Chapter 601: "Romance Dawn for the New World" Discussion

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

Since we know about Monster-point he has 8 forms.

GetsugaZoro

Since we know about Monster-point he has 8 forms.

He meant that…?

Then its not really needed to ask yes he has 8 forms, if he actually asked if Chopper can control monster form it would have been more logic, even if he meant that in the first question he should have clarified that.

Anyway supposedly he said he would get stronger and would be willing to become a monster to protect the crew so yeah he should be controling it by now maybe.

Pacer

nope, my question was exactly what it meant. the reason i asked was cause i think the earlier chapter introducing Chopper, they said it was a 7 form transformation. that included his normal (child) form if uwanna call it. then later on in the fight against crocodile, he transformed into that huge horn version, which makes it 8. so if monster point is there, wouldn't it be 9?

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

-normal form(chopper as the cute little guy we know)
-human form (big chopper)
-reindeer form
-horn power-form (with a huge horns) -Horn point
-arm strenght form (big arms) -Arm point
-jump-form (with strong legs) -Jump point
-plush-form (being a giant hairy ball) -guard point
-Monster-point

makes 8 in my book.

piratemarimo

These are all of Chopper's different forms, excluding Monster.

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Daddy

@Zarnikon:

I think sentoumaru will retreat, because he's the only one left and he isn't that stupid to believe that he can take out the whole crew + rayleigh alone

Don't think so bro, It was clearly stated that reinforcements would be coming from G1, which I might add, is directly presiding over the Archipelagos. I'm expecting Momonga himself to appear, and I'll expect him to be at Admiral level, if not he'll still of course retain his Vice-Admiral position.

Also, Spaghetti and meatballs.

Renegadesoul

I think you need this master's tutelage Pacer-kun.
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Pacer

@Don:

-normal form(chopper as the cute little guy we know)
-human form (big chopper)
-reindeer form
-horn power-form (with a huge horns) -Horn point
-arm strenght form (big arms) -Arm point
-jump-form (with strong legs) -Jump point
-plush-form (being a giant hairy ball) -guard point
-Monster-point

makes 8 in my book.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2256-12/one-piece/chapter-149.html

this makes 9 in my book

Chopper Madness

i think brain point is just an enhanced version of his normal chibi form

Renegadesoul

@Pacer:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2256-12/one-piece/chapter-149.html

this makes 9 in my book

Hmmm…. 8 Directions is different from 8 Transformations. You need glasses yo.

GetsugaZoro

@Pacer:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2256-12/one-piece/chapter-149.html

this makes 9 in my book

His true form, REINDEER, wich is the animal he actually is got older its not a diferent form…

Thats just Walk/Jumping/Brain points... in your picture.

Greg

And by Oda tricking us I basically meant when he put the scar on Zoro's eye on the right side instead of the left.

Tricking us would mean he did it on purpose.

Which he didn't. It was a mistake.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Pacer

(quotes from stephens script)

Chopper: The Rumble Ball is a pill that disrupts the wavelengths of Devil Fruit forms!!
After five years of research, I've managed to discover four more forms!!!

Chessmarimo: Seven forms, then?!!
Bah!! Who CARES about the number?!

+Monster Point

Page 79 -

Chessmarimo: "All-Direction Snow Defeat"!!!
What happened to all your energy from before?!
You can't win if all you do is run!!!
Hahahahahaha!
Die, die, die!!

Chopper: "Brain Point."

The site you quoted has a shitty translation.
And yeah Brain-Point is more or less his human-reindeer form just that he then uses his "scope".
So not a new form.

Pacer

@Chopper:

i think brain point is just an enhanced version of his normal chibi form

yes, but he clearly stated that its a form. what he looks like doesnt' dictate his form. we know for a fact that a normal zoan user does not have a form that enhances the brain. this is indeed known as "brain" point, and he did say at that point he discovered 4 others.

and for getsugazoro, what that link represents in the bottom left panel, for him saying "brain point" connect that with the post i responded to, which listed 8, but without the brain point. add the brain point and that'd make it 9. that means chopper has discovered 6 forms now

Greg

Psst!

Hey guys.

According to Oda, the Strawhats aren't a 'pirate crew'.

But does that mean they aren't pirates?

Zoro hasn't been called 'First Mate' amongst the crew or by Oda yet and thus should not be officially labeled as such until then.

But does that mean it isn't the role he plays?

Renegadesoul

@Pacer:

yes, but he clearly stated that its a form. what he looks like doesnt' dictate his form. we know for a fact that a normal zoan user does not have a form that enhances the brain. this is indeed known as "brain" point, and he did say at that point he discovered 4 others.

and for getsugazoro, what that link represents in the bottom left panel, for him saying "brain point" connect that with the post i responded to, which listed 8, but without the brain point. add the brain point and that'd make it 9. that means chopper has discovered 6 forms now

You just ignored the post before you explaining why you're wrong on the matter and you still insist on arguing it.

That's it. OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!!!!!

