This seems to be circling around. I'm almost at a stage where I could see myself thinking this was the actual scanlation if I stumbled onto it first.
Now if whoever wrote that, makes similar stuff for past chapters that would be so awesome/funny. XD
Bleach Discussion 0: Hello Darkness my old friend
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It seems kind of right but at the same time Ichibei's power doesn't really make much sense either
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This seems to be circling around. I'm almost at a stage where I could see myself thinking this was the actual scanlation if I stumbled onto it first.
I'm reminded on how disturbing Ichibei's faces got in this chapter.
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Aizen was a villain you loved to hate and/or make fun of.
Ymachguchi, there is no love. He is a villain you just hate and make fun of.
The next villain must be completely nonsensical to continue the series getting worse.
A bottle of bleach.
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You know, the thing about Bleach is I can never tell if a character is being hyperbolic, symbolic, or explaining something literally.
In any case, this chapter doesn't make a lick of sense.
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You know, the thing Bleach is I can never tell if a character is being hyperbolic, symbolic, or explaining something literally.
In any case, this chapter doesn't make a lick of sense.
If not then to paraphrase John McClane
Then we're both fucked.
A bottle of bleach.
Does it make the medicine go down?
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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According to Haschwalth, Ywach could not use his All Mighty power within the time period of 9 years of regaining his powers.
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According to Haschwalth, Ywach could not use his All Mighty power within the time period of 9 years of regaining his powers.
In other word, asspull.
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Almighty? Nope, its A for Asspull.
I have little to no idea what's going on in bleach anymore. I bet you could just fill in the speech bubbles with random sentences and it would make just as much sense.
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'A' might as well stand for 'The Author'.
In other word, Kubo. Makes sense if mere creation like Ichibei couldn't stand against his own creator, the true manipulator of spilled ink. Drinking Bleach is one thing, but ink is even worse choice.
I don't know why, but Haschwalth pisses me off. Why would he look so worried when Yhwach was renamed into "Black Ant" when he in fact knew that Yhwach was omnipotent all along?
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I saw the first 60 episodes of this show (aka when it was amazingly perfect) and slowly lost interest. I then read the final Aizen fight and the first 3/4 fullbring, then the last 1/8 of fullbring before giving up again.
So is it really bad now? I also heard Hitsugaya died and that Aizen could be back now or something.
FMA 03> FMA Brotherhood
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I want to ask you guys a serious question, please try to be fair about this.
Why do people bash Kubo constantly for choosing to draw pages with no backgrounds and big panels, yet manga like Vagabond do the same thing and no one says anything bad about them? Same thing goes for the similar character designs.
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@Monkey:
I want to ask you guys a serious question, please try to be fair about this.
Why do people bash Kubo constantly for choosing to draw pages with no backgrounds and big panels, yet manga like Vagabond do the same thing and no one says anything bad about them? Same thing goes for the similar character designs.
I think because said people don't read Vagabond.
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@Monkey:
I want to ask you guys a serious question, please try to be fair about this.
Why do people bash Kubo constantly for choosing to draw pages with no backgrounds and big panels, yet manga like Vagabond do the same thing and no one says anything bad about them? Same thing goes for the similar character designs.
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The problem isn't having pages without background and big panels and Characters with similar designs. The problem is the quantity of them and their density. Each manga is different and don't need to have the same density and quantity of those things, but an extreme is an extreme. Is like in painting, you can be minimalist and still be excellent, but when you go to the point of only drawing a blot of painting in the center of the canvas, or write "heart" on it, is the extreme!
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So is it really bad now?
It is bad, like it was during fake karakura, fullbring etc. It is just bleach. Maybe something cool looking happens, but the writing is and always will be bad.^^
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The heart
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So is it really bad now? I also heard Hitsugaya died and that Aizen could be back now or something.
And Matsumoto(his vice-captain and second main fanservice), but don't worry, they aren't quite dead.
