Arlong has a surprisingly low share of the vote considering the things he did, imo.
Most Despicable Villain(s) so far…
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Arlong has a surprisingly low share of the vote considering the things he did, imo.
Enel does as well.
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@HiroVoid:
Enel does as well.
Enel annihilated his entire island of Bilka. He's probably only second to the World Government bureaucrats and nobles. Thing is he is pretty much insane and thus you could argue he just needs some serious mental health intervention.
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Enel annihilated his entire island of Bilka. He's probably only second to the World Government bureaucrats and nobles. Thing is he is pretty much insane and thus you could argue he just needs some serious mental health intervention.
If you want to excuse people's actions by their mental health, you can do also do so by the environment they grew up in like the Tenryuubito.
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Would I be going to far if I say that Aka Inu embodies the moral and ethical conduct of the Japanese Imperial armed forces during and before WWII?
Akainu encouraging all the Marines to rush headlong and risk their lives certainly evokes the suicide charges rampant during WWII.
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The tenryuubito are just a bunch of greedy royals who have been raised to think they are superior. Perhaps the gorousei should be in the list as well because they are the one who protect the tenryuubito and implement the messed up policies of the wg. After thinking, the one thing that does strike me that tenryuubito may not be the most despicable is the fact they don't know any better. The tenryuubito were raised to feel superior, and their attitude towards others is childish at the same time cruel.
However the top WG brass (elder stars) do know better and thus may indicate they are even more despicable.
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The tenryuubito are just a bunch of greedy royals who have been raised to think they are superior. Perhaps the gorousei should be in the list as well because they are the one who protect the tenryuubito and implement the messed up policies of the wg. After thinking, the one thing that does strike me that tenryuubito may not be the most despicable is the fact they don't know any better. The tenryuubito were raised to feel superior, and their attitude towards others is childish at the same time cruel.
However the top WG brass (elder stars) do know better and thus may indicate they are even more despicable.
Basically this. The reason Charlos is so hated is because he had the despicability of Spandam combined with the annoyance of a spoiled child.
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The Celestial Dragons, while they are indeed despicable they really don't feel like villains.
They're more like the symptoms of a corrupt society. The only reason they act the way they do is because they know that not only will they get away with it, the Government will aid them in whatever the hell they feel like doing. They have marine admirals on their beck and call for crying out loud. -
@HiroVoid:
If you want to excuse people's actions by their mental health, you can do also do so by the environment they grew up in like the Tenryuubito.
I dislike how people think that insanity is no big deal and somehow easy to get over thanks to the movies. :/
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Honestly, who thinks about Ener being mentally deranged when he asks himself "which char do I hate the most" ?
And it's the same thing about Tenryuubitos or Pirates… They were raised that way ? They often do bad things ? Lol, so what ?
And if you ask me, that's worse than someone doing it for what he thinks will bring peace. Ener, Croc, Spandam, Wapol, Moria, even Blackbeard... All those took some satisfaction from doing what they did, and even did bad things for fun, laughing at the people they were tormenting. Which Akainu didn't. He's crazy, sick, insane, etc., but he does what he does to protect the people. But when he has orders, he follows them, and he never hesitates. He wouldn't do that if he wasn't allowed to. Sengoku, Kong, the Gorousei, all approved of his actions. And ordered some of them. So who's despicable now ? I think all the guys over the rank of Admiral must be far more disgusting than most of the things we saw so far. -
I dislike how people think that insanity is no big deal and somehow easy to get over thanks to the movies. :/
I think it's a big deal, but if that's the case, then the Tenryuubito shouldn't be up so high on the polls. Admittedly, insanity is a bigger deal than a bad upbringing since insane people need to undergo therapy and medicine and other such treatments. I was just pointing out that while it sucks, I'm not going to care if he's insane because I care more about the island of people he just killed. Like the Joker, I would've killed him a while back before he inevitably kills more people.
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Would I be going to far if I say that Aka Inu embodies the moral and ethical conduct of the Japanese Imperial armed forces during and before WWII?
If he starts being shown to be participating in WG imperialism sure.
