Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)

Nycprodigy

Chopperman needs to team up with sogeking for chopper's next bounty picture

Shift

The clues for Jinbe's joining have often been on the subtler side. He was name dropped in an arc when all known fishmen were considered big bads. He was truly introduced at a time, Impel Down, when Luffy just getting his old crew back was in peril, much less finding a new member on the way. He was a Warlord and a captain himself for quite a while, so his ship position before that was not really examined and plenty of fans wouldn't have given him quarter because of his reputation. There was no getting past the flashback, but it was covered up by how it covered more than just Jinbe. If it had just been casually mentioned that he was a qualified helmsman or any other official position the Straw Hats don't have, the cover would likely have been blown right then. But if he is revealed to be a helmsman, no one can complain because, yeah, he actually did steer that ship that one time.

rubia_ryu

@i:

I definitely see your point, but I meant more of a knowledgeable source of the coming sea kinda guide, not really a tour guide which is sorta what like you described. Besides I think anybody that knows Luffy knows that he's going to explore what he wants to explore whether you want to try and hold his hand or not. I agree too that helmsman is a lousy idea for Jinbei, that's why I'm hoping it's something a bit more fitting for him.

I know how my post seems to describe a tour guide, but I mean any kind of guide. Because Jinbe may be more experienced in the New World, as I'll assume for now, he would appear to be an excellent candidate, but there's a certain thrill of heading into the unknown without anyone on board expecting something strange. But, I

@ other discussion:
If Jinbe were to accompany them, at most, he'd stay for the hassle of passing through the "war zone" that will be Marine HQ v.2. After that, leaving him in the crew as lifeguard would really be redundant. Hell, if Sanji can fly, he can chase after any DF user ~~Robin~~ who somehow falls overboard, without letting her get wet. If they do fall in, others are around to fetch them. ~~And if Zoro's done his work, he'll be able to swim in any environment~~

Now, the chances of Jinbe staying with them for Marine HQ v.2 are higher, but can still be ruled out depending on how the current situation is handled. It'd probably be best if there weren't an admiral waiting for them, but it's possible. For those fans who want to see more of Jinbe's move set, that would be a suitable time.

Edit: Leaving him in the crew as "the fishman" in a crew of outcasts may be more convincing, though. We'll see.

Shift

@rubia_ryu:

I know how my post seems to describe a tour guide, but I mean any kind of guide. Because Jinbe may be more experienced in the New World, as I'll assume for now, he would appear to be an excellent candidate, but there's a certain thrill of heading into the unknown without anyone on board expecting something strange.

You do realize if the highly-infamous Nico Robin hadn't joined, the crew would never have figured out about Sky Island, right?

rubia_ryu

@Shift:

You do realize if the highly-infamous Nico Robin hadn't joined, the crew would never have figured out about Sky Island, right?

So, what would that matter to Jinbe joining? Robin's already in the crew.

Shift

@rubia_ryu:

So, what would that matter to Jinbe joining? Robin's already in the crew.

If Jinbe joins and he has some equally important intel, that doesn't ruin the excitement of the "unknown", does it? It didn't with Robin. That's my point.

Md-Martin

Also who says Jinbe will know ANYTHING about the islands the crew will visit! There is more than one route to follow. It's pretty likely that Jinbe may have never visited the islands the Strawhats will visit if Whitebeard never did.

Kishido

@Md-Martin:

Also who says Jinbe will know ANYTHING about the islands the crew will visit! There is more than one route to follow. It's pretty likely that Jinbe may have never visited the islands the Strawhats will visit if Whitebeard never did.

That is a dumb argument as well… Robin shows knowledge about everything as well and no one said something... but even she doesn't know everything.

And I doubt Jinbei took all 5 routes from entering of the New World to visit all places left and right

Just_Gabe

@Louis:

Has anyone thought that maybe Jimbe might be the first crew member to join who doesn't have a 'dream'? He could always join just because he wants to be on the crew. I know it's a great motif so it probably won't happen, but still.

