Wait, THAT is the stab you were referring to? That looks painful as hell, to me.
sure, but as i said before an hour after that there was nothing left of this "painfull stabbing" other than that water-luffy joke..
Chapter 572 "The Times They Are A-Changin'" Discussion
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does anyone else think maybe Teach's current motives are somehow bigger than just ending Whitebeard's era. It looks to me like Whitebeard'll go down before Blackbeard would arrive at Marineford. Super masssive speculation, but maybe Blackbeard's after something crazy in the holy lands (killing the 5 elders? ancient weapon? ) and now with there being only the ruins of battle in his way, he can.
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does anyone else think maybe Teach's current motives are somehow bigger than just ending Whitebeard's era. It looks to me like Whitebeard'll go down before Blackbeard would arrive at Marineford. Super masssive speculation, but maybe Blackbeard's after something crazy in the holy lands (killing the 5 elders? ancient weapon? ) and now with there being only the ruins of battle in his way, he can.
Blackbeard's ultimate motive is to become PK, and ending Whitebeard's era is a huge step towards his goal… because it opens up a gap to penetrate in the New World. I think Blackbeard has predicted that Whitebeard will die in this war... because he knows WB is old and requires medical attention. He's past his peak.
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@$abZ:
Blackbeard's ultimate motive is to become PK, and ending Whitebeard's era is a huge step towards his goal… because it opens up a gap to penetrate in the New World. I think Blackbeard has predicted that Whitebeard will die in this war... because he knows WB is old and requires medical attention. He's past his peak.
uh nobody would think otherwise dude.
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I don't see what killing the 5 elders would do for Blackbeard's goal… bit boring really.
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Didn't Lucchi say that Luffy could only use Gear 2 because his blood vessels and his heart were made of rubber, too? Because of that he does not die using Gear 2.
Can't recall that one, but it was something similar. I'm not really doubting that he is a full rubberman inside and out, but it would be kind of creepy (thus fun) imagining that he stretches his whole body into e.g. a Gumo Gumo No Fusen and his slimy organ core stays in the centre, surrounded only by filthy smelly body air, unchanged by any form change or starts wiggling around in that huge almost empty vessel…
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@$abZ:
I don't see what killing the 5 elders would do for Blackbeard's goal… bit boring really.
I don't know either. That's why its in brackets.
but they are the the guys who decide what happens in the world. Something big would happen no doubt.
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i kno i said id never post here again but i got a question and everyone heres a expert so here it go's. can luffy stretch his organs on the inside and move them (like a pancake effect so to speak moving every vital into say his neecap to have his organs avoid major dmg?) i dunno if it mentions this in the manga anywhere but if anyone knows anything about this id like you to get back to me ty =)
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Some of the people here EXPECT Oda to think like them, eat like them, sleep like them and ponder the world like them.
Luckily, Oda DOES NOT think like them, eat like them, sleep like them or view the world just like them.
If not, we would be calling the author of One Piece "Arlong Park forum members" and Oda is just their slave or shadow author.
That said, Whitebeard death has to happen though, however, I think Oda will figure out a way to make the turning point of the story that does not include Whitebeard dying. And we will not be seeing some people in the forum anymore as they always hope Oda will kill someone for them in a manga that does not belong to them!
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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does anyone else think maybe Teach's current motives are somehow bigger than just ending Whitebeard's era. It looks to me like Whitebeard'll go down before Blackbeard would arrive at Marineford. Super masssive speculation, but maybe Blackbeard's after something crazy in the holy lands (killing the 5 elders? ancient weapon? ) and now with there being only the ruins of battle in his way, he can.
Not necessarily. It's possible Newgate's power has the disadvantege of beeing too strong which means he has to hold back in order to not hurt his allies. So if his sons are all left he could be far more reckless especially if he considers to go down at Marineford. Meaning he alone could give Marineford quite some hell before he goes down. Could be a very good opportunity for Teach to strike.