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The Five elder stars should have been included in the list. It's because of them that people like Spandam/CP/Tenryuubito exist. Akainu is simply doing his duty even if he went to far at Ohara. His form of absolute justice is something which seems to be supported by the Five elder stars. Akainu might have joined the Navy hating pirates but someone in the Navy must have introduced him to the Absolute justice way of thinking. Just like any other workplace, how you do your job is influenced by who mentored you.
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Gotta go with Spandam.
The Tenryuubito might be the worst in the long run but.. Well… They don't seem to know how bad the things they do is... Spandam is stupid (and a neat sociopath) but he knows. (Besides he is probably one of the only OP characters who seems kinda two-dimensional unlike, say, Crocoboi). -
The Five elder stars should have been included in the list. It's because of them that people like Spandam/CP/Tenryuubito exist. Akainu is simply doing his duty even if he went to far at Ohara. His form of absolute justice is something which seems to be supported by the Five elder stars. Akainu might have joined the Navy hating pirates but someone in the Navy must have introduced him to the Absolute justice way of thinking. Just like any other workplace, how you do your job is influenced by who mentored you.
Oh that's cute, Akainu is a baby absolved of his own mind and moral compass.
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The Five elder stars should have been included in the list. It's because of them that people like Spandam/CP/Tenryuubito exist. Akainu is simply doing his duty even if he went to far at Ohara. His form of absolute justice is something which seems to be supported by the Five elder stars. Akainu might have joined the Navy hating pirates but someone in the Navy must have introduced him to the Absolute justice way of thinking. Just like any other workplace, how you do your job is influenced by who mentored you.
I hope that's not Akainu's back story. That'd be shitty.
He should've been a man with a sense of duty and the ends justify the means mentality, maybe a great lost due to pirates or criminals in general, deep hatred, and even a stronger sense of duty and justice after said event.
Basically, Alexander Anderson but with magma and a hat.
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@Zik:
Basically, Alexander Anderson but with magma and a hat.
So Akainu takes care of orphans when he's not killing pirates and/or Protestants?
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@Cyan:
So Akainu takes care of orphans when he's not killing pirates and/or Protestants?
I would actually really like that.
Because theirs no way in hell he's going to get the smooth criminal likability of an antagonist of somebody like Crocodile. -
Elder Star: Tell me, Admiral Sakazuki, what is it you love to do?
Akainu: Why, I love spreadin' the word and love of justice, preachin' peace an' security for all!
Elder Star: …and killing pirates in cruel and unusual ways?
Akainu: Oh just try and fuckin' stop me.
Elder Star: ...and civilians who step slightly out of line?
Akainu: Second verse, same as the first! Now put me on a boat so I can put 'em in hearse. -
@Cyan:
So Akainu takes care of orphans when he's not killing pirates and/or Protestants?
I can see it .
@WarshipArc:I would actually really like that.
Because theirs no way in hell he's going to get the smooth criminal likability of an antagonist of somebody like Crocodile.Even if he doesn't I like Akainu just the way he is.
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Akainu is great, don't get me wrong.
He's a wonderful villain.It's the dumb shitheads who try and pass him off as a totally understandable anti-hero who I hate.
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@Zik:
I hope that's not Akainu's back story. That'd be shitty.
Why ? I'm sure it's the back story of a lot of marines.
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Why ? I'm sure it's the back story of a lot of marines.
Even more of a reason why it'd be shitty.
You don't want an important villain/nemesis to have the same back story of fodder marines.
Furthermore, Akainu is bad because his absolute justice was introduced to him by the Gorousei is shitty. It's shitty because it makes Akainu look like any other mindless drone doing as told by superiors. A character like him needs to have some uniqueness to why he does thing he does that are different from other important characters and especially fodder marines.
So Akainu hating pirates, joins the marines, somebody in there introduces him to absolute justice summing up why he is the way he is is lame imo. Even if he was introduced to it and didn't come to that conclusion on his own he'd need a reason for why he follows and believes in it. Not some shit that just goes back to hey the Gorousei made it up, it's there fault.
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Akainu's backstory is one of the many backstories I really want to see in the future.
I'd love it even more if Akainu still had his pissed off, serious face as a child. -
I'm sure Akainu is just after his own version of One Piece…
that can be found on the isle of floating pirate corpses he leaves in his wake...
