So then what does Kuni mean? more then just the word for word translation - things like that have a way of being misunderstood or used in the wrong context.
16 characters of "the state".
So then what does Kuni mean? more then just the word for word translation - things like that have a way of being misunderstood or used in the wrong context.
16 characters of "the state".
16 characters of "the state".
Not really applicable for a power then - since that term is a designation of area not the substance of the area itself - some countries have completely different soil types and as such would mean anyone with that power would have abilities ranging from Crocodile - Aokiji and even Caribou (Sand - Ice - Swamp)
But Oda can come up with any interpretation he wants. It could be Capone's fruit, if Oda says he has a whole country inside of his body, haha.
I don't think it's the case, it's just an example.
I wouldn't guess a "Slip Fruit" would make your skin smooth and all. It's all about interpretation.
But Oda can come up with any interpretation he wants. It could be Capone's fruit, if Oda says he has a whole country inside of his body, haha.
I don't think it's the case, it's just an example.I wouldn't guess a "Slip Fruit" would make your skin smooth and all. It's all about interpretation.
Hence the problem a lot of us have - some people get stuck on context in their own language a different language could completely throw that out. But yeah Oda's interpretation is key here he has come up with a few crazy things in his time.
Hence the problem a lot of us have - some people get stuck on context in their own language a different language could completely throw that out. But yeah Oda's interpretation is key here he has come up with a few crazy things in his time.
Yes, that's the key.
Suberu (Subesube no Mi) means to slip, but Nameraka, which uses the same kanji, means smooth.
That's something that only makes sense in japanese.
Yes, that's the key.
Suberu (Subesube no Mi) means to slip, but Nameraka, which uses the same kanji, means smooth.
That's something that only makes sense in japanese.
Yeah thats why I tend to take most translations with a grain of salt - although Aohige's ones I've learnt to trust unquestionably - but that said it's an interesting language I won't even pretend to say the 3 years I studied it in Night Classes put me even remotely close to understanding it at all. Never try to learn a language if you have no one to speak it to >.>
Still believe that Jinbe is in for a ride on the Sunny
@ac3:
Still believe that Jinbe is in for a ride on the Sunny
after this chapter shirahoshi became a good candidate. With her ability to control sea kings she could be a valuable asset..
after this chapter shirahoshi became a good candidate. With her ability to control sea kings she could be a valuable asset..
Actually I think Jinbe's chances went up more than hers. With Shirahoshi's confirmed ability it's obvious she will continue her Mother's will and protect FI with her ability,and the only thing it means is Vader Decken is not a pedo, he's [[and maybe Hody]] actually after her for a reason,nothing more.
Also the latest chapter confirms "Jinbe's gang" aren't Pirates anymore just citizens of FI in service to the King.
after this chapter shirahoshi became a good candidate. With her ability to control sea kings she could be a valuable asset..
No, she really doesn't. Lack of a unique ability was far from the only thing preventing her from being one.
Also the latest chapter confirms "Jinbe's gang" aren't Pirates anymore just citizens of FI in service to the King.
No, they had to leave when Jinbe quit being a warlord.
Also the latest chapter confirms "Jinbe's gang" aren't Pirates anymore just citizens of FI in service to the King.
a) no it doesn't
b) where the heck does it say that they are in service to the king? They don't have the Ammo-Knight armor.
No, they had to leave when Jinbe quit being a warlord.
LOL well yea I know that but I remember some arguments against Jinbe being "He has his own crew.they've sailed in the New World" which we see isn't true. I really think Jinbe has been hanging out in FI this whole time and therefore [[maybe]] has not been to the NW before.
a) no it doesn't
b) where the heck does it say that they are in service to the king? They don't have the Ammo-Knight armor.
Well Idk ,I just assumed since Aladdin patched up the World Noble besides what else are they doing on FI if not in service to Neptune? Jinbe said Aladdin and others wanted to return home which I assume are people made up of his gang.
Don't think they need formal attire since Jinbe is a Warlord.
I don't want Jinbe nor Shiratori to be the new Crewmates, but if I have to pick one, I'd rather get Jinbe, he has already been shown being awesome at times and he can evolve his personality with running gags and what not (also, his expressions are cool). The princess pisses me off and her ability to control Sea Kings would be cooler used in other characters… Like Jinbe Trollface.jpg
LOL well yea I know that but I remember some arguments against Jinbe being "He has his own crew.they've sailed in the New World" which we see isn't true. I really think Jinbe has been hanging out in FI this whole time and therefore [[maybe]] has not been to the NW before.
So… when he talked about the times he visited Whitebeard's ship, he was lying?
So… when he talked about the times he visited Whitebeard's ship, he was lying?
