Chapter 599, "9 Pirates" Discussion

[GJardim]

@masterMD112:

Only two chapters, people are losing the plot already because of superficial shit like hair length, scars, eyebrow, arms, shaved head etc. WTF, come on!

And the cucumber. Don't forget about the cucumber.
But yeah, I didn't really complained with all the new designs because I liked them. I remember on the spoiler thread people complaning about how Franky would know when to drink cola, and if he would still keep drinking cola.
Then Franky's drinking a big bottle of cola and he's after all a human, not a complete robot, so he knows when to drink cola if he's exhausted or thirsty. And too Zoro's eye would make him lose his strenght on battle… Leave it to Oda, he knows what he's doing.

[Haoshoku-kid]

Unless the bullet is fired by an amazing sniper, Luffy has shown to be tough enough to not die from a bullet. A seastone one would be worse since it would rob him of his power while it's still stuck in his head.

Bullets are bullets in a normal body. If he was hit by a seastone bullet, it would be like hitting a normal person with it because it neglected the power of is gomu gomu no mi. CoA does the same thing except that they are 2 different powers. He might survive, yes, but if it hits a critical point in his head, be it seastone tipped or haki-imbued, luffy's dead.

[piratemarimo]

I can't wait till Chopper and Franky actually show their stuff in a fight. Maybe Franky will have real heat-seeking missiles now. :D

Zoro's outfit is awesome. I can't wait to see how he'll interact with Sanji. There's something new for the both of them to insult each other about now. Hancock with that fake nose cracks me up.

Also, can someone link me to Oda's comment about his mistake and the thing about using reader's ideas for the chapter covers?

[DaeJi]

@Haoshoku-kid:

Bullets are bullets in a normal body. If he was hit by a seastone bullet, it would be like hitting a normal person with it because it neglected the power of is gomu gomu no mi. CoA does the same thing except that they are 2 different powers. He might survive, yes, but if it hits a critical point in his head, be it seastone tipped or haki-imbued, luffy's dead.

Characters in One Piece aren't normal. In "regular" people in One Piece take punishment that would kill several people in real life with the kind of reaction you may have for a paper cut. Sure, a shot to the head could kill Luffy, buti I don't think it would.

But I'm not arguing this further since it's a difference of opinion.

[DaeJi]

@piratemarimo:

Also, can someone link me to Oda's comment about his mistake and the thing about using reader's ideas for the chapter covers?

It's a blurb from the issue of Jump. If you go the spoiler thread it's in the first post. He just says that he drew the scar on the wrong eye in the color spread that from Chapter 599 onward he'll draw it on the left eye.

[eerie]

Kinda disappointing chapter - the reintroductions of the SHs have been much less epic than I was hoping for.

But mmmm, can't wait for that 2 page spread that's coming once they're all back together, most likely when they're about to set sail.

"Ikouze!"

[blkriku_]

@Pacer:

and i forgot to mention that humans, not JUST reindeers hated him~

oh. and those people who hate chopper for being so stupid, u forgot usopp acted the exact same way, just that nami was there to pull him out before he actually followed the fake luffy crew. AND luffy is usually clueless too…

Wait what? you need to re-read last weeks chapter, usopp did no such thing. in fact his entrance was firing his attack at them. what makes you think he was about to follow them? His reaction was a "why are you dressed like luffy" in my opinion

[Haoshoku-kid]

@piratemarimo:

I can't wait till Chopper and Franky actually show their stuff in a fight. Maybe Franky will have real heat-seeking missiles now. :D

Zoro's outfit is awesome. I can't wait to see how he'll interact with Sanji. There's something new for the both of them to insult each other about now. Hancock with that fake nose cracks me up.

Also, can someone link me to Oda's comment about his mistake and the thing about using reader's ideas for the chapter covers?

R: I just realized this, but even though you always listen to all sorts of wishes from your readers, you never publicity ask for a new character design, or ask us to think up a new Devil Fruit that will appear in the series? If I could make one… Hmm... A "Diarrhea Fruit" (gerigeri no mi) or a "Stomach Growl Fruit" (buriburi no mi)? A Stomach Growl Fruit eater whose stomach works perfectly, wouldn't that be cool? (Pen Name: Scorpius girl)
O: Not cool at all! That's just a normal healthy person!! …right, I don't ask for suggestions. And I won't. I don't need them. This might sound a bit cold, but I don't want other people's ideas... The editors and people at Jump sometimes change, but every time there is a new one, the first thing I tell them is to not give me suggestions. I want to have the confidence to say that I thought up all the people and the entire story by myself! If I rely on people once, I might keep doing it, and if it's a failure, I'll blame it on them. But if I succeed, it's because of my own ability, and if I fail, it's my own fault. I like that. Although I might want ideas on things that has nothing to do with the main story... Like the covers with Strawhats and animals. I'd love to get ideas for those. If you write "I'd like to see this animal and this person do something" on a scrap of paper for me, I'd love to draw that!

