Thanks Oda, you brought 'One Piece' back on track…..not complaining but i love when the crew is on main pages
Chapter 591: "You Sure That's Alright?" Discussion
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the thing i like the most about usopp's island is that he'll have to fight so much so many times before getting out of there, if he's rescued then that sucks. but maybe he is rescued after he reaches the outside of the island only to realize he has no idea how to get to SA
I completely agree. Im thinking that he saves chopper and the bird from being eaten by the island, looking all jacked and shit. Hopefully more like how assop looked in that spread during the war.
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Since in Mangastream/Binktopia translation the exact lines were "Why Again!!?".
Aohige_AP comments on the translation [[URL="http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?p=1716519#post1716519"]here], but that aside, Chopper says, "Luffy!? Why again!?", so it wouldn't be about Robin or something like that.
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Thanks for the quick reply brennen. I got to say Aohige_AP is the best. I hope he does a full translation script for this chapter this week. I would be nice to compare translations to see any iffy material that can be translated differently like, 'What is Law refering to?'
And I will take my crap Robin got captured theory and throw it into the trash.
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Great chapter.
-Rayleigh is a fucking beast. Love him.
i know swam all the way into the calm belt and beating up a seaking in the process. for an old man, Rayleigh is one hell of a guy.
-Nice to finally hear what Kuma said to Rayleigh during the infamous scene.
i was surprise by what kuma said meself.
! kuma working for the revolutionaries, did not see that one coming.
-I'm 99% sure Chopper's reaction was to Luffy's new bounty, which is at least 800,000,000 beris methinks.
from how chopper said why again, it maybe the case.
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…Nope.
Obviously they didn't/don't, see Sengoku's suprised response due to Jimbei not cooperating with the war, see the fodder marine's reaction to when Hancock first started "accidently" attacking them, see Smoker's reaction to when she kicked him, see Sentomaru's reaction... you get the point. If they expected Shichibukai to betray them with real certainty then there would be no point or use for them. And even so that would hardly make any of it excusable and if anything hunting down anyone who betrays the marines would send the strong message of keeping your nose clean and not messing around with them, it's not the same as having to admit to a total debacle like ID and the escape of a bunch of prisoners that were supposed to be erased from the annals of history.
In Doflamingo's first appearance, he made two WG agents fight each other right at Mariejoa in front of Sengoku and got away with a slight scolding. The WG expect the shichibukai to act the way they do and are okay with it, so long as they are still worth a a lot to the government. It's not betrayal so much as incomplete loyalty that everyone is aware of. And even if Hancock went a bit over the usual pushing of buttons, the marines still won the war, so they're probably willing to overlook relatively minor insubordination.
i was surprise by what kuma said meself.
! kuma working for the revolutionaries, did not see that one coming.
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In Doflamingo's first appearance, he made two WG agents fight each other right at Mariejoa in front of Sengoku and got away with a slight scolding. The WG expect the shichibukai to act the way they do and are okay with it, so long as they are still worth a a lot to the government. It's not betrayal so much as incomplete loyalty that everyone is aware of. And even if Hancock went a bit over the usual pushing of buttons, the marines still won the war, so they're probably willing to overlook relatively minor insubordination.
You can't really believe this when Smoker's very own words contradict this in that Hancock scene, he even goes so far as to say "Do you know what they'll do to you after they find out that you've gotten in our way" and Donflamingo's little antics were mostly done for hype and even in the context never came off as a serious betrayal.
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just noticed something
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is he making fun of them (considering also that hancock is off panel) or does rayleigh have a thing for chubbies?0_oSandersonia just has an abnormally elongated head, but otherwise, she's quite the fair maiden.
Marigold is clearly overweight, but she doesn't have a single wrinkle on her skin. It's smoothness contributes to her beauty.
Notice that he didn't say they were sexy. He said they were beautiful.
