NOT a conclusive Sabo death, a floating hat means nothing in OP. Sabo is alive (I hope)!
Btw people shouldnt forget that this is the Grand Line, sailing is not that easy so maybe Sabo was still stuck on an island or he had to navigate to other islands first and stuff, those new world pirates may have way more eternal logs and stuff and coated ships!
But really… Why nobody is talking about Tom being alive? There was no corpse as well... But in Sabo's case he has to be alive and everything will be excused simple.
Hell he should go straight first to tell Luffy and Ace that he manage to live after being attacked by a ship and a shole town talking about him being dead
After reading this chapter, I'm 99% certain that Luffy will die at the end of One Piece. It seems fitting to me that when everything is over, Luffy gets to be with his brothers again, albeit in the afterlife.
the only thing different about all those events are they are present tense. We are left with thinking they are dead, yet what happens? They show up again some time later.
Guess who hasnt' shown up yet sometime later?
LMAO, you didn't know what or who Sabo was or is before this flashback. What exactly is "sometime later"? Within the same arc he was mentioned or introduced?
@KiShiDo:
But really… Why nobody is talking about Tom being alive? There was no corpse as well... But in Sabo's case he has to be alive and everything will be excused simple.
Hell he should go straight first to tell Luffy and Ace that he manage to live after being attacked by a ship and a shole town talking about him being dead
You're becoming annoying. I remember members saying Tom was alive and in a past chap thread it was actually discussed.
But just for your curiosity Tom is alive, so is Saul and Mr. 11.
Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
LMAO, you didn't know what or who Sabo was or is before this flashback. What exactly is "sometime later"? Within the same arc he was mentioned or introduced?
i was kind of thinking sometime later would be sometime before 10 year reunion comes around.
you know you leave without saying goodbye, not sure if your friends are alive and just leave a note saying "I promise" to meet you again and dont' find the time to get aroudn to that in 10 years?
and Sabo is a human male, name Sabo. born a noble of gao kingdom. I dont' recall seeing him as of yet.
Ace knows about sabos x. It's on the letter he recieved.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/73205842/19
MAS
Sabo should've said after telling Ace to take care of Luffy that they all will one day meet at the pirate's summit.
@Sammsy:
i was kind of thinking sometime later would be sometime before 10 year reunion comes around.
you know you leave without saying goodbye, not sure if your friends are alive and just leave a note saying "I promise" to meet you again and dont' find the time to get aroudn to that in 10 years?
He said goodbye in the letter. He wrote the letter and addressed that he believed they were alive in the letter.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
LMAO, you didn't know what or who Sabo was or is before this flashback. What exactly is "sometime later"? Within the same arc he was mentioned or introduced?
You're becoming annoying. I remember members saying Tom was alive and in a past chap thread it was actually discussed.
But just for your curiosity Tom is alive, so is Saul and Mr. 11.
Ok thank you. Now I know that in this case I can't you take seriously^^
Or Luffy dies in the end of the manga and the 3 meet again after dead.
Next time on Lost.
No but seriously, Sabo is alive. The hat bullshit is worse than Pell, and is clearly in reference to Ace's hat after Blackbeard fucks that nigga up.
Ace knows about sabos x. It's on the letter he recieved.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/73205842/19
Good find.
Now would someone explain the placement of that tat? Seems pretty stupid to be before the C and after the A in Ace. Wouldn't it make a little more sense if it was after "ACE"???
Ace knows about sabos x. It's on the letter he recieved.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/73205842/19
Awesome find… More and more it seems Ace's tattoo is really in honor of Sabo
Luffy had plenty of time to reach marineford with normal ship, just that going there was more risky than impel down so he went there instead.
No he didn't. He got to Impel Down with a day to spare. Marineford is half an hour away, so they're basically in the same place. Luffy NEEDED the shortcut of the currents to get there in four days, and not more than a week, and he was actually in the general vicinity.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/522/10/
But anyway besidse Luffy, we have 47 new world ships + those of whitebeard and his crwe that who knows where they were all scattered in the new world.
I assumed they used transponder snails and vivre cards to get the word out and met up on the way, rather than all gather, and THEN move. And we have no idea where WB was generally situated, particularly since he WASN'T interested in One Piece, there's no reason to assume he was at the end of the grand line. (insert speculation about Mihawk meeting Shanks mere days after first meeting Luffy suggesting Shanks was in the old world for a while.)