Oda stated that he made a mistake on the colorspread of 598, the design is to have Zoro’s LEFT eye scarred.
Again, 598 = wrong, 599 and future = correct

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Franky: It’s you, Robin! The SUPERRRR Archologist of our gang!
Robin: …………. you haven’t changed, Franky (smiles)
Chopper: I’m dissapointed with you guys!! I’m gonna save her even if I have to do it alone! Wait for me, Robin!

[GetsugaZoro]

Yes guys Usopp though Sogeking was him and he someone else clearly…

[city_lights31]

SWEET CHAPTER! I am finally warming up to Franky's new look - especially because now I can see it in motion. Zoro at the end was just…incredible. I am just happy how fast this chapter came - no more 5 week breaks sir Oda please!

[Hinscher]

@ponx:

I'd hate it if it goes down to the fakes VS real ones. I mean its not like they're even worth fighting (Luffy has obviously showed that). They'll just run screaming they're not the real SH when they see 2 Kumas are after them.

I don't expect us to fight anyone.

Chopper's naiveness managed to make the WG thing the fakes were INDEED REAL.

So now we have all the WG people going to grove 46 to take out the strawhats and all these allies they have. The real strawhats are unknown to them right now. Chopper trying to find Robin will use his NOSE, like he did in enies lobby. Now using his nose instead of being fooled by his eyes he will accidently find the REAL Robin. Thus all 9 of the strawhats will be at the thousand sunny and head off peacefully to Fishman Island, while the fake strawhats get taken by the WG.

The WG eitehr thinks they have SH or else they realize by now they were fake and are like "damn i guess they are dead" But then our outrageous actions at fishman island are known when we leave there and we are world famous again.

Encountering the WG now causes toooooo many complications. First we have to not only beat them here on shabondy, but they KNOW that we are then heading and will be at fishman island. So we will have to deal with them there and when we leave there. The WG will send forces and strong guys to fishman island, and they will have guys waiting on other side of Red Line for us. THus it turns into just running from WG mainly and we miss out on a good fishman island arc

[mickgreen58]

Loved the chapter, especially Zoro cutting the pirate ship in half with his sword.

It's fitting that cutting a ship in half with his sword is the first thing Zoro would do after being trained by Mihawk, since this is what Mihawk did when he first met Zoro.

Until otherwise confirmed, I still believe Zoro has use of his left eye. I think there may be some other reason that he keeps it closed.

We finally get to see who Luffy gets to display his powerup against and that person is Sentomaru.

What remains to be seen is if Sentomaru will be treated like a "boss" or will Luffy be able to display his new skills without having to outright defeat him.

[rubia_ryu]

On page 11, the lighting effects in the mid-right panel make Franky look even more awesome.

I can't wait until the anime hits this part. It's Brook-sama's final performance!

[Pacer]

@Hinscher:

I don't expect us to fight anyone.

Chopper's naiveness managed to make the WG thing the fakes were INDEED REAL.

So now we have all the WG people going to grove 46 to take out the strawhats and all these allies they have. The real strawhats are unknown to them right now. Chopper trying to find Robin will use his NOSE, like he did in enies lobby. Now using his nose instead of being fooled by his eyes he will accidently find the REAL Robin. Thus all 9 of the strawhats will be at the thousand sunny and head off peacefully to Fishman Island, while the fake strawhats get taken by the WG.

The WG eitehr thinks they have SH or else they realize by now they were fake and are like "damn i guess they are dead" But then our outrageous actions at fishman island are known when we leave there and we are world famous again.

Encountering the WG now causes toooooo many complications. First we have to not only beat them here on shabondy, but they KNOW that we are then heading and will be at fishman island. So we will have to deal with them there and when we leave there. The WG will send forces and strong guys to fishman island, and they will have guys waiting on other side of Red Line for us. THus it turns into just running from WG mainly and we miss out on a good fishman island arc

i am loving ur prediction here.no sarcasm too!