Nope,never said that ,but when did Oda Confirm these meetings took place in the NW ???
sure people assume that,but just as we see in the current timeline Luffy's ship the Sunny sitting in the Sea forest right next to Jinbe,I assume Whitebeard could have very well did the same thing maybe he came to check on FI from time to time and chopped it up with Jinbe while he was there,as a matter of fact it's been said WB and Neptune are old friends,so yea any type of situations could have inspired Jinbe's visit to the Ship or Vise versa WB's visit to FI.
It seems pretty clear to me that Jimbei has been to the New World. Probably quite a lot, at that. Remember when Ace was gunning for Whitebeard, Jimbei showed up to stop him and WB arrived at the scene as well. I really doubt WB would go to the other side of the Red Line for that, let alone that Ace would be looking for him there in the first place. No, it was definitely in the NW. Of course, we don't know that Jimbei has necessarily sailed the NW as a captain of a crew.
No, it was definitely in the NW. Of course, we don't know that Jimbei has necessarily sailed the NW as a captain of a crew.
Please,by all means show me "Definitely"? :wassat:
I did explain it in my post. Why would you conclude that Ace was looking for WB, an Emperor who rules in the New World, in the first half of the Grand Line? When he also met Shanks, another Emperor, pretty recently? Would Whitebeard really come all the way to Paradise to check on the rookie who wants his head? I can't see any reason to think it wasn't the New World.
I knew from the spoilers that at least one person would recommend Shirahoshi for the sea kings. Response: Bluegories chopped up sea kings to feed ID prisoners. Pre-timeskip fodder > a sea king.
Edit: And I don't think Jinbe necessarily was in the NW and even if he was, Robin knows a lot and it doesn't spoil the adventure. Luffy saying that to a huge reveal like the One Piece is totally different from minor convenient information Jinbe might know about NW dangers.
Also the latest chapter confirms "Jinbe's gang" aren't Pirates anymore just citizens of FI in service to the King.
it seems you have forgotten that Jinbe isn't a shichibukai any more. so he and his gang are wanted pirates once more.
I have a theory for what Jinbe's dream could be if he were to join the crew that I wanna share.
As we know Robin has confirmed that there is a polyglyph in the Sea Forest, which most likely will include something historical about Fishman Island or more importantly Ryguu Kingdoms future. I think this glyph will entail the existence of a Lost Island in which Seafolk used to inhabit on the surface before coming to the Sea floor because of unknown reasons [[void century?]] for now let's call this place Atlantis,this may some how tie in with that Arc in the middle of Noah [[Fishman District]].
Now, I think the reason Fisher Tiger left Noah to become an Adventurer in the first place is because he was in the service of King Neptune and Queen Otohime, the reason being to venture out into the World and find a suitable place for the people of FI to live comfortably in the presence of Humans on the Surface ,this is understandable, since this has been Otohimes agenda the entire Flashback and It would make sense that Her and Neptune sent someone out to survey possible places to migrate to , unless she was just winging her entire concept of leaving , which I doubt since Otohime was really sincere about this move. Ofc the person she chose for this task being Fisher Tiger [[arguably the Strongest Fishman back then]] which would explain why he had business at Ryugu Palace on his return to FI. BUT we all know how this ended with Tiger being captured ,becoming a slave of the World Nobles, losing respect for Humans as a race and ultimately Freeing all the slaves at Mariejoa [[even humans]] then becoming a freedom fighter, but still keeping Otohime's ideals at heart.
Where does Jinbe fit in all of this you ask? well I suspect that after the crew takes care of The coup de' tat by Hody, Robin, will reveal to Jinbe and company what she found on the glyph this will disclose the existence of this Forgotten Island,Atlantis and the confirmation of it being in the New World. Jinbe, as Tiger's successor decides he wants to continue his Big Brother's Legacy and discover this Utopia's location which he will join the SH Pirates as their Adventurer but his Primary Job on the Ship will be that of the unofficial Helmsmen. This will complete this final step in bringing his people closer to coexisting with Humans peacefully.
Continuing my belief that Fishman Island WONT be destroyed by Luffy. Shirahoshi will gain some courage and begin to preach Otohime's Ideals to her people and Take a similar role the Queen had before her death trying to get signatures to get followers for the eventual move from FI that will happen in the future.
Well that is my theory. If you took the time to read,please tell me what you think :ninja:
pretty cool theory =)
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't arguing Jimbei's having been in the NW as a knock against him. I actually really like the idea of him being a sort of bridge between the "old" and the "new" generation in the Strawhat crew. It's like Crocodile, he's a well known badass and (well former) Shichibukai who is like 45 years old, but he's still heading into the NW to kick some more ass and take part in the new era. Jimbei could do the same.