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You can't really believe this when Smoker's very own words contradict this in that Hancock scene, he even goes so far as to say "Do you know what they'll do to you after they find out that you've gotten in our way" and Donflamingo's little antics were mostly done for hype and even in the context never came off as a serious betrayal.
Smoker's more idealistic than the higher ups.
Besides, if they really thought Hancock was too much of a problem, then she probably would have gone the way of Moria.
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It's obvious why Chopper said "luffy…why again!? The WG has lowered Luffy's bounty back to 100m.
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You can't really believe this when Smoker's very own words contradict this in that Hancock scene, he even goes so far as to say "Do you know what they'll do to you after they find out that you've gotten in our way" and Donflamingo's little antics were mostly done for hype and even in the context never came off as a serious betrayal.
Listen, there's no need for battles and conflict right now. If you can't recognize that we're still in the war/Ace death/SA saga aftermath leading to the reuniting party, idk what to say. There's fittingly going to be a lot of aftermath from a war and major death. Luffy realized he's weak and will train. That's aftermath from Ace's death, SA, and the war. And since these events started on SA, the aftermath includes the reuniting. Then when this saga's plot threads finally come together and end, we'll get a party. Then farewells to Fanservice Island and on to new adventures.
And if you whine about Hancock's actions demanding repercussions, why? Doflamingo as mentioned got away with a lot his first reveal. The Shichibukai are considered pirates still. The government expects them to not be perfect followers. That she attacked both sides in the war can be written off by the top brass exactly because she attacked BOTH sides. Even on the off chance they do want to punish her, it would go the route of Moria, not an open attack.
And if you want to whine "we need battles and conflict and tension as readers" look at this very chapter. Where were the battles, conflict, and tension? Did you not like it? Don't you want to see the next chapter? You want to know why you still liked it and want to see more? Not because there was conflict or high tension, but because Oda knows how to write and entertaining story and end on a cliffhanger that makes you want more. That's the simple truth of it.
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In Doflamingo's first appearance, he made two WG agents fight each other right at Mariejoa in front of Sengoku and got away with a slight scolding. The WG expect the shichibukai to act the way they do and are okay with it, so long as they are still worth a a lot to the government. It's not betrayal so much as incomplete loyalty that everyone is aware of. And even if Hancock went a bit over the usual pushing of buttons, the marines still won the war, so they're probably willing to overlook relatively minor insubordination.
You mean the same World Government that sent a hit out on Moria after the end of the war just because "he was useless" and they wanted to off him in a dignified way where he lost in battle rather then government assasination? Marines and Shichibukai are pawns for the World Government. Sengoku puts up with the Shichibukai because they are considered integral to the WG and he can only file complaints. The WG is now starting to see some of them as useless (not the marines, they may have already thought they were too much of a hassle). All bets are off on their future especially after the debacles that certain other shichibukai did during the war before defecting (blackbeard and Jinbei). This completely ignores anything else about Hancock and what she did to help Luffy in Impel Down and during the war. She didn't help, she showed up because she was forced to, Moria did more in the war to help then she did and he still got the axe.
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Smoker's more idealistic than the higher ups.
Besides, if they really thought Hancock was too much of a problem, then she probably would have gone the way of Moria.
It hardly boils down to idealism when she ran around directly impeding them and destroying their Pacifistas. And what you're saying is assuming that they aren't planning on trying to make her go the way of Moria, unlike Moria Hancock didn't stick around and her misdeeds probably weren't known by any safe for Smoker, Sentomaru, etc. Anyway, I'm really surprised that people actually think that those 3 scenes mean nothing beyond the instant that they happened.
Anymore I'll get to in the morning or something.
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Man, I can't wait to see what happens next! I still wonder how the other crew members get back though
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LOL @ still pushing this Smoker and Sentomaru will go tell/AL will be attacked idea.
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Listen, there's no need for battles and conflict right now. If you can't recognize that we're still in the war/Ace death/SA saga aftermath leading to the reuniting party, idk what to say. There's fittingly going to be a lot of aftermath from a war and major death. Luffy realized he's weak and will train. That's aftermath from Ace's death, SA, and the war. And since these events started on SA, the aftermath includes the reuniting. Then when this saga's plot threads finally come together and end, we'll get a party. Then farewells to Fanservice Island and on to new adventures.