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@$abZ:
Blackbeard's ultimate motive is to become PK, and ending Whitebeard's era is a huge step towards his goal… because it opens up a gap to penetrate in the New World. I think Blackbeard has predicted that Whitebeard will die in this war... because he knows WB is old and requires medical attention. He's past his peak.
I think people are making too much of a planner out of BlackBeard. While he has shown long term goals like getting the darkness fruit or becoming a shichibukai to get something from Impel Down, he often leaves the specifics to chance. He initially planned to get Luffy's head to become a 7bukai, and that would have never caused a war like this, so he probably doesn't care what happens with WB now that he has what he wanted from him. And he didn't prepare any plan to deal with Magellan, he just went in and got poisoned like a stupid.
Also, I doubt he needs a reason to attack any place, just the loot would be motivation enough for him, like when he ransacked Drum Island.
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Some of the people here EXPECT Oda to think like them, eat like them, sleep like them and ponder the world like them.
Luckily, Oda DOES NOT think like them, eat like them, sleep like them or view the world just like them.
If not, we would be calling the author of One Piece "Arlong Park forum members" and Oda is just their slave or shadow author.
That said, Whitebeard death has to happen though, however, I think Oda will figure out a way to make the turning point of the story that does not include Whitebeard dying. And we will not be seeing some people in the forum anymore as they always hope Oda will kill someone for them in a manga that does not belong to them!
It's almost as if it's attempting to communicate.
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I think people are making too much of a planner out of BlackBeard. While he has shown long term goals like getting the darkness fruit or becoming a shichibukai to get something from Impel Down, he often leaves the specifics to chance. He initially planned to get Luffy's head to become a 7bukai, and that would have never caused a war like this, so he probably doesn't care what happens with WB now that he has what he wanted from him. And he didn't prepare any plan to deal with Magellan, he just went in and got poisoned like a stupid.
Also, I doubt he needs a reason to attack any place, just the loot would be motivation enough for him, like when he ransacked Drum Island.
I agree entirely. Blackbeard is devious, but his plans seems to be just broad strokes: find the Darkness Fruit, become Shichibukai, invade Impel Down… the rest he just leaves to chance.
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you`re such a horrible person greg
to BB:
i think is goal should be clear…reaching the top!
means being PK is what hes aiming for and planning since a long time. with the WAR finally the time is chancing in which the strong will succeed and gain the control. (we can assume like jinbei said, that WB was in many ways someone who brought peace to the world of OP and without him a lot of chaos will come to this world) so far BB is most likely gathering a strong crew around him. what hes doing now in detail is rly up in the air cause he sure has planned out his whole way to the top, but when it`s necessary he sure is able to chance his actions! -
Not necessarily. It's possible Newgate's power has the disadvantege of beeing too strong which means he has to hold back in order to not hurt his allies. So if his sons are all left he could be far more reckless especially if he considers to go down at Marineford. Meaning he alone could give Marineford quite some hell before he goes down. Could be a very good opportunity for Teach to strike.
as cool as it would be to see Blackbeard be the one to end his former captain and become the one who slaughtered the strongest man in the world, I think Sengoku, admirals and high ranked marines should do it so that they can look competent. They've been failing everything theyve attempted so far. Kizaru couldn't capture the strawhats, they couldnt keep the prisoners out of marineford, Sengoku couldn't stop Luffy rescuing Ace now everyones gonna escape on a ship. Let's at least think of them able to take down a dying old man without Blackbeard coming to save the day.
Blackbeard's aim may be higher than just what we all thought. With all the marines wiped out or exhausted from the war he started, nobody will be able to stop him from whatever motive he might have.
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as cool as it would be to see Blackbeard be the one to end his former captain and become the one who slaughtered the strongest man in the world, I think Sengoku, admirals and high ranked marines should do it so that they can look competent. They've been failing everything theyve attempted so far. Kizaru couldn't capture the strawhats, they couldnt keep the prisoners out of marineford, Sengoku couldn't stop Luffy rescuing Ace now everyones gonna escape on a ship. Let's at least think of them able to take down a dying old man without Blackbeard coming to save the day.
