I started this a little bit in one other thread in the past.
Ever since Ennies Lobby, I lost my taste in One Piece. I don't know whether or not it was because of the voice acting, the animation, or the friendship save Robin thing, but something just alienated me ever since. It could just be me, though.
Sorry if this was posted in the wrong area.
Do you only watch the anime?
I started this a little bit in one other thread in the past.
Ever since Ennies Lobby, I lost my taste in One Piece. I don't know whether or not it was because of the voice acting, the animation, or the friendship save Robin thing
How is that a bad thing ?
I mean compare that to Fairy Tail where "friendship" is a legitimate asspull solution to everything and well, your complaint seems a bt shallow :P
Friendship didn't save Robin, the StrawHats did. Like No Maam just said, this isn't Fairy Tail where friendship is magic.
But a friend/nakama of the StrawHats was kidnapped, what the hell did you wanted them to do? Luffy did the same thing with Zoro, Usopp, Sanji, Nami, Chopper and Vivi. "You're my friend now so I'll help you with whatever you need".
Now in terms of getting you back to it I'll just say this: You've missed a war betwen the Whitebeard Pirates and the World Governament and Luffy's and Ace backstory.
And those where a very worth read ( I haven't watched the anime in a long long time so I don't know if they're dropping the ball on it)
If those are the excuses you're going to make, I'm not sure if I'ld want you to get back into the series. :ninja:
Rewatch the arcs that made you love the series and have faith that feeling will come back.
Just read/watch it from the beginning.
It it doesn't help, One Piece just isn't for you.
If those are the excuses you're going to make, I'm not sure if I'ld want you to get back into the series. :ninja:
i agree.we have no use for traitors.:ninja:
especially those who don't read the manga.
Forget the anime and read the manga instead. It's brilliant is all you need to know.
Try to watch some nice AMVs, it worked for me :)
If Enies Lobby is what turned you off the series, then One Piece might not be for you.
What was it that you liked about the series prior to that arc?
I started this a little bit in one other thread in the past.
Ever since Ennies Lobby, I lost my taste in One Piece. I don't know whether or not it was because of the voice acting, the animation, or the friendship save Robin thing, but something just alienated me ever since. It could just be me, though.
Sorry if this was posted in the wrong area.
Why do you have Law in your avatar then?
Don't watch the anime, I stopped to watch it frequently by Impel down because of all the cartoonish noises and progressively shittier animation, the animation nowadays has been horrible.
Whats the problem with the whole Robin situation? that was pretty damn good, I don't remember anyone being annoyed by that, I remember people thinking so many figths kinda dragged the arc but not people having problems with that plus, their are a crew, Robin is part of the crew, they are her friends but its not like some kind of bullshit friendship power up happened for them to save Robin(sorry had to make the Fairy Tail reference like others did)…
Anyway maybe One Piece isn't for you but another thing I can say is drop the anime like others have done and read the manga.
I started this a little bit in one other thread in the past.
Ever since Ennies Lobby, I lost my taste in One Piece. I don't know whether or not it was because of the voice acting, the animation, or the friendship save Robin thing, but something just alienated me ever since. It could just be me, though.
Sorry if this was posted in the wrong area.
Rewatch skypedia arc and read thriller bark. Both give off the spirit of adventure that embodies this series.
Return to One Piece.
We have cookies, boob slides, Trafalgar Law's fine ass, Odatrolling and sweet sweet epicness <3
I think you guys scared him away.
I think you guys scared him away.
I'm merely trying to embrace him with glorious none-romancical love.
Watch the 6th movie and Sabaody again.
I'm merely trying to embrace him with glorious none-romancical love.
Everything you do is glorious empress.
Watch the 6th movie and Sabaody again.
That animation was brilliant and reminded me so much of the Digimon Movie (because it had the same animators [/derp]) but I told a friend who's almost at episode 100 to give it a miss for a while… I don't know how he's gonna react to a certain ship moment when he cried at the dragon in the filler . , .
If Enies Lobby is what turned you off the series, then One Piece might not be for you.
