My God I actually agree with John Kerry.
The world is ending.
Rock the Casbah: Arab-World Revolutions
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I think Mubarak is watching us. He took down the server after reading this topic.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
this link needs to be on every page
Watching this now.
John Kerry's currently speaking on here.
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Fuck Fuck Fuck! This year started out so fucking insane!
Let's so, Egypt! This movement caught fire!
I have to say this is one of the reasons to be grateful for the existence of the net. Not only might it have given the resistance of the youth more fire, since they got access to information not given to them by their regime, but because we can follow what is happening in a blink.
But this won't go down as easily as everyone hopes. In Tunisia shit went down so fast, it was unreal, mainly because the military literally told the president "We're out if this, you're fucked, pal". In Egypt's case they still stand firmly behind Mubarak and I don't know how far they would go. Atleast the police stands with the people. But I'm scared.
I saw some live footage today, a young man fell down in the mids of the demonstrations, it went down too fast but I think it was a head shot. He stopped moving and his friends were carrying him off the streets. This is a battelfield. It's unbearable.
I pray this will succeed without too much bloodshed! Please Egypt, stay strong!Gaddafi, we're coming for you.
Incorrect my dear.
Reports have been replete with mentions of how the military is being hands off and cheered by the people.
An important fact is that the military ranks are filled with conscripts.
This is going better then I ever dreamed just yesterday.
It's already far far far far beyond Iran.
And yeah Mubarak made concessions without leaving? Good. One more step to him making more concessions then panicking and running away.
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I think Mubarak is watching us. He took down the server after reading this topic.
And now it's personal.
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Also I updated the first post with the various changing currents in all of the countries.
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Seriously why wasn't John Kerry this intelligent when he was running for president.
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I was checking a brazilian news website and they said that a revolt with 200 people happened in Oman. Doesn't seems serious though.
And this too (mediocre translation by me)After more than two hours after the curfew enforcement by Mubarak, military vehicles passed through the center of the city of Cairo, nearby the Opera Park, and the militaries waved to the population receiving applauses.
I think Mubarak is watching us. He took down the server after reading this topic.
He really likes to shut down internet things, doesn't him?
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thanks for letting me join the discussion zephos.
hmmmm…. Egypt, taken to the streets by storm after the friday prayer. Too much violence already happened so a peaceful ending is impossible. I just hope that mass bloodshed and theft doesnt happen and that this revolt stays on target.also FUCKKKKK YOU IMBARRAK, YOU ARE ALREADY GOING TO HELL, SO FIX YOUR MESS
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"We will not be silenced, whether you are Christian, whether you are Muslim, whether you are an atheist. You will demand your god damn rights, and we will have our rights one way or the other. We will never be silenced."
/me off to sleep
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Yeah I saw that Oman thing. It didn't seem big enough or upset enough to warrant changing my gay joke status. Since I really love pointing out how gay Quaboos is because of how big a secret taboo it is there. Also because no joke he dresses fucking sharp.
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@JERK:
Also because no joke he dresses fucking sharp.
Does he dress sharper than Gaddafi.
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Judging from Twitter, it seems like the people in Egypt aren't satisfied with either Obama's or Mubarak's speeches.
From Live phonecalls with people there:
Live Phonecall with senior political analyst in Egypt: Mubarak should have made a different kind of speech. #Jan25 #Jan28 #egypt (two hours ago)
LPC (SPA): we need more than "a government" we need a change in the power structure in egypt. #Jan25 #Jan28 #egypt
Live Phonecall: Many sharing anger in Cairo over speech. We don't want anything less than Mubarak departure. #Jan25 #Jan28 #egypt
Reports from Cairo: People angry, feeling that the army has tricked them. #Jan25 #Jan28 #Egypt
Cairo: Army spreading in streets making gathering for protesters, who are exhausted by now, very difficult #Jan25 #Jan28 #Egypt (one hour ago)
LPC: Man shot dead in Maadi by police forces trying to enforce curfew. Street fight ensues between police and victim's family. #Jan25 #Jan28
LPC: Maadi police station being set on fire a few hours ago. #Jan25 #Jan28 #Egypt
A pretty awesome collection of pictures from over the past few days: http://totallycoolpix.com/2011/01/the-egypt-protests/
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I really do wonder if simply doing a reform on Saturday would save him. He's hanging from a thin thread. I'm worried that he's taking advantage of time to wear on the people's patience/morale.
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once i wake up tomorrow il post a full detailed script over what is happening.
WHAT!!!
GO AWAY!!
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Just heard from @RamyRaoof in #Cairo told me after #Mubarak speech army wouldn't let them into mosque where wounded r #Jan25
A young policeman who moments earlier had been smashing protesters with a baton was forced to fall back, dropping his shield and helmet as he fled. Two protesters of the same age picked them up, ran towards him and handed them back. "We are not your enemy," they told the terrified conscript. "We are like you. Join us."