Sengoku said it himself, the only thing that will matter in the end will be the word "Victory". With the broadcast cut off now the propaganda machinery can easily twist the facts around to fit the Marine's liking.
The thing is though that Teach said he would show the ultimate show to shake the world. But question is if he expects the entire world to be witness to it OR will it just be a big show that only the live audience will be able to witness?
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That said, Whitebeard death has to happen though, however, I think Oda will figure out a way to make the turning point of the story that does not include Whitebeard dying. And we will not be seeing some people in the forum anymore as they always hope Oda will kill someone for them in a manga that does not belong to them!
Fail troll is failure.
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Something I think some people are missing about the way Oda handle the war. Either it would ahve been the way it was,
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A series of skirmishes where no one really got hurt
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A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and is left lying on the ground bloody yet survives the entire war despite having no way to defend themselves against further attacks.
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A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and dies on screen. (Mind you that mean that any or all of your favorites could be killed by someone you really dislike, Ie. Moria killing Crocodile.)
Which one of these would piss you off the most?
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@Yonkou#3:
Which one of these would piss you off the most?
1). And it IS pissing me off.
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@Yonkou#3:
Something I think some people are missing about the way Oda handle the war. Either it would ahve been the way it was,
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A series of skirmishes where no one really got hurt
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A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and is left lying on the ground bloody yet survives the entire war despite having no way to defend themselves against further attacks.
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A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and dies on screen. (Mind you that mean that any or all of your favorites could be killed by someone you really dislike, Ie. Moria killing Crocodile.)
Which one of these would piss you off the most?
i would say the best way in my eyes would have been a mix out of 2 and 3…
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Ok that's two, what about the other millions of fans? Why about the people who name there accounts kuma or Ace? You think they wouldn't be MORE pissed than you if their fav dies by some shitty attack? Trust me they outnumber you.
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@Yonkou#3:
- A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and dies on screen. (Mind you that mean that any or all of your favorites could be killed by someone you really dislike, Ie. Moria killing Crocodile.)
Which one of these would piss you off the most?
That would be great!
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s likely that the chara i choosed for my nick ,will sure be defeated sooner or later.. do you think when oda handles this in a good manner i would be pissed? its a fucking WAR! and i think some charas has to go down there..when no chara(i mean here the big shots[7 shichi and 3 admirals..also WB]) goes down than why this WAR! should be so freaking epic?? i mean nobody had to go all out or was near death.,..normally a WAR has this so in it…also some big shots could have been defeated by other big shots in a cool all-out fight and could have reappeared later in the story...look at croc..he also was defeated,was near death and still has a comeback.
don`t see here a problem why some fanboys should whine cause their chara did go down in a WAR! and was a essentiall part why this WAR was than freaking epic! -
If my fave characters dies, I will shed a tear… and get the fuck over it.
Problem is, some people won't.
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@Yonkou#3:
Something I think some people are missing about the way Oda handle the war. Either it would ahve been the way it was,
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A series of skirmishes where no one really got hurt
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A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and is left lying on the ground bloody yet survives the entire war despite having no way to defend themselves against further attacks.
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A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and dies on screen. (Mind you that mean that any or all of your favorites could be killed by someone you really dislike, Ie. Moria killing Crocodile.)
Which one of these would piss you off the most?
Obviously #1, but you make quite a leap going from 2 to 3. It's not because characters can die, that the popular and most well-known character have to be offed. Especially ones that can still play a role in the future (ie Crocodile). There are plenty of NW captains and division commanders who can die.
And to add to this discussion, even if Oda doesn't want to explicitly kill off anyone, there are still obvious ways he can make the war feel more real. Have people actually go down, and I don't mean like Oars who just wakes up 5 min later, or Marco who casually strolls off after being supposedly defeated, but down for the count and not getting up anymore in the war. Imagine Mihawk having taken out Vista, Doflamingo same with division commander 14, and while Luffy was running up to Ace, Aokiji and Akainu could have been engaged in combat and taken down a few NW commanders instead of just standing around with their dicks in their hands.
