some posts remind me of the Impeldown thread in this section :)
Chapter 546 "Fishman Pirate Captain, the Shichibukai Jinbei" Discussion
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The problem is that magellan knows what thew beasts guards do with the prisoners. He knows how sadi is. He also knows that prisoners are dying left and right. All the torture and killing is well known. So i don't know what he has against Shiryuu way of dealing with the prisoners.
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It said that eventually kills you through pain so yeah I'm sure it's fine (nice job leaving that out to better suit your argument).
You misunderstand. I left it out to avoid this exact confusion. Bon-chan was referring to the fact that you are in pain until you actually die within the prison, as in, you are executed. While nerve toxins can kill, it is quite clear that Magellan's usage of the Hydra is for capturing and neutralizing someone without threatening their life. Even were this not the case, if Luffy can live for ~24 hours with multiple deadly poisons, I would assume someone can survive a nerve toxin for long enough to get an antidote; not to mention Bon-chan's explanation says "until", suggesting a duration of time would have passed. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to reach the conclusion that the person who locked up Shiryuu for killing people is using a non-lethal (at least immediately lethal) attack on random prisoners (lvl 6), Luffy (at first), Blackbeard, Iva-chan, Inazuma, escapees, and staff that gets in the way. I could go on. Do I need to?
He also knows that prisoners are dying left and right. All the torture and killing is well known.
Who's dying left and right?
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The problem is that magellan knows what thew beasts guards do with the prisoners. He knows how sadi is. He also knows that prisoners are dying left and right. All the torture and killing is well known. So i don't know what he has against Shiryuu way of dealing with the prisoners.
Interesting point you brought up.
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@Zik:
I'm pretty sure I said let BB kill him. As of now he's already been beaten pretty good, if Luffy were to leave now he wouldn't be left at ID unharmed but he'd suffer from a crushing moral and morale defeat.
I'd love to see a scene where he watches Luffy & co. sail off in to the sea, his den den mushi starts to ring and it's Sengoku, he sees Hannybal showing up at the entrance and he just shoots himself in the head. Similar to the warden in Shawshank Redemption
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That would suck though. If BB gets up, unharmed from the poison they it's implied that Magellan is no match for him, and killing him would be obvious. It's the same thing as letting an admiral or shichibukai or dragon come in and kill Magellan. That is, it's a huge waste of time!
We've spent about three chapter in a row with Magellan killing big names and kicking ass. To have some super powerful character come along and beat Magellan would be a waste.
Luffy is the one to beat Magellan, simple as that. They're the ones in conflict with each other (the leader of the prison rebellion vs. the warden), they've both done terrible things to each other, and in traditional format Magellan's been built up as a rival that Luffy seemingly can't beat.
Again, there's no good reason for Luffy vs. Magellan not to happen, except for the people who want the untraditional route for no good reason. Meaning, no one has come up with a better alternative–having Luffy "escape" is too watered down an ending for Magellan's storyline. It's out of character for Magellan to just let things end there. And no, Magellan isn't worn out he just has a cut on his head. That's just a flesh wound in this series.
Oh and about morality and deserving to win, it seems to me that both side are about equal (which is still a first). Luffy deserves to save his brother, and Magellan has a right to defend his prison. But calling Impel Down is too simple isn't it? If this place was good it would rehabilitate it's weaker prisoners (lvl 1 at the very least) instead of torturing them. A prison that does nothing but tortures people has no purpose (except level 6). Tell me...do Buggy and Mr. 2 really deserve a lifetime to hellish torture?
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Who's dying left and right?
Prisoners are bleeding to death at level 1. At level 2 they're just eaten by the wild beasts. At level 3 the prisoners starve to death. At level 5 they are tortured + the extreme heat. At level 5 the cold… And the beasts guards running around like the butcher in diablo1.
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@Thousand:
Erm…he's the main character, dude.
And what does that have to do with anything? Main characters are inclined to realistic ass whoopins. Unless everyone wants the boring cliche Dues Ex Machina win.
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OMFG I just can't wait for Amazon Lily and Impel Down to be animated. Especially Impel Down.
Luffy is the one to beat Magellan, simple as that. They're the ones in conflict with each other (the leader of the prison rebellion vs. the warden), they've both done terrible things to each other, and in traditional format Magellan's been built up as a rival that Luffy seemingly can't beat.
Why do people refuse to acknowledge this?
And Blackbeard was taken by surprise. I doubt he's out for the count, he'll be recruiting in ID before Ace's planned execution.
Ah crap. Magellan is getting back up soon, the demon beast guards are making their way up. I hope Mr. 3 locks them in the elevator:getlost:
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And what does that have to do with anything? Main characters are inclined to realistic ass whoopins. Unless everyone wants the boring cliche Dues Ex Machina win.
Yeah I love it when Luffy gets a wake up call. Mainly because I think him rushing into things like he does is foolish and kinda annoying. I still love the guy though.
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And what does that have to do with anything? Main characters are inclined to realistic ass whoopins. Unless everyone wants the boring cliche Dues Ex Machina win.
Not when they hurt future arcs they don't. I really don't see the audience taking Luffy's conquest of Marineford seriously if he can't even beat Magellan. There are gonna be people there even stronger than Magellan and if Luffy is to even SURVIVE, he needs to beat him. Also it makes it look like a cheap escape. It's not like Enies Lobby where they beat all the named, built-up figures and were just trying to escape from battleships. If Luffy just runs away, it would just be awful especially after all that build-up. Also, who said anything about deus ex machina? You don't trust in Mr. Oda's writing skills?
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well in my book a guy who clearly knows his targets going to level 6 and he can face him again but still doesn't seem to give a shit about his underlings lives and attacks them anyways is bad, i mean when has a guy who killed someone violently and not given a shit become a good guy our are you implying you think Admiral Akainu is a good guy
both of them kill innocents for the sake of justice
O.O huh? level 6… luffy doesnt even know it exists not before Ivankov told him. anyways... lets just assume Magellan knows where luffy is heading... It is more the reason that Luffy must be stopped as soon as possible. Giving him the opportunity to arrive at his marked destination only increases the risks of more problems for ID as a whole. More problems... more fighting... more injuries.
Since you brought out Akainu... what would you do in his situation?
Killing someone violently without a shit is indeed evil...but in the case of Magellan and Akainu...THEY DO GIVE A SHIT, there is a reason behind their actions.
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@Thousand:
Not when they hurt future arcs they don't. I really don't see the audience taking Luffy's conquest of Marineford seriously if he can't even beat Magellan. There are gonna be people there even stronger than Magellan and if Luffy is to even SURVIVE, he needs to beat him. Also it makes it look like a cheap escape. It's not like Enies Lobby where they beat all the named, built-up figures and were just trying to escape from battleships. If Luffy just runs away, it would just be awful especially after all that build-up. Also, who said anything about deus ex machina? You don't trust in Mr. Oda's writing skills?
