so yeah if X-wing is travelling 1000x faster than speed of light then I guess it should have energy needed to blow some pesky planet into space dust.
You drill a little hole into a planet. Magma will close the gap and nothing will happen.
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Though in Star war films they keep mentioning moving into 'Light speed' but I don't know if its just term of Hyperspace travel or do they literally move in LIGHT SPEED… what is awfully slow in galactic scale...
As you said, moving at light speed itself would be too slow. I've always just interpreted it as 'someone says traveling at light speed' means 'traveling faster than light' means 'traveling through hyperspace'. Considering the how fast characters travel between planets in the films, I can't think of any other way to handle this. Just look at the Force Awakens, where they travel between Jakku, Takodana, D'Qar, and Starkiller Base in a time frame of a few days to a week.
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! Sooo did Rose died or not? I kind of write her off as dead after the kiss or is there a scene I missed?
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The fan-hate lobbied towards the movie is going WAAAY too far….
wow…just wow...talk about acidic.
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! Yeah, I thought she died too at first. But no, she's alive. Just unconscious.
Oooo. Then I had that to my list of complaint.
! That random love interest was random and BS. And threw away an interesting sacrifice for their BS.
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Finally saw this thing and…absolutely loved it and made me feel like a kid again that's watching Star Wars for the first time
but...oh god
! They seemed to take a lot of risks for this one and most were…kinda odd? Like, reading some of the spoilers from above after watching the movie and yeah...I kinda agree with all the stuff about Snoke. Sure you can leave Palpatine's history as a mystery for a STAND ALONE trilogy where he only serves as a sort of archetype "big baddie", but now that this is a huge established universe with connections here and there with the prequel (1-3) and now a sequel (7-9), I feel you simply CANNOT leave Snoke's background as a mystery. Where the hell did this guy come from? Where was he during the original trilogy? Where was he during the prequel? Guuh...do we need a Star Wars 6.5?
! Also...Captain Brienne Phasma was...and STILL is a remarkable waste of a character. I feel they PROBABLY should have kept her for Movie 9 and MAYBE use her as a way to wrap up whatever character arc they have saved for Finn. Seriously, what was accomplished by killing her off? There was no real resolution or any development from her death by Finn. So...now we are left with a grumpy kid and a punching bag for the First Order in terms of our villains. So...shrug?Tumblr: https://www.tumblr.com/blog/pomeranianhero
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Finally saw this thing and…absolutely loved it and made me feel like a kid again that's watching Star Wars for the first time
but...oh god
! They seemed to take a lot of risks for this one and most were…kinda odd? Like, reading some of the spoilers from above after watching the movie and yeah...I kinda agree with all the stuff about Snoke. Sure you can leave Palpatine's history as a mystery for a STAND ALONE trilogy where he only serves as a sort of archetype "big baddie", but now that this is a huge established universe with connections here and there with the prequel (1-3) and now a sequel (7-9), I feel you simply CANNOT leave Snoke's background as a mystery. Where the hell did this guy come from? Where was he during the original trilogy? Where was he during the prequel? Guuh...do we need a Star Wars 6.5?
! Also...Captain Brienne Phasma was...and STILL is a remarkable waste of a character. I feel they PROBABLY should have kept her for Movie 9 and MAYBE use her as a way to wrap up whatever character arc they have saved for Finn. Seriously, what was accomplished by killing her off? There was no real resolution or any development from her death by Finn. So...now we are left with a grumpy kid and a punching bag for the First Order in terms of our villains. So...shrug?Animated series are a thing now. Too many people seem to be forgetting it. Animation staff needs to be kept busy. This time they'll be busy tying up loose ends.
As for the criticism. You can not like a movie for valid reasons. It has its shortcomings. But you don't need to be a retarded dumb ass about it. I don't like the expression, but some people really do need to get a life.