Blasphemy! Preposterous! Son of Belcebub! Marxist!!!

Personally I can't imagine such situation.
Luffy: "whatzup! wanna join?"
NN: "…why not?"
*joins with no flashback and no reason or motivation to join the crew.

Louis cypher

@Just_Gabe:

Blasphemy! Preposterous! Son of Belcebub! Marxist!!!

Personally I can't imagine such situation.
Luffy: "whatzup! wanna join?"
NN: "…why not?"
*joins with no flashback and no reason or motivation to join the crew.

Hahahaha!

jxy007

I don't know if someone else already mentioned this hypothesis. But I believe that Bonney will likely join the Straw Hat. Here are the reasons:
1. She is first one out of all the eleven supernovas to be apprehended at this early point in her journey in the new world.
2. She actually helped Zoro back in the Saobaody Archipelago Arc by stopping him from confronting the Celestial Dragons.
3. During the Whitebeard War, she was crying as she saw the broadcast live and said that all of this was to be blamed on someone, whom she knew.

She hasn't appeared a whole lot, but given these rare but invaluable scenes, I venture a guess that her role will definitely not stop here. Yes, Akainu caught her, but he certainly did not kill her. Their conversation further hints that Bonney has quite a background, likely associated with some corrupted dad or grandfather, whom she probably believed had caused the Whitebeard War. How? I'd imagine by forcing Sengoku to kill Ace, an action that surely would provoke Shirohige.
In addition, if you look at those other supernovas, yes, you notice that Bonney is the only woman, and certainly seems at this point the only one beside Luffy and perhaps T.Law to possess a level of conscience. So she definitely passes that requirement for joining Luffy's crew (can't be a bad guy).
The other coincidence that favours her eventual entry is timing. Straw hat just started the second half of grand line after two years of timeskip. I'd imagine all those other pirates (except Law, who explicitly stated that they would wait) would somehow one way or another have moved on, plus they have no real connection to straw hat anyways. But Bonney never went too far in the New World because Akainu caught her after Blackbeard beat her crew down. Now this is the biggest obstacle to this theory, if she were caught, how could she escape? There is no way Straw hat would fight the marine headquarters any time soon. or Impel down, which after two years should have recovered from the break-in. But here is why this scenario works out perfectly. If she has connections in the marines, big background, there is no way she is imprisoned. She could be detained at home by her dad or grandad, guarded 24/7 (which is sort of like imprisonment), but obviously fundamentally different. She just couldn't get out.
How could she get out to join the straw hat? well, we need a major disturbance on whatever island she is housed in the New World. Who will bring that kind of disturbance? Straw Hat. Obviously, this would anger that authority figure backstage, but it's very different from a direct attack on the headquarters or Impel Down.
Now I've already discussed why I think she is likely to join. Let's look at why she is a especially suitable compared to Jinbei? Jinbei is an established character. The only reason he has to join is to protect Luffy. While that is a strong reason personally, it hardly gives any interesting story. We see all of the straw hat crew have an intriguing story. Jinbei so far does not strike me as a dramatic character. He has no ambition like other members of the crew. So it's unlikely for him to join. Bonney on the other hand, after everything I've said, definitely has a story behind her (the very fact she got some age-changing fruit is worth discussing). The fact that she is seeking one piece herself shows her ambition which she shares with Luffy, which would make them perfect partners. As a girl, she is also not someone with a huge ego like those other supernovas. We know her crew is completely busted, definitely disassembled. One can hardly think that her dream of one piece just died. If Oda does not plan to kill off Bonney's character completely which I doubt he will do after all of this foreshadowing, I see her as a very likely candidate for straw hat's next nakama.

Cymelion

Wasn't that posted a few pages back? or at least something similar?

Aaronrules380

@Just_Gabe:

Blasphemy! Preposterous! Son of Belcebub! Marxist!!!

Personally I can't imagine such situation.
Luffy: "whatzup! wanna join?"
NN: "…why not?"
*joins with no flashback and no reason or motivation to join the crew.