I like Oda Eiichiro's skills but he wrote the third fight with Luffy vs Crocodile as a DEM [Mostly all authors fall prey to this] and it doesn't mean that it can't happen again. I don't want Luffy to run away, but Luffy getting beat right now would not be surprising. He's learned nothing [Just screaming I'm gonna save so and so and punching the opponent isn't good enough anymore that was fine back in East Blue] and using a gimmick from Mr. 3 to beat Magellan would be weak.
And how would Luffy not beating Magellan hurt the future war coming up? Who is taking Luffy seriously when we all know as an audience he isn't strong enough to even stand in the war. This has been mentioned on Amazon island and even Ivankov has stated that he is nothing but an ain't. To be honest, we don't even know if Luffy is gonna even make it to the war at all. Luffy after this battle would undoubtably be fatigued and possibly use up all the adrenaline for this battle against Magellan. Luffy can't do anything even if he shows up.
As for the chapter Robin being picked up by the Revolutionaries seems like Kuma's and Dragon's plans are in efect. Kuma blasted Robin there knowing Dragon's people would pick her up and that's probably what he whispered to Silvers about. Maybe Silvers will meet the SH crew with their newley coated ship.
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I like Oda Eiichiro's skills but he wrote the third fight with Luffy vs Crocodile as a DEM [Mostly all authors fall prey to this] and it doesn't mean that it can't happen again. I don't want Luffy to run away, but Luffy getting beat right now would not be surprising. He's learned nothing [Just screaming I'm gonna save so and so and punching the opponent isn't good enough anymore that was fine back in East Blue] and using a gimmick from Mr. 3 to beat Magellan would be weak.
And how would Luffy not beating Magellan hurt the future war coming up? Who is taking Luffy seriously when we all know as an audience he isn't strong enough to even stand in the war. This has been mentioned on Amazon island and even Ivankov has stated that he is nothing but an ain't. To be honest, we don't even know if Luffy is gonna even make it to the war at all. Luffy after this battle would undoubtably be fatigued and possibly use up all the adrenaline for this battle against Magellan. Luffy can't do anything even if he shows up.
As for the chapter Robin being picked up by the Revolutionaries seems like Kuma's and Dragon's plans are in efect. Kuma blasted Robin there knowing Dragon's people would pick her up and that's probably what he whispered to Silvers about. Maybe Silvers will meet the SH crew with their newley coated ship.
Clearly you're one of those people that Greg loathes. The type of people who can't tell their ass from a Deus ex Machina. If having incredible will power and the ability to push yourself past your limits even to the point of death is Deus ex machina, then I'm…no seriously, I can't get over how stupid that sounds.
Luffy running away would not only be surprising, it'd be damn unsatisfying considering all that build-up. This isn't Hunterx Hunter where the impossible really is impossible, this is One Piece where sheer will power and incredible writing skills gives us fantastic and believable victories.
Now after reading the second paragraph of your post, I see what your problem is. You fail to realize Luffy is the main character. This manga is about following HIS exploits, the World Government, Marines, Yonkou etc are just a battle stage and a way to showcase what a big world the protagonist is living in. Now that aside, I've already explained why Luffy just running away will hurt the Marineford arc, heck I did that last post so I know I need not repeat myself. The fact that Elder Nyon and Iva-chan said how it was impossible is just a plot device to make Luffy's conquest seem more impressive and incredible, not to be taken seriously. These are standard writing techniques. Heck, a couple of chapters back Luffy just beat a batch of poisons in 20 hours when he should have taken 2 days if he managed to survive at all. The man is clearly exceptional not some nobody. He's the wild card, the unpredictable factor, the monkey (pun unintended) in the wrench that has the potential to completely tip the scales between the two equal forces. That's what is being set up. However in order for this to be believable, for Luffy to be able to go and survive in a clash between behemoths, the least he has to do is beat Magellan. Doing so should be guaranteed to give him new power and strength (during the process) and actually give him a chance of having an effect on the war. I mean it's so obvious that Magellan is the opponent to make Luffy grow given how he's stronger than Luffy has ever faced so far sans Admirals and possibly Kuma (maybe I'm missing someone here and there) yet by not THAT much. In his first fight, he managed to hold his own for a bit and get a couple of hits in. If one were to gauge their overall strength, you could say Luffy is a level or two below Magellan. And it's surpassing Magellan, defeating hell (a parallel analogy set up from the start) and going to the sunshine and out to sea to accomplish his goal that will definitely give the readers a feeling of hope and that this man can really make miracles and make the impossible possible.
Also dispel the laughable notion that Luffy isn't going to Marineford, apart from the fact that Iva-chan's hormones are guaranteed to keep him up for a full day (as stated in the manga), him not going would have made the entire arc and all this build-up pointless. He lost 10 years of his life to save Ace, are you telling me to expect that it wasn't worth it, his efforts were all in vain and he could have just stayed home and nothing would have changed? Come on. HONESTLY.
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That would suck though. If BB gets up, unharmed from the poison they it's implied that Magellan is no match for him, and killing him would be obvious. It's the same thing as letting an admiral or shichibukai or dragon come in and kill Magellan. That is, it's a huge waste of time!
We've spent about three chapter in a row with Magellan killing big names and kicking ass. To have some super powerful character come along and beat Magellan would be a waste.
Luffy is the one to beat Magellan, simple as that. They're the ones in conflict with each other (the leader of the prison rebellion vs. the warden), they've both done terrible things to each other, and in traditional format Magellan's been built up as a rival that Luffy seemingly can't beat.
Again, there's no good reason for Luffy vs. Magellan not to happen, except for the people who want the untraditional route for no good reason. Meaning, no one has come up with a better alternative–having Luffy "escape" is too watered down an ending for Magellan's storyline. It's out of character for Magellan to just let things end there. And no, Magellan isn't worn out he just has a cut on his head. That's just a flesh wound in this series.
Oh and about morality and deserving to win, it seems to me that both side are about equal (which is still a first). Luffy deserves to save his brother, and Magellan has a right to defend his prison. But calling Impel Down is too simple isn't it? If this place was good it would rehabilitate it's weaker prisoners (lvl 1 at the very least) instead of torturing them. A prison that does nothing but tortures people has no purpose (except level 6). Tell me...do Buggy and Mr. 2 really deserve a lifetime to hellish torture?
Sounds like nothing but opinion and I disagree, as I said before. At this point, I'd prefer this nontraditional route since to me for the past several chaps everybody stressed to Luffy the exact route of not bothering to defeat Magellan and getting to the real goal. The warnings from Iva, the time limit, urgency of the current situation, the fact that in this past chap Luffy seemed level headed enough in agreeing with what Jinbei told him about just stalling, etc. Plus this nontraditional route isn't foreign to the manga at all.