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Maybe everyone already knew this, but apparently the porgs were a result of Luke's island being covered in Puffins, and it being too hard to take them all out.
http://www.starwars.com/news/designing-star-wars-the-last-jedi-part-1-how-porgs-were-hatched
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I'm still angry. So why only over 4276347 endings?! And why do they force me to have "The" "of the" in the title?!
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Maybe everyone already knew this, but apparently the porgs were a result of Luke's island being covered in Puffins, and it being too hard to take them all out.
http://www.starwars.com/news/designing-star-wars-the-last-jedi-part-1-how-porgs-were-hatched
That's interesting. But is digitally remodeling all of them really that much easier than digitally removing them?
Guess extermination was not an option? :ninja:
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That's interesting. But is digitally remodeling all of them really that much easier than digitally removing them?
Because if there are dozens or hundreds of them moving in any given shot in the background, removing them and having a clean background becomes difficult and time consuming very fast and can lead to weird ripple effects. Pasting a new head on top of them and using their existing movement is cleaner.
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! does Luke really suck a milk from a monster or has /tv/ been messing with me?
they hated the movie - no surprise - but I'll probably see it soon.
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! does Luke really suck a milk from a monster or has /tv/ been messing with me?
they hated the movie - no surprise - but I'll probably see it soon.
! He does, but it's not milk. :ninja:
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! does Luke really suck a milk from a monster or has /tv/ been messing with me?
they hated the movie - no surprise - but I'll probably see it soon.
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! does Luke really suck a milk from a monster or has /tv/ been messing with me?
they hated the movie - no surprise - but I'll probably see it soon.
! No, that's an exaggerated version of what happened. The way you say it there it makes me picture Luke literally sucking the teat of a monster.
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As for the criticism. You can not like a movie for valid reasons. It has its shortcomings. But you don't need to be a retarded dumb ass about it. I don't like the expression, but some people really do need to get a life.
Woah, where did this hostile reaction come from? This was simply my immediate reaction after seeing the movie so…why so hostile?
Like I already expressed, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but these two major issues really stuck out to me as a considerable issue for the movie as a package (or heck as a set of self contained movies).
So yeah...why is it I express a sort of immediate gut reaction to the movie and get dubbed as a "retard" for it?
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Woah, where did this hostile reaction come from? This was simply my immediate reaction after seeing the movie so…why so hostile?
Like I already expressed, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but these two major issues really stuck out to me as a considerable issue for the movie as a package (or heck as a set of self contained movies).
So yeah...why is it I express a sort of immediate gut reaction to the movie and get dubbed as a "retard" for it?
(PS: what are we? In the 90s when it comes to such terminology? And…get a life? Seriously, I only made ONE post in this thread about it. It's not like I'm going around parading my opinions on the matter on all throughout the forum)That wasn't a reply to you. I was addressing the stuff from couple posts above, racists attacks against Rose actor and stuff.
Yeah, in retrospect, should have made it clearer… :ninja:
Sorry for making you feel offended like that. No hard feelings. ^^
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As for the criticism. You can not like a movie for valid reasons. It has its shortcomings. But you don't need to be a retarded dumb ass about it. I don't like the expression, but some people really do need to get a life.
Meh people get to be passionate about things they want.Some will love it with passion some wil lhate it with passion. Some will beindiferent some will just enjoy it. Doesn't mean the person doesn't have a life.
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! The plot is unbelievable and stupid, even for Star Wars standards. But I constantly see people complaining about non issues like, Leia using the force, milk drinking or pink hair…
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I can't wait to see someone defending this plotline
! The defense I keep hearing is that it was all so they could learn about failure, but I can imagine so many ways that it could be implemented without being so frustrating to think about. Can't they fail without it seeming like a waste of time? Han, Leia, and Luke all technically failed in Empire, but not a second seemed squandered and they were all in interesting places, literally, and from a character standpoint.