And if you whine about Hancock's actions demanding repercussions, why? Doflamingo as mentioned got away with a lot his first reveal. The Shichibukai are considered pirates still. The government expects them to not be perfect followers. That she attacked both sides in the war can be written off by the top brass exactly because she attacked BOTH sides. Even on the off chance they do want to punish her, it would go the route of Moria, not an open attack.
And if you want to whine "we need battles and conflict and tension as readers" look at this very chapter. Where were the battles, conflict, and tension? Did you not like it? Don't you want to see the next chapter? You want to know why you still liked it and want to see more? Not because there was conflict or high tension, but because Oda knows how to write and entertaining story and end on a cliffhanger that makes you want more. That's the simple truth of it.What is this crap? When did I ever say now? I specificly said not now and stated eventually, then you go off on this tension tangent and bring up the point of Doflamingo that even Wagomu didn't pursue further (because it was pretty weak) . This only boils down to having the basic ability to recognize when an author is putting big ass neon lights around things, 3 different scenes 2 of which involving prominent marines and one in which Smoker spells out the repercussions and doesn't even say "if" they find out, he says "when".
@Zik
Lol @ never refuting any of it any of the times I brought it up. -
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Wait wait wait… people really didn't see Kuma working for the revolutionaries coming after the chapter where he appeared in silhouette on Dragon's ship? Really?
It hardly took any stretch of the imagination to realize that what he told Rayleigh was related to that fact.Anyway, great chapter, Rayleigh something something awesome, etc., whatever. Especially liked the return of Usopp's grapple hook belt (only the 2nd use ever?)
AL being attacked at this point would just seem like poor storytelling to me. We just had a ridiculous degree of rising action and climaxing (awwww yeah), so now it's time to regroup and get to exploring some more. Not saying there won't be any obstacles before the SHs meet up again, but it won't be an Admiral/Tenryuubito/Buster Call. Besides, even if Law's estimate of 2 weeks is on the high end, any serious fighting now would result in more irreparable damage for Luffy.
Still too early to make any calls on what Chopper read. I don't get the impression that any time has passed between this chapter's Luffy section and Usopp/Chopper section, so it's either something we already know (just dramatic irony for Chopper- the ID attack seems likely "why again?… another government facility ransacked by Luffy?!") or a bounty (good arguments against that though), or the WG is just making up something outrageous about Luffy ("Notorious Strawhat Caught Groping First Mate, more on page 18"). It just doesn't seem like Rayleigh's plan would lead Luffy straight into another newsworthy scoop.
Also, everyone keeps mentioning Chopper's "sorting out the details line." He says that in anticipation of reading the paper, as in, they had not yet sorted out all the details. Like until that point, there was still more to come.
Can anyone make out any details of the paper this time around though?
The top left panel of the final page kind of looks like Ace, but I'm not seeing anything in the final panel.Finally...let's see... Usopp got 5 pages, Chopper, 3. If each of the remaining six SHs only got 3 we could be done with their updates in one more chapter. Or we could get a few more chapters that simultaneously show what Luffy and a few SHs are up to (I like that format actually, I've been marathoning 24 lately).
EDIT: whoa. First Usopp page. Sound effect: "funk funk"
Is that some really good photoshopping on the part of the scan/translators, or did Oda decide for some reason to use "funk" to describe the sound of a fat man running? Maybe there's no natural 擬音語 for that, because there are no fat people in Japan except sumo, but sumo never run. -
Finally my week is complete.
First Rayleigh… to think Hachi was saved him from drowning back then. This guy is just awesome... legend... no epic. I fail to think of words perfect to describe him.
Jinbei was also cute. Well I think he's cute in this chapter especially when he was interacting with Hancock. It's like telling a dog "no food for you" and then he goes into puppy-dog eyes... well not exactly like that...but... whatever.