All I have to say to that is this

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Nycprodigy

All of them want to protect luffy which was ther point of why they trained so hard for 2 years and jimbei wants to protect luffy I don't see what's wrong with that

samuraix87

jinbe looks like a sumo to me

Shift

@jxy007:

I don't know if someone else already mentioned this hypothesis. But I believe that Bonney will likely join the Straw Hat. Here are the reasons:
1. She is first one out of all the eleven supernovas to be apprehended at this early point in her journey in the new world.
2. She actually helped Zoro back in the Saobaody Archipelago Arc by stopping him from confronting the Celestial Dragons.
3. During the Whitebeard War, she was crying as she saw the broadcast live and said that all of this was to be blamed on someone, whom she knew.

Those three things show she'll likely be important to the STORY, not necessarily to the CREW.

And FYI, is Jinbe's an established character, she is even more so (Sabaody came before Impel Down, if you recall).

Czechmate

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Cymelion

@Nycprodigy:

All of them want to protect luffy which was ther point of why they trained so hard for 2 years and jimbei wants to protect luffy I don't see what's wrong with that

Valid point - but now Luffy can oblitorate at least 50,000 people with his massive COC alone so I wonder how much protection he really needs.

Kaizokudan

Pretty sure this was mentioned but what if maybe Jimbei will join because he wants to understand human culture and such. Similar to what Koala said that humans are afraid of Fishmen and vice versa because they know nothing of eachother. I think it kind of matches what we've seen so far in his flashbacks and such.

Just_Gabe

@Aaronrules380:

All I have to say to that is this

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Eh…em...IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED SO IT CAN'T HAPPEN AGAIN!!! :ninja:

@jxy007:

I don't know if someone else already mentioned this hypothesis. But I believe that Bonney will likely join the Straw Hat. Here are the reasons:
1. She is first one out of all the eleven supernovas to be apprehended at this early point in her journey in the new world.
2. She actually helped Zoro back in the Saobaody Archipelago Arc by stopping him from confronting the Celestial Dragons.
3. During the Whitebeard War, she was crying as she saw the broadcast live and said that all of this was to be blamed on someone, whom she knew.

Oh please…not this again...

This point might have some relevance since it could setup a meeting with the SH's at Mariejois.
Irrelevant, she did so to save her ass from the admirals.
She cried because of WB's death because she deeply admired him and went out to seek BB for vengance. Again, nothing of relevance here regarding the NN.

Have a nice day.

GetsugaZoro

@jxy007:

BOOBS

No .

jxy007

@Shift:

Those three things show she'll likely be important to the STORY, not necessarily to the CREW.

And FYI, is Jinbe's an established character, she is even more so (Sabaody came before Impel Down, if you recall).

You are misinterpreting my meaning of the word "established". I didn't mean when Jinbe or Bonney was first introduced. Here I meant that Jinbe's character and storyline is already established as to leave not much room for development. We don't care about what story was behind Jinbe's childhood or what made him a Shikibukai as he was. On the other hand, Bonney's character is still very much open. Like you said, she will be important to the story. But how important? I was just taking a guess at the possibility that she could become important by being the newest member of the crew. At this point, it's still quite early to tell whether she will, but it's as good a guess as anyone else out there.

Cymelion

@jxy007:

At this point, it's still quite early to tell whether she will, but it's as good a guess as anyone else out there.

Then speculate away when she gets back into the story, there is little reason for her to join - especially if she is only a plot device which is likely - her power has very little benifit to the crew. Her strength is doubtful since she had the lowest Bounty out of the Supernova's (IIRC).

Shift

@jxy007:

You are misinterpreting my meaning of the word "established". I didn't mean when Jinbe or Bonney was first introduced. Here I meant that Jinbe's character and storyline is already established as to leave not much room for development. We don't care about what story was behind Jinbe's childhood or what made him a Shikibukai as he was. On the other hand, Bonney's character is still very much open. Like you said, she will be important to the story. But how important? I was just taking a guess at the possibility that she could become important by being the newest member of the crew. At this point, it's still quite early to tell whether she will, but it's as good a guess as anyone else out there.