! Han's demons had come to roost after he grew a moral leg and he was frozen. Luke had to face his past, also literally and figuratively, learning about his father through the trials he'd face to become more like him and a confrontation with the man who killed him. Leia's love for Han is actually an escape from everything she's been giving to the rebellion. I'd wager the love she led to him helped her in the connection to Luke and the Force itself. Chewie, well. He doesn't really change. Either way, all of the main characters are taken care of and everything works so well. This… isn't so good. -
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! Whether you like this movie or not, every fan should be concerned about the lack of a plan from Disney. Disney has the marvel universe planned out to 2028 but with star wars it's a ship lost at sea. Seriously, with all their unlimited resources and talent available, they can't come up with a story arc for 3 star wars films?
! The slow speed chase was ridiculous, the humor too guardians of the galaxy, and story had serious issues and gaps in logic but two things that every long time fan should hate are:
! The character assassination of Luke Skywalker. Mark Hamill was right when he said he "fundamentally disagrees with everything about Luke in this script." And nobody knows the character better than him.
! Luke was someone who so strongly believed that even the Dark Lord of the Sith, Vader himself, had good in him and could be turned back to the light side that he bet his life on it. Yet now this movie is telling us that he is so scared by some dark side thoughts in his nephew that he is tempted to murder him in his sleep? Come on! That is the furthest you can get from who Luke is.
! They have basically reset the star wars universe back to before A New Hope. The Empire/First Order runs the galaxy again. That means that EVERYTHING Luke, Han, Leia and the other Rebels did, all their sacrifices and victories MEANT NOTHING. They are all back to square one. I guess Disney wants to re stage the Empire/Rebel conflict again. So much for a bold new direction right?
! And that is one of my biggest gripes with the movie. They ( and many fans actually commend disney for taking some kinda risk apparently) talk big about burning everything down and letting the past go but they fail to actually do that. So many ideas and scenes in this film are lifted from the original trilogy. So how can you be asking the audience to forget about the past and at the same time putting that same past up on the screen? And an inferior version of it too.
! You can still forge a new direction for Star Wars and also respect the past at the same time. This movie did not do that. I would love to see a Star Wars film that didn't copy plot points and scenes from previous star wars films but so far Disney have not given that to us.
! You know what also doesn't make sense? This movie takes place right after The Force Awakens, we see that because they continue with Rey meeting Luke. So how did the FO take over the galaxy so quickly. It just makes no sense that the Galactic republic would only have a few ships? This whole situation just feels so contrived and unrealistic. In the first six movies you knew how the Empire and Rebels came to be and it made sense.
! Oh and last thing - those bombers!! LOL! How do these bombers work since there is no gravity in space? How are they carpet bombing in space?? The bombs should just float away. Ywings are much faster and seem much more practical to use.To support Viz and SHUEISHAs MANGA Plus service hosting all Jump manga for FREE, WORLDWIDE and day of release, Arlong Park will now support the official release.
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! Oh and last thing - those bombers!! LOL! How do these bombers work since there is no gravity in space? How are they carpet bombing in space?? The bombs should just float away. Ywings are much faster and seem much more practical to use.
The device pushes them out rather than just drop them. They keep moving with the provided momentum.
And what Luke did was 100% in character for him. He slipped and gave in to his impulses all the time in the original trilogy.
Sure, he had faith to try and redeem Vader, but even in that final confrontation, he was constantly giving into hatred and fear. He tried to be passive and and only defend himself, but he also got angry and tried to first murder the defenseless emporer, and then later tried to kill Vader.If Vader hadn't been saying "Dark side" constantly and the Emporer hadn't been there literally egging him on and constantly reminding him that he was trying to trick him to the dark side … and had actually just been subtle about it, Luke absolutely would have gone dark in Jedi. Go to the 4 minute mark in that video where Vader is taunting about Leia. Luke absolutely flips out, gives into the dark side, starts fighting wildly, and tries to murder him, despite having been trying to be complete pacifist refusing to fight just a moment earlier. Just a little verbal taunt from Vader was all it took for him to flip out.