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@Yonkou#3:
Something I think some people are missing about the way Oda handle the war. Either it would ahve been the way it was,
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A series of skirmishes where no one really got hurt
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A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and is left lying on the ground bloody yet survives the entire war despite having no way to defend themselves against further attacks.
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A series of one vs. one fights where one character definitvely loses and dies on screen. (Mind you that mean that any or all of your favorites could be killed by someone you really dislike, Ie. Moria killing Crocodile.)
Which one of these would piss you off the most?
You forgot another option:
- A series of skirmishes where a few people do really get hurt
2 and 3 piss me off the most. We see these in every other manga and they are boring, especially in the context of war. We have seen this in one piece, with the whole CP9 thing and I am sure we will see more in the future (the inevitable Strawhats Vs BB pirates).
4 would be ideal for this war, IMHO.
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You forgot another option:
- A series of skirmishes where a few people do really get hurt
2 and 3 piss me off the most. We see these in every other manga and they are boring, especially in the context of war. We have seen this in one piece, with the whole CP9 thing and I am sure we will see more in the future (the inevitable Strawhats Vs BB pirates).
4 would be ideal for this war, IMHO.
And 4 is exactly what is happening in this war. Remember those zombies Moria created? WB getting pwned by Akainu and Squado? Marco getting shot twice? Joz getting frozen over? Luffy owned by VA's and Mihawk? Coby getting one shotted? Buggy frozen over? Commader's attacking and damaging marines? Things I obviously forgot to list here?
People are just so into the: ''We want to see a high end character die more!'' that they tend to forgot people ARE fighting and people ARE dying.
It's a bloody war, how in the world would there even be a one-on-one fight without people interferring?!
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I can't wait to see WB's death. It's been foreshadowed since..what, when whoever mentioned how fishman Island was protected by Whitebeard? That right there said "WHITEBERD GUN DYE".
Whitebeard's death has been foreshadowed since his initial appearance in chapter 234(volume 25).
If Whitebeard somehow lived after all of this I think just about everyone would be upset. I'm looking forward to seeing Oda do an emotional death (not Merry) in the present time. It will probably end up being a double shot of sadness since we'll likely be getting his flashback at the same time. I imagine it will be just like the Oars Jr./Ace flashback. It will still be enough to make me break down into full on man tears without doing a chapter spanning super flashback. It is going to be sadness², and I personally cannot wait.
There isn't another Manga author that I've seen that can convey that much emotion in just a few panels. It is a staggering ability.
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This may sound odd, but I'm disappointed in Oda's portrayal of Mr.3 and his abilities. After all he managed to beat Dory and Brogi, yet he remains utterly powerless to take on Sengoku in his giant form.
Why is that?
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Not enough time to plan a trap I guess. Mr.3 had to set up traps for Dory and Brogy, like the exploding drink, making them fight each other then take them out when they least expect it. He likes to play safe, Imo, him getting into one of the executioner's outfit was part of his plan to avoid detection and plan of escape.
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Im not sure if id want to see more main characters dying but it may have added to the war. I remember on sky island where pretty much every single person horribly maimed all got up and were ok at the end and that annoyed me cause it was ridiculous but at least there werent too many main characters horribly injured in this war meaning it didnt seem that bad but maybe there should have been. Im pretty defensive about one piece cause I love it so much so I dont worry too much about it
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Not enough time to plan a trap I guess. Mr.3 had to set up traps for Dory and Brogy, like the exploding drink, making them fight each other then take them out when they least expect it. He likes to play safe, Imo, him getting into one of the executioner's outfit was part of his plan to avoid detection and plan of escape.
That explanation just doesn't cut the mustard for me. Candle lock would have sufficed.
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The thought of fighting a marine fleet admiral may be overwhelming enough to make him reconsider all options to fight. His nature is looming on cowardice right? Why risk being exposed and get caught again. He was traumatized enough on ID already. Weighing all the odds, he would have a higher chance escaping from sengoku than fighting with him.
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That explanation just doesn't cut the mustard for me. Candle lock would have sufficed.