This makes me so proud.
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@bartholemew:
once i wake up tomorrow il post a full detailed script over what is happening.
You mean in Libya? That would be fascinating.
Gaddafi must be in a tough spot being stuck between two burning authoritarian states, water, and a desert.
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A young policeman who moments earlier had been smashing protesters with a baton was forced to fall back, dropping his shield and helmet as he fled. Two protesters of the same age picked them up, ran towards him and handed them back. "We are not your enemy," they told the terrified conscript. "We are like you. Join us."
Man, among all the needed violence, all of that, they still do things like that. It gives me hope about a lot of things, humanity, improvements in the world, etc.
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"A young policeman who moments earlier had been smashing protesters with a baton was forced to fall back, dropping his shield and helmet as he fled. Two protesters of the same age picked them up, ran towards him and handed them back. "We are not your enemy," they told the terrified conscript. "We are like you. Join us."
Well Done, Egypt.
Well Done.
Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?
Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.
Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.
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According to Al-Jazeera, there is very direct anger towards Mubarak himself from all classes of Egyptians - lower-classes, middle-classes, and the politicians.
The army is very revered and well-respected for the role it has played over time.
A lot of people were talking about whether the army would support the succession of Gamal (Mubarak's son) when Mubarak died. So now the army has to decide which side to be on.
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@Mr.333:
Well Done, Egypt.
Well Done.
That thing you quoted actually struck something in me.
I guess I almost shedded a tear.. cheesy but what fuck. -
Gamal ain't doing shit.
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What's amazing is that there's no one leader of the protests, but every protestor is shouting the same unified chant - down with Mubarak. Apparently, that's what's posing such a big threat to Mubarak. According to ex-diplomat Yasser El-Shimy, Mubarak has never been faced with a single unified opposition before.
Re Gamal – they tore down posters saying "yes Gamal! We support you!"
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Found these on FaceBook:
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Mubarak looks like Rodney Dangerfield's evil twin.
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If there was some way for that one poor kid who first burned himself to death in Tunisia to see what his death meant to people and caused….the fall of that government he hated, and a torrent of dominos across his cultural region.....I wonder what he'd think.
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I go away for a few hours and so much happens
Amazing
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tweets.
I learned today about youth unemployment: #Yemen 49%, #Palestine 38%, #Morocco 35%, #Egypt 33%, #Tunisia 26%. Staggering #WEF
LPC: Doors are being quietly knocked on and people asked to join protests tomorrow. #Jan25 #Jan28 #Egypt
Suez death toll 11 in #Egypt unrest - Al Jazeera #jan25
#tcot
#Egypt newspaper Al-Masry Al-Youm: US-made tear gas canisters bear manufacture dates of 2003, expire after 5 yrs: http://t.co/cyZ3KKy #Jan25 (meaning they're using expired tear gas)
The news say #Atlanta has a protest tmo in solidarity with #Egypt. Cool!!! Egypt & Atlanta both want their national leaders gone!
One man said he graduated from college 4 years ago, hasn't worked a day since. Has been in streets since Tuesday protesting. #Jan28 #Egypt
BBC Arabic Reporter in Tahreer square now says Protesters & Army in complete harmony, chatting, eating & laughing together #Jan25 #Egypt
Spraying water at people while they are praying:
EDIT: Just heard that the death toll is 24, with a thousand wounded. EDIT: One Egyptian told the interviewer that 60% of people are unemployed.
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Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?
Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.
Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.
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BBC Arabic Reporter in Tahreer square now says Protesters & Army in complete harmony, chatting, eating & laughing together #Jan25 #Egypt
Awesome .
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Mubarak is fucked. His hands are tied.
Oh and a hearty thanks to whoever stickied this.
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when I first logged on I didn't see the thread where I expected it to be, and thought it'd been deleted.
This picture has been making the rounds.
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An anti-government protestor kissing a riot policeman.[/hide]
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I also heard that one of the major museums was on fire and was put out. And that protestors were making a huge ring around it to avoid looting.
I mean this is Egypt we're talking about, they have probably the most famous artifacts and so forth in the world. Both a matter of important tourism dollars and national pride.
Imagine all the upheaval and change the pyramids have seen.
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@JERK:
Mubarak is fucked. His hands are tied.
Totally awesome.
Oh and a hearty thanks to whoever stickied this.
I figure its big enough and important enough its going to be at the top of the chart for the next few days anyway, and deserves to be noticed and paid attention to.
Its really really easy to go "I live in X country, how does this affect me?" But damn. This is so incredibly important and… I don't even know how to describe it. World politics aren't my thing usually, but... I can't think of anything in memory thats comparable.
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@Mr.333:
So….