I don't see multiple chaps being wasted on Luffy vs. Magellan and cuz of that I don't see Luffy defeating Magellan quickly, which would suck imo. I've stated other options but the best one I think is a group effort stalling until Jinbei and Croc return with the ship and then getting the fuck out of there in some intense or comical way.
I mean given how quickly Jinbei and Croc got the ship, I'd say in the 2-3 chaps they're all on their way to Marineford. If Magellan is defeated it's not gonna just be Luffy imo. Might see a combo with ID prisoners similar to how Oz was defeated. Like I said before I don't see this growth talk with Luffy defeating Magellan either
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@Zik:
Sounds like nothing but opinion and I disagree, as I said before. At this point, I'd prefer this nontraditional route since to me for the past several chaps everybody stressed to Luffy the exact route of not bothering to defeat Magellan and getting to the real goal. The warnings from Iva, the time limit, urgency of the current situation, the fact that in this past chap Luffy seemed level headed enough in agreeing with what Jinbei told him about just stalling, etc. Plus this nontraditional route isn't foreign to the manga at all.
I don't see multiple chaps being wasted on Luffy vs. Magellan and cuz of that I don't see Luffy defeating Magellan quickly, which would suck imo. I've stated other options but the best one I think is a group effort stalling until Jinbei and Croc return with the ship and then getting the fuck out of there in some intense or comical way.
I mean given how quickly Jinbei and Croc got the ship, I'd say in the 2-3 chaps they're all on their way to Marineford. If Magellan is defeated it's not gonna just be Luffy imo. Might see a combo with ID prisoners similar to how Oz was defeated. Like I said before I don't see this growth talk with Luffy defeating Magellan either
He'll get a substantial power up that will allow him to hurt him without touching him because nothing Luffy has in his arsenal can beat him otherwise.
Hence, growth. Power ups count as growing.
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@Zik:
Might see a combo with ID prisoners similar to how Oz was defeated.
As opposed to the current situation where Luffy is running on hormones provided by Ivankov and using armor crafted by Mr. 3 while the latter also runs interference by cancelling out Hydra with his Walls?
It's not a combo in the traditional sense, but he's clearly not attacking by himself either.
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@Thousand:
He'll get a substantial power up that will allow him to hurt him without touching him because nothing Luffy has in his arsenal can beat him otherwise.
Hence, growth. Power ups count as growing.
And exactly what is that technique? How is he going to hurt him w/o touching him? Do you know something about this manga I don't?
That's not growth, that's hax attack. Hurting ppl w/o touching them? Is Luffy Professor X?
Does the wax armor and guard not suffice for a way to hurt him w/o directly touching him?
@Ubiq:As opposed to the current situation where Luffy is running on hormones provided by Ivankov and using armor crafted by Mr. 3 while the latter also runs interference by cancelling out Hydra with his Walls?
It's not a combo in the traditional sense, but he's clearly not attacking by himself either.
Exactly he's already gotten significant help so that even if Magellan is defeated it wouldn't be Luffy's win alone. I don't see any type of growth when the tools he's using to fight and how he even got there wasn't on his own.
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@Thousand:
Clearly you're one of those people that Greg loathes. The type of people who can't tell their ass from a Deus ex Machina. If having incredible will power and the ability to push yourself past your limits even to the point of death is Deus ex machina, then I'm…no seriously, I can't get over how stupid that sounds.
Luffy running away would not only be surprising, it'd be damn unsatisfying considering all that build-up. This isn't Hunterx Hunter where the impossible really is impossible, this is One Piece where sheer will power and incredible writing skills gives us fantastic and believable victories.
A common form of Asspull, a DEM is an outside force that solves a seemingly unsolvable problem in an extremely unlikely [and, usually, anticlimactic way]. Where did Luffy get his power from against Crocodile? Even Crocodile asked this and there was no explanation for it? To tell you the truth Crocodile didn't even utilize all of his techniques, it's like he forgot about them.
And no one said anything about Luffy running away.
Now after reading the second paragraph of your post, I see what your problem is. You fail to realize Luffy is the main character. This manga is about following HIS exploits, the World Government, Marines, Yonkou etc are just a battle stage and a way to showcase what a big world the protagonist is living in. Now that aside, I've already explained why Luffy just running away will hurt the Marineford arc, heck I did that last post so I know I need not repeat myself. The fact that Elder Nyon and Iva-chan said how it was impossible is just a plot device to make Luffy's conquest seem more impressive and incredible, not to be taken seriously. These are standard writing techniques. Heck, a couple of chapters back Luffy just beat a batch of poisons in 20 hours when he should have taken 2 days if he managed to survive at all. The man is clearly exceptional not some nobody. He's the wild card, the unpredictable factor, the monkey (pun unintended) in the wrench that has the potential to completely tip the scales between the two equal forces. That's what is being set up. However in order for this to be believable, for Luffy to be able to go and survive in a clash between behemoths, the least he has to do is beat Magellan. Doing so should be guaranteed to give him new power and strength (during the process) and actually give him a chance of having an effect on the war. I mean it's so obvious that Magellan is the opponent to make Luffy grow given how he's stronger than Luffy has ever faced so far sans Admirals and possibly Kuma (maybe I'm missing someone here and there) yet by not THAT much. In his first fight, he managed to hold his own for a bit and get a couple of hits in. If one were to gauge their overall strength, you could say Luffy is a level or two below Magellan. And it's surpassing Magellan, defeating hell (a parallel analogy set up from the start) and going to the sunshine and out to sea to accomplish his goal that will definitely give the readers a feeling of hope and that this man can really make miracles and make the impossible possible.
No offense but this sounds like a Luffy fan rant. You keep saying how Luffy is the main character as your basis of argument. Well let me tell you about your main character, he has had his ass pwned by Magelllan and he has had his ass pwned in Sabondy arc by people lower than Admirals and Shichibukai in Sentamaru and a Pacifista [WITH HELP]. And you say don't take Ivankov and the Amazon statement about Luffy being an ain't compared to the heavy hitters seriously? I truly beleive you are going against the story and only wishing what you want your Luffy to accomplish. You just saying Luffy making it happen and not being realistic at the same time is not good enough. And please don't act as if Oda won't use side characters t oovershadow Luffy cause he did it in this chapter. So if you don't see Luffy in this war or he is overshadowed don't be surprised. Cause Main character don't mean only character.
Also dispel the laughable notion that Luffy isn't going to Marineford, apart from the fact that Iva-chan's hormones are guaranteed to keep him up for a full day (as stated in the manga), him not going would have made the entire arc and all this build-up pointless. He lost 10 years of his life to save Ace, are you telling me to expect that it wasn't worth it, his efforts were all in vain and he could have just stayed home and nothing would have changed? Come on. HONESTLY.