[Jacoobus]

I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that Sentomaru is wearing what looks like a marine cloak. Anyone else think they may have been grooming him to take over the next Admiral job? I've said it before but none of the VC's cut it imo, Magellan and Sentomaru are the only options that make any sense to me.

[mickgreen58]

@Hinscher:

I don't expect us to fight anyone.

Chopper's naiveness managed to make the WG thing the fakes were INDEED REAL.

So now we have all the WG people going to grove 46 to take out the strawhats and all these allies they have. The real strawhats are unknown to them right now. Chopper trying to find Robin will use his NOSE, like he did in enies lobby. Now using his nose instead of being fooled by his eyes he will accidently find the REAL Robin. Thus all 9 of the strawhats will be at the thousand sunny and head off peacefully to Fishman Island, while the fake strawhats get taken by the WG.

The WG eitehr thinks they have SH or else they realize by now they were fake and are like "damn i guess they are dead" But then our outrageous actions at fishman island are known when we leave there and we are world famous again.

Encountering the WG now causes toooooo many complications. First we have to not only beat them here on shabondy, but they KNOW that we are then heading and will be at fishman island. So we will have to deal with them there and when we leave there. The WG will send forces and strong guys to fishman island, and they will have guys waiting on other side of Red Line for us. THus it turns into just running from WG mainly and we miss out on a good fishman island arc

I disagree.

I believe a Luffy/Sentoumaru showdown on SA is imminent.

[Bulletproof]

@Hinscher:

I don't expect us to fight anyone.

Chopper's naiveness managed to make the WG thing the fakes were INDEED REAL.

So now we have all the WG people going to grove 46 to take out the strawhats and all these allies they have. The real strawhats are unknown to them right now. Chopper trying to find Robin will use his NOSE, like he did in enies lobby. Now using his nose instead of being fooled by his eyes he will accidently find the REAL Robin. Thus all 9 of the strawhats will be at the thousand sunny and head off peacefully to Fishman Island, while the fake strawhats get taken by the WG.

The WG eitehr thinks they have SH or else they realize by now they were fake and are like "damn i guess they are dead" But then our outrageous actions at fishman island are known when we leave there and we are world famous again.

Encountering the WG now causes toooooo many complications. First we have to not only beat them here on shabondy, but they KNOW that we are then heading and will be at fishman island. So we will have to deal with them there and when we leave there. The WG will send forces and strong guys to fishman island, and they will have guys waiting on other side of Red Line for us. THus it turns into just running from WG mainly and we miss out on a good fishman island arc

It makes so much sense. o_o I really do think this is going to happen. Congratz for thinking this further. @.@

[masterMD112]

@Jacoobus:

I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that Sentomaru is wearing what looks like a marine cloak. Anyone else think they may have been grooming him to take over the next Admiral job? I've said it before but none of the VC's cut it imo, Magellan and Sentomaru are the only options that make any sense to me.

Most marines at HQ wear one of those cloaks with the word "justice" on the back.

[piratemarimo]

Thanks Haoshoku-kid. :)

lol, I ought to catch up reading more SBS.

Someone ought to request a Jinginai and Obahan Time cover from Oda.

[WarshipArc]

Does anybody else want to see Sanji's reaction when he learns that Luffy was sent to Amazon Lily?

[DaeJi]

@WarshipArc:

Does anybody else want to see Sanji's reaction when he learns that Luffy was sent to Amazon Lily?

No one wants to see a broken man. :sad:

[Renegadesoul]

Lol Zoro.

I got on… THE WRONG SHIP! XD

Sanji's reaction on page 17 top panel is funny. XD

I wonder why Luffy didn't notice fake sogeking's mask. XD

[Haoshoku-kid]

Thanks Haoshoku-kid. :)

lol, I ought to catch up reading more SBS.

Someone ought to request a Jinginai and Obahan Time cover from Oda.

No problem marimo kaizoku :))

Does anybody else want to see Sanji's reaction when he learns that Luffy was sent to Amazon Lily?

Sanji: WTF LUFFY?! AND I WAS IN THE LAND OF OKAMAS?! F.U! hahaahahahhahahaahahaha

[Cyan D. Funk]

@WarshipArc:

Does anybody else want to see Sanji's reaction when he learns that Luffy was sent to Amazon Lily?

Luffy: "They stretched every part of me!"

Sanji: "…E...Every...part...?"

Luffy: "Yep, everything, even my balls-"

Sanji: "KUUUUUUUUMAAAAAAAAAAA!"