Either Dorry or Broggy alone could have crushed Mr. 3 like a bug. Don't forget their individual bounties were 100 million. But they were manipulated, trapped and caught completely off-guard. With that said Sengoku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dorry and Broggy combined. What were you expecting him to do against him?:/
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@Thousand:
Either Dorry or Broggy alone could have crushed Mr. 3 like a bug. Don't forget their individual bounties were 100 million. But they were manipulated, trapped and caught completely off-guard. With that said Sengoku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dorry and Broggy combined. What were you expecting him to do against him?:/
No matter how you look at it he single-handedly almost beat everyone at little garden.
To say he didn't have a chance throughout the whole time he was undercover on the stage is absurd.
Plus we still haven't seen his candle champion for some reason.
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Maybe Oda will follow the escaping party and eventually they'll meet up with a survivor from the war who will explain, in a flashback, what happened after they left. That way Whitebeard could die and it would still be in a flashback
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No matter how you look at it he single-handedly almost beat everyone at little garden.
He didn't beat anyone. At least not anyone in terms of battle. He used nothing but cunning and deceit to get everyone off-guard and then capture them. When he finally had a straight up battle against someone (Luffy), he got pulverized and it was only due to the help of his assistant that he wasn't finished off right there and then. That's the way Mr. 3 fights. There's nothing wrong with it, it's very interesting but he's not freakin' super man. Mr. 4 a.k.a. retarded slow guy was stronger than him.
To say he didn't have a chance throughout the whole time he was undercover on the stage is absurd.
Sengoku>=Admiral level. Mr. 3 is…Mr. 3. The guy who was easily beaten along with Buggy by Hannyabal who Luffy obliterated. Do you really not the power difference we're talking about here? Again, what were you expecting him to do?
Plus we still haven't seen his candle champion for some reason.
Sengoku would eat it for breakfast.
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@Thousand:
He didn't beat anyone. At least not anyone in terms of battle. He used nothing but cunning and deceit to get everyone off-guard and then capture them.
Isn't that the same technique used by several famous villains seen so far?
A strategic fighter is still a fighter.
When he finally had a straight up battle against someone (Luffy), he got pulverized and it was only due to the help of his assistant that he wasn't finished off right there and then. That's the way Mr. 3 fights.
It still doesn't remove that fact that he defeated the others and came close to beating Luffy.
Don't make me litter this post with photographic evidence.
Sengoku>=Admiral level. Mr. 3 is…Mr. 3. The guy who was easily beaten along with Buggy by Hannyabal who Luffy obliterated. Do you really not the power difference we're talking about here? Again, what were you expecting him to do?
Mr.3 was in a heated level, how can you expect him to fight at even a 10th of his ability?
I'm not suggesting he's stronger then them both, just that he is being portrayed as fodder.
Sengoku would eat it for breakfast.
And when did I make this match-up?
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Isn't that the same technique used by several famous villains seen so far?
A strategic fighter is still a fighter.
What he did at little Garden besides with Luffy wasn't fighting.
It still doesn't remove that fact that he defeated the other and came close to beating Luffy.
If you think sneaky ambushes count as beating in a fight. I hope you're not suggesting that he's currently at Luffy's level though. That would be reeeallly stupid.
Don't make me litter this post with photographic evidence.Mr.3 was in a heated level, how can you expect him to fight at even a 10th of his ability?
I'm not suggesting he's stronger then them both, just that he is being portrayed as fodder.
You know, it's really irrelevant how strong Mr. 3 exactly is. The point is that he's far, far, far weaker than Sengoku and complaining that he wasn't stupid enough to launch a pointless attack that would have just blown his cover instead of waiting for the right moment is dumb.
And when did I make this match-up?
You're bitching about why he didn't do anything to Sengoku.I assumed you were lamenting his lack of use of it against him.
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@Thousand:
What he did at little Garden besides with Luffy wasn't fighting.
Yeah, single-handedly beating a variety of opponents using his DF abilities doesn't count as fighting.
If you think sneaky ambushes count as beating in a fight. I hope you're not suggesting that he's currently at Luffy's level though. That would be reeeallly stupid.