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@Zik:
Even more of a reason why it'd be shitty.
Who gives a damn ? It would only be logical, even if it's not the kind of crazily original thing that YOU would want. And hey, why would we know his back story? :getlost:
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I'm also curious to know why Akainu has such an intense hatred for pirates. His family was probably killed by pirates when he was a boy, then he joined the marines and quickly rose up the ranks by mercilessly killing one pirate after the other.
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@Mr.:
I'm also curious to know why Akainu has such an intense hatred for pirates. His family was probably killed by pirates when he was a boy, then he joined the marines and quickly rose up the ranks by mercilessly killing one pirate after the other.
I don't think its pirates that the man has grudge against pirates, so much as its outlaws in general. I say this because of his actions in Ohara, where (as far as the Government was concerned) they were dealing with terrorists rather than a group of murdering thieves.
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The second Sakazuki started purposely ignoring every other pirate during the war at Marineford in order to start gunning for Luffy and Ace exclusively he pretty much lost any kind of credibility people are trying to give him, no matter how flimsy it was to begin with.
Magmaman even said he didn't care how many others got away as long as those two were taken down.
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Guess Akainu is like Luffy in that way. In that he'll do whatever he feels like no matter the consequences.
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Yeah, there's always been little connections between Luffy and characters who end up being main antagonists.
Teach shares that same aspect as well; it's the differences they all have that separate them and shows us the ones who are amoral towards others or outright sadists.
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Its hard to say who's the most evil, since not a single one of these guys does horrible things just for the sake of being evil, or are a being of pure evil, they always have a goal.
So I'm just trying to imagine what would have happened if every villain actually managed to achieve his goal, and how bad and despicable the results would be.
Keeping that in mind, I think its a draw between Arlong and Crocodile. Both tried to somehow gain control over a large territory, for the same reason. I think Crocodile is your average merciless and sadistic villain. He always tried to end his fights as fast as possible, but the psychological torture he used on vivi pretty much showed that he is a cruel and heartless person deep down, while world domination was his goal.
Arlong on the other hand is pretty much your average racist. He tried to seize control over the whole east blue, trying to etablish some kind of fishmen supremacy. His opinion on humans is well known, but I wonder what he would have done If he actually managed to rule the world (human extermination camps?)
While being a racist is one of the worst things anybody can be, Arlong at least showed that he cared for his crewmates, something that Crocodile despises, seeing how he handled his subordinates (tried to kill Mr.3 and Nico Robin, the second one just for not hearing what he wanted to hear.)
So I would say Crocodile is the worst, but not by much. -
@Mr.:
I'm also curious to know why Akainu has such an intense hatred for pirates. His family was probably killed by pirates when he was a boy, then he joined the marines and quickly rose up the ranks by mercilessly killing one pirate after the other.
I'm going to be creative and guess, his father was a pirate, and wanted his son to grow up as a pirate to, but he did not see eye-to-eye. Then something like other pirates kill his father, or he kills his father because of the terrible stuff he does takes place.
I could go on, but it would be pure fanfic at that point… actually Ima just go ahead and write a cool lil story in a spoiler tag, now that I have the idea in my head
! Akainu's father is a pirate captain. He wanted Akainu to be a pirate. Akainu wanting to impress his father followed his ideals, until they ransacked and destroyed a village with innocent people, robbing and killing them. Akainu then couldin't agree with his fathers views, but did what his father requested, killing and robbing people. When he became strong enough, he killed his fathers crew, and took his father in for his bounty to the world government. When he brought him in he requested the position of a marine. They let him in despite his past, gave him the bounty gold and he used that to benifit himself in the marines, bribing some of the now dead vice admirals to get his positioned moved. He also took all the left over gold from the ransacked villages and used that for himself as well rather then paying it back to the villages who lost everything. Somewhere in between all that he ate his devil fruit.
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The whole family was killed by a pirate idea sounds like something outta Naruto.
Me I'd imagine that this sort of hardline draconian justice is just what he in his heart truly believes in and enjoys doling out.
Just like how Luffy is out on an adventure because it's fun and free, Akainu might be in it for the law enforcement and strict military discipline.
