.
I know i should just start the series form chap 1 but time is not a luxury atm, maybe i'll just start with the manga from where anime left.

I wouldn't recommend it because the anime skips a lot, entire arcs are ommitted from season 1 for example.

Purple Hermit

Well season 1 of the anime skipped the assassination part of the story and Sei's flashback, and at least it did the flashback part in season 2. And they are the right names, pretty much everyone here goes to google and researches the historical counterparts anyway.

idk, I think it'd be fine to jump in from where the anime left off, but on the other hand I always personally prefer the manga to the anime adaption, so it's up to you.

Drake

@projectelf:

Well strengthwise she's on Duke Hyou's level so not really. At least based on the character stats. I don't really know how Houken was affected by Hyou's manouver. A fractured arm maybe?

Yeah…I don't really see how he would use that arm at all in this campaign.

I'm thinking Shin and Yotanwa (or shin and the elite mountain tribesmen he fought alongside last time) are going to double team him like Kyoukai and Shin did.

Maybe Shin will take him on alone and evolve again like he did with Rinko?

Smiley

Finally got the time to read.
YES, the mountain people, i missed these guys.

King neti

@projectelf:

Well strengthwise she's on Duke Hyou's level so not really. At least based on the character stats. I don't really know how Houken was affected by Hyou's manouver. A fractured arm maybe?

Houken's arm got broken by Duke Hyou, so even though Yotanwa is weaker than Hyou(less weight) she still might be able to stop Houken from advancing or stall him. She doesn't have to win since Riboku will have to turn back around if he doesn't capture Sei/capital very soon because of the threat of a Qi invasion.

Razh

I don't really see Houken with a broken arm winning against someone who is considered far stronger than anyone else in savage mountain tribes.

If anything, Houken will receive yet another shock when faced with Yotanwa's ferocity (we never really saw her fight seriously) and will go kill some trees in Zhao again, if he survives. Obviously, the broken arm thing will help, otherwise there would be no point in what Hyou did.

King neti

@Razh:

I don't really see Houken with a broken arm winning against someone who is considered far stronger than anyone else in savage mountain tribes.

If anything, Houken will receive yet another shock when faced with Yotanwa's ferocity (we never really saw her fight seriously) and will go kill some trees in Zhao again, if he survives. Obviously, the broken arm thing will help, otherwise there would be no point in what Hyou did.

Houken isn't going to lose. Using one arm he was able to fodderize Geki Shin, so even without his other arm he's still a complete beast.

Razh

@King:

Houken isn't going to lose. Using one arm he was able to fodderize Geki Shin, so even without his other arm he's still a complete beast.

Oh wow, Gekishin. How could I forget him, the guy whose only purpose was to hype Houken more.

Houken isn't going to win against Yotanwa if they fight, you can bet your ass on that.

King neti

@Razh:

Oh wow, Gekishin. How could I forget him, the guy whose only purpose was to hype Houken more.

Houken isn't going to win against Yotanwa if they fight, you can bet your ass on that.

That's kind of my point. He had a strength stat of 90, fodderizing him with one arm is very impressive.

Houken is a complete beast, and Duke Hyou could only compete with him because of his massive amount of weight. Even with one arm he's still very strong, and I think that the fight will be a stalemate.

Razh

@King:

That's kind of my point. He had a strength stat of 90, fodderizing him with one arm is very impressive.

Houken is a complete beast, and Duke Hyou could only compete with him because of his massive amount of weight. Even with one arm he's still very strong, and I think that the fight will be a stalemate.

I don't even know why people pay attention to those stats. I see someone mentioning them every once in a while. It doesn't mean much, otherwise all the battles would be boring and easy to predict.

Compared to Yotanwa's importance in the story so far, Gekishin is nobody.

King neti

@Razh:

I don't even know why people pay attention to those stats. I see someone mentioning them every once in a while. It doesn't mean much, otherwise all the battles would be boring and easy to predict.