Luke beats Vader, cuts off his hand, and is totally ready to kill him and then the Emporer starts laughing, which makes Luke double take and breaks him out of it again. makes Luke look at his robot hand and go "Oh crap, I was giving into the dark side there!". If old Palpatine had just let him give into his rage? Then Luke would have been lost. (And also Vader would be dead and the emporer would kill him with force lightning a few minutes later.)
Similarly, in Empire Luke cut off his Jedi training to rush off and help his friends. That was his berserk button.
! So Luke becoming afraid or angry for a whopping two seconds and thinking about cutting an evil off at the source before it becomes the next Vader is perfectly fine. It's absolutely in character for him to get angry and go over the top when facing what he knows to evil. And then after a moment of thought, he thought better of it and pulled back, just like he always does. But it was too late by that point. If Kylo had just been asleep, it probably would have never slipped again with Luke… but Kylo still would have gone dark eventually, triggered by something else and killed the other students and Luke would have blamed himself all the same.
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Little things are attracted to bigger things. This is pretty much of gravity works.
So, it actually makes sense that bombs are attracted toward a huge-ass spaceship. And yeah, the device also pushes them I guess.
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! What Luke did was 100% in character. I think what would make people swallow it a lot more is if we saw more of either Luke's tenuous relationship with Ben during the Jedi Temple training days (at least one argument or misdeed committed by Ben that Luke would witness) or Luke coming into contact with Snoke and knowing what he's capable of in seducing people with the Dark Side. But all we got was that flashback of Luke watching Ben sleep and both Luke and Han saying "Snoke got to him".
! If there was actual build-up leading up to Luke considering to kill Ben, then it would feel a lot more understandable. Sure, Luke tried to kill the Emperor. But… he's the goddamn Emperor. Yes, Luke tries to slaughter Vader relentlessly. After hearing Vader, the man who cut off his hand, blew up planets, and slaughter countless innocents, threaten to murder his sister in the middle of a fight where Luke has already been trying to hold back. So it's a little more than just a verbal taunt. Luke left his Dagobah training to help his friends who were currently in trouble. If he didn't go, for all we he knew, they would die.
! Compare all of those situations with Luke confronting his nephew. Who he's been presumably training for years. While he's sleeping, and thus both defenseless and not actively taunting or provoking Luke. Presumably without even witnessing Ben interact with Snoke, only being privy to Ben's thoughts afterwards as evidence of if he would turn.
! Luke considering to kill Ben is not completely invalidated since he's still seeing visions of Ben committing atrocious deeds or whatever his visions revealed. It's still a big issue, it's still something that would shock Luke and could provoke his emotions in the moment. But it would a lot more effective for the man who kept trying to redeem Vader despite his masters' protests and resist Palpatine get pushed to that point beforehand so the consideration of murdering his nephew in his sleep feels more understandable.
! And we could've gotten if the movie, you know, replaced anything expendable in the movie like either the pointless underwhelming Phasma fight or Finn wanting to sacrifice himself but getting rescued by Rose because last minute token romance/main character plot armor.
! The movie still works as it is, I can go along with Luke's moment of hesitation. But seeing one active push from a conscious person, not just a sleeping teenager/young adult, towards Luke could have gone a long way. Actually, we don't even have to see it. At least one quote that elaborates on Ben's past beyond "Snoke got to him" would do wonders.
! But the sequel trilogy seems really keen on not having anything about Snoke's rise to power revealed. For some reason.
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! What Luke did was 100% in character. I think what would make people swallow it a lot more is if we saw more of either Luke's tenuous relationship with Ben during the Jedi Temple training days (at least one argument or misdeed committed by Ben that Luke would witness) or Luke coming into contact with Snoke and knowing what he's capable of in seducing people with the Dark Side. But all we got was that flashback of Luke watching Ben sleep and both Luke and Han saying "Snoke got to him".