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@Zik:
And exactly what is that technique? How is he going to hurt him w/o touching him? Do you know something about this manga I don't?
Haki .
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A common form of Asspull, a DEM is an outside force that solves a seemingly unsolvable problem in an extremely unlikely [and, usually, anticlimactic way]. Where did Luffy get his power from against Crocodile? Even Crocodile asked this and there was no explanation for it?
Oh my God, are you actually trying to make an argument that will power and determination is deus ex machina? Do you have any idea how stupid this sounds? Maybe if it was some random cowardly fodder who suddenly got a spurt of bravery but freakin' Luffy!?!
To tell you the truth Crocodile didn't even utilize all of his techniques, it's like he forgot about them.
He wanted to fight him on the level of a pirate. He lost because he underestimated him. It's his fault for being so damn prideful about his Shickibukai title. Moria lost for the exact same reason. It's not deus ex machina.
And no one said anything about Luffy running away.
I like Oda Eiichiro's skills but he wrote the third fight with Luffy vs Crocodile as a DEM [Mostly all authors fall prey to this] and it doesn't mean that it can't happen again. I don't want Luffy to run away, but Luffy getting beat right now would not be surprising. He's learned nothing [Just screaming I'm gonna save so and so and punching the opponent isn't good enough anymore that was fine back in East Blue] and using a gimmick from Mr. 3 to beat Magellan would be weak.
Whether he runs of his own volition or is carried away by his comrades, it still counts as running away for the purpose of the story.
No offense but this sounds like a Luffy fan rant. You keep saying how Luffy is the main character as your basis of argument.
He is the main character. Freakin' Oda said so.
Well let me tell you about your main character, he has had his ass pwned by Magelllan
And he got beat up by Crocodile two times and Lucci one time in one hit but he still came to kick their asses in the end.
and he has had his ass pwned in Sabondy arc by people lower than Admirals and Shichibukai in Sentamaru and a Pacifista [WITH HELP].
Sentomarou's the strongest bodyguard in the world and the Pacifista were created by the smartest man in the world for the sole ourpose of taking out rookies. Quit trying to downplay what Luffy and his crew were facing. They were against forces that were way above their level. Frankly, it's incredible Luffy and his crew were able to hold on for so long. Also none of this changes the fact that he's the main character.
And you say don't take Ivankov and the Amazon statement about Luffy being an ain't compared to the heavy hitters seriously?
This sort of build-up has been done to death a thousand times before in the manga. "He's a Shickibukai with four times the bounty than Arlong", "It's a place that hasn't been touched in 800 years!!!", "It's an impenetrable fortress!!!" "It'll take him two days to beat the poison if he beats it at all!" Ba bla, yatta, yatta. They say this stuff because it's more entertaining to see Luffy beat the odds.
I truly beleive you are going against the story and only wishing what you want your Luffy to accomplish.
No, you're the one going against the story by wanting Mr. Oda to throw down all that build-up down the drain. For crying out loud, you think Luffy's not even going to Marineford.
You just saying Luffy making it happen and not being realistic at the same time is not good enough.
Lol, realistic? This is One Piece and Luffy is the miracle worker who's beaten two Shickibukai, destroyed one of the most respected Marine facilities in the world and has infiltrated and thrown into complete chaos the greatest prison in the world and now he's going to fight a War that will have Whitebeard, Admirals, Vice-admirals, Shickibukai galore (and these are just off the top of my head).
And please don't act as if Oda won't use side characters to overshadow Luffy cause he did it in this chapter.
Since when have I said this, one of the great things about One piece that I love is that so much attention is given to the side-characters (unlike a certain shitty manga about ninjas which is the complete opposite). I mean we got a freakin' chapter with nothing but trannies, how cool is that!?!
However, the focus of the series is still on the main character Luffy.
So if you don't see Luffy in this war or he is overshadowed don't be surprised. Cause Main character don't mean only character.
I don't expect Luffy to be kicking everyone's ass in the war, Luffy's a serious underdog who's going to get his head stuck in a battle between giants. For all intents and purposes, he's like an ant getting into a battle between two savage beasts. Which is exactly why Marineford will be fun because we'll see what possible effect Luffy will have and how he'll tip the war in favor of the side that wants to rescue Ace.
What I do expect is for Luffy to fight in the war because it would have made the Impel Down arc and all the pain and anguish and agony and detours and ten years of his life utterly pointless which is exactly what you're expecting to happen which is an idea that I can't emphasize how shitty it is which makes me REALLY, REALLY glad you don't write this series.
Talk after Magellen is down for the ten count not before…
You really have no idea of the basic concept of what makes a story do you?
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Hey guys! WOAH! Something happened in a Shonen manga!!!!!!! Instead of looking at the numerous hints to that point that made said surprising event possible, I'll just call it a clever term I heard online from my forum sempai!!!!!!
It's totally a DEM!!!!!!!!
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Luffy got the energy from sleeping. 'Nuff said. Sleep and meat bitches. Sleep and meat. Look for it in stores this Friday.
Anyway, the closest thing I've seen to a DEM in a while happened this week. No bullshit.
The Revolution army rescues Robin?
Come oooooon.
The only reason this isn't a raging hormonal full-on rock-solid DEM is because Nami read that newspaper way the fuck back and we know they're active around the world starting shit. But still, how did last week go from Robin's own personal prison break to, "LOL! YOU'RE FREE NOW OKAY BUH-BYE!"
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Hey guys! WOAH! Something happened in a Shonen manga!!!!!!! Instead of looking at the numerous hints to that point that made said surprising event possible, I'll just call it a clever term I heard online from my forum sempai!!!!!!
It's totally a DEM!!!!!!!!
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Luffy got the energy from sleeping. 'Nuff said. Sleep and meat bitches. Sleep and meat. Look for it in stores this Friday.
Anyway, the closest thing I've seen to a DEM in a while happened this week. No bullshit.
The Revolution army rescues Robin?
Come oooooon.
The only reason this isn't a raging hormonal full-on rock-solid DEM is because Nami read that newspaper way the fuck back and we know they're active around the world starting shit. But still, how did last week go from Robin's own personal prison break to, "LOL! YOU'RE FREE NOW OKAY BUH-BYE!"
I don't really mind that much myself because Robin was sent there whilst the World was in an active period. Ace was about to be executed yet we saw neither hair no tail of any revolutionaries. Even Iva-chan thought it was weird. But this is just confirmation that the Revolutionaries were getting active too and what better way to expend their energies and to kick the World Government in the nuts than to stop construction of one of their oldest projects?