What was it that you liked about the series prior to that arc?
If Enies Lobby turned him off than it's exactly the manga for him, Enies Lobby is the weakest arc next to Punk Hazard.
Enies Lobby didn't really have much going for it besides fighting.
The best parts of it were the flashback, Usopp's encouragement, and the Going Merry saving them all. Notice how none of those are fighting.
Sanji's character was ruined forever. The worst fight in the entire series took place. Spammable powers like Gear Second were introduced. Spandam had more character than all of the other CP9 combined. I can only imagine that it was even more frustrating for an anime watcher, although I actually like the Lucci fight in the anime.
EDIT: Also, Thriller Barque is like ten times worse, but whatever.
I started this a little bit in one other thread in the past.
Ever since Ennies Lobby, I lost my taste in One Piece. I don't know whether or not it was because of the voice acting, the animation, or the friendship save Robin thing, but something just alienated me ever since. It could just be me, though.
Sorry if this was posted in the wrong area.
I'd just give up. Why fight something you don't have to fight?
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I still don't understand it. I loved Water 7/Ennies Lobby and Thriller Bark. But it seems most hated it. I thought they were extremely fun and interesting.
I felt Impel Down/ Marine Ford were much less engaging.
I still don't understand it. I loved Water 7/Ennies Lobby and Thriller Bark. But it seems most hated it. I thought they were extremely fun and interesting.
I felt Impel Down/ Marine Ford were much less engaging.
Everyone loves Water7.
@Monkey:
If Enies Lobby turned him off than it's exactly the manga for him, Enies Lobby is the weakest arc next to Punk Hazard.
Say what? You're saying that Punk Hazard's the second weakest arc in the series? I know it dragged a lot near the end but the start and middle of the arc was perfect IMO.
Say what? You're saying that Punk Hazard's the second weakest arc in the series? I know it dragged a lot near the end but the start and middle of the arc was perfect IMO.
It was easily the most boring arc in the entire series, did it even have structure enough to HAVE middles and ends lol?
The good stuff about it is more what was accomplished and what it lead to, Oda should have wrapped that all up in one volume like he did with Amazon Lilly and gotten on with things. It was extremely tedious otherwise and the idea that someone would call an arc that had zero adventure aspects to it, near perfect is exactly the kind of thing that makes me wonder if One Piece has been flying a little too close to the barren soulless wasteland of Bleach as of late, and picked some of it's fans up.
@Monkey:
It was easily the most boring arc in the entire series, did it even have structure enough to HAVE middles and ends lol?
The good stuff about it is more what was accomplished and what it lead to, Oda should have wrapped that all up in one volume like he did with Amazon Lilly and gotten on with things. It was extremely tedious otherwise and the idea that someone would call an arc that had zero adventure aspects to it, near perfect is exactly the kind of thing that makes me wonder if One Piece has been flying a little too close to the barren soulless wasteland of Bleach as of late, and picked some of it's fans up.
I think the Straw Hats exploring an island totally new and unheard of to the reader, with its own wacky climate and inhabitants qualifies as an adventure. I'll retract my statement that the middle of the arc was perfect, but I honestly think the start was One Piece at its finest.
P.S. I've never read Bleach past the first chapter.
I think the Straw Hats exploring an island totally new and unheard of to the reader, with its own wacky climate and inhabitants
In a series with Skypiea? The most generic possible SNOW AREA/FIRE AREA landscape really can't be considered passing any kind of bar. Especially after Drum and even that brief shot of wherever Robin was sent by Kuma far surpass the bland snow zone.
Aside from Caesar's lab there was literally nothing on the island, it didn't have inhabitants, a history, fauna, flora, interesting geography etc. It had a secret lab with some monster guards and the closest thing to civilians, the kids.
There was no adventure, it was a raid on a lab that got ballooned into four volumes for no good reason.
It was basically nonstop running around and fighting from the second they stepped foot on the island. With plot points and twists (all of which are set ups for other arcs from Dressrosa to Wano) tossed at us from the side.
but I honestly think the start was One Piece at its finest.