I knew from the spoilers that at least one person would recommend Shirahoshi for the sea kings. Response: Bluegories chopped up sea kings to feed ID prisoners. Pre-timeskip fodder > a sea king.
Edit: And I don't think Jinbe necessarily was in the NW and even if he was, Robin knows a lot and it doesn't spoil the adventure. Luffy saying that to a huge reveal like the One Piece is totally different from minor convenient information Jinbe might know about NW dangers.
Didn't he fight Ace in the New World? Not saying he was there all the time, but he had to been there to go meet with Whitebeard every once in a while.
@S.C.:
Didn't he fight Ace in the New World? Not saying he was there all the time, but he had to been there to go meet with Whitebeard every once in a while.
It wasn't directly stated. It's possible, and I never meant to imply he definitely never went to the NW, so if I did, I'm sorry. Even if he did, it shouldn't mean anything to his chances of joining/not joining. Jinbe being knowledgeable of some NW phenomena shouldn't be any different than Robin knowing about lots of things they find. Just knowing about a challenge in a shonen doesn't automatically make it less challenging or thrilling for the crew. Think of them knowing stuff like you using a guide for a video game. You still have to play and overcome the challenges, just because you know how doesn't always mean you can properly apply it right away. It's just big reveals like Usopp was asking about that would kill a lot of the fun.
To anyone giving Shirahoshi's revealed power credence for joining, let me ask: would Shirahoshi calling a Sea King every time to fight her battles for her make for good plot development? Either the fish would just eat the bad guy whole, or would get sliced in half, or would eat the baddie and get sliced in half from the inside. And Shirahoshi would be on the sidelines, crying. Or maybe sitting on and squishing the baddie while he recovers from the stomach juices.
To anyone giving Shirahoshi's revealed power credence for joining, let me ask: would Shirahoshi calling a Sea King every time to fight her battles for her make for good plot development? Either the fish would just eat the bad guy whole, or would get sliced in half, or would eat the baddie and get sliced in half from the inside. And Shirahoshi would be on the sidelines, crying. Or maybe sitting on and squishing the baddie while he recovers from the stomach juices.
Considering bluegoris which were pre-timeskip fodder could kill sea kings, calling them to fight seems weak without even taking into consideration how dull the resulting fights might be.
Considering bluegoris which were pre-timeskip fodder could kill sea kings, calling them to fight seems weak without even taking into consideration how dull the resulting fights might be.
Can we even call that thing a Sea King? It seems too small, to be honest.
I feel the need to point out that sea kings are AQUATIC creatures, and that the ability to call them would still be useless on land
I feel the need to point out that sea kings are AQUATIC creatures, and that the ability to call them would still be useless on land
Well, it wouldn't stop them from using Body Slam from the shore if they're big enough. ;P
Which would eityher be useless, or crush everyone nearby as well, making it pretty useless anyways
So we're all agreed: super Sea King powers alone do not a crewmate make.
Hey Jeff, if you’re out there, we were each half right: Jinbe was late. XD
Only one person suggested Shirahoshi as a 'good candidate', and they were soundly shut up. Let's just not talk about her at all and avoid the inevitable and insufferable argument directed at an invisible group of people.
Well, it wouldn't stop them from using Body Slam from the shore if they're big enough. ;P
They could still use Hydro Pump.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Can we even call that thing a Sea King? It seems too small, to be honest.
to quote Aohige's excellent post there are two kinds of creatures both being translated as Sea Kings but only the really big ones are sea kings
Those are not Sea Kings. Those are Sea Monsters.
Sea Kings = 海王類
Sea Monsters = 海獣They are clearly written distinct from each other in the manga.
Ah, that explains a lot of my mixed interpretations about how terrifying Sea Kings get presented as. Sometimes they seem fodderized more than threatening, but I'm guessing aside from making Rayleigh and Momonga look badass, most of those were just sea monsters.
The only thing that seems off to me is T-Bone cutting a sea king in half. I guess it was just a baby or something, as well as the ones the Bluegori sliced up, but the one Momonga had to kill from the inside wasn't much bigger than a battleship.
These things in chapter 625 aren't even in the same league as those ones. The ones in 625 are far bigger.
Perhaps I'm selling Oda short, but is it possible that Oda simply drew the sea kings poorly? He has had problems with drawing characters to scale before, it wouldn't be that shocking or story breaking if he simply messed up a drawing. Of course, I don't know much about sea kings, so there could just be separate classes of sea kings that I'm unaware of.
I knew from the spoilers that at least one person would recommend Shirahoshi for the sea kings. Response: Bluegories chopped up sea kings to feed ID prisoners. Pre-timeskip fodder > a sea king.