I was not really surprised but I wasn't expecting those sisters knew Rey. I really liked Shakky in this scene.
Finally. I'm happy to know that the man-eating island was in the manga. I can't wait to see the other SHs.
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You mean the same World Government that sent a hit out on Moria after the end of the war just because "he was useless" and they wanted to off him in a dignified way where he lost in battle rather then government assasination? Marines and Shichibukai are pawns for the World Government. Sengoku puts up with the Shichibukai because they are considered integral to the WG and he can only file complaints. The WG is now starting to see some of them as useless (not the marines, they may have already thought they were too much of a hassle). All bets are off on their future especially after the debacles that certain other shichibukai did during the war before defecting (blackbeard and Jinbei). This completely ignores anything else about Hancock and what she did to help Luffy in Impel Down and during the war. She didn't help, she showed up because she was forced to, Moria did more in the war to help then she did and he still got the axe.
As I just said, if they really thought Hancock was a problem, then wouldn't they have just offed her like Moria? And besides, with all the recent betrayals and losses, don't you think that's more of a reason for them to keep as many remaining Shichibukai as possible?
It hardly boils down to idealism when she ran around directly impeding them and destroying their Pacifistas. And what you're saying is assuming that they aren't planning on trying to make her go the way of Moria, unlike Moria Hancock didn't stick around and her misdeeds probably weren't known by any safe for Smoker, Sentomaru, etc. Anyway, I'm really surprised that people actually think that those 3 scenes mean nothing beyond the instant that they happened.
Anymore I'll get to in the morning or something.
I'm referring to Smoker just believing that the higher ups would do the right thing. They've proven to the reader, though, on a number of occasions, that they don't always do the right thing and really just work to protect their power.
And with the elimination thing, the Pacifistas could have easily turned on her in the end, like they did on Moria. There are a number of ways she could have been isolated and taken out with the WG's power and influence over their soldiers scattered all over the battlefield.
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good chapter.
Interesting that Law knows about "D". W.e. it/he/she might be.
I'm curious about what Chopper saw in the newspaper. I think he was too surprised for it to just be Luffy having his bounty raised. We'll see I guess.
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@Zik
Lol @ never refuting any of it any of the times I brought it up.I definitely did. You have a poor memory.
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What is this crap? When did I ever say now? I specificly said not now and stated eventually, then you go off on this tension tangent and bring up the point of Doflamingo that even Wagomu didn't pursue further (because it was pretty weak) . This only boils down to having the basic ability to recognize when an author is putting big ass neon lights around things, 3 different scenes 2 of which involving prominent marines and one in which Smoker spells out the repercussions and doesn't even say "if" they find out, he says "when".
Show me where it says "AL will be attacked". Listen, it's the resolution for the war saga right this very second. That means the rising action and climax are in the past. When will AL be attacked if not before Luffy leaves it and heads to Fishman Island? Yet the resolution of this saga dictates the SHs will reunite, Luffy will get stronger, then there will be a party and farewells. Where in this does the attack fit? It cannot fit after because Luffy would have left AL and there's no reason to drag him back over some contrived "I've read too far into certain scenes and think I can compete with people like loled and Zephos who've college educations in Creative Writing" reason like Hancock being targeted by a large scale WG attack. Like Wagomu and i both said, and you've yet to refute, IF the WG wants Hancock gone, it will be done like they did with Moria, i.e. one hitman taking her out behind the scenes.
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god damn oda is the best this chapter owns
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i'm sure the "why again" from chopper is because luffy punch a nobleonce again (for his training)
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Really great chapter.
Rayleigh is a monster and lives up tho his nickname "Dark King". He's swimming through the Calm Belt after a storm sank his ship like it was nothing and then he "complains" that he's getting old
Classy.Interesting that the so-called-filler were indeed canon, so the island Usopp is on is in fact a carnivourus plant. I do like it and I am happy that this turned out canon. And I hope Usopp stays fat forever. He'll be the SH-Pirates' Lucky Rou ;) I also get the impression that he'd become more courageous. I think he will make the most progress of all Strawhats.