! If there was actual build-up leading up to Luke considering to kill Ben, then it would feel a lot more understandable. Sure, Luke tried to kill the Emperor. But… he's the goddamn Emperor. Yes, Luke tries to slaughter Vader relentlessly. After hearing Vader, the man who cut off his hand, blew up planets, and slaughter countless innocents, threaten to murder his sister in the middle of a fight where Luke has already been trying to hold back. So it's little more than just a verbal taunt. Luke left his Dagobah training to help his friends who were currently in trouble. If he didn't go, for all we he knew, they would die.
! Compare all of those situations with Luke confronting his nephew. Who he's been presumably training for years. While he's sleeping, and thus both defenseless and not actively taunting or provoking Luke. Presumably without even witnessing Ben interact with Snoke, only being privy to Ben's thoughts afterwards as evidence of if he would turn.
! Luke considering to kill Ben is not completely invalidated since he's still seeing visions of Ben committing atrocious deeds or whatever his visions revealed. It's still a big issue, it's still something that would shock Luke and could provoke his emotions in the moment. But it would a lot more effective for the man who kept trying to redeem Vader despite his masters' protests and resist Palpatine get pushed to that point so the consideration of murdering his nephew in his sleep feels more understandable.
! And we could've gotten if the movie, you know, replaced anything expendable in the movie like either the pointless underwhelming Phasma fight or Finn wanting to sacrifice himself but getting rescued by Rose. The movie still works as it is, I can go along with Luke's moment of hesitation. But seeing one active push from a conscious person, not just a sleeping teenager/young adult, towards Luke could have gone a long way. Actually, we don't even have to see it. At least one quote that elaborates on Ben's past beyond "Snoke got to him" would do wonders. But the sequel trilogy seems really keen on not having anything about Snoke's rise to power revealed. For some reason.! This would have been the perfect film to deal with the failings of the Jedi Order and how it's emotional strictness was as much the cause of Anakin's downfall, as Palpatine himself. I thought it'd be obvious that we'd get some of that when Yoda came and destroyed the books… but Rey has them and we're going to get the same Jedi order that fell to miasma. I feel Luke in both situations would be better if he understood his emotions instead of trying to constantly suppress them. That is why Jedi's fall time and time again.
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! What Luke did was 100% in character. I think what would make people swallow it a lot more is if we saw more of either Luke's tenuous relationship with Ben during the Jedi Temple training days (at least one argument or misdeed committed by Ben that Luke would witness) or Luke coming into contact with Snoke and knowing what he's capable of in seducing people with the Dark Side. But all we got was that flashback of Luke watching Ben sleep and both Luke and Han saying "Snoke got to him".
! If there was actual build-up leading up to Luke considering to kill Ben, then it would feel a lot more understandable. Sure, Luke tried to kill the Emperor. But… he's the goddamn Emperor. Yes, Luke tries to slaughter Vader relentlessly. After hearing Vader, the man who cut off his hand, blew up planets, and slaughter countless innocents, threaten to murder his sister in the middle of a fight where Luke has already been trying to hold back. So it's little more than just a verbal taunt. Luke left his Dagobah training to help his friends who were currently in trouble. If he didn't go, for all we he knew, they would die.
! Compare all of those situations with Luke confronting his nephew. Who he's been presumably training for years. While he's sleeping, and thus both defenseless and not actively taunting or provoking Luke. Presumably without even witnessing Ben interact with Snoke, only being privy to Ben's thoughts afterwards as evidence of if he would turn.
! Luke considering to kill Ben is not completely invalidated since he's still seeing visions of Ben committing atrocious deeds or whatever his visions revealed. It's still a big issue, it's still something that would shock Luke and could provoke his emotions in the moment. But it would a lot more effective for the man who kept trying to redeem Vader despite his masters' protests and resist Palpatine get pushed to that point beforehand so the consideration of murdering his nephew in his sleep feels more understandable.