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I feel let down about that development since it happened way too abruptly. We went from Metal Gear Robin: Frozen Wolf straight to the conclusion, without learning anything, really. Why was that bridge being built? How did Robin manage to get away? Does she view the Revolutionaries as less than saintly (the title of her story seems to imply that)?
Her story was the one I was looking forward to the most since it was a good opportunity to give us some juicy bits of information to chew on, but it wasn't. We just got the bare bones, and as usual, we'll be kept waiting for umpteen chapters to get our answers. This was one that should've been longer than two chapters.
I really hope Franky's story, the second one I'm most interested in, has a little bit more to it.
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@Zik:
Sounds like nothing but opinion and I disagree, as I said before. At this point, I'd prefer this nontraditional route since to me for the past several chaps everybody stressed to Luffy the exact route of not bothering to defeat Magellan and getting to the real goal. The warnings from Iva, the time limit, urgency of the current situation, the fact that in this past chap Luffy seemed level headed enough in agreeing with what Jinbei told him about just stalling, etc. Plus this nontraditional route isn't foreign to the manga at all.
I don't see multiple chaps being wasted on Luffy vs. Magellan and cuz of that I don't see Luffy defeating Magellan quickly, which would suck imo. I've stated other options but the best one I think is a group effort stalling until Jinbei and Croc return with the ship and then getting the fuck out of there in some intense or comical way.
I mean given how quickly Jinbei and Croc got the ship, I'd say in the 2-3 chaps they're all on their way to Marineford. If Magellan is defeated it's not gonna just be Luffy imo. Might see a combo with ID prisoners similar to how Oz was defeated. Like I said before I don't see this growth talk with Luffy defeating Magellan either
On stalling for time, you're forgetting Blackbeard just let Luffy and company go ahead, whereas Magellan will never do that. Magellan is a an obstacle to this rebellion, unlike Blackbeard. Stopping Magellan would actually help the rescue go more smoothly.
Next, there's no good reason why it wouldn't be Luffy, and you're not really giving a reason other then a distrust for Luffy's abilities. That's never enough to count him out. There's a bunch of stuff that can happen, or Luffy can do, so don't be so down on him. And answer this, who can beat Magellan that's relevant to this story?
Luffy is perfect story wise, because he seemingly can't beat him. Having Blackbeard do it is boring an anticlimactic, because we know how he can do it. What's the point of making Magellan a threat if a character with the perfect ability comes along to beat him?
Also…
Sounds like nothing but opinion and I disagree
Don't use this line again. It's nothing but a cheap trick to discredit the other side. There's nothing wrong with opinions based in reason.
Last, for everyone saying "Luffy's not ready for this war," that has to change sometime right? While Luffy should be overpowered, this arc is a great chance for him to take a step in the right direction, isn't it? Having him just get beat down and escape is a lackluster outcome for him.
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Anyway, the closest thing I've seen to a DEM in a while happened this week. No bullshit.
The Revolution army rescues Robin?
Come oooooon.
The only reason this isn't a raging hormonal full-on rock-solid DEM is because Nami read that newspaper way the fuck back and we know they're active around the world starting shit. But still, how did last week go from Robin's own personal prison break to, "LOL! YOU'RE FREE NOW OKAY BUH-BYE!"
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/524/06/
He says the slaves are made up of a lot of citizens of countries that refused to join the WG. With the marines focusing all their energy on MHQ, this is the perfect time for the revolutionaries to free their own citizens. There's even a chance that all the citizens of Zoro's island are there.
In fact, there were a bunch of people predicting that the revolutionaries would show up at TW.
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I feel let down about that development since it happened way too abruptly. We went from Metal Gear Robin: Frozen Wolf straight to the conclusion, without learning anything, really. Why was that bridge being built? How did Robin manage to get away? Does she view the Revolutionaries as less than saintly (the title of her story seems to imply that)?
Her story was the one I was looking forward to the most since it was a good opportunity to give us some juicy bits of information to chew on, but it wasn't. We just got the bare bones, and as usual, we'll be kept waiting for umpteen chapters to get our answers. This was one that should've been longer than two chapters.
I really hope Franky's story, the second one I'm most interested in, has a little bit more to it.
I have a feeling they're going to be expanded upon in the anime. That or Mr. Oda will get back to them with more detail. Like first, he gives us a cover of them in their situation and a cover on how they got out of their situation. That way, he'll be able to introduce the crew back into the story anytime he wants. After doing that, he'll go back to Sanji and Robin etc and go into more detail of what they went through because whatever it was will probably have an impact on the story even later in the future.
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On stalling for time, you're forgetting Blackbeard just let Luffy and company go ahead, whereas Magellan will never do that. Magellan is a an obstacle to this rebellion, unlike Blackbeard. Stopping Magellan would actually help the rescue go more smoothly.
Next, there's no good reason why it wouldn't be Luffy, and you're not really giving a reason other then a distrust for Luffy's abilities. That's never enough to count him out. There's a bunch of stuff that can happen, or Luffy can do, so don't be so down on him. And answer this, who can beat Magellan that's relevant to this story?
Luffy is perfect story wise, because he seemingly can't beat him. Having Blackbeard do it is boring an anticlimactic, because we know how he can do it. What's the point of making Magellan a threat if a character with the perfect ability comes along to beat him?
Also…
Don't use this line again. It's nothing but a cheap trick to discredit the other side. There's nothing wrong with opinions based in reason.
Last, for everyone saying "Luffy's not ready for this war," that has to change sometime right? While Luffy should be overpowered, this arc is a great chance for him to take a step in the right direction, isn't it? Having him just get beat down and escape is a lackluster outcome for him.
Preach my brother, preach!!!
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@Thousand:
I have a feeling they're going to be expanded upon in the anime. That or Mr. Oda will get back to them with more detail. Like first, he gives us a cover of them in their situation and a cover on how they got out of their situation. That way, he'll be able to introduce the crew back into the story anytime he wants. After doing that, he'll go back to Sanji and Robin etc and go into more detail of what they went through because whatever it was will probably have an impact on the story even later in the future.
That's what I'm banking on, but I still think this coverstory could've had a wee bit more substance to it the first time around.
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@Thousand:
Oh my God, are you actually trying to make an argument that will power and determination is deus ex machina? Do you have any idea how stupid this sounds? Maybe if it was some random cowardly fodder who suddenly got a spurt of bravery but freakin' Luffy!?!
Wow, Luffy had will power and determination in the first two fights as well and still lost with a logical explanation. Luffy all of a sudden turning around and beating Crocodile like that was illogical.
He wanted to fight him on the level of a pirate. He lost because he underestimated him. It's his fault for being so damn prideful about his Shickibukai title. Moria lost for the exact same reason. It's not deus ex machina.
No Croc still used his abilities, not all which makes it a DEM. ENEMY scew up purposely done by the author.