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@Monkey:
I want to ask you guys a serious question, please try to be fair about this.
Why do people bash Kubo constantly for choosing to draw pages with no backgrounds and big panels, yet manga like Vagabond do the same thing and no one says anything bad about them? Same thing goes for the similar character designs.
Backgrounds :
Omitting background so it won't distract the readers from the focus point (the character's expression) is actually a legitimate move. But in the other hand, doing the same thing on full body shots will only confuse the readers due the absence of "setting". However, it's excused by Kubo's habit of drawing fights on "nothingness" where the setting itself is hardly as important as the fight itself :! - In SS we had identical roofless maze-like halls and corridors
- Arrancar Arc had desert with random stone pillars and plain buildings and near-identical interiors with excessive number of pillars
- Fake Karakura gave us identical tall buildings being destroyed to show so-called collateral damage and power level of destruction
- Shitbringer Arc gave us surprisingly void atmosphere of Karakura, despite some of the scenes happened in the middle of civilization. Shitbringers jump on roofs and shit on some scenes, yet nobody took a notice. Why? Because apparently no one else but the casts live there
-Instead of giving us a better overall look of SS while it being utterly destroyed, Kubo changed the setting into Quincy's hometown that is nothing but rubble in the first place - Royal Realm that basically just vast empty space, filled with giant floating capsules, plates and platforms.
Have Kubo ever bothered to give us "mini map" to explain the positions of his characters during one grand scene? I don't think so. I've seen a lot of authors doing it, but why not Kubo? It's simple. To him, settings never mattered in the first place. As long there's fight to draw, it can be anywhere.
Characters : Bleach's characters are now not as 'colorful' as before back in first arc. The recent characters not only have recycled look (this is general case, I know), but also made worse with their exact same smug and pretentious personalities. Combine those with their plain and minimalist appearances plus non-existent backgrounds. The absence of background became even glaring because the characters are just as boring.
Panels :
Big panels are meant to cover drawings with fair amount of details, be it from backgrounds or characters themselves. Bleach has no details to offer that merit the usage of big panels. It's the same as seeing a badly pixelated image in full screen resolution. It's pointless and waste of space.Conclusion :
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@Monkey:
Why do people bash Kubo constantly for choosing to draw pages with no backgrounds and big panels, yet manga like Vagabond do the same thing and no one says anything bad about them? Same thing goes for the similar character designs.
It's been covered, but my take:
Many of Kubo's panels, even the regular scenes, have little backgrounds going on. Soul Society, a feudal Japanese society? Mostly. Las Noches was a treasure trove of whiteness. It's great to have those few panels where there is nothing going on in the back, to really make the words/drawing stand out (Blackbeard's speech at Mock Town)
But that effects gets diminished as Kubo does/did it more and more, so it seems like laziness.
As for the character designs, we've all been there before, criticizing Oda for his same-y female designs, or Toriyama using similar faces too. It's certainly not very viable for a manga artist to unique faces for every character drawn, but it really sticks out for Kubo:
-the smug cocky look
-the look that tries to do smooth aloofness but seems like emotionless 90% of the timeDon't get me started on the contemporary Bleach combo of: half-lidded eyes and duck lips. Yeesh.
Although, to be fair, I think we've all kinda accepted Kubo-style art at this point, and most of the complaints (from my end, at least) are plot-based. It's easier to correct a narrative than art….I think.
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According to Haschwalth, Ywach could not use his All Mighty power within the time period of 9 years of regaining his powers.
Lol, I didn't notice those parts. Good job finding them.
It's yet another proof that Kubo doesn't bother taking notes of his important plot points. It could be that, or he simply wanted to retcon the last part just for dramatization of Yhwach's table-turning. -
Like we needed proof when he said in an interview that he invents characters on the fly when he's stuck in a corner or that he rereads older volumes to remember what happened when planning
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I think even Minkmen should stop reading at this point…
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I didn't understand anything of this BS.