! And we could've gotten if the movie, you know, replaced anything expendable in the movie like either the pointless underwhelming Phasma fight or Finn wanting to sacrifice himself but getting rescued by Rose because last minute token romance/main character plot armor.
! The movie still works as it is, I can go along with Luke's moment of hesitation. But seeing one active push from a conscious person, not just a sleeping teenager/young adult, towards Luke could have gone a long way. Actually, we don't even have to see it. At least one quote that elaborates on Ben's past beyond "Snoke got to him" would do wonders.
! But the sequel trilogy seems really keen on not having anything about Snoke's rise to power revealed. For some reason.Yeah, we're missing the context of what led to Luke's actions, which is why it seems off. The actual actions themselves fit at least a little bit.
Sadly, this is the sort of thing that's going to be endlessly fleshed out in spinoff novels and cartoons rather than in the movie proper.
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we're missing the context of what led to Luke's actions, which is why it seems off.
That's really one of the biggest issues I have with both films. In TFA we're missing the context of what led to Kylo's actions and now the same for Luke. Just having had that one scene back in TFA would have made Kylo Ren a way better written character as it gives some more substance to his conflicting feelings back then.
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Holdo: Yes.
ROLL CREDITS 30 minutes earlier and save us from one of the most useless filler plots that lead to nothing basically.! The Resistance operate under some form of a military hierarchy. So answering that question is up to Holdo as she outranks Poe. She doesn't tell him, which she could have several reasons for. One theoretical example could be that she was concerned that spreading the information might lead to it being broadcast on unsecured coms, leading to it being overhead by some unsavory element and then given to the First Order. And that the Theoretical Unsavory Element(TUE) might be played by Benicio Del Toro.
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! The Resistance operate under some form of a military hierarchy. So answering that question is up to Holdo as she outranks Poe. She doesn't tell him, which she could have several reasons for. One theoretical example could be that she was concerned that spreading the information might lead to it being broadcast on unsecured coms, leading to it being overhead by some unsavory element and then given to the First Order. And that the Theoretical Unsavory Element(TUE) might be played by Benicio Del Toro.
! One dropped line about a spy they caught someplace sometime on a resistance ship or a base would have done wonders in making it not seem contrived.
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Yeah, we're missing the context of what led to Luke's actions, which is why it seems off. The actual actions themselves fit at least a little bit.
Sadly, this is the sort of thing that's going to be endlessly fleshed out in spinoff novels and cartoons rather than in the movie proper.
It's a shame that, instead of expanding side characters and their stories, the side shows are now needed to explain the motivation of main characters.
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! One dropped line about a spy they caught someplace sometime on a resistance ship or a base would have done wonders in making it not seem contrived.
! That was just an example. She could have other reasons. Such as Poe being kinda of an ass and also, like, a hot minute ago disobeying orders.
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! That was just an example. She could have other reasons. Such as Poe being kinda of an ass and also, like, a hot minute ago disobeying orders.
I have a theory of my own by the way, it's "Holdo is best and everything with Holdo is best." I'm working on making it more succinct. :silly:! He disobeyed orders and attacked the Order. It's not like he would have betrayed the Resistance.
! Also, what's the point to hide this information after Poe found out they were about to evacuate the ship ? This is when she was supposed to say "oh shit, btw don't rebel lol, there is one of our bases in a nearby planet, we're heading there!! "
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! He disobeyed orders and attacked the Order. It's not like he would have betrayed the Resistance.
! Also, what's the point to hide this information after Poe found out they were about to evacuate the ship ? This is when she was supposed to say "oh shit, btw don't rebel lol, there is one of our bases in a nearby planet, we're heading there!! "
! Anyway, the fact that Benicio Del Toro was the only person that could warn them means that there was no spy whatsoever.! I'm saying that she might be disinclined to share information with an individual who don't obey orders. Instead of agreeing with her plan he could come up with some long shot plan doomed to fail, theoretically. There's a reason why every military force on our planet has a rank system. (I'm not 100% that 100% have ranks but close to it feels like a safe assumption.)