Compared to Yotanwa's importance in the story so far, Gekishin is nobody.

So the authors opinion on the strength of his own characters doesn't matter? Gekishin wasn't a nobody he was a famous general, and he was used to hype Houken.

Purple Hermit

Gekishin was a nobody. All he did was copy some other dude's plans and made a name for himself that way, and I really don't think Hara really cared too much about him other than hyping up Houken.

Razh

@King:

So the authors opinion on the strength of his own characters doesn't matter? Gekishin wasn't a nobody he was a famous general, and he was used to hype Houken.

Not when we have Shin beating Rinko, for example. Those stats represent starting fighting predispositions, they don't determine how the fight will go on, if a fighter is going to make a critical hit, dodge and counterattack at a critical time or if someone from the side is going to hit one of the fighters with an arrow.

Ouki had a lower strength stat than Houken but he would have probably won if it weren't for the arrow. Yotanwa has (or better yet, had) 95 to Houken's 100 while Ouki had 98. 5 points aren't really a wall that can't be surpassed. And fights are more complex than those stats. If Houken is impaired in his fight, it might be enough to make them even or even make him weaker.

I don't think you understood what I said. As far as this story is concerned, Yotanwa can be considered an important character and Gekishin is a guest star at best.

Purple Hermit

Yeah I'm still under the impression that those stats are put in more for fun extras than to be taken too seriously.

King neti

@Razh:

Not when we have Shin beating Rinko, for example. Those stats represent starting fighting predispositions, they don't determine how the fight will go on, if a fighter is going to make a critical hit, dodge and counterattack at a critical time or if someone from the side is going to hit one of the fighters with an arrow.

Ouki had a lower strength stat than Houken but he would have probably won if it weren't for the arrow. Yotanwa has (or better yet, had) 95 to Houken's 100 while Ouki had 98. 5 points aren't really a wall that can't be surpassed. And fights are more complex than those stats. If Houken is impaired in his fight, it might be enough to make them even or even make him weaker.

I don't think you understood what I said. As far as this story is concerned, Yotanwa can be considered an important character and Gekishin is a guest star at best.

Shin beat rinko because of his alpha(included in the stats), and he only got an advantage against Rinko after one of his fodder soilders distracted rinko. I never said that the stats determine how the fight will progress, but they do represent the general fighting skill/strength of the characters. A weaker fighter can defeat a stronger fighter, but that doesn't change the fact that the stronger fighter is more likely to win.(assuming equal circumstances)

Ouki defeated Houken because he has more weight as a general, and because of the death of Kyou. Houken even said that he was faster and stronger than Ouki, and that he couldn't understand why Ouki was winning.

I never said that stats were the end all to a fight, but you're acting on the pretense that I did. You on the other hand said that they mean nothing a minute ago, and than said that they represent the fighting predispositions of the characters. idk why you're acting like Geki's stat doesn't reflect his true strength when we have no reason to believe that it doesn't, or why you're comparing Houken's stats to Yotanwa's when I never brought up her stats.

Yotanwa is far more important to the story, but that doesn't mean that she'll get plot armor and defeat someone who's stronger than her. I simply used Geki shin as a way to show how strong Houken is, and it makes sense to do so since the entire point of Geki's character was to show how insanely powerful Houken is.

It's like you're arguing against something that I never said or implied.

@Purple:

Yeah I'm still under the impression that those stats are put in more for fun extras than to be taken too seriously.

Why? They're fairly consistent to the story as long as you acknowledge things like emotion, "weight" and experience.

Razh

You're the one who brought up stats so I went along with it. If I need to make it clearer for you, they do represent something, but they mean nothing in the end, since we've already seen fighters with lower stats overpowering fighters with higher stats. That's what I meant. Don't see the need to judge every sentence literary like that.

I already spent far too much time on this than I planned. Don't really care if I assumed wrong. My bad if I did.