Chopper's part was alright. Nothing special though. I've always thought that he clear up things between the birds and humans and that he'll fly to the others. But I am curious what he read in the newspaper at the end of the chapter (new bounty? who knows).
Also interesting that Ray and Shakky have connections to AL. I wonder what the connection exactly is. I personally think that Shakky was a amazon from AL since she resembles some amazones.
Can't wait for the next chapter.
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Gotta love Jinbei
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Smoker's very own words contradict this in that Hancock scene, he even goes so far as to say "Do you know what they'll do to you after they find out that you've gotten in our way".
Tsk, tsk, shame on you. Smoker says nothing like that; all he says is this: "Hancock!! Do you, too, mean to abandon the Shichibukai!?" Likewise, all Sentoumaru says is, "What are you trying to pull!!!? You're a Shichibukai, aren't you!!? You've been stopping Pacifista left and right!!! You're meant to be on the Government's side!!" and responds to Hancock's 'hurricane' comment with, "What the heck's that supposed to mean!?"
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Crazy theory!
Chopper is surprised and asks "Luffy! Why Again [did you interact with Crocodile]?! Idk shrugs :P
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Really a great chapter^^
Rayleigh is da shit… that old guy is epic
Jinbei scene with the food was funnyAnd it seems the anime filler are more or less canon... that would mean........ I hope seeing Sanji next week with some Iva interaction
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I really like this chapter. Its been quite some time since OP is this light and cheerful, and I'm glad its back on its track again. And also I think this is the first time we see Jimbei and Hancock in casual situation like this, it certainly give light to how they will interact with the rest of the crew (if one of them joins, that is)
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Gloriosa (elder Nyon) was living on SA with Ray and Shakky. When Nyon found the Boa sisters she took them to SA.
I think she raised them there until they were ready to go back to AL. I think it's fair to say that they were trained by the best (Gloriosa and Rayleigh), that's why they rule AL.
And haha, it seems that Jimbei may be a big eater afterall, making him "Gluttony" of the 7 deadly
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Originally Posted by HaxeyeMihawk
Smoker's very own words contradict this in that Hancock scene, he even goes so far as to say "Do you know what they'll do to you after they find out that you've gotten in our way".Tsk, tsk, shame on you. Smoker says nothing like that; all he says is this: "Hancock!! Do you, too, mean to abandon the Shichibukai!?" Likewise, all Sentoumaru says is, "What are you trying to pull!!!? You're a Shichibukai, aren't you!!? You've been stopping Pacifista left and right!!! You're meant to be on the Government's side!!" and responds to Hancock's 'hurricane' comment with, "What the heck's that supposed to mean!?"
Some times when you argue something and believe in it so much you alter the evidence in your favor.
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And haha, it seems that Jimbei may be a big eater afterall, making him "Gluttony" of the 7 deadly
sinsseas. Or so I hope, with that line about "To live is to eat!".Why does everything that comes in 7s have to spawn inane "7 deadly sins" theories?
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Well but I didn't get that scnene
Rayleigh: "I left my vivre cards to Shakky. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to move freely!"
Did he leave it to Shakky, that she will always know where he is or that the SHs still know the way back to SA
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Luffy has 2 weeks with Haki training => Akainu and Kizaru will be utterly defeated soon :devil:
BTW, Reyleigh looks just like Jesus :ninja: -
Thank you lord aka ODA that Rayleigh or anyone for that matter, actually pointed out that, "oh hey you're weak as shit, if you don't do something about it you'll get the same results when facing stronger opponents!"
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Why does everything that comes in 7s have to spawn inane "7 deadly sins" theories?
I dunno. It's just that for the 7 warlords, it fits. Although for Blackbeard, it's possible he incorporates all evil in his darkness.