Mubarak is fucked then?
Good.
The faster he's out and the less blood shed, the better.
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Mubarak: I know! I'll sic my loyal army on these dissidents! They'll crumble like a straw shack when faced with trained soldiers who follow my every comma-
@trappedolphin:BBC Arabic Reporter in Tahreer square now says Protesters & Army in complete harmony, chatting, eating & laughing together #Jan25 #Egypt
Mubarak: MOTHER_FUCKER_.
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The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.
On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.
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@RobbyBevard:
Its really really easy to go "I live in X country, how does this affect me?" But damn. This is so incredibly important and… I don't even know how to describe it. World politics aren't my thing usually, but... I can't think of anything in memory thats comparable.
I feel the same way. I usually never pay much attention to what's happening in the world but watching these events unfold is indescribable to me.
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Military in #Egypt is ignoring protesters/seizing critical infrastructure. Protesters cheering as they do it. The government is finished.
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Military in #Egypt is ignoring protesters/seizing critical infrastructure. Protesters cheering as they do it. The government is finished.
Sadly - once the celebrations and groups calm down - then will begin a power struggle.
If there is no leader who will step in?
UN watchgroup for an interim government?
The Opposition party member?
Military?
Neighbouring country deciding that the country is able to be grabbed?I hope that with such pressure there is help to set up Democratic elections ASAP, but what would be the earliest?
1-3 months?Regardless though he needed to be gone - these are problems for another day when the dust settles. If the focus of the world on Egypt at the moment helps then I for one will make sure all I know hear about it - even if they don't care, there more following the news the more they will show that news.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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@RobbyBevard:
Totally awesome.
I figure its big enough and important enough its going to be at the top of the chart for the next few days anyway, and deserves to be noticed and paid attention to.
Its really really easy to go "I live in X country, how does this affect me?" But damn. This is so incredibly important and… I don't even know how to describe it. World politics aren't my thing usually, but... I can't think of anything in memory thats comparable.
The Fall of Communism was the last thing like this.
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Sadly - once the celebrations and groups calm down - then will begin a power struggle.
Not necessarily.
The fact that the military will remain a unit loyal to the people is valuable beyond words. It will provide basic stability and keep anything like a random power grab from working. I don't even think a random general trying something would work.
Not that rebuilding wouldn't be messy, but more on papers and in arguments then with guns.
This hasn't been a revolt of factions. It's been pure movement of the people.
UN watchgroup for an interim government?
The Opposition party member?
Military?
Neighbouring country deciding that the country is able to be grabbed?Neighboring countries? lol
Look at a map.
Sudan ain't gonna do jack. Libya is probably too afraid to even make a sound right now with TWO revolutions BOTH possibly successful right on either side. Jordan would never.
And Saudi Arabia makes a career of having others do shit for them, not do anything.Israel is the only one I'd worry about, since some fanatical bid to make sure Egypt can't become something they fear might enter their minds. But they won't do a damn thing either even if they want to. They already caused heavy international condemnation from attacking that one boat, imagine attacking a country that isn't at war with it.
There are opposition people willing to steep up.
I hope that with such pressure there is help to set up Democratic elections ASAP, but what would be the earliest?
1-3 months?Lord knows. Way too early to say.
Regardless though he needed to be gone - these are problems for another day when the dust settles. If the focus of the world on Egypt at the moment helps then I for one will make sure all I know hear about it - even if they don't care, there more following the news the more they will show that news.
Don't count your chickens, Mubarak hasn't fled yet. Though the forecast is looking good who knows.
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@JERK:
Don't count your chickens, Mubarak hasn't fled yet. Though the forecast is looking good who knows.
But the Riot Police Officers have either been overcome or allied themselves alongside the protesters and the Army appears to be loyal to the people so I don't know what Mubarak has left to keep him in power anymore….
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Nothing's confirmed about the army yet. I've heard of one conscript defying orders and joining the protestors, but I'm not sure about how the Army in general is acting. We know that they might not be happy about Gamal succeeding, but whether they'll disobey orders…
On another note,
"I'm standing here to defend & to protect our national treasure."--Farid Saad, part of the human chain protecting the museum. #egypt #hero
Piers Morgan: We don't even know what the Egyptians are protesting about. Of course you don't Piers, you're a dumbass #Egypt M <– had to laugh at this
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I've only heard reports of Military palling with the people. And no reports of them attacking them.
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Considering the sheer size of the party in Egypt, they're probably betting that just doing nothing will work out well for them. If Mubarak gets the military to crack down and stays in power, then they can point out that they had nothing to do with it. If the people win out, then they gain a lot of power from the elections.
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It's amazing that I'm witnessing what could turn into the 1989 of my generation.
Mubarak needs to honestly GTFO. And I have a feeling that he will.