Mirage

Honestly I didn't like the reappearance of mountain tribe as much as I should, I didn't feel anything, I thought it was too obvious, but still it was not that bad .

I wanted to know guys, did mountain tribe really existed in history of China? Or are they just fictional character? That's a question that bothers me since the first volumes.

Gatekeeper

@King:

Why? They're fairly consistent to the story as long as you acknowledge things like emotion, "weight" and experience.

Weight as in what Mougou and Choutou were talking about what or how much Duke Hyou weighs? I agree with your views on stats, they are just there for us to gauge the character's strengths and such, in comparison to each other.

On another note, since his name was mentioned again, poor Gekishin, in addition to being shitted on by the blandest character in the series, you were a plagiarist and old as hell too (Good job on not letting your greys show though lol).

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@Mirage:

Honestly I didn't like the reappearance of mountain tribe as much as I should, I didn't feel anything, I thought it was too obvious, but still it was not that bad .

I wanted to know guys, did mountain tribe really existed in history of China? Or are they just fictional character? That's a question that bothers me since the first volumes.

They probably existed, but they probably were not led by Yo Tan Wa (real life Yo Tan Wa was a Qin general and a male). They were probably kinda like the Xiongnu to the north and Baiyue to the south, not really important in the unification story.

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@Razh:

since we've already seen fighters with lower stats overpowering fighters with higher stats.

Care to refresh my memory? Other than Shin and the classic Ouki, who has done this?

King neti

@Gatekeeper:

Weight as in what Mougou and Choutou were talking about what or how much Duke Hyou weighs? I agree with your views on stats, they are just there for us to gauge the character's strengths and such, in comparison to each other.

On another note, since his name was mentioned again, poor Gekishin, in addition to being shitted on by the blandest character in the series, you were a plagiarist and old as hell too (Good job on not letting your greys show though lol).

lol, what Mougou and Choutou were talking about.

@Razh
Weaker characters fighting characters that would normally be stronger than them doesn't invalidate the stats, it just proves that there are other factors to consider like the ones I mentioned.

Gatekeeper

@King:

lol, what Mougou and Choutou were talking about.

Yeah, I was confused. I thought you were saying weight as in 190 kg or something because you said the Duke only matched up with Houken as a result of his bulk. But, I guess that is important too, otherwise, if Yo Tan Wa were to block Houken's slash, she would be sent flying pretty easily, even with one arm (whew, comma spam).

King neti

@Gatekeeper:

Yeah, I was confused. I thought you were saying weight as in 190 kg or something because you said the Duke only matched up with Houken as a result of his bulk. But, I guess that is important too, otherwise, if Yo Tan Wa were to block Houken's slash, she would be sent flying pretty easily, even with one arm (whew, comma spam).

I meant that when I mentioned Duke Hyou too. The way he performed during the latter half of the fight was due to the "weight/experience" he gained as a general imo.

Gatekeeper

@King:

The way he performed during the latter half of the fight was due to the "weight/experience" he gained as a general imo.

True dat. Hell, if I got my arm cut off by that bastard, I would've freaked out, much less thinking about breaking his arm in return. Hopefully, Shin will have already learned this, I don't want any other generals to die so Shin can realize this (although the remaining Qin generals existed in real life so plot armor?)

Purple Hermit

@King:

Why? They're fairly consistent to the story as long as you acknowledge things like emotion, "weight" and experience.

They're just that. They're just numbers meant to fit a little bit but I really don't think they're supposed to be taken too seriously. They fit in enough ish to show some stuff like small comparisons like the three kids aiming to be generals but warfare is never so simple to chalk it up to numbers, especially when the author needs to keep up a continuous narrative. And once you get into the 90's or so when the cap of anything is 100 it really is hard to believe that no one is capable of surpassing someone like Houken. Like, a cap of 100 just seems incredibly arbitrary, and anything in the scale of 90's is probably already impressive, so why use them as hard numbers to say "oh, he or she only won based on this particular stat"?