Your constant misinterpretation of my posts leads me to believe you have suffered some kind of serious head trauma recently.
You know, it's really irrelevant how strong Mr. 3 exactly is. The point is that he's far, far, far weaker than Sengoku and complaining that he wasn't stupid enough to launch a pointless attack that would have just blown his cover instead of waiting for the right moment is dumb.
You underestimate his potential, and how well he could have been used not just the past 3 chapters, but ever since his reintroduction in Impel Down.
You're bitching about why he didn't do anything to Sengoku.I assumed you were lamenting his lack of use of it against him.
The fact is he's done nothing but open Ace's cuffs, which is poor usage of a character that has great potential, yet has done practically nothing the last 50 chapters. If that's all Oda has in store for him then it would have been better to have had him die back in Impel Down during the escape.
No constant twisting of words, just answer that question. Do you object to Oda using him and his abilities poorly or not?
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Yeah, single-handedly beating a variety of opponents using his DF abilities doesn't count as fighting.
Performing an act which is the equivalent of digging a hole for an unsuspecting person is not a fight.
Your constant misinterpretation of my posts leads me to believe you have suffered some kind of serious head trauma recently.
I'm sorry but it was just this line that really threw me.
It still doesn't remove that fact that he defeated the other and came close to beating Luffy.
implying that he could still do so now.
You underestimate his potential, and how well he could have been used not just the past 3 chapters, but ever since his reintroduction in Impel Down.
But we're not discussing what he could have done in this war, we were discussing what he could have done against Sengoku. Quit deviating from the point.
The fact is he's done nothing but open Ace's cuffs,
Because Ace isn't the most important thing in this war.
which is poor usage of a character that has great potential, yet has done practically nothing the last 50 chapters. If that's all Oda has in store for him then it would have been better to have had him die back in Impel Down during the escape.
No constant twisting of words, just answer that question. Do you object to Oda using him and his abilities poorly or not?
I'm not interested in your Mr. 3 lamentations. I want to know what you think he should have done on that scaffold.You claim he could have done something to delay Sengoku yet you have yet to suggest a single thing he could have done against Sengoku and I've asked you three times now.
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Sengoku said it himself, the only thing that will matter in the end will be the word "Victory". With the broadcast cut off now the propaganda machinery can easily twist the facts around to fit the Marine's liking.
The thing is though that Teach said he would show the ultimate show to shake the world. But question is if he expects the entire world to be witness to it OR will it just be a big show that only the live audience will be able to witness?
i mean that the marines have to give a little something to us, the readers. Blackbeard needs to go a step further since he's so obviously being built up as a final villain.
What needs to not happen is the marines and shichibukai using up all their energy to defeat the already weakened Whitebeard but not quite managing it, but then Blackbeard swooping in to deal the final blow. Although if he's moves off to try something bigger right after, theres a different story
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I agree with SMUDGE. It seems ever since Mr. 3 failed his mission and Croc fed him to the crocs all he's been doing is using his DF to make keys and free ppl. Granted ID is no place to regain your courage/confidence but he was somewhat of a badass and formidable foe in Little Garden.
Now Oda's downplayed him to a comedic character in the ranks of Buggy and the like.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I agree with SMUDGE. It seems ever since Mr. 3 failed his and Croc fed him to the crocs all he's been doing is using his DF to make keys and free ppl. Granted ID is no place to regain your courage/confidence but he was somewhat of a badass and formidable foe in Little Garden.
Now Oda's downplayed him to a comedic character in the ranks of Buggy and the like.
i think beside WB and those big shots at the WAR he naturally looks like a stupid "can`t do a thing"-guy..
what would you say when mr.3 would have used his candle lock and so stopped sengoku from attacking..
"yeah, as if mr.3 some under rookie ex-barouq work agent could do ANYTHING at trhis WAR!"Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
Island: Elbaf/Raftel/GodValley
Unresolved: Weevil´s plan/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
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@Don:
i think beside WB and those big shots at the WAR he naturally looks like a stupid "can`t do a thing"-guy..
what would you say when mr.3 would have used his candle lock and so stopped sengoku from attacking..