The PH arc was decent, but had some really nasty flaws due to lack of balance (which seems to be one of Oda's weaknesses due to balancing characters, various plotlines, etc…). The biggest offenders were Rock and Scotch (wasted potential) and the mini-sub plot of CC's interest in Franky's laser that went nowhere. I have no idea why he bothered to even mention the latter since it amounted to nothing. It's like Oda had a plan to go somewhere with it, but then ran out of time (or couldn't think of a good conclusion) so he dropped the idea and never mentioned it again.
Dressrosa is so far doing everything PH did wrong and doing the opposite. First time I've been pumped since Fishman Island didn't live up to expectations.
@Monkey:
It was easily the most boring arc in the entire series, did it even have structure enough to HAVE middles and ends lol?
The good stuff about it is more what was accomplished and what it lead to, Oda should have wrapped that all up in one volume like he did with Amazon Lilly and gotten on with things. It was extremely tedious otherwise and the idea that someone would call an arc that had zero adventure aspects to it, near perfect is exactly the kind of thing that makes me wonder if One Piece has been flying a little too close to the barren soulless wasteland of Bleach as of late, and picked some of it's fans up.
I can't really agree with your assessment that it lacked adventure. Adventure is, by definition, an unusual or exciting undertaking. What part of Punk Hazard wasn't unusual? An Island that's half covered in ice and half set ablaze combined with a mad scientist, mysteriously giant children, and harpies, dragons, and -taurs abound are all things we haven't seen before in the manga and neither have the Straw Hats. It totally had a structure as well. The beginning part of Punk Hazard is primarily set during the chapters where the crew is wandering around the different halves of the island as they start to discover the mysterious circumstances of the island and those that inhabit it - especially with regard to the children and Brownbeard. The middle, or second act, starts essentially from the moment the crew decides as a group to help the kids, ally with Law, and defeat Caesar. Like any good second act, it's marked by the inability of Luffy and his friends to do exactly that - Luffy's captured, Team Zoro is knocked out by KYP gas rounds, and so on. The end obviously deals with the resolution of everything - Luffy beats Ceasar, Chopper and Nami help the kids, and Law defeats Vergo. Roughly speaking, the beginning probably includes chapters 655 to 668, the middle includes 669 to 677-ish, and the end is from 678 on, with the climax probably being chapters 689 to 692, or thereabouts. I do think that we could have done with a few chapters less, mostly by shaving off some of the extraneous running scenes, but it's Oda's style to get deeply involved with all of the details, even when he probably shouldn't. Seeing the world at large connect to the Punk Hazard arc was really, really great, though, and I think that has a lot to do with why so many people enjoyed this arc. I know I did.
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The PH arc was decent, but had some really nasty flaws due to lack of balance (which seems to be one of Oda's weaknesses due to balancing characters, various plotlines, etc…). The biggest offenders were Rock and Scotch (wasted potential) and the mini-sub plot of CC's interest in Franky's laser that went nowhere. I have no idea why he bothered to even mention the latter since it amounted to nothing. It's like Oda had a plan to go somewhere with it, but then ran out of time (or couldn't think of a good conclusion) so he dropped the idea and never mentioned it again.
I really dislike the "wasted potential" argument when it comes to characters. Oda does tend to use his characters extremely well, but not all characters are created equal and Rock and Scotch played their roles just fine. Not every character needs to be in 30 chapters an arc. Remember the conductors from Water 7? And the three-headed judge from Enies Lobby? More characters that were only in a few chapters. And I don't really think Oda needed to do much more with CC's interest in Franky's laser. He'd intended to capture Franky and he did. Franky disappeared right after that, though, and that was that. Not quite sure what you expected to happen.
@Monkey:
In a series with Skypiea? The most generic possible SNOW AREA/FIRE AREA landscape really can't be considered passing any kind of bar. Especially after Drum and even that brief shot of wherever Robin was sent by Kuma far surpass the bland snow zone.