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The second Sakazuki started purposely ignoring every other pirate during the war at Marineford in order to start gunning for Luffy and Ace exclusively he pretty much lost any kind of credibility people are trying to give him, no matter how flimsy it was to begin with.
Magmaman even said he didn't care how many others got away as long as those two were taken down.
And thank god for that. Otherwise a group of pirates would've waltzed into Marineford, the heart of order and justice, and in front of the entire world taken back Ace and sailed off happily into the sunset.
No single Marine officer was shown doing more damage to Whitebeard or his crew than Akainu. And it's only because of him that the Marines can hold their head up despite the mass destruction that rocked their home because they know that they won and the rest of the world got to see that as well. People were cheering when they heard that WB was defeated and that the blood of the pirate king was finally ended. I mean we saw Ace blow through like 6 Baroque Works ships like it was no big deal, he's probably done that 100x over to Marine forces who were just doing their job, which is to protect people from pirates.
The fact that at least ONE person out of the entire army there was able to recognize the two main points that had to be made.
1. Ace had to die or the Marines would lose ALL credibility in their ability to protect and defend the world.
2. Luffy, the man responsible for successful assaults on two of the three legendary bastions of Marine justice, the son of Dragon, a 300,000,000 beli pirate, the man who punched (however deservingly) a Tenruyibito, the man who seems to have made more friends of the Shichibukia than enemies…has to DIEThat solidifies his credibility IMO. He's the only Marine we've seen aside from Smoker who seems to take his job seriously and recognized what it would mean to the rest of the world if Ace survived and what it would mean for the future if Luffy survived.
You can look at every action Akainu has taken that is seen as amoral and find a RL counterpart who committed the same actions and is considered by many today to be a hero. Equally there are probably many who see that person as a villain but that's how history works.
I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else with this, you obviously have your mind made up but i disagree with anyone who thinks akainu's actions are so black and white that he is the most despicable villain especially with people like Spandam and the Tenruyibito walking around. From the Marine perspective and the people who look up to and rely on them to keep them safe Akainu is a hero. From no ones perspective except their own could the actions of Spandam or the Tenruyibito be seen as admirable...
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@Cyan:
So Akainu takes care of orphans when he's not killing pirates and/or Protestants?
and taking care of bonsai trees.
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Akainu is a soulful man.
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Akainu has a soul full of dead men screaming for bloody revenge.
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And thank god for that. Otherwise a group of revolutionaries would've waltzed into Tripoli, the heart of order and justice, and in front of the entire world taken back Libya and sailed off happily into the sunset.
No single Libyan officer was shown doing more damage to Benghazi or it;s people than Gaddafi. And it's only because of him that the Libya can hold their head up despite the mass destruction that rocked their home because they know that they won and the rest of the world got to see that as well. People were cheering when they heard that Benghazi was defeated and that the blood of the uprising was finally ended. I mean we saw Benghazi blow through like 6 Libyan tanks like it was no big deal, he's probably done that 100x over to Libyan forces who were just doing their job, which is to protect people from revolutionaries.
The fact that at least ONE person out of the entire army there was able to recognize the two main points that had to be made.
1. Benghazi had to be bombed or the Libyans would lose ALL credibility in their ability to protect and defend the nation.
2. Benghazi, the city responsible for successful assaults on two of the three legendary bastions of Libyan justice.That solidifies his credibility IMO. He's the only statesman we've seen aside from Assad who seems to take his job seriously and recognized what it would mean to the rest of the world if the revolution survived and what it would mean for the future if Benghazi survived.
You can look at every action Gaddafi has taken that is seen as amoral and find a RL counterpart who committed the same actions and is considered by many today to be a hero. Equally there are probably many who see that person as a villain but that's how history works.
I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else with this, you obviously have your mind made up but i disagree with anyone who thinks Gaddafi's actions are so black and white that he is the most despicable villain especially with people like Khameini and the LRA walking around. From the Libyan perspective and the people who look up to and rely on them to keep them safe Gaddafi is a hero. From no ones perspective except their own could the actions of Khameini or the LRA be seen as admirable…
Hey, you, yes you, the huge fat pussy who has never in his life had to deal with actually living under an Akainu.