Whether he runs of his own volition or is carried away by his comrades, it still counts as running away for the purpose of the story.
Getting ass kicked=/= run away.
He is the main character. Freakin' Oda said so.
And he still gets his ass kicked Oda does so.
And he got beat up by Crocodile two times and Lucci one time in one hit but he still came to kick their ass in the end.
So, Do it against Magellen…Luffy couldn't do it in Sabondy arc no matter what.
Sentomarou's the strongest bodyguard in the world and the Pacifista were created by the smartest man in the world for the sole ourpose of taking out rookies. Quit trying to downplay what Luffy and his crew were facing. They were against forces that were way above their level. Frankly, it's incredible Luffy and his crew were able to hold on for so long. Also none of this changes the fact that he's the main character.
No it changes the fact that he can do nothing in this war cause Luffy THE MAIN CHARACTER is that weak.
This sort of build-up has been done to death a thousand times before in the manga. "He's a Shickibukai with four times the bounty than Arlong", "It's a place that hasn't been touched in 800 years!!!", "It's an impenetrable fortress!!!" "It'll take him two days to beat the poison if he beats it at all!" Ba bla, yatta, yatta. They say this stuff because it's more entertaining to see Luffy beat the odds.
Not when it's proven…Sabondy arc and this arc...Your main character is crap..
No you're the one going against the story by wanting Mr. Oda to throw down all that build-up down the drain. For crying out loud, you think Luffy's not even going to Marineford.
Nevr said that…
Lol, realistic? This is One Piece and Luffy is the miracle worker who's beaten two Shickibukai, destroyed one of the most respected Marine facilities in the world and has infiltrated and thrown into complete chaos the greatest prison in the world and now he's going to fight a War that will have Whitebeard, Admirals, Vice-admirals, Shickibukai galore (and these are just off the top of my head).
Miracle worker..? Where was that Miracle in Sabondy island? Your main character is boo boo.
Since when have I said this, one of the great things about One piece that I love is that so much attention is given to the side-characters (unlike a certain shitty manga about ninjas which is the complete opposite). I mean we got a freakin' chapter with nothing but trannies, how cool is that!?!
However, the focus of the series is still on the main character Luffy.
Yeah right now were focusing on how weak Luffy is compared to the rest of the world.
I don't expect Luffy to be kicking everyone's ass in the war, Luffy's a serious underdog who's going to get his head stuck in a battle between giants. For all intents and purposes, he's like an ant getting into a battle between two savage beasts. Which is exactly why Marineford will be fun because we'll see what possible effect Luffy will have and how he'll tip the war in favor of the side that wants to rescue Ace.
What I do expect is for Luffy to fight in the war because it would have made the Impel Down arc and all the pain and anguish and agony and detours and ten years of his life utterly pointless which is exactly what you're expecting to happen which is an idea that I can't emphasize how shitty it is which makes me REALLY, REALLY glad you don't write this series.
And I'm really glad you don't write the story because you are a Luffy fanboy [And it's obvious]. My point to you is don't act like Oda has to focus on Luffy at all or he doesn't even make it to the war in time. Luffy isn't even the CAUSE of this war, this thing is BIGGER than Luffy [YOUR MAIN CHARACTER] What the hell is Whitebeard going to this war for? To RESCUE Ace which has been mentioned by Ivankov as well. And I just lol'd how you think Luffy will have some type of heavy impact on this function ["Tip the war to whomever saves Ace"] No, Luffy can't even save himself how can he save Ace. Right now he has to use help [Mr. 3] Against Magellan and you expect him to be this big in the war? I think not, you just want Luffy fanservice.
You really have no idea of the basic concept of what makes a story do you?
I understand Luffy doesn't deserve to win! He has to use a Gimmick to even oppose Magellan…I know a main character has to develope and learn things to be effective in events you want him in...
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Great chapter, i'm still wanting to know whats appened to BB's crew though :/
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I wonder if this means that Robin, with the help of the Revolutionaries, is going to gather most of the Straw Hats. (Exception: Nami. How, with the exception of the birds on Chopper's island, is she going to get down from there?)
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A hot air balloon. And then she and Franky will combine their newfound knowledge and create a SUPER~ mini-drigible for the empty channel in the Sunny.
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Wow, Luffy had will power and determination in the first two fights as well and still lost with a logical explanation. Luffy all of a sudden turning around and beating Crocodile like that was illogical.
It was his will power and determination that kept him alive to fight to round three and win. He still almost lost too.
No Croc still used his abilities, not all which makes it a DEM. ENEMY scew up purposely done by the author.
Boy, you really know how to misuse that word. Look at the terrain they were in. Crocodile couldn't evade by turning to sand because Luffy could touch him, he couldn't use Espada because the mausoleum was coming down, he couldn't use a sandstorm because the mausoleum was too small, only when he was facing defeat at the last second (which by then was too late), did he screw it all and really go all out. What he did do before was just as deadly as he slowly but surely wore Luffy down to death. So no, no Deus ex machina.
Getting ass kicked=/= run away.
For the purposes of the story, it counts as running away from the fight.
And he still gets his ass kicked Oda does so.
Which doesn't change the fact that he's the main character which is the basis of my arguement which you were contesting.
So, Do it against Magellen…Luffy couldn't do it in Sabondy arc no matter what.
Sentomarou and the Pacifista didn't have all the build-up Magellan had and has.
No it changes the fact that he can do nothing in this war cause Luffy THE MAIN CHARACTER is that weak.
Lol, I'm starting to get the feeling you haven't even read this series if you think that. He's not going toe to toe with Ao Kiji for sure but considering Mr. Oda's incredible writing skills, to say there's nothing he can do is a jest. Not to mention, there's all the build-up on how he's going to have a dramtic effect on the war. This is exactly why Marineford is going to be awesome. because we don't know what Luffy can do but we know he's going to have a dramatic impact anyway.
Not when it's proven…Sabondy arc and this arc...
What's proven? He's still fighting isn't he on his way to fight a war, isn't he? He's already had an enormous effect in Impel Down contrary to what Nyon claimed. He's already beating the odds and there's already a ton of build-up pointing to him beating Magellan.
Your main character is crap.
LOL, ok at this point, I finally understand your game. You're a trolling anti-main caster. I think I can have some fun with you.
Nevr said that…
And how would Luffy not beating Magellan hurt the future war coming up? Who is taking Luffy seriously when we all know as an audience he isn't strong enough to even stand in the war. This has been mentioned on Amazon island and even Ivankov has stated that he is nothing but an ain't. To be honest, we don't even know if Luffy is gonna even make it to the war at all. Luffy after this battle would undoubtably be fatigued and possibly use up all the adrenaline for this battle against Magellan. Luffy can't do anything even if he shows up.
Miracle worker..? Where was that Miracle in Sabondy island? Your main character is boo boo.