! The point is the same as before basically, but now with the added annoyance factor that he obtained the classified information and called her a traitor and whatnot. The information is still highly sensitive. If the First Order found out that they were heading for a nearby planet they could just hyper jump over there and wait for them.
! First of all, the argument about Benicio Del Toro being the only one that could warn them(betray them, you mean I'm assuming) is completely irrelevant as we only know that because we've watched the movie or perhaps they in hindsight. It's also wrong because it could be that there were spies in the rebel fleet who didn't get the information precisely because Holdo choose to… withholdo it. :silly:–- Update From New Post Merge ---
At the end of the day this sequel trilogy so far is a rehash of empire v rebels from decades ago. I certainly hope the new trilogy does something effing new in the movieverse.
I think you'll find that "empire vs rebels" is a story far older than something counted in decades.
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At the end of the day this sequel trilogy so far is a rehash of empire v rebels from decades ago. I certainly hope the new trilogy does something effing new in the movieverse.
Why should it? The hundreds of novels and comics only did that for the last 40 years.
And out of all those the Thrawn trilogy is basically the only thing anyone really cares about and that wasn't until 20 years in.
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! No, that's an exaggerated version of what happened. The way you say it there it makes me picture Luke literally sucking the teat of a monster.
! At one point he walks up to an alien cow-thing and he milks it, like in to a canteen. Then takes a drink of the canteen.lol, thanks for the clarification.
Also this is just me not paying better attention, but I thought Rogue One was part of the numbering, which is why I got confused when I saw "episode 9" thrown about. But I see that was more of a side film.
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! The way she communicated just was utter bullshit.
! Regarding Poe, there basically are two options: Tell him the plan or not. Obviously she chose the latter, but that does not excuse her from not properly communicating with him. She might tell him something else, but she has to make sure that he doesn't do anything stupid which might endanger the actual plan. (Which was exactly what happened then. :getlost: ) Like for example telling him some wrong information with the intent to expose a potential spy in case Poe talks it out - or even expose Poe himself as the spy which is perfectly valid for her to assume. The way it is now, Holdo just was a complete failure without any proper leadership capabilities at all.Oh, and thanks to Kaido who was the first to remind me that that person had an actual name!
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About Holdo:
! The way she communicated just was utter bullshit.
! Regarding Poe, there basically are two options: Tell him the plan or not. Obviously she chose the latter, but that does not excuse her from not properly communicating with him. She might tell him something else, but she has to make sure that he doesn't do anything stupid which might endanger the actual plan. (Which was exactly what happened then. :getlost: ) Like for example telling him some wrong information with the intent to expose a potential spy in case Poe talks it out - or even expose Poe himself as the spy which is perfectly valid for her to assume. The way it is now, Holdo just was a complete failure without any proper leadership capabilities at all.! Firstly, no it was not utter bullshit it was the best, as my theory states, "Holdo is best and everything with Holdo is best."
! And why would she need to make sure that he doesn't make anything stupid? What is he, a baby or something? In general, leaders should be able to assume that their underlings don't shit their own pants.
And lying to him? Might backfire. Accuse him of being a spy? I don't see any reasons as to why she would think that. And several why she wouldn't.
! A complete failure, hu? She's the single reason as to why there is any resistance at all left. Her plan would have worked perfectly if it weren't for the mutiny. And you'll notice that only a handful of people mutinied against her, all allies of Poe I'm assuming.
! …I'm think I'm gonna make "Holdo is best and everything with Holdo is best" my signature… That should be fine... Right? Not like spoilery or anything? :ermm:Holdo is best and everything about Holdo is best.
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! > if it weren't for the mutiny
! Who might have seen that coming? :getlost:That said, I don't see a real spoiler problem with that sig.
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! Who might have seen that coming? :getlost:
! Smart-ass backseat drivers all around the world?