Sanji then proceeds to glare at Luffy enviously until the end of Fishman Island.

[Drake]

@Thousand:

Galleons are way bigger and harder than a train. Plus it ties in with that whole Mihawk slicing galleons way back at Baratie making it much more impressive that Zoro has reached that level.

not to mention, slicing anything underwater is pretty difficult.

[Emolisher]

Wow oda got Zoro idea from him?

[rubia_ryu]

@Cyan:

Luffy: "They stretched every part of me!"

Sanji: "…E...Every...part...?"

Luffy: "Yep, everything, even my balls-"

Sanji: "KUUUUUUUUMAAAAAAAAAAA!"

Sanji then proceeds to glare at Luffy enviously until the end of Fishman Island.

You forgot Sanji exploding into flames out of anger and beating the crap out of Luffy.

[Supa64]

@Drake:

not to mention, slicing anything underwater is pretty difficult.

I remember in skypeia he couldn't attack that fish under the sea clouds so he had to punch it. So that's a improvement.

[Hinscher]

the thing is, there seems no way we fight the fake strawhats. Hell it was obvious last chapter. I mean Nami and Usopp took them out basically without even trying.

Now Luffy takes them out with just his haki.

Now many of you are mentioning this TWIN BROTHERS and their 200 million bounties. But recall sentamaru in this chapter and how he mentions how the strawhats are no longer ROOKIES like tehy were, and they will be very hard to deal with. These 2 rookies won't be a match for Luffy/Zoro/Sanji. They may be good fights for some of the other strawhats, but there is no point.

And as for Luffy's possible 400 million bounty. Remember bounties are an indication fo threat. Luffy's bounty went from 100 to 300. His 300 at that tiem was based on not his actions at that point, but based on his actions and their preciction of his future actions. They predicted he would do outrageous and bad stuff against them based on enies lobby. So the jump to 400 or only 100 million increase wasn't only a 100 million increase for punching tenryuubito, beating moria, invading impel down, marineford, ect. Many of those actions while not specifically predicted where already calculated into his 300 million bounty. And besides all his outrageous actions, they know his strength well from his actions. Is his strength worth raising to say 600 million? no it wasn't. he was having a hard time at marineford and impel down. he needed ALOT of help.

Does luffy need to fight sentamaru and us have pacifista rematches? sure i'm sure we will someday. But as i said earlier, a confrontation regardless of vitory or fleeing causes too many complication right now. We have been waiting forever for fishman island. Do you guys really want to have to worry about marines chasing us there, rushing to capture us there, or waiting for us to leave there. I want a fishamn island arc, I don't want a WG arc just @ fishman island.

We still have vegapunk arc sometime. At that time we will have our sentamaru and pacifista rematch that we all want. don't rush it.

[KunangKuadrat]

Nice chapter.
Now I can totally hear Zoro saying "Don't blame me. Blame yourself or God"

[Sea]

Someone complained about Luffy dodging bullet.
He even said before he disliked the feeling of being hit by bullet. It's so annoying to have something like that stretch your face.
Why not dodge if you can do that with less effort than it takes to wink?

[rubia_ryu]

Page 16: Aw, you can't see Usopp in Zoro's wanted poster anymore. Oda-sensei, why not!?

[Devil Fruit Tree]

@WarshipArc:

Does anybody else want to see Sanji's reaction when he learns that Luffy was sent to Amazon Lily?

If Sanji had been sent to Amazon Lily he'd be dead right now.

Or turned to stone if lucky.

[guess who]

okay bear with me, i have a rough theory going here.

Okay so everyone knows about the TD's and their sales, and its been guessed that its meant to mean tone dials. I think that Scratchmen Apoo and the "On Air" pirates made their way to a sky island when they ran up that invisible hill. Of course Scratchmen would be interested in the tone dials, so he brought some back. Somehow or another it gets to brookes managers, who also happen to be long arms. Kinda rough, lots of conjecture, but i think it could work. Maybe during the downtime Brooke and Apoo even hung out. Right now only Oda knows, but i cant wait to find out what he has up his sleeves!

[Ingunn]

Mmm… another thing with Luffy dodging the bullet that he did say early in the start of OP that he doesn't like being shot even though he doesn't get hurt by it, just gets surprised, might as well be one of the reason why not just dodge it, just wanted to point it out :ninja:

I doubt Zoro is gonna talk like Mihawk, he has always talked big when it came to enemies, only that sentence made some think of Mihawk right away, even though he looked like he was just getting annoyed by his usual nature of getting lost. I'm not gonna say he picked up his way of talking, after just one sentence.
I feel like this is the first time when Zoro actually says he went wrong? Mmm.. maybe I'm blind :P

This actually reminded me of how Coby went on a wrong fishing boat and boarded Alvida's pirate ship :D!

edit: Agh someone was first

[5_Of_Spades]

Hancock has some mad packing skillz. What is Luffy going to do with all those handkerchiefs????