But they ALL managed to get back to the old world to marineford in time, which includes getting all their ships coated. And hmm it takes rayleigh 3 days to coat a ship. not saying you can't do it faster, but its not just so simple as reach red line bow a bubble in seconds and head on through.
We still don't know whats involved in coating. It might be a one time process that lasts forever, or that can be done while travelling. In either case it wouldn't factor at all for ships that have already been to the new world and had to go through fishman island at some point.
The fact that Sengoku seemed so surprised by the submerged ships and hadn't really planned for them during the war indicates that there's a lot we don't know about the process yet.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Your welcome .
No thank you^^ …
Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
I really liked the coverpage. I wonder if that "teru-teru-bozu" (sorry I have any idea how to spell it correctly) is a gift in SJ too, besides being on the cover. Because it looks real, there may be an additional something. I want that. XD
But really… Why nobody is talking about Tom being alive? There was no corpse as well... But in Sabo's case he has to be alive and everything will be excused simple.
Hell he should go straight first to tell Luffy and Ace that he manage to live after being attacked by a ship and a shole town talking about him being dead
In Tom's case if he was alive he probably should have been in Impel Down, but Luffy has gone there and didn't find him, so I guess it has made most people forget the idea.
But I think the main reason they are so bugged about Sabo being dead is because he was only a child when it happened, and because they learned about his death right after Ace have died. So just give them some more chapters without Sabo showing up, and they will probably accept it or at least diminish the discussion about it.
If Sabo is alive the optimal moment for him to appear should be on the next chapter, so we wait and see what happens…
@robbybedfart:
No he didn't. He got to Impel Down with a day to spare. Marineford is half an hour away, so they're basically in the same place. Luffy NEEDED the shortcut of the currents to get there in time, and not a full week too late, and he was still on that half of the grandline in the general vicinity.
I assumed they used transponder snails and vivre cards to get the word out and met up on the way, rather than all gather, and THEN move. And we have no idea where WB was generally situated, particularly since he WASN'T interested in One Piece, there's no reason to assume he was at the end of the grand line. (insert speculation about Mihawk meeting Shanks mere days after first meeting Luffy suggesting Shanks was in the old world for a while.)
We still don't know whats involved in coating. It might be a one time process that lasts forever, or that can be done while travelling. In either case it wouldn't factor at all for ships that have already been to the new world and had to go through fishman island at some point.
The fact that Sengoku seemed so surprised by the submerged ships and hadn't really planned for them during the war indicates that there's a lot we don't know about the process yet.
Just as an addition to this. If it turns out that Sabo is the rebel that saved Robin. He would have to be all the way in the west blue, or at least fairly close to it, when the news of the execution cam out.
Sabo is 99% percent alive
i stronlgy believe Dragon saved him and took him with him
and it explains why Sabo didnt come the HQ to save his bro as Dragon didnt interfere to it either
(Dragon didnt come to save his son from a sure death even, how cruel he is :S)
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
You're not welcome?
I do not care^^ But you start to waste my time
After reading the chapter, I'm relieved that Ace didn't die in the fire.
Last chapter was really a cliffhanger
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About Sabo, I don't think that he died and I think that we will have the proof next chapter. This flashback needs to be more dramatic, so Sabo being alive and nobodyknowing it would be perfect.
And for the reasons why he didn't show up, by acting like dead his parents will finally let him alone.
time for speculation
I just checked: If Sabo really is the guy from Robins Cover-Story he would have been in East-Blue. So even if he went straight for Ace he probably wouldn't be in time. Whitebeard is already on a ship and was imediatly ready to go, while it's possible that Sabo didn't even have a ship under his control to begin with.
Or maybe he's really dead and all the talk is for nothing:getlost:
Sabo is 99% percent alive
i stronlgy believe Dragon saved him and took him with him
and it explains why Sabo didnt come the HQ to save his bro as Dragon didnt interfere to it either
(Dragon didnt come to save his son from a sure death even, how cruel he is :S)
Ace isn't his son
Dragon couldn't know that Luffy would make it in time after being defeated by Kuma
Iva stated… that if Ace would be the son... Dragon would come
(Dragon didnt come to save his son from a sure death even, how cruel he is :S)
Dragon had no reason to believe that his son would be there.
Sad chapter. Sad, but good.