I'm assuming Holdo also considered that risk, but thought it as lesser than the risk of the information leaking to Theoretical Unsavory Elements(TUE) and of lesser consequence. I'm also assuming that she did spread the information to some parties on a need to know basis. I assume so, because, once again, only a handful of people mutinied. -
! I am in the group that loves this movie, it's my second favorite Star Wars Movie. That being said, Holdo not telling Poe her plan is the biggest flaw in this entire movie. Yes, there are reasons you can rationalize why she wouldn't tell him, but the movie didn't do any real job of explaining WHY.
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! It's not a "Plothole" as some people are claiming it is because they misunderstand what a Plothole is. Plotholes are story issues that make no sense without a major retcon or massive new addition to the plot. Her not telling him makes sense if you rationalize it, but the fact that you have to rationalize it at all DOES mean the movie dropped the ball in explaining this to us.
! As far as Canto Bight being pointless. It does play to the theme of "Moving on from your failures" the movie has going, but that's not the only good thing it accomplishes. I would sit here and explain it but a guy has already done that in a Youtube video I shared a few pages back. So I'm just going toSwitch Friend Code: SW-1795-2519-1884 • Click Here to check out my Twitch Channel
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Easy solution.
! "Poe, I absolutely have a plan, it's the same one Leia had, but I'm still pissed at you for that stunt that got you demoted, and the attitude you're giving me now. Now stop asking questions."
The main problem is the movie needed everyone to pick up the idiot ball to work. And it's always awful when fiction does huge epic adventures based on a reeeeeeally stupid misunderstanding.
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Apparently none of the mysteries raised in TfA actually had resolutions planned for them, which explains quite a bit.
@MajinArekkusu:At the end of the day this sequel trilogy so far is a rehash of empire v rebels from decades ago. I certainly hope the new trilogy does something effing new in the movieverse.
! The hero is the child of nobodies, the dark emperor fell victim to a coup by his conflicted apprentice, said apprentice shows no signs of wanting to turn back to the light, the big clever plan to cripple the empire and fight another day is foiled, the big climactic duel isn't even a duel and is only a delaying tactic, and no one says "I have a bad feeling about this".
! The basic outline is old, it's the details that are new. The question is how well they'll handle the twists to the formula going forward. -
! I am in the group that loves this movie, it's my second favorite Star Wars Movie. That being said, Holdo not telling Poe her plan is the biggest flaw in this entire movie. Yes, there are reasons you can rationalize why she wouldn't tell him, but the movie didn't do any real job of explaining WHY.
! It's not a "Plothole" as some people are claiming it is because they misunderstand what a Plothole is. Plotholes are story issues that make no sense without a major retcon or massive new addition to the plot. Her not telling him makes sense if you rationalize it, but the fact that you have to rationalize it at all DOES mean the movie dropped the ball in explaining this to us.! What I wonder is if anyone have questioned why Poe didn't just tell Holdo about his plan? I know didn't until just now. His rational could easily be hers. I guess he was the one who outright said anything about it, something about how she probably wouldn't OK the mission so it was on a need-to-know basis. If I remember correctly.
More interestingly to me though is the role sexism plays in this. I think it clearly true that the actions of females are judged harsher then those of males, speaking generally. I believe that this carries over to a non trivial extent to the situation under debate.
! If I may ask you a question, for clarifications sake, do you agree with me that her decision was sound? Based only on what can be inferred from the movie? Because if you do, it isn't the movie who failed to explain her reasons but you who failed to understand them.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Easy solution.
! "Poe, I absolutely have a plan, it's the same one Leia had, but I'm still pissed at you for that stunt that got you demoted, and the attitude you're giving me now. Now stop asking questions."
! She did say that, basically. What was it she said… "Leia used to tell me that hope is like"...somethingsunnightsomething. I found her version more inspiring than yours. No offence to your writing abilities of course.
Holdo is best and everything about Holdo is best.