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Pacer:

yes, but he clearly stated that its a form. what he looks like doesnt' dictate his form. we know for a fact that a normal zoan user does not have a form that enhances the brain. this is indeed known as "brain" point

That brain-point is sure a side effect of the human-fruit he ate.
Humans are known to be intelligent and so by eating that DF he gained also some intelligence.
So its not a new form..its something he has in every form because he ate this DF and using another technique called "scope" he even increases this effect.

@Greg
Go to here
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=16224&page=13

Strategos

@Don:

-normal form(chopper as the cute little guy we know)
-human form (big chopper)
-reindeer form
-horn power-form (with a huge horns) -Horn point
-arm strenght form (big arms) -Arm point
-jump-form (with strong legs) -Jump point
-plush-form (being a giant hairy ball) -guard point
-Monster-point

makes 8 in my book.

You guys forget about BRAIN POINT!
he has from the ball
1)horn point
2)arm point
3Jump Point
4)guard Point
5)Brain Point
With 3 balls
6)Monster

Normal Chopper
7)Deer
8)Human
9)Small type(Mix)

piratemarimo

R: Hello, Oda-sensei. I have a question. When Chopper eats the Rumble Ball, he can use seven different forms. Yet, he has more than seven. Why is that?
O: That's incorrect. Look, there ARE seven. No more.

There are seven up there. His normal "beast mode" is Walk Point. His "half human mode" is Brain Point. And his "human mode" is Heavy Point. So you see, the Rumble Ball is a pill that basically adds four new forms for him to use. Does it make more sense now?

Pacer

@piratemarimo:

R: Hello, Oda-sensei. I have a question. When Chopper eats the Rumble Ball, he can use seven different forms. Yet, he has more than seven. Why is that?
O: That's incorrect. Look, there ARE seven. No more.

[qimg]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091218122728/onepiece/images/8/80/SBS_Vol_22_1.png[/qimg]

There are seven up there. His normal "beast mode" is Walk Point. His "half human mode" is Brain Point. And his "human mode" is Heavy Point. So you see, the Rumble Ball is a pill that basically adds four new forms for him to use. Does it make more sense now?

then why does he only ever use scope when he uses rumble? Also, why do they introduce horn point after. if we all consider monster point a form, why wud Oda say 8 then? he obviously has become a monster befor,e so he knows about it. why say 7 when he knows its 8?

Also, why can't he use brain point in any other form then? its just the human brain rite? so he just becomes a brain dead animal in any other form cept his child form?

edit: forgot to put this in. i didn't ignore the post above, it was posted while i was typing, hence i didn't see it. duh. Also, its called discovery people. he can discover more points. nowhere does it say it limits to the 4 additional forms.

Greg

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Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Pacer:

then why does he only ever use scope when he uses rumble? Also, why do they introduce horn point after. if we all consider monster point a form, why wud Oda say 8 then? he obviously has become a monster befor,e so he knows about it. why say 7 when he knows its 8?

Also, why can't he use brain point in any other form then? its just the human brain rite? so he just becomes a brain dead animal in any other form cept his child form?

Why does Oda not already tell us what OP is..i mean here sure knows about it already.

Also like i said he uses brain-point all the time because he`s a reindeer but is able to talk and even able to be a rly good doctor!
His DF gave him the power to be intelligent(because humans are intelligent most of the time,thought).

Renegadesoul

Hey, your just gonna waste your time explaining things that won't register in this guy's brain.

Let's move on to another topic, like Franky's improvement on Thousand Sunny.

isrnick

@Pacer:

yes, but he clearly stated that its a form. what he looks like doesnt' dictate his form. we know for a fact that a normal zoan user does not have a form that enhances the brain. this is indeed known as "brain" point, and he did say at that point he discovered 4 others.

and for getsugazoro, what that link represents in the bottom left panel, for him saying "brain point" connect that with the post i responded to, which listed 8, but without the brain point. add the brain point and that'd make it 9. that means chopper has discovered 6 forms now

What are you talking about? What he listed as "normal form" or "chopper as the cute little guy we know" is actually the brain point…

BTW Chopper's normal form isn't his brain point form (= chibi form), it's the reindeer form, afterall he is a reindeer.

Greg

For the love of Christ how has such an easy to understand concept been thrown around like this?

As far as I can tell nobody has it right yet.

When in doubt, www.thegrandline.com/onepiece.html

You guys have completely ignored the official titles Walk Point and Heavy Point by the way.

Chopper HAS 8 forms with RB. The 8th being the Monster/Berserker Point WHICH HAS YET TO OFFICIALLY RECEIVE A NAME BUT WE MAY ASSUME IT IS WHAT CROC CALLED 'AWAKENED'.

But THREE of those 'forms' The Brain, Walk and Heavy Points are merely enchancements of his normal base forms, they are not different transformations.

ie. Chopper cannot normally use Scope but as anyone with a working pair of eyes can tell you, Brain Point is physically no different than his Beast-Man Form.

The End.

Pacer

@Greg:

For the love of Christ how has such an easy to understand concept been thrown around like this?

As far as I can tell nobody has it right yet.

When in doubt, www.thegrandline.com/onepiece.html

You guys have completely ignored the official titles Walk Point and Heavy Point by the way.