A lot of people seem to think Sabo can't be dead because there'd be no point in having introduced him and done this flashback. I think that's missing the point of this story. This is showing that Luffy has lost a brother before, and that will be important to showing how he deals with the death of Ace.
Thus, the flashback having served this purpose, I think this could be the end of it and that we'll be back to Amazon Lily after the break.
Sabo is 99% percent alive
i stronlgy believe Dragon saved him and took him with him
and it explains why Sabo didnt come the HQ to save his bro as Dragon didnt interfere to it either
(Dragon didnt come to save his son from a sure death even, how cruel he is :S)
Dragon's ship is not seen anywhere near the place during the time sabo was sunk, and how was Dragon supposed to know Luffy would be at the war, last reports have him on the GL.
Sabo is 99% percent alive
i stronlgy believe Dragon saved him and took him with him
and it explains why Sabo didnt come the HQ to save his bro as Dragon didnt interfere to it either
(Dragon didnt come to save his son from a sure death even, how cruel he is :S)
You know what else explains him not being at Marineford?
He died.
You know the real tragedy? Even though Sabo might still be alive, Ace would never know that fact T_T
Sabo was busy fighting the monster in the Florian Triangle during the war.
You know what else explains him not being at Marineford?
He died.
Well him being the guy from Robins cover-story and therefore being in east-blue when the execution was announced sounds like a solid explanation to me.
Or are you suggesting you can sail the first half of GL in one week? and that would even imply Robins story was done in one day otherwise it would be even less time.
There was loads of speculation that Tom was still alive. Still is. (And even random speculation that hes the fishman on Blackbeard's crew.)
It's mostly died down at this point since we've been through and left Impel Down, and it doesn't seem likely that we'll ever see it again.
But then, if we'd seen him at ID, we would also have needed to see him escape, which would be kind of counter-productive towards Franky's entire backstory. Not like he'd be a guy of any significance to Luffy.
Thats the sort of reveal that can wait until the very end of the series when Luffy ultimatley fixes the system. Much like Bon Kurei surviving.
Sad chapter. Sad, but good.
A lot of people seem to think Sabo can't be dead because there'd be no point in having introduced him and done this flashback. I think that's missing the point of this story. This is showing that Luffy has lost a brother before, and that will be important to showing how he deals with the death of Ace.
Thus, the flashback having served this purpose, I think this could be the end of it and that we'll be back to Amazon Lily after the break.
All of this will be wrong.
Sabo is alive, and the flashback has not served it's purpose and will continue on for some chapters more.
@Thousand:
You know the real tragedy? Even though Sabo might still be alive, Ace would never know that fact T_T
yeah it really is a shame :/
if he is still alive and finally get to meet with Luffy
they will surelly mention the fact that Ace died without knowing his other brother was alive :/
It would be different if we saw like, Sabo with his eyes rolled back thinking "I'm sorry guys, Guess you'll just have to be better pirates then I tried to be" stuff. All we saw was the ship on fire. Even if he is alive, which i beleive he is, what would be the point to showing him alive and having Luffy think he is dead, it leaves a sense of,…idk, smarter then Luffy? Lol
The manga follows Luffy, which is why we followed Luffy after the separation. It's not in Oda's style to let us know something important like this, without Luffy knowing it. It would be like telling us Dragon was Luffy's father back at Loguetown, and Garp telling Luffy he was his father would be less meaningful and powerful.
Sabo is stuck on the same rock Sanji and Zeff got stranded on. He's waiting for his ride.
@Das:
Well him being the guy from Robins cover-story
could u explain plz 
Damn, that chapter was sad. And the last panel took the cake.
Sabo's clearly dead, I mean Oda's such a big fan of offscreen, underplayed deaths for important characters right guys???
@Das:
Well him being the guy from Robins cover-story and therefore being in east-blue when the execution was announced sounds like a solid explanation to me.
Or are you suggesting you can sail the first half of GL in one week? and that would even imply Robins story was done in one day otherwise it would be even less time.
While that's possible, I don't see any evidence supporting it (what you're saying is circumstances that would allow it; not definitive evidence).
Can you explain the second part? I don't understand what sailing the first half of the Grand Line in a week has to do with anything.
And there's really no reason why there can't be other Revolutionaries based in the East Blue. When we see Dragon at the base in Paladego, there are numerous reports of various revolutions occurring around the world. It's not really a 'solid explanation'.