So he loses a couple of times? That doesn't change the fact he's strong. if a main character always wins, it will just make the story stagnate and become boring. The point is that he has really done some incredible things against all odds and he can do so now.
Yeah right now were focusing on how weak Luffy is compared to the rest of the world.
He's still the focus of the series. How strong or weak he is doesn't change that.
And I'm really glad you don't write the story because you are a Luffy fanboy [And it's obvious].
What is obvious that you have shit for brains, can't tell a story worth a dime and have an illogical, incessant hate for the main character to the point that you're wishing the author throw away any and all sort of build-up just to see him get hurt some more.
My point to you is don't act like Oda has to focus on Luffy at all or he doesn't even make it to the war in time.
Yes, he does, he's the main character and there's already a ton of build-up.
Luffy isn't even the CAUSE of this war, this thing is BIGGER than Luffy [YOUR MAIN CHARACTER]
Which is why it makes the situation more interesting. He's the unpredictable factor that'll turn the situation over its head. The civil war in Arabasta was bigger than Luffy, the destruction of Skypiea was bigger than Luffy, the World Government is bigger than Luffy yet he still manages to have an effect on all these in an entertaining way which is the point of the story.
What the hell is Whitebeard going to this war for? To RESCUE Ace which has been mentioned by Ivankov as well.
Why exactly are you stating the obvious?
And I just lol'd how you think Luffy will have some type of heavy impact on this function ["Tip the war to whomever saves Ace"]
Wow, silly me, thinking that the main character was going to have an impact on the story. Imagine that.
No, Luffy can't even save himself how can he save Ace.
The mystery is part of what makes the entertainment.
Right now he has to use help [Mr. 3] Against Magellan and you expect him to be this big in the war?
Emphasis on the right now. This is exactly why I said he needs to grow stronger by beating Magellan so him having an effect on the war is believable. It's all part of Mr. Oda's masterful writing skills.
I think not, you just want Luffy fanservice.
I think all that build up and the fact that Luffy is the main character went over your head.
I understand Luffy doesn't deserve to win!
He sacrificed returning to his crew, went through hell and back, lost 10 years of his life and has still not given up rescuing his brother despite all the powerful figures that are going to be guarding him at Marineford and you don't think he deserves to win?
@Charisma:He has to use a Gimmick to even oppose Magellan…
The gimmick is just temporary comedy for entertainment. Magellan will deal with it in a chapter or two and then Luffy will finally start to get serious and get the aforementioned power up he'll need to fight in the war.
I know a main character has to develope and learn things to be effective in events you want him in…
Yes, but you don't know how to recognize it.
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You know, I really am starting to understand why Zephos had these constant debates with these idiots. Seeing their argument break down and start spouting incoherent trash is really entertaining. But, I think I won't be as mean as him. Except for the really dumb ones.
As an aside, I do wonder if Luffy will get his power up immediately after Magellan beats his champion form or whether Luffy gives a good fight before that. Knowing Mr. Oda, I'd swing to the latter.
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Great chapter, i'm still wanting to know whats appened to BB's crew though :/
Seeing as how Doc Q is right there and we don't see his reaction to the poison, he probably fixed the rest of them right up so they could head on down to the lower levels.
I don't think that they'll interfere with Magellan's fight unless it's not finished before Teach gets done with his own mission. If it's still going on after the Blackbeard Pirates decide to leave Impel Down, then I fully expect Teach to squish Magellan like a bug, but not before then.
On a somewhat related tangent, this arc is a great illustration of how different Teach is when it comes to being a villain. He's ridiculously strong, has one of the most powerful Devil Fruits known to mankind, but despite all of that, he's doesn't venture into the usual territory tread by such villains in that they're invincible right up until the hero needs to beat them.
If somebody walked up to Teach and kicked him in the crotch without warning, he's going to go down. Of course, that person is dead the minute Teach gets back up, but most villains tend to be the "INVULNERABLE UBER VILLAIN OF DOOOOOM" variety while Teach just isn't.
Of course, most villains don't make a point of saying encouraging things to their opponents either, but Teach seems to genuinely like Luffy on a personal level.
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@Thousand:
It was his will power and determination that kept him alive to fight to round three and win. He still almost lost too.
Which is why it's a DEM, will power has failed him the first two times and then a poisonous Luffy illogically wins…
Boy, you really know how to misuse that word. Look at the terrain they were in. Crocodile couldn't evade by turning to sand because Luffy could touch him, he couldn't use Espada because the mausoleum was coming down, he couldn't use a sandstorm because the mausoleum was too small, only when he was facing defeat at the last second (which by then was too late), did he screw it all and really go all out. What he did do before was just as deadly as he slowly but surely wore Luffy down to death. So no, no Deus ex machina.
Nice excuses, but Crocodile pulling big attacks off at the end and not during the entire battle makes it a DEM. Crescent-Shaped Sand Dune would have ended Luffy..Enemy screw up..You are just using excuses.
For the purposes of the story, it counts as running away from the fight.
Never….
Which doesn't change the fact that he's the main character which is the basis of my arguement which you were contesting.
No your argument is because Luffy is the main character he should be involved and do everything no matter how ridiculous it is. That's stupid…
Sentomarou and the Pacifista didn't have all the build-up Magellan had and has.
Kizaru did and his subordinate was killing Luffy.
Lol, I'm starting to get the feeling you haven't even read this series if you think that. He's not going toe to toe with Ao Kiji for sure but considering Mr. Oda's incredible writing skills, to say there's nothing he can do is a jest. Not to mention, there's all the build-up on how he's going to have a dramtic effect on the war. This is exactly why Marineford is going to be awesome. because we don't know what Luffy can do but we know he's going to have a dramatic impact anyway.
Luffy was crying in Sabondy [A smaller version of what is to come] of why he couldn't do a damn thang. I read the story.
What's proven? He's still fighting isn't he on his way to fight a war, isn't he? He's already had an enormous effect in Impel Down contrary to what Nyon claimed. He's already beating the odds and there's already a ton of build-up pointing to him beating Magellan.
Luffy hasn't beaten shit, Magellan beat his ass though…Pwned him bad..
So he loses a couple of times? That doesn't change the fact he's strong. if a main character always wins, it will just make the story stagnate and become boring. The point is that he has really done some incredible things against all odds and he can do so now.
Maybe on your terms Luffy fanboy but not mine..
He's still the focus of the series. How strong or weak he is doesn't change that.
Wow, thanks for stating the obvious genius.
What is obvious that you have shit for brains, can't tell a story worth a dime and have an illogical, incessant hate for the main character to the point that you're wishing the author throw away any and all sort of build-up just to see him get hurt some more.
Nah I understand story, I like Luffy, I hate fanboys who try to pump up a character and make him something he's not.