Time to stop reading bleach.
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I didn't understand anything of this BS.
Time to stop reading bleach.
Hey, get back here and suffer like the rest of us.
They seem to be rushing for the finale, anyway.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's getting canceled or something.
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And I had healthy laugh… Kubo doesnt give a fuck about anything and he is so incosistent with all of set up ending in nothing that just wow.
Sorry he is consistent- cosistently giving us one asspull after another.This is so bad thats hilarious
when I thought Bleach cant fall any more then it just does :happy: Cannot wait for next chapter -
Kubo out kubo'd himself this time. Its like hes making this up as he goes along.
royal guards off-screened
literally nothing happens
you don't die when you're dead
asspull LOL KUBO "tweest"Why do i still read this shit?
This shit is so fucking disappointing.This is just getting hilarious.
yhwach can't be killed because supposedly he knows everything that will happen and therefore can counteract it (wot)
ichibei just needs someone to say his name when he dies, and therefore can't be killed permanently
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i didnt mind ywachs powers last week or anything before that , but this chapter was too much … why off screen the top shingamis and not show anything off from them ? we dont even know their zanpaktous names or anything ,,, and ichibeis death was all for nothing apparently because he can suddenly be reborn by sapping power from anyone that calls his name ....... wtf are chad , orihime and ganju going to do against juhas guards if the royal guard couldnt do anything to them ???? ,,, this was the worst chapter this year ,, atleast the chapter with PePe actually made some sense with his powers ,,,,,
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yawn zzzzzzzzzz
Aside from painter dude randomly reverse-exploding, there wasn't anything that was different from the standard Bleach fare. Just a boring and underwhelming chapter in general.
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Overall reaction.
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Ichigo finaly won one over me, if beardy had asked me to say his name, I'd stand there dumbfounded and Ichigolike, because I wouldn't remember.
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i didnt mind ywachs powers last week or anything before that , but this chapter was too much … why off screen the top shingamis and not show anything off from them ? we dont even know their zanpaktous names or anything ,,, and ichibeis death was all for nothing apparently because he can suddenly be reborn by sapping power from anyone that calls his name ....... wtf are chad , orihime and ganju going to do against juhas guards if the royal guard couldnt do anything to them ???? ,,, this was the worst chapter this year ,, atleast the chapter with PePe actually made some sense with his powers ,,,,,
We know 3 out of 5 of the RG's Zanpakutou names and saw them each showcase a few abilities before going down. I don't know why people are surprised we didn't see those fights. When Hyosube Ichibei (the strongest and leader) went down to Yhwach, it should have been obvious that we weren't going to see the rest of the RG go all out. We got to see Senjumaru, Nimaiya and Ichibei show their stuff so for the most part I'm satisfied with their portrayal.
Keep in mind that Chad and Orihime were training with Grimmjow and Urahara in Hueco Mundo and that Ganju has been training with Tsukishima and Ginjou who both gave post-skip Byakuya and Ichigo a serious run for their money. Urahara wouldn't send fodder to their deaths so I'm expecting all three of them to bring the pain against Yhwach's Elite Guard. That said, you're right that even with these power-ups they shouldn't win, but they should at least be strong enough at this point to hold their own until the Karakura Town Vizards, Urahara and Yoruichi's sister arrive to provide some backup.
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Soul King: "Yhwach, I am your father."
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Ichigo finaly won one over me, if beardy had asked me to say his name, I'd stand there dumbfounded and Ichigolike, because I wouldn't remember.
I wouldn't hold it against the guy if he forgot.
I'm going to assume the Soul King blessed him or something, because reviving based saying your name has to be the biggest cop-out ever. Really, as old as it is, it would've been fine to just have Orihime revive him.
Bach finally gets to the Soul King…..uhh if killing him results in the elimination of everything, is Bach really willing to do for.....actually, why did we get this far again? He took down Seireitei, killed Yama.....why does the assassination of the Soul King fit into his plans?