I can think of a few people on this forum who would love to hear your dissertation on ends justifying the means iron fists making people heroes.Maybe Bar Kum can get back to you on this after he's done cleaning up the pieces of rib cage and gore off the wall of his hospital office after the last anti-aircraft missile fired at it in the name of stability and national security.
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This isn't about the Navy as a whole or making statements on the world so your little rant pretty much falls flat.
Sakazuki the individual, which is what is being talked about, is all about seeing things in black and white; that's his entire problem. Magmaman isn't some sadist that takes joy in doing the things he did nor have I ever said as such. wolfwood covered it pretty well in his post though I personally don't think Sakazuki finds enjoyment in it, he just does what needs to be done and is willing to be that guy.
Stuff like bombing the refugee ship at Ohara, using Squad's hatred of Roger to instill doubt, playing on Ace's inability to just run away, making a faux-deal wit the Blackbeard Pirates: those were done simply as means to an end. Whatever orders Sakazuki may have been given, overall they've fallen in line with the kind of justice his superiors also have, and we know he sees orders as absolute considering that once Sengoku gave the order at Marineford to stop fighting magmaman didn't continue.
Fact of the matter is: Sakazuki is not a good person; things like his tenure in the Navy or what the public takes from his actions are irrelevant. Try again.
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Over 2000 dead, possible even scores more, serious wanton destruction, and general terror everywhere.
ALL IN THE NAME OF SHOWING LIBYA'S STRONG GUYS
@THE:
Akainu is a soulful man.
One day at Akainu's orphanage (Warm Love Orphanage), two orphans were fighting over something.
When Mr. Akainu was reprimanding them, he did not use his fists. He did not use a switch. He did not starve them. He simply told them these words of wisdom:
"Fightin' an' killin' should be reserved only for pirates and other scum like them."
Just then, a random bandit sneaked up behind Akainu and tried to stab him with a sword. Akainu turned around and fisted him through the chest, vaporizing his internal organs and causing him to die in insufferable agony.
"Like that."
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The people who try to rationalize the actions of a blatant sociopath like Akainu confuse and frighten me.
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@S.C.:
The people who try to rationalize the actions of a blatant sociopath like Akainu confuse and frighten me.
As long as I believe I'm right and serving the justice I can do anything…
This is exactly how dictators, terrorists, savage police, and every kind of scumbag on earth can explain his actions.
Heck I'm sure gestapo was only "serving" justice and "protecting" their own country. They were not evil at all... All hail gestapo...
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@JERK:
Hey, you, yes you, the huge fat pussy who has never in his life had to deal with actually living under an Akainu.
I can think of a few people on this forum who would love to hear your dissertation on ends justifying the means iron fists making people heroes.Maybe Bar Kum can get back to you on this after he's done cleaning up the pieces of rib cage and gore off the wall of his hospital office after the last anti-aircraft missile fired at it in the name of stability and national security.
Who is living under Akainu now? He's not the center of a Dictatorship. As far as i know all the current nations of the WG agreed to join together and form the WG. That makes it sort of a confederation. We've even seen their leaders come together to have seemingly democratic meetings. So i'm not really sure who Bar Kum is (you showed me) or where he enters into this.
Akainu is a military officer charged with protecting the interest and the people of this confederation. He's not even the bottom line guy, he takes orders from higher ups. None of whom seemed to have any qualms with the way he was acting during the war, probably because he inspired the troops and kept them going. You know, when they were fighting pirates who were trying to save their criminal friend from execution and in the process mowing down tons of naval troops (go them!). None of the people of this confederacy seemed to have any problem with Whitebeard being defeated either. So who is he about to carry off and rip to pieces. Oh yeah, pirates. Pirates and people who purposely threaten to undermine the foundations of the Confederation. The Confederation they all agreed to be in. Obviously theres some issue with a void history and blahblahblah but theres not a single first world nation that hasn't in the past or even currently tried to wipe dirty secrets under the rug…somehow things keep moving and we keep enjoying our freedoms etc...
It's easy being you here isn't it. String together some adjectives, slap in a unfamiliar reference and bam...classic Zephos...instant sigworthy gold...
but you didn't really say anything now did you...
@Bad:
As long as I believe I'm right and serving the justice I can do anything…
This is exactly how dictators, terrorists, savage police, several US presidents, and every kind of scumbag on earth can explain his actions.