Plus, not all things in 7 become 7 sins. It could be 7 holy virtues.
The thing about the seas is that they can be pretty dangerous, especially when ships still were made of wood and used sails. And even now, there are waters that even the most durable icebreaker cannot pass.
I think some sins can be grouped together, or otherwise there should be more sins added to the list, such as excessive playfulness, and negativity.
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Well but I didn't get that scnene
Rayleigh: "I left my vivre cards to Shakky. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to move freely!"
Did he leave it to Shakky, that she will always know where he is or that the SHs still know the way back to SA
Well it's almost impossible to get to through the calm belt without the snake ship or sea stone coated ships. Also it would seem like a better idea to have the SHs come back to the island they were tossed from.
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Well it's almost impossible to get to through the calm belt without the snake ship or sea stone coated ships. Also it would seem like a better idea to have the SHs come back to the island they were tossed from.
That's true as well… but still a strange dialogue of Rayleigh saying he couldn't move freely
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Well but I didn't get that scnene
Rayleigh: "I left my vivre cards to Shakky. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to move freely!"
Did he leave it to Shakky, that she will always know where he is or that the SHs still know the way back to SA
Vivre cards are still made of paper, so if they get wet, they wouldn't be very card-like.
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That's true as well… but still a strange dialogue of Rayleigh saying he couldn't move freely
Really nothing strange about it. If people are depending on the location of Rayleigh + his vivre card, then he can't move freely, because that could fuck up their meeting spot ("oh, I've been traveling for days towards SA, but all of a sudden the card is telling me to move in another direction!"). The point is that he isn't tied to the original card. He can leave it with Shakky, allowing himself (his body) to move freely (away from SA).
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Why does everything that comes in 7s have to spawn inane "7 deadly sins" theories?
Not everything, but ever since the theory is mentioned (years ago I think), the concept matches perfectly with each of the shichibukai (excluding doFlamingo and Mihawk, at least until we get more info about their powers or character)
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Really nothing strange about it. If people are depending on the location of Rayleigh + his vivre card, then he can't move freely, because that could fuck up their meeting spot ("oh, I've been traveling for days towards SA, but all of a sudden the card is telling me to move in another direction!"). The point is that he isn't tied to the original card. He can leave it with Shakky, allowing himself (his body) to move freely (away from SA).
Yeah that's a good explanation.
BTW
Jimbei had his first really funny moment xDFat guy is always hungry
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Well but I didn't get that scnene
Rayleigh: "I left my vivre cards to Shakky. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to move freely!"
Did he leave it to Shakky, that she will always know where he is or that the SHs still know the way back to SA
i think he said left the card so that no one could find him, just like when he left it to Shakky the first time we met him. i don't think SH is the only one that hold pieces of Rayleigh vivre card, so he doesn't want any one to know that he goes to AL.
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I had a theory that Kuma was their ally the whole time. Looks like I was right. :3
Amazing chapter overall.
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It has to be some crazy plot twist…Either he broke into Impel Down again or punched another Tenryuubito...or something that we can't think of right away...
Funny those were the same two things that first popped into my mind.
I highly doubt that Chopper would be THAT shocked over something as trivial as Luffy's bounty increase, especially since we know he already read about the Marineford war. Knowing about his involvement, a bounty increase would at the very least be expected.
I say it's not the bounty, but some other new outrage Luffy has been up to that is part of Rayleigh's overall plan.
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Funny those were the same two things that first popped into my mind.
I highly doubt that Chopper would be THAT shocked over something as trivial as Luffy's bounty increase, especially since we know he already read about the Marineford war. Knowing about his involvement, a bounty increase would at the very least be expected.
I say it's not the bounty, but some other new outrage Luffy has been up to that is part of Rayleigh's overall plan.
Fully agree. Chopper wouldn't say "Why ? How can this be ?" if it was about the bounty, a new bounty wouldn't raise those question as he already knows what Luffy did. And the last sentence: "Now what !?" implies that something new happened… Maybe Garp is dead ?