"yeah, as if mr.3 some under rookie ex-barouq work agent could do ANYTHING at trhis WAR!"I think it's more about Oda having his characters attempt to make a difference and how big it actually is.
I don't think he stands a chance against Sengoku but it would've been cool to seem him try something crazy to help prevent Ace's death. Just making keys undermines his ability at the least and it's BEEN expected ever since he did it the first time.
Basically at this point ppl think Mr. 3 and they think of a door needing to be unlocked or some shit but w/e maybe he'll get some confidence and show some signs of the old big ego 3 when he joins Buggy's crew and notices he isn't one of the weakest around.
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Mr. 3 has been pretty fair in use of his abilities. He's been consistent since Little Garden. It's been repeated already, but Mr. 3 excels when he has planning and resources on his side, but as Luffy showed when he gets in a hand to hand fight…pretty much one hit and he's out. So yeah, keep in mind a guy like Luffy can floor this guy easily, and to layer on that point I remind everyone that Luffy nearly knocked out Mr. 3 when he punched through his defensive wall.
Since then he's faced Crocodile...in which the result should have been obvious. Instant death, with only enough time to make a key. Though admittedly his thorough beating by Sanji was a surprise, but it makes sense when you think about it. Unlike Luffy, Sanji is so focused,merciless, and efficient that frankly...if he were at the main fight of Little Garden then the arc would have been over in a few chapters.
I'd go on but I think everyone remembers Impel Down, but I don't see why everyone is surprised. Mr. 3 is a skilled agent, and clever planner, but not a hand-to-hand combatant. He's been in no position to use fullest abilities, and frankly has done great considering how easily he could have been knocked out of this war. He did sneak past all these skilled fighters until he reached the platform, what's cooler then that? THAT is a crucial example of his real abilities, to expect him to fight is like expecting an act of super strength from Perona.
Also, I'm surprised this character is so loved. It's heartwarming that a murdering, cold-blooded coward with no respect for other peoples beliefs can get so much love.
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@zik
i get what you want to point out but still..cant fully agree i think when someone is able to produce keys..than he should do it..its like luffy shouldn`t use his gum-gum fruit..cause he did it ever since the beginning.(kay not the best example but whtaever)also he did something which i rly liked…sneaking on the platform showed his old ego, cause he used his brain how he could help ace and for that he made a plan.
that he isnt know fully posing could also be cause he is scared to be right now at a (i have to say lame) WAR!!...also he just escaped ID which he thought would sure be his end...he knows how cruel the OP world is and so now free again its naturally that he doesn`t flip of every dude which he knows could kill him in seconds.Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
Island: Elbaf/Raftel/GodValley
Unresolved: Weevil´s plan/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
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@Don:
@zik
i get what you want to point out but still..cant fully agree i think when someone is able to produce keys..than he should do it..its like luffy shouldn`t use his gum-gum fruit..cause he did it ever since the beginning.(kay not the best example but whtaever)also he did something which i rly liked…sneaking on the platform showed his old ego, cause he used his brain how he could help ace and for that he made a plan.
that he isnt know fully posing could also be cause he is scared to be right now at a (i have to say lame) WAR!!...also he just escaped ID which he thought would sure be his end...he knows how cruel the OP world is and so now free again its naturally that he doesn`t flip of every dude which he knows could kill him in seconds.I'm not saying he shouldn't make keys when their needed. I'm saying regulating characters to one task based off their ability or skill when we know they can do more than that isn't a good thing.
Think if Ace only used his fire to cook food and be a torch at night.
The whole sneaking on the platform is due to Mr. 2's previous actions. Just causality.
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You kinda knew what potential Mr. 3 truly had when he was soloed off panel by Sanji with a note left on his body for Croc: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v20/c175/17.html
So let's not pretend that his becoming comic relief is a new thing, he was never played up to be super powerful just really cunning with a versatile df.
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I wonder if they are going to fishmen island or back to shanbaody
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