Heck I'm sure gestapo was only "serving" justice and "protecting" their own country. They were not evil at all... All hail gestapo...
just added one group you left out. I'm sure you didn't mean to as you were glossing over your selective view of world history. What was it Doflamingo said. Whoever wins, the winner will be justice. That goes both ways you know…
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Who is living under Akainu now? He's not the center of a Dictatorship. As far as i know all the current nations of the WG agreed to join together and form the WG. That makes it sort of a confederation. We've even seen their leaders come together to have seemingly democratic meetings. So i'm not really sure who Bar Kum is (you showed me) or where he enters into this.
This is a joke, I stopped reading here. You seem to have a very convenient memory to have forgotten that we have also seen a country of slaves gathered from countries who refused to join the WG. A confederation of countries that willingly banded together, in order to avoid the enslavement and slaughter of their people.
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Who is living under Akainu now? He's not the center of a Dictatorship. As far as i know all the current nations of the WG agreed to join together and form the WG. That makes it sort of a confederation. We've even seen their leaders come together to have seemingly democratic meetings. So i'm not really sure who Bar Kum is (you showed me) or where he enters into this.
Akainu is a military officer charged with protecting the interest and the people of this confederation. He's not even the bottom line guy, he takes orders from higher ups. None of whom seemed to have any qualms with the way he was acting during the war, probably because he inspired the troops and kept them going. You know, when they were fighting pirates who were trying to save their criminal friend from execution and in the process mowing down tons of naval troops (go them!). None of the people of this confederacy seemed to have any problem with Whitebeard being defeated either. So who is he about to carry off and rip to pieces. Oh yeah, pirates. Pirates and people who purposely threaten to undermine the foundations of the Confederation. The Confederation they all agreed to be in. Obviously theres some issue with a void history and blahblahblah but theres not a single first world nation that hasn't in the past or even currently tried to wipe dirty secrets under the rug…somehow things keep moving and we keep enjoying our freedoms etc...
It's easy being you here isn't it. String together some adjectives, slap in a unfamiliar reference and bam...classic Zephos...instant sigworthy gold...
but you didn't really say anything now did you...
just added one group you left out. I'm sure you didn't mean to as you were glossing over your selective view of world history. What was it Doflamingo said. Whoever wins, the winner will be justice. That goes both ways you know...
Bar Kum is a citizen of Libya who's currently fighting against the dictator that's been trying to bomb, kill, massacre, and destroy his own people.
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Whatever orders Sakazuki may have been given, overall they've fallen in line with the kind of justice his superiors also have, and we know he sees orders as absolute considering that once Sengoku gave the order at Marineford to stop fighting magmaman didn't continue.
Didn't Sengoku order all Marines to fall back and deal with Whitebeard, though?
Obviously theres some issue with a void history and blahblahblah but theres not a single first world nation that hasn't in the past or even currently tried to wipe dirty secrets under the rug…somehow things keep moving and we keep enjoying our freedoms etc...
I think you're really understating this point. Because of Akainu and the government, innocent people needlessly died just so the government could "wipe dirty secrets under the rug". Those people don't get to enjoy any more freedoms.
And depending on what happened in the blank century, the government may not deserve the right to make judgement calls like that.
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This is a joke, I stopped reading here. You seem to have a very convenient memory to have forgotten that we have also seen a country of slaves gathered from countries who refused to join the WG. A confederation of countries that willingly banded together, in order to avoid the enslavement and slaughter of their people.
Criminals+slaves from unallied countries. Again nothing ground breaking here. Almost every empire including the US was built on slave labor and is still run by some menial labor force normally not from that country. So they're building Guantanamo Bridge. It's not like it had Akainu's seal of approval on the blue prints (though he probably would approve) and it still doesn't detract from the fact that we know the WG is made up a nations who joined together and that they seem to work together when making decisions and share common enemies like Dragon. Even nice people like Vivi's dad.
Also you have no way of knowing nor is it implied anywhere that the nations that make up the WG were coerced into doing it for fear of slavery and slaughter.
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@Sir:
Didn't Sengoku order all Marines to fall back and deal with Whitebeard, though?
I don't think so, what part are you referring to? Would you mind linking to it?