Uh, there was plenty of new info established about him in this very arc, as has been the case for every member in their respective intro, and no one has yet suffered from lack of development. And how about Brook, eh? We never saw him as a kid, or exactly what he did regarding his "royal guard" job before joining the Rumbar Pirates.

And the trade off for Bonney's development being so open is that she can just as easily never set foot anywhere near Sunny. As Cymelion said, make all the theories you want AFTER she actually appears again from the 2-year break. Even us Jinbe supporters had to hold back until then.

Aaronrules380

@Cymelion:

Then speculate away when she gets back into the story, there is little reason for her to join - especially if she is only a plot device which is likely - her power has very little benifit to the crew. Her strength is doubtful since she had the lowest Bounty out of the Supernova's (IIRC).

Nope, pretty sure she's still higher than Urogue

Urouge

@jxy007:

You are misinterpreting my meaning of the word "established". I didn't mean when Jinbe or Bonney was first introduced. Here I meant that Jinbe's character and storyline is already established as to leave not much room for development. We don't care about what story was behind Jinbe's childhood or what made him a Shikibukai as he was. On the other hand, Bonney's character is still very much open. Like you said, she will be important to the story. But how important? I was just taking a guess at the possibility that she could become important by being the newest member of the crew.

Consider this. Oda has had the crew planned out well in advance. Oda decided to add the supernovas to the Sabaody arc on a moment's notice.

At this point, it's still quite early to tell whether she will, but it's as good a guess as anyone else out there.

As good a guess as Jinbe? :wassat:

@Aaronrules380:

Nope, pretty sure she's still higher than Urouge-san

That's just quantity over quality. :ninja:

Cymelion

@Urouge:

Consider this. Oda has had the crew planned out well in advance. Oda decided to add the supernovas to the Sabaody arc on a moment's notice.

Hang on - I thought they were already planned to be included in the new world - or do you mean he made the set up for them to appear early on a moments notice?

That's just quantity over quality. :ninja:

Maybe he was just having performance issues prior to Sabondy
/fleethewrath

Blowfish

For all of the Jinbe doubters just ask yourself this question why haven't we seen the Fishman Karate Dojo yet? Hachi said something along the lines of it being the pride of Fishman Island. Yet no mention has been made of it since their arrival to FI. I find that strange but one thing I do know is Jinbe being the master of this style as he is would imply that It's introduction and history would heavily involve him in one way or another.

The fact that the Fishman District in general is a very vague and unexplored place as far as we the readers are concerned, and maybe Oda will answer some intriguing questions about that place like why was Noah left there? or who Were the previous owners of the Orphanage and just what were they really like?

I think alot of things are left unexplained about this arc and alot of them could be used to develop Jinbe's character even further. Even that magical scar.

RomanceDawn

@Cymelion:

Hang on - I thought they were already planned to be included in the new world - or do you mean he made the set up for them to appear early on a moments notice?

Maybe he was just having performance issues prior to Sabondy
/fleethewrath

The Super Novas were made right on the spot since Oda's editor wanted a little more excitement in Shaboady. It was we as fans who speculated maybe these were vague characters he planned on using in the New World later on, only to be thrust in the lime line sooner than expected.

@ Blowfish - It really does seem like the Karate Dojo has been forgotten by Oda. But with so much time left in the arc I still think we are going to see a really cool connection between the dojo and Jinbe as far has his joining is concerned.

Caxxo

@Cymelion:

Valid point - but now Luffy can oblitorate at least 50,000 people with his massive COC alone so I wonder how much protection he really needs.

It's not like he's the only person that can obliterate 50,000 people.

Crocodyne

@RomanceDawn:

@ Blowfish - It really does seem like the Karate Dojo has been forgotten by Oda. But with so much time left in the arc I still think we are going to see a really cool connection between the dojo and Jinbe as far has his joining is concerned.