Aside from Caesar's lab there was literally nothing on the island, it didn't have inhabitants, a history, fauna, flora, interesting geography etc. It had a secret lab with some monster guards and the closest thing to civilians, the kids.
There was no adventure, it was a raid on a lab that got ballooned into four volumes for no good reason.
It was basically nonstop running around and fighting from the second they stepped foot on the island. With plot points and twists (all of which are set ups for other arcs from Dressrosa to Wano) tossed at us from the side.
I won't try and defend the arc, as I completely agree with you that it was far longer than it should have been, but as nonectra stated, what happened from around chapter 655-663 (the start of the arc) was completely in line with the definition of an adventure; "An unusual and exciting, typically hazardous, experience or activity."
I can't really agree with your assessment that it lacked adventure. Adventure is, by definition,
Yeah gonna stop you right there. Do not turn this into Left Brain Robo Festival already. Put away the adventure measurement tape.
It does NOT work like that.
It totally had a structure as well. The beginning part of Punk Hazard is primarily set during the chapters where the crew is wandering around the different halves of the island as they start to discover the mysterious circumstances of the island and those that inhabit it - especially with regard to the children and Brownbeard. The middle, or second act, starts essentially from the moment the crew decides as a group to help the kids,ally with Law, and defeat Caesar. Like any good second act, it's marked by the inability of Luffy and his friends to do exactly that - Luffy's captured, Team Zoro is knocked out by KYP gas rounds, and so on. The end obviously deals with the resolution of everything - Luffy beats Ceasar, Chopper and Nami help the kids, and Law defeats Vergo. Roughly speaking, the beginning probably includes chapters 655 to 668, the middle includes 669 to 677-ish, and the end is from 678 on, with the climax probably being chapters 689 to 692, or thereabouts. I do think that we could have done with a few chapters less, mostly by shaving off some of the extraneous running scenes, but it's Oda's style to get deeply involved with all of the details, even when he probably shouldn't. Seeing the world at large connect to the Punk Hazard arc was really, really great, though, and I think that has a lot to do with why so many people enjoyed this arc. I know I did.
Ugh and the rest is goddamn robo shit.
"Look it technically had a structure!".
Now let's apply that to my complaint that the arc was nonstop movement and chaos from the start, I'm glad you can cast a vague three part box around the oozing blob of action scenes and sloppily thrown on exposition for other story lines, but that isn't any kind of triumph whatsoever.
Basically what you have is the start was the chaos before some small inconsequential mysteries that too highly resembled Thriller Barque were revealed, to the point that certain characters yelled stuff in that same chaos, to the point where the chaos unraveled. The closest thing to a breather we got was the part where Luffy and Law and some others were in a cage.
Hell Vergo was so poorly defined and so suddenly introduced and taken away, with no context aside from HERE I AM, I AM THIS, GRR, FIGHT, BYE. A waste.
No, adventure and plot defined nothing on Punk Hazard when taken in a vacuum. It was an action arc, and not very well pulled off action either.
It would have maybe worked with severe editing, and one volume of length.
Oh btw, what DETAIL are you talking about? 50% of the overlength was painfully drawn out action scenes and people running around from one place to another. Oda's overly detailed stuff is not that kind of canon filler.
I really dislike the "wasted potential" argument when it comes to characters. Oda does tend to use his characters extremely well, but not all characters are created equal and Rock and Scotch played their roles just fine.
Who were they? What did their faces look like? Were they even defeated exactly?
Not every character needs to be in 30 chapters an arc. Remember the conductors from Water 7?
Kocoro, Chimney and Gonbe, whose names I still remember were popping in and out of not only Water7 but Enies Lobby too.
And the three-headed judge from Enies Lobby?
They were the official judge of EL, it was three guys in one suit, and we clearly saw them beaten right before the crew reached the top of the court house.
Three big details apparently too good for the weird random faceless Yeti dudes.
At the beginning, it seemed like Punk Hazard was going to be the weirdest, and one of the best arcs in OP history.