Chopper HAS 8 forms with RB. The 8th being the Monster/Berserker Point WHICH HAS YET TO OFFICIALLY RECEIVE A NAME BUT WE MAY ASSUME IT IS WHAT CROC CALLED 'AWAKENED'.

The Brain, Walk and Heavy Points are merely enchancements of his normal base forms, they are not different forms.

The End.

Aite, this is me being stubborn so dont bother arguing with me, but i'm gonna go ahead and say TheGrandLine.com is wrong. my reasoning is if brain point is his beastman form, and he gets smarter, then he must be a retarded lil manchild in all the other forms.

Greg

Aite, this is me being stubborn so dont bother arguing with me, but i'm gonna go ahead and say TheGrandLine.com is wrong.

That's my site.

And it's only based on what Oda has said, not my opinion.

So you're saying Oda is wrong about his own series.

Way to go champ.

Robby

@Pacer:

Aite, this is me being stubborn so dont bother arguing with me, but i'm gonna go ahead and say TheGrandLine.com is wrong. my reasoning is if brain point is his beastman form, and he gets smarter, then he must be a retarded lil manchild in all the other forms.

He did just spend 4 chapters thinking the Fake Strawhats were the real thing.

Renegadesoul

Got to get good seats for this kind of dramas.

Presses play button

Greg

then he must be a retarded lil manchild in all the other forms.

'Woah! You've got a cape! That's so cool! Are you a hero? I wish Usopp was here to see this!'

Retarded?

No. He's a friggin' doctor.

Naive?

-_-

Robo Gorilla

@Pacer:

my reasoning is if brain point is his beastman form, and he gets smarter, then he must be a retarded lil manchild in all the other forms.

What? I don't follow what you're saying. Which form are you calling his beastman form? His chibi one? He's not really that dumb in that form, he's actually pretty book smart.

Greg

Also something important to keep in mind folks, is that Chopper's base forms are ALL the reverse of any human.

ie. a human's Beast-Man form would be Chopper's Man-Beast form. A human's Beast form is Chopper's Human form. And a human's Human form would be Chopper's Beast form. Little detail but important for serious internet-based Japanese shonen comic book discussions.

I don't think Oda thought that deeply when he was making up the mythology but that's how it turned out.

Greg

and the dust settled on the battlefield, the victors won the spoils and peace returned to the land….for now

45Dunc

You know what was good? The chapter.

Especially how it didn't have another spread of Luffy just knocking everyone out.

Greg

And while I liked that…A LOT...

That last page was pretty lame.

I know Oda's point was to focus on his smile and attitude but the original scene was so iconic, this felt like he dropped he ball.

I'm not going to remember another closeup of Luffy smiling.

45Dunc

Was Zoro smiling with his good eye open or closed? We'll never know…

Greg

@45°Dunc:

Was Zoro smiling with his good eye open or closed? We'll never know…

APEX OF AWESOME REACHED THREAD CLOSED

RomanceDawn

@Greg:

And while I liked that…A LOT...

That last page was pretty lame.

I know Oda's point was to focus on his smile and attitude but the original scene was so iconic, this felt like he dropped he ball.

Which original scene? I'm drawing extreme blanks, but what scene are you referring to?

Greg

"i'm Gonna Be The Pirate King!"

RomanceDawn

Hahaha, of course! There was a certain charm to the way Luffy built it up for me. At least in our translation is "I'm gonna do it… I'm gonna be..." really stood out for me personally.

Time to teach though, will discuss that when I'm done.

Rotten The Wizard

stupid argument after stupid argument

Louis cypher

@Renegadesoul:

Hey, your just gonna waste your time explaining things that won't register in this guy's brain.

Let's move on to another topic, like Franky's improvement on Thousand Sunny.

Sunny needs to shoot lazers! Then Luffy will be like this x2.

Mr. Sandman

@RomanceDawn:

Hahaha, of course! There was a certain charm to the way Luffy built it up for me. At least in our translation is "I'm gonna do it… I'm gonna be..." really stood out for me personally.

Time to teach though, will discuss that when I'm done.

I myself would have found it hilarious if he said "marine admiral!!". Rayleigh would have still cried but they wouldn't be tears of joy.

DyranLK

@Mr.:

I myself would have found it hilarious if he said "marine admiral!!". Rayleigh would have still cried but they wouldn't be tears of joy.

Rofl, you've got that scene stuck in my head now. :P

mpz777

Read this one on Thursday, but I've been busy. Pretty great flow as usual. The Pacifista take-downs were awesome. Not much more to say that hasn't already been said.

isrnick

Cnet's translation of the chapter 601 is out:

http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/25580

DevilBatDive

@Mr.:

I myself would have found it hilarious if he said "marine admiral!!". Rayleigh would have still cried but they wouldn't be tears of joy.

Garp would have fist pumped and did a little dance tho.

Hannyabal

Nice chapter :)
Rayleigh Cries!
16 Characters for the Dark King! XD

Sea

@Mr.:

I myself would have found it hilarious if he said "marine admiral!!". Rayleigh would have still cried but they wouldn't be tears of joy.

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parklane21

*still lol-ing on the above post