Also is Sanji folding back the "WANTED" and bounty portions of the wanted posters so that the fisherman uncle won't see those bits? It doesn't really work that way does it? Old uncle gotta be blind to not see, which brought on a moment of 'lol' for me.

[guess who]

@rubia_ryu:

Page 16: Aw, you can't see Usopp in Zoro's wanted poster anymore. Oda-sensei, why not!?

unless im horribly mistaken, ussop was in luffy's poster, not zoros.

[Hinscher]

@rubia_ryu:

Page 16: Aw, you can't see Usopp in Zoro's wanted poster anymore. Oda-sensei, why not!?

wasn't usopp in LUFFY's Bounty poster NOT zoro's

[Urouge]

And here I thought it was enough that Luffy was trying to stay undercover and didn't want to blow it by having a bullet bounce off his face in front of a crowd.

@Hinscher:

wasn't usopp in LUFFY's Bounty poster NOT zoro's

He was in both. In Zoro's he was doing his Croc impersonation.

[Pookiez]

@rubia_ryu:

Page 16: Aw, you can't see Usopp in Zoro's wanted poster anymore. Oda-sensei, why not!?

… he's in Luffy's poster

Edit: I got beaten to it :P

Edit again: had to google it but Urogue is right his shadow is there oO bottom left

[Manny]

@rubia_ryu:

Page 16: Aw, you can't see Usopp in Zoro's wanted poster anymore. Oda-sensei, why not!?

You can still see him a little. Anyways it's only his shadow you're supposed to see. Plus, the picture is not that close.

[Hinscher]

what i dont' recall ever seeing usopp and even looking at google images i still dont' see it

show me this usopp in zoro's bounty picture

[Kei808]

@GJardim:

To be more precise.
[qimg]http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8441/pandaman599.jpg[/qimg]

How the sssssssshhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiittttttttttttt did you guys find thatttttttt.

[Urouge]

@Hinscher:

what i dont' recall ever seeing usopp and even looking at google images i still dont' see it

show me this usopp in zoro's bounty picture

[FrankyCentaur]

It's basically just his nose, but I'm pretty sure Oda even confirmed that this was true, somewhere… somewhere...

[rubia_ryu]

@Mono631:

You can still see him a little. Anyways it's only his shadow you're supposed to see. Plus, the picture is not that close.

With all the smoke there, it was a bit tricky to see him. There's a bit more shading in the lower left – is that him?

[Pookiez]

@FrankyCentaur:

It's basically just his nose, but I'm pretty sure Oda even confirmed that this was true, somewhere… somewhere...

don't forget the hook

[Hinscher]

looking at the chapter again even though i would have been pissed cause it would have meant waiting longer to see zoro

it would have actually been kind of funny if he didn't destroy this ship and was just chilling at fishman island waiting for us. would have reminded me of last time we at shabondy and he thinks were parked at isle 1. stupidly zoro ends up where we are heading.

[rubia_ryu]

Another little detail: Before, if Zoro was bored, he'd be training. Now, when he's bored, he goes fishing? What a change.

The robes and hoodie really remind me of Alabasta, while his behavior reminds me of Mihawk. <- no duh

The ship was even sliced the same way.

[DyranLK]

@Green:

I'm still curious how the interaction between Luffy and Zoro will go down. Ever since Thriller Bark it was obvious that something will happen, in one form or another.

On second thought, I'm curious what'll the entire crew's reaction to Luffy be, and vice versa.

Hahaha, saaame here!! I'm also anticipating just how Zoro will react to Luffy, along with the rest of the crew, and would like to see how they treat him as Captain now that they've each changed in some ways, and haven't seen each other for two effing years. :P

(Seriously, though, anyone else wonder what Zoro's first words to Luffy would be or something? :o It could be something like, "Long time no see, Captain." or even "IDIOT..!!"; it really depends on the circumstances at the moment, actually, but I dunno…O_o I mean, he's trained under the leadership of Mihawk for a long time, , and now he'll be returning to the official SH crew since they were last separated in the Archipelago two years ago…)