Just like Thriller Barque. :ninja:
I really dislike the "wasted potential" argument when it comes to characters. Oda does tend to use his characters extremely well, but not all characters are created equal and Rock and Scotch played their roles just fine. Not every character needs to be in 30 chapters an arc. Remember the conductors from Water 7? And the three-headed judge from Enies Lobby? More characters that were only in a few chapters. And I don't really think Oda needed to do much more with CC's interest in Franky's laser. He'd intended to capture Franky and he did. Franky disappeared right after that, though, and that was that. Not quite sure what you expected to happen.
Then why bother building them up? These are the first bounty hunters we are introduced to in the NW and they are abruptly tossed out of the story. Also why hide their faces and have some sort of buildup and expectations behind them? Why even make them Yetis (something we haven't even seen before either)? The previous characters you listed don't really have build ups and their toss aways were expected, but Rock and Scotch had some build up behind them (albiet not a lot, but they had some background tossed in to suggest they are a "threat"). Also it is a real shame since we really haven't gotten any good bounty hunters and Rock and scotch were supposed to be "good ones". That's also not to say Oda didn't toss away potentially interesting characters either in the past.
(PS: What Water 7 conductors? You mean Kokoro? She wasn't tossed away at all. The Three Headed Judge…gag character and no build up. I would say Nero had some buildup, but who cares, he was presented as the CP9 "noob").
Oh I also hate Shinokuni and how...easily that was resolved. Makes the G5's sacrifice kinda...meh, but at least their hearts were in the right place. But still, it really diminished the potential threat of the Shinokuni if people can just...burst out of them as well as there being a cure found by some nameless guy at a Marine lab.
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Enies Lobby didn't really have much going for it besides fighting.
The best parts of it were the flashback, Usopp's encouragement, and the Going Merry saving them all. Notice how none of those are fighting.Sanji's character was ruined forever. The worst fight in the entire series took place. Spammable powers like Gear Second were introduced. Spandam had more character than all of the other CP9 combined. I can only imagine that it was even more frustrating for an anime watcher, although I actually like the Lucci fight in the anime.
EDIT: Also, Thriller Barque is like ten times worse, but whatever.
Sanji a character was in no way ruined forever. He built upon and solidified his "I'll never kick a women" ideals and still saved the Strawhats by lowering the bridge AND showed understanding and respect to ussop when he took over his fight with jabura. A lot of people give him flak(and idk if this is what you were getting at) for loosing to kalifa but its been stated since day one how he feels a out women and whether right or wrong hes stuck to it. it isnt always an asset but thats how he is, hes crazy and flawed just like anyone else in this series. If anything ruined him it was fishman island and that nosebleed be that went on far too long and became implausible because in all honesty Sanji could get with any multitude of women in any universe and that'd solve his nosebleed problem but as everyone says Oda just likes the gag so we get completely implausible virgin sanji. Sanji rant done.
It's your opinion if you don't like the power ups but I'm curious what you think the worst right was? I loved, absolutely LOVED franky vs. fukuro, Luffy vs. lucci, and luffy vs. blueno.
I don't think Enies lobby arc is anywhere near the best arc, it's basically just one big brawl but thats exactly what ir was supposed to be. It's the culmination of the events of water 7 and that was the set up and Enies lobby was the pay off. As a shine. Rescue arc it's pretty damn amazing if I say so myself.
I think thriller bark (aside from the ending which was bullshit) was the best arc to date IMO. Excellent use of a genre, great adventure, amazing flashback, awesome new character, and the crew busted out some eyeball melting teamwork. A+++ in my book.
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Let's just be honest here: The Watchmen movie was a complete and utter, extremely boring, blue man penis filled abomination.
And I don't even feel this way, it's just a hilarious quote.
Thriller Barque was weak imo, it was incredibly strong on design and imagination…but Oda like..didn't have much plot for it I guess, which left me bored.
And it's a shame because so much of what Oda was doing visually and creatively was so great. Thankfully it wasn't so long.
Problem 1: You watch the anime.
Problem 2: You never read the manga.
Solution: Read the manga.