If the Dojo had been randomly mentioned on chapter 300 something, I would've agreed with your statement. But it was appointed on the same panel alongside the mermaid cafè and the mermaid princess, here:

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Chapter 593, page 14.

Coincidence? Maybe, but i don't buy it.

ponx

Really? Anyone still thinks that Oda will leave such a thing as Fishman Karate Dojo unattended to? Just very recently Oda tied Franky's realization of Vegapunk's dream to Wapol's Wapometal. Wapometal is something irrelevant to the plot and was created some years ago. And he managed to tie it to the current plot. So just have confidence that the Dojo will be revealed, as well as all the loose plot points tied up nicely. My only doubt is whether the Poneglyph and Joy Boy will be revealed in this arc or the future ones

kiksulol

If Jimbei joins the crew, i will quit reading / watching One Piece. Jimbei aint Straw hat material if you ask me. Till next arc guys, next arc

summer9

I think no one is joining this arc, maybe if they go to karate dojo they might find one interesting

Crocodyne

@kiksulol:

If Jimbei joins the crew, i will quit reading / watching One Piece. Jimbei aint Straw hat material if you ask me. Till next arc guys, next arc

Well, goodbye then.

Cyborg_Franky

@kiksulol:

If Jimbei joins the crew, i will quit reading / watching One Piece. Jimbei aint Straw hat material if you ask me. Till next arc guys, next arc

true fan eh? Just because u don't like a sh doesn't mean u should stop reading…. Or I would have stopped at ussop lol

LightningAce

@RomanceDawn:

The Super Novas were made right on the spot since Oda's editor wanted a little more excitement in Shaboady. It was we as fans who speculated maybe these were vague characters he planned on using in the New World later on, only to be thrust in the lime line sooner than expected.

@ Blowfish - It really does seem like the Karate Dojo has been forgotten by Oda. But with so much time left in the arc I still think we are going to see a really cool connection between the dojo and Jinbe as far has his joining is concerned.

If there is 1 thing you shoulda learnt by now with Oda is, he doesn't forget anything. Remember that little piece of paper Ace gave Luffy waaaay back in Alabasta or that First-Mate we saw in Buggy's flashback that turned up 450 chapters later turning out to be Roger's first mate…..

Md-Martin

Anyone who is on the "I'm gonna wait until we get to the karate dojo for a new crewmate" boat, might as well go with the no one joining option. First off, Oda said we will see the dojo. This could mean something as quick as Jinbe walking by it and saying "That is where I studied". It's WAY to late in this arc for someone else to come out of the dojo, play a role in the Climax, and get all of the development and personality to join the crew.

At this point it is Jinbe or no one for this arc.

RomanceDawn

I know Oda hasn't forgotten about the Dojo. All I said was that after 30 chapters of FI it has not come up once, which would make it appear so. I am very aware of how Oda lets very small details sit until he is ready to reveal them in full force. I know for a fact we are going to see it, especially after seeing young Jinbe training in his uniform I know he hasn't forgotten it. Did no one read the second sentence you all quoted?

Darkstorm

@Urouge:

Consider this. Oda has had the crew planned out well in advance. Oda decided to add the supernovas to the Sabaody arc on a moment's notice.

Brook was introduced later then he planned, so I wouldn't be surprised by oda either introducing a crewmater earlier then planned, or in point of fact exactly when he planned to but simply with other new characters at the same time.

Urouge

@Cymelion:

Hang on - I thought they were already planned to be included in the new world - or do you mean he made the set up for them to appear early on a moments notice?

Yeah, that. It doesn't fit with his planning methods to change the setup of a future crew member on a whim as far as I can tell.

Maybe he was just having performance issues prior to Sabondy
/fleethewrath

I think… you don't understand the importance of his specific bounty number.

@Darkstorm:

Brook was introduced later then he planned, so I wouldn't be surprised by oda either introducing a crewmater earlier then planned, or in point of fact exactly when he planned to but simply with other new characters at the same time.