@Thousand:
You know the real tragedy? Even though Sabo might still be alive, Ace would never know that fact T_T
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It's a little ambiguous if Sabo is alive or not, but I'm going 70% in favor of him alive. The point is, it gave Ace a tragic background, which explained his behavior in the present up to and including his death. This was more Ace's flashback, rather than Luffy's. Oda is giving Ace closure. The fact that Luffy is safe, living his dream, and has found good crewmates is all Ace wanted. He watched Luffy grow up from the weak little boy that he had to take of as a child to an Adult. If Luffy had died, Ace would have been utterly alone and without purpose.
I'm really leaning towards sabo being still alive … cos from a story telling perspective, they haven't really been focusing this flashback on the bond between ace & luffy being strengthened by their relationship on sabo ....
.... No, instead, there has been significant focus on Sabo, which means there'd need to be a story payoff. As we've all seen, Oda excells in weaving in story elements way before they are needed, so possibly while this flashback is under the cover of ace & luffy's meeting, its being used to set up the origin of Sabo.
Really, when I think about it, I suspect Sabo is already an established character, especially if he was such an important person to ace & luffy. People will call me stupid, but I'm kind of leaning towards Blackbeard. Don't know why, but he's like the biggest character on which we have no background information, nor any vision of what he was like when he was smaller.
could u explain plz
There was speculation Sabo would be this guy
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/546/01/
since the hat and the hair are kinda similar
I've said it before in the spoiler thread and I'll say it again. If Sabo is dead and done for, then this marks one of Oda's worst moves as an author.
I'm really leaning towards sabo being still alive … cos from a story telling perspective, they haven't really been focusing this flashback on the bond between ace & luffy being strengthened by their relationship on sabo ....
.... No, instead, there has been significant focus on Sabo, which means there'd need to be a story payoff. As we've all seen, Oda excells in weaving in story elements way before they are needed, so possibly while this flashback is under the cover of ace & luffy's meeting, its being used to set up the origin of Sabo.
Really, when I think about it, I suspect Sabo is already an established character, especially if he was such an important person to ace & luffy. People will call me stupid, but I'm kind of leaning towards Blackbeard. Don't know why, but he's like the biggest character on which we have no background information, nor any vision of what he was like when he was smaller.
Blackbeard was a member of Whitebeard's crew long before Sabo was born. And according to chapter 0 he's looked the same for the last 20 years.
@Das:
There was speculation Sabo would be this guy
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/546/01/
since the hat and the hair are kinda similar
thnx dude 
but i think it is far fetched
Sabo's clearly dead, I mean Oda's such a big fan of offscreen, underplayed deaths for important characters right guys???
right!!! and this flaahback is otaly over even though we have no idea what maks dadan important yet, or why oida made the kings face shadowd, or what else hapend like ace gettign deval fruits
luffy will take strength from remembering how ace was sad even though he was not there to see it :) and even though there is no reason to tak compforat from that memory :)
I've said it before in the spoiler thread and I'll say it again. If Sabo is dead and done for, then this marks one of Oda's worst moves as an author.
Yeah, if this is the end of the flashback it was pretty bad.
and you should see the even more plentiful excuses for where Sabo is, why he didin't show, why he never told Luffy/Ace he is alvie and so on in the spoiler section.
some other ones off top head are, he is world noble slave, he is Law, he is a spy so can't blow cover, he turned evil.
hmm what else where there out there to explain Sabo. You guys are really starting to come off as desperate on your attempts to keep this man alive. sure he could be alive, but really are we going to be predicting sabo's return or show up every week like how it is for dragon.
Trapped in the New World is completely possible.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
Can you explain the second part? I don't understand what sailing the first half of the Grand Line in a week has to do with anything.
The execution was announced one week in advance and Marinford is pretty near the end of the first half. So Sabo would have to sail the whole first half to reach marineford.
And I said in my previous post that this was just speculation. And Sabo being the guy from the cover-story was speculated before. Of course it could be some random Revolutionary and Sabo is dead but it is possible that Sabo is alive. He just didn't have the "satisfaction" other FB-Characters like Hiluluk or Saul had. until there is confirmation everything is speculation.
EDIT: I'm not claiming the absolute truth here. I'm just overthinking a few possibilities.
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