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The only arcs that can turn someone off from one piece,are the buggy arc in the beginning and the davy back fight(the only arc i didn't like).It seems skypea can turn some people off too but they are rare.
Enies lobby might not be the best arc but it's definitely an enjoyable arc,with a lot of action,good fights,drama and it's where luffy improved the most(putting aside the TS)from the previous arc.For these reasons it's hard to dismiss it.You should try rereading it(or rewatching it)starting from water 7 maybe you were not in the mood for one piece at that time
It's your opinion if you don't like the power ups but I'm curious what you think the worst fight was? I loved, absolutely LOVED franky vs. fukuro, Luffy vs. lucci, and luffy vs. blueno.
Nami vs. Kalifa.
I think thriller bark (aside from the ending which was bullshit) was the best arc to date IMO. Excellent use of a genre, great adventure, amazing flashback, awesome new character, and the crew busted out some eyeball melting teamwork. A+++ in my book.
The fact that it had an atmosphere in such stark contrast with the rest of the series, already made it feel isolated. The fact that it wasn't immediately linked with any other plot point until Kuma showed up… That didn't help. It felt like an intrusion into the story, to be honest.
I was genuinely impressed by the teamwork during the Oars fight, but literally every other aspect of the fight made me cringe. Why did it never end, no matter how many times the thing was defeated? Why did Oars have the worst design in the history of the manga? Or so I thought, until Nightmare Luffy showed up. Why did Nightmare Luffy show up, anyway? I really thought that Oars was going to be defeated by the concerted effort of the "weaker" Straw Hats working together. Instead, their inferiority was cemented, and Luffy has never slowed down since. He solo'd Moria in what could only be described as an afterthought. Speaking of which, Moria came in with all sorts of bullshit just to prolong the fight. Maybe if you like tennis, you would have enjoyed the infinite back-and-forth, but I don't and I didn't. My god, the DESIGN of OARS WHYYY.
AND IT CAME BACK (in the Marineford arc).
So yeah, I didn't like it. Also, Nami rape scene.
Then why bother building them up? These are the first bounty hunters we are introduced to in the NW and they are abruptly tossed out of the story. Also why hide their faces and have some sort of buildup and expectations behind them? Why even make them Yetis (something we haven't even seen before either)? The previous characters you listed don't really have build ups and their toss aways were expected, but Rock and Scotch had some build up behind them (albiet not a lot, but they had some background tossed in to suggest they are a "threat"). Also it is a real shame since we really haven't gotten any good bounty hunters and Rock and scotch were supposed to be "good ones". That's also not to say Oda didn't toss away potentially interesting characters either in the past.
The Yeti Cool Brothers are assassins, not bounty hunters.
I really thought that Oars was going to be defeated by the concerted effort of the "weaker" Straw Hats working together. [/QUOTE
He wasn't defeated by Nightmare Luffy,instead standing up for to recieve one last coordinated beating from the entire crew,with Luffy.
I loved Thriller Bark. I liked that we got some combo fights and all the strangeness that went on. I think they only thing that truly bugged me was Hogback's laugh.
The fact that it had an atmosphere in such stark contrast with the rest of the series, already made it feel isolated. The fact that it wasn't immediately linked with any other plot point
Slypeia was awesome, shut up! Oh, not Skypeia? Well, Davy Back was fun, despite what you… Oh wait, thriller bark?
I was genuinely impressed by the teamwork during the Oars fight, but literally every other aspect of the fight made me cringe. Why did it never end, no matter how many times the thing was defeated? Why did Oars have the worst design in the history of the manga? Or so I thought, until Nightmare Luffy showed up. Why did Nightmare Luffy show up, anyway? I really thought that Oars was going to be defeated by the concerted effort of the "weaker" Straw Hats working together. Instead, their inferiority was cemented, and Luffy has never slowed down since.
Uhm, Nightmare Luffy didn't do anything. He stopped one attack and gave the crew time to recoup, then his powerup ran out. It was still entirely a team effort to take Oars down, based around Chopper's strategy and needing them all to coordinate to deliver the proper blows..