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Names do have power in bleach, that's the whole point of the bankai, the fact that this man is more bankai than man could have worked, if bleach was remotely entretaining.
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Names do have power in bleach, that's the whole point of the bankai, the fact that this man is more bankai than man could have worked, if bleach was remotely entretaining.
That's it really, I was expecting him to announce (or someone to think) of this.
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Imagine an entretaining Bleach, a world where soul society is so fun that there's no need to question why there's a shitty afterlife based on feudal japan, or that there aren't enough human souls to form aizen's army.
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The only reason Elite 4 defeated Squad 0 off screen is because Kubo hasn't decided what their powers exactly are or how to explain them.
Askin and Syringe aside.
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why does the assassination of the Soul King fit into his plans?
Why, you ask? Well, because he doesn't have a plan.
! But Aizen might :ninja:
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Wait, what?
Power-absorb side-effect? by saying his name? Just how many times have Mustachio called Ichibei by his name in previous chapters and nothing significant happened? Even asspulls have standards too, dammit Kubo."Where in this frail body do I find the strength to stand up?"
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Wait, what?
Power-absorb side-effect? by saying his name? Just how many times have Mustachio called Ichibei by his name in previous chapters and nothing significant happened? Even asspulls have standards too, dammit Kubo.You mean besides his throat getting crushed? -_- It'd be really great if you people who never have anything positive to say about Bleach would at the very least make informed criticisms before crying "Asspull Kewbue sux0rz!"
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Never liked people who used terms like "you people".
You corrected Domingo. If you feel like we're overly negative (and we have every right to be), that's fine, but don't make it look like we're all sharing the same thoughts and misconceptions.
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Never liked people who used terms like "you people".
You corrected Domingo. If you feel like we're overly negative (and we have every right to be), that's fine, but don't make it look like we're all sharing the same thoughts and misconceptions.
Could care less. Your problem for interpretting it out of context.
Yes, you have the right to say whatever you want just as I have the right to say whatever I want. No point in arguing over it. If I see people being unfairly critical just for the sake bandwagoning with other haters, I'm going to call it out. If you don't like that then you can always ignore me.
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That was awful.
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I really wanna stop reading this crap, but I can't help myself when there is very low chance of seeing Chad being useful in any chapter
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You mean besides his throat getting crushed? -_- It'd be really great if you people who never have anything positive to say about Bleach would at the very least make informed criticisms before crying "Asspull Kewbue sux0rz!"
Well, sorry. It's easy to overlook that "minor" effect when the voice loss was so easily undone in next pages. I had expected some answer like 'Mustachio was some kind of walking power-sucker himself and his power was stronger' or something.
Thanks for correcting and helping me to count them by the way.
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If YB is Soul King's son then he likely already had planned to make his his successor, so if the case then what's the fuss about the world ending?
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Could care less. Your problem for interpretting it out of context.
Yes, you have the right to say whatever you want just as I have the right to say whatever I want. No point in arguing over it. If I see people being unfairly critical just for the sake bandwagoning with other haters, I'm going to call it out. If you don't like that then you can always ignore me.
Or maybe you could just be a little nicer over something as trivial as a member forgetting a detail out of a clusterfuck these last couple of chapters have been.
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@Razh : It's okay. I went all rage and said too much myself.
That aside, where did Mustachio's Genre Savviness go after he had incinerated Yamamoto's corpse into smithereens just to make sure he wouldn't be revived in any way? Who knows if Ichibei being resurrected could become an important plot point in the future, if Kubo still remembers it, that is.
It'd be bad if Ichigo suddenly got sore throat after-effect for nothing :ninja:
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Until this chapter I honestly forgot Ishida was allied with Danny Trejo and his gang.
Wait wasn't Grimmjow supposed to show up this arc? Unless there are some Sternritters down below that haven't been beaten yet I don't see how he could help at this point.