That's a pretty tall prediction, don't you think? Assuming one specific 1 of the 9 was pre-planned to appear while the other 8 weren't just to fit a theory. He also didn't change his plans with Brook on a moment's notice. I have to believe more thought went into it than that.

But let's assume, for the sake of argument, that he did this. Bonney had zero interaction with Luffy at all. They didn't even meet. It'd be the Perona/Zoro arguments all over again.

Darkstorm

@Urouge:

That's a pretty tall prediction, don't you think? Assuming one specific 1 of the 9 was pre-planned to appear while the other 8 weren't just to fit a theory. He also didn't change his plans with Brook on a moment's notice. I have to believe more thought went into it than that.

As the story evolves from his original five year plan it's not really that far fetched at all that he sees a better introduction point for a character then he originally had scheduled.

@Urouge:

But let's assume, for the sake of argument, that he did this. Bonney had zero interaction with Luffy at all. They didn't even meet. It'd be the Perona/Zoro arguments all over again.

I don't think she's joining.

Robby

@kiksulol:

If Jimbei joins the crew, i will quit reading / watching One Piece. Jimbei aint Straw hat material if you ask me. Till next arc guys, next arc

Did you really join the site JUST to post that? Just to say you're leaving the series?

You won't be missed.

kiksulol

@RobbyBevard:

Did you really join the site JUST to post that? Just to say you're leaving the series?

You won't be missed.

I just really hate this "Jimbei awsome next straw hat omg! <3 " -thing. I just don't get it what people see in him. Can anyone enlighten me?

Urouge

@Darkstorm:

As the story evolves from his original five year plan it's not really that far fetched at all that he sees a better introduction point for a character then he originally had scheduled.

On such short notice, though? That's a major change that seems like it'd be decided on far too quickly considering the level of planning Oda has shown.

I don't think she's joining.

Well, it's good to know that the world isn't ending.

Kishido

@kiksulol:

If Jimbei joins the crew, i will quit reading / watching One Piece. Jimbei aint Straw hat material if you ask me. Till next arc guys, next arc

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i can be heroic

@kiksulol:

I just really hate this "Jimbei awsome next straw hat omg! <3 " -thing. I just don't get it what people see in him. Can anyone enlighten me?

Jinbei works for a few different reasons imo actually. His strength allows the SH's Monster Trio to open up into the Monster Foursome, which is good because now it doesn't always have to be Zoro and Sanji backing up Luffy as he takes on the big baddy. He's also obviously a fishman so Luffy's diverse crew continues to grow bigger and more diverse with the addition of a 3rd race. A minor point but now when one of the crews DF users is submerged they have almost nothing to worry about seeing as they have the Knight of the Sea there to help (I understand this was already Zoro & Sanji for awhile but why not have the best swimmer swim?) Jinbei joining the SH's also instantly makes them more respected and legit, being a former 1st mate of Fisher Tiger/Captain/Warlord. Even though he isn't universally liked by everybody, he seems to be universally respected by almost everyone so seeing Jinbei join the SH's would open even more eyes to Luffy and his quest to be the Pirate King. I'm not necessarily saying Jinbei will 100% definitely join, I'm just saying that if it's going to be anybody at this point, nobody fits better than him (both literally and figuratively).

Kishido

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Darkstorm

@Urouge:

On such short notice, though? That's a major change that seems like it'd be decided on far too quickly considering the level of planning Oda has shown.

Well it really depends on how good the original debut he had planned was. And looking at what some of the supernovae have done since (Law & luffy, Drake inciting an Emperor, Bonney and Sakazuki), Oda either planned it longer then he said he did or he's fantastic at doing things on the fly.

Shift

@kiksulol:

I just really hate this "Jimbei awsome next straw hat omg! <3 " -thing. I just don't get it what people see in him. Can anyone enlighten me?

creak,creak,creak

Well, sit back, sonny. It's gonna be a long, long, long…

...loooooooong story.