He solo'd Moria in what could only be described as an afterthought.
Using up all his strength and energy in an all out desperation move before the sun rose, and verbally entrusting his crew with whatever came next after he fainted? And, Moria had been weakend by the crew prior to that.
Speaking of which, Moria came in with all sorts of bullshit just to prolong the fight. Maybe if you like tennis, you would have enjoyed the infinite back-and-forth, but I don't and I didn't.
yeah, its not like Krieg, Arlong, Wapol, Crocodile, Enel, Foxy or Lucchi had any back and forth where they came back from the edge of defeat for one more round or prolonged their fights artificially where they pulled out new tricks or forced Luffy to try something else, or that Luffy even nearly lost several of those fights.
(PS: What Water 7 conductors? You mean Kokoro? She wasn't tossed away at all.
@Monkey:
Kocoro, Chimney and Gonbe, whose names I still remember were popping in and out of not only Water7 but Enies Lobby too.
I believe he was talking about http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Bushon_and_Stevie.
Nami vs. Kalifa.
The fact that it had an atmosphere in such stark contrast with the rest of the series, already made it feel isolated. The fact that it wasn't immediately linked with any other plot point until Kuma showed up… That didn't help. It felt like an intrusion into the story, to be honest.
I was genuinely impressed by the teamwork during the Oars fight, but literally every other aspect of the fight made me cringe. Why did it never end, no matter how many times the thing was defeated? Why did Oars have the worst design in the history of the manga? Or so I thought, until Nightmare Luffy showed up. Why did Nightmare Luffy show up, anyway? I really thought that Oars was going to be defeated by the concerted effort of the "weaker" Straw Hats working together. Instead, their inferiority was cemented, and Luffy has never slowed down since. He solo'd Moria in what could only be described as an afterthought. Speaking of which, Moria came in with all sorts of bullshit just to prolong the fight. Maybe if you like tennis, you would have enjoyed the infinite back-and-forth, but I don't and I didn't. My god, the DESIGN of OARS WHYYY.
AND IT CAME BACK (in the Marineford arc).
So yeah, I didn't like it. Also, Nami rape scene.
Yeah Nami vs. Kalifa wasn't good. That was an instance where Nami should have died instantly.
I don't see how you could say that thriller bark in particular has an atmosphere that's too different when almost every arc has a completely different atmosphere. Besides horror is a popular genre so why not. And kuma showed up halfway through. Other arcs kept us waiting for their significance just as long or longer. AND Thriller bark imo was NECESSARY because it showed one of the most important aspects of any adventure story that is so often forgotten. That sometimes along a journey, people will challenge you who are just weaker than you, plain and simple. Aside from fodder guys everyone luffy has fought in the grand line has been a match for him, it was fun to see a physically weaker opponent use trickery and deception to get a leg up on the crew.
Eh I thought Oars design was fine but whatever.
Robby basically explained why you're wrong. The manga highlighted the fact that luffy DID NOT beat Oars by hand waving all his effort when Moria basically gets up and calls luffy a fool for even trying to win with brute strength. It was certainly a team effort.
I do believe the fight went on too long though. I would have rather Things gone down 1 of two ways.
A. The crew fights and when nightmare luffy shows up they all rally together and Nightmare luffy Solo's Moria while the crew takes down oars with choppers plan. With robin perhaps taking Luffy's place breaking oars spine.
B. The same way things happened in the manga but Moria never gets back up to go nightmare Moria and we instead see him use that form scaled down and more effective during the war.
Either of those would have been excellent and more satisfying. Oda has seriously had a problem dragging things out lately IMO. Looking back at alabasta and then looking at impel down and punk hazard, there is just unnecessary stuff happening in each arc. Smh
I'm surprised people don't like PH. I thought it was crazy awesome. Of course I love every arc without exception, I'm just that way I guess
I guess I don't get into nitpick mode unless the series as a whole is bad (like Bleach), and then the switch flips and I tear into it with gusto.
I loved Punk Hazard, but there were some elements that sucked about it.
Definitly an improvement from Fishman island.