As it was already mentioned: Sea Kings are useless on land, but (and that was my main reason): The ability to control Sea Kings allows you to pass Calm Belt without Seastonetech & they would seem helpful in a battle against a whole fleet (e.g. like rogers battle with shiki).
ed: and it would be a fitting message - Otohimes daughter on a adventure with humans .. why do you think this chapters title is uninhertited will?
If they'll be useless outside of a fleet battle, that makes her more of a valued ally for a later war against the WG like a lot of people expect more than a valuable constant crewmate. The NW lies between the Calm Belts too, so I doubt they'd need someone to get through it.
Hey Jeff, if you’re out there, we were each half right: Jinbe was late. XD
Yep, pretty much.
Not much to say about this chapter, Jinbe's has yet to become our main man in the flashback. We'll see if that changes over the next two or so chapters.
how many people are claiming the princess will now be a new crewmate because of this chapter
海獣 is spelled "Kaijuu".
It's a slang, and not an official term.
There are several different meaning to it, and the most common one is "sea mammal".
Next are "sea monsters (like 怪獣, also spelled Kaijuu)" seen in monster movies, such as Godzilla.
From the way they are portrayed I think it's safe to say the One Piece Kaijuu are the latter one, and not just any "sea mammals".
Sea Kings are massive creatures that don't belong in Sea Monster category, and are vastly different in size.
Even in real life gigantic sea creatures are very different in size, even within the same species.
Not all Sea Kings are equally threatening.
The biggest ones we saw were the ones that came out when Going Merry first entered Calm Belt.
Remember those? Those were like mountain size, rivaling San Juan. They were insane.
I doubt the Sea Kings Blugori hunted come anywhere near that level of threat or size.
But Impel Down is in the Calm Belt where said Sea Kings of those size would be.
how many people are claiming the princess will now be a new crewmate because of this chapter
Just one. Several hours between posts. Like brennen said, not a good idea to randomly argue it amongst ourselves against an invisible person. He posts and leaves for a while, so it's best not to discuss it while he's gone. No point to.
Edit: thanks for clarifying that Aohige. It makes sense. I just wonder how fearsome the larger sea kings are to people like Rayleigh, or if you'd prefer top tier characters. Like the initial Calm Belt ones, or the ones Shirahoshi called which looked to be huge too.
@S.C.:
But Impel Down is in the Calm Belt where said Sea Kings of those size would be.
What makes you think all the Sea Kings in the Calm Belt are the same size? That makes no sense.
They are actually just categorization, and not species.
All you have to do is look at them. The ones that lifted Merry hundreds of yards up in the air was much larger than the ones Bluegori hunted.
They all live in Calm belt. End of story.
Big ones usually only live in Calm Belt. Smaller (but still huge) ones live in Calm Belt and everywhere else.
There's no contradiction.
What makes you think all the Sea Kings in the Calm Belt are the same size? That literally makes no sense.
They are actually just categorization, and not species.All you have to do is look at them. The ones that lifted Merry hundreds of yards up in the air was much larger than the ones Bluegori hunted.
They all live in Calm belt. End of story.
I'm not saying that, but you were making it sound like the Blugoris hunt them from a totally different area then where they are. Could they kill those big ones? Hell if I know.
@S.C.:
I'm not saying that, but you were making it sound like the Blugoris hunt them from a totally different area then where they are. Could they kill those big ones? Hell if I know.
I didn't suggest any such.
All I said is, "the ones we saw when Merry first entered Calm Belt" were larger.
I didn't say "nowhere else on Calm Belt can you see creatures that size".
I think you're assuming things that I didn't actually say.
EDIT: I see where you're confused.
"I doubt the Sea Kings Blugori hunted come anywhere near that level of threat or size"
Correct?
I'm talking about the actual Sea Kings we saw in the manga that Bluegori hunted.
Those where nowhere near the size of what we saw four hundred chapters ago.
That is all. Whether or not there are larger Sea Kings in the area, and Bluegori can hunt them or not, isn't the question.
I'm talking about the specific ones we actually saw in the manga.
Aohige, I'm assuming that the thing T-Bone cut in half was properly translated as a sea king. Please let me know if I'm mistaken.
Yep, pretty much.
Not much to say about this chapter, Jinbe's has yet to become our main man in the flashback. We'll see if that changes over the next two or so chapters.
Yeah, he's been splitting time with characters who are now dead. Just like most of the characters that joined the crew.
Aohige, I'm assuming that the thing T-Bone cut in half was properly translated as a sea king. Please let me know if I'm mistaken.
I think so, but I don't have the chapter on hand right now to check.