Yes, he does, he's the main character and there's already a ton of build-up.
This war isn't even about Luffy, Oda utilizing the main stage more than Luffy would be logical and not surprising.
Which is why it makes the situation more interesting. He's the unpredictable factor that'll turn the situation over its head. The civil war in Arabasta was bigger than Luffy, the destruction of Skypiea was bigger than Luffy, the World Government is bigger than Luffy yet he still manages to have an effect on all these in an entertaining way which is the point of the story.
This ain't the samething, quit using weak comparisons please. This war has people Waaay out of Luffy's weight class.
Wow, silly me, thinking that the main character was going to have an impact on the story. Imagine that.
The war is debatable…
The mystery is part of what makes the entertainment.
Ain't no mystery, Luffy is just damn weak, no comparison…He can't save no one when he can't save himself.
Emphasis on the right now. This is exactly why I said he needs to grow stronger by beating Magellan so him having an effect on the war is believable. It's all part of Mr. Oda's masterful writing skills.
We live in the present and I know you don't have a magical ball…
I think all that build up and the fact that Luffy is the main character went over your head.
No but I know he isn't the only character and not the reason why this war got started.
He sacrificed returning to his crew, went through hell and back, lost 10 years of his life and has still not given up rescuing his brother despite all the powerful figures that are going to be guarding him at Marineford and you don't think he deserves to win?
No he has learned nothing, recklessness has limits.
The gimmick is just temporary comedy for entertainment. Magellan will deal with it in a chapter or two and then Luffy will finally start to get serious and get the aforementioned power up he'll need to fight in the war.
What's the number of that psychic hotline you own?
Yes, but you don't know how to recognize it.
Cause there is nothing to recognize.
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Ace will not die, WHY ? As few mentioned before it will make Whitebeard and Dragon attack World Goverment…. thus destroying a big part of One Piece. The World Goverment is going down last, not first.
Will Whitebeard die ? No idea, it is possible for him to die cause that would make "The New World" enter a state of chaos, what is a better timing for Luffy to enter it ?
The Warden Vs. Uncontrolble and crazy pirate captain....
First Few FACTS!
1. Warden is bit worn out.
2. Warden is wounded.
3. Luffy is now full of energy (was low on energy in first fight)
4. Luffy got backup.
5. Luffy can touch Warden few times before geting hit by poison.
6. Blackbeard stated that Luffy's haki has gotten stronger.Luffy beating the Warden ? He may be able to do it thanks to Mr.3 and some help at early stage of the fight, he may also release some of his haki powers in the fight.
Another thing GEAR THIRD a giantic hand striking him.. the poison would touch such a small percent of Luffy's body that way. Why didn't he use it at their first encounter ? Under sea level and tired. Also do remember that the Okama Queen may return to help ?Warden beating Luffy ? Not going to happen, as da Okama King stated he may not get poisoned again like that else it is 100% death.
Luffy running from Warden ? Not going to happen without a big fight, cause it will take 'em time to get the boats and also if Luffy simply runs to the boat what is stopping the Warden to run after and destroy the boats with some sort of Poison ?
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On stalling for time, you're forgetting Blackbeard just let Luffy and company go ahead, whereas Magellan will never do that. Magellan is a an obstacle to this rebellion, unlike Blackbeard. Stopping Magellan would actually help the rescue go more smoothly
How is wasting more time fighting Magellan rather than leaving making the rescue go more smoothly. Are you assuming he's going to leave ID to pursue Luffy & co.?
Next, there's no good reason why it wouldn't be Luffy, and you're not really giving a reason other then a distrust for Luffy's abilities. That's never enough to count him out. There's a bunch of stuff that can happen, or Luffy can do, so don't be so down on him. And answer this, who can beat Magellan that's relevant to this story?
BB or is he not relevant? Group effort like what's already being done now as I said several times before. I'm not down on Luffy, I'm saying it doesn't make sense the way you want things to happen. As of now if Magellan is defeated it wouldn't be a Luffy defeated him situation anyway.
Hell I'd even go for Shiryuu defeating Magellan
Don't use this line again. It's nothing but a cheap trick to discredit the other side. There's nothing wrong with opinions based in reason.
Funny, I've been saying it from the beginning. I understand your stance on it and I disagree with your opinion on just about every level you've tried to argue it.
It's gotten to the point now where I'll wait to see how Oda handles it and if I"m right, I'm right. If he does it your way, Oda will either surprise me with how he goes about Luffy defeating Magellan and magically growing from the victory or I'll be unsatisfied like I expect if he does take that route.
Haki.
So after all that has happened to Luffy in ID, losing to Magellan the way he did, the way he got helped and recovered, the way he got help to escape, the way he's getting help to fight Magellan now again. You're gonna have Luffy defeat Magellan with haki.
Might as well be a scrapped DBZ arc.
To think some are saying having BB defeat Magellan or just running would be lame but using haki to win isn't.
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The long quote-y posts are cute and annoying. Cant you guys take it to PMs?
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The long quote-y posts are cute and annoying. Cant you guys take it to PMs?
It's called discussing the chap. If you don't like don't read it and gtfo
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Arlong's water tossing skills suck after this chapter! Amazing… This website should be called Jinbei Park from now on. I like how a ship isn't necessary if you have a door and a Jinbei.
and OMG! Wax Luffy!!! This will be truly epic.
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@Zik:
How is wasting more time fighting Magellan rather than leaving making the rescue go more smoothly. Are you assuming he's going to leave ID to pursue Luffy & co.?
BB or is he not relevant? Group effort like what's already being done now as I said several times before. I'm not down on Luffy, I'm saying it doesn't make sense the way you want things to happen. As of now if Magellan is defeated it wouldn't be a Luffy defeated him situation anyway.Hell I'd even go for Shiryuu defeating Magellan
Funny, I've been saying it from the beginning. I understand your stance on it and I disagree with your opinion on just about every level you've tried to argue it.It's gotten to the point now where I'll wait to see how Oda handles it and if I"m right, I'm right. If he does it your way, Oda will either surprise me with how he goes about Luffy defeating Magellan and magically growing from the victory or I'll be unsatisfied like I expect if he does take that route.
So after all that has happened to Luffy in ID, losing to Magellan the way he did, the way he got helped and recovered, the way he got help to escape, the way he's getting help to fight Magellan now again. You're gonna have Luffy defeat Magellan with haki.Might as well be a scrapped DBZ arc.
To think some are saying having BB defeat Magellan or just running would be lame but using haki to win isn't.
After a while it becomes clear that, quoting small parts of a post and saying "no" (and this goes for more then just Zik) isn't the best way to argue a point. I've done it, it sucks. So, I'm assuming one
or sookay three paragraphs will do better.First off, why do you think Magellan is worn down? He has a cut on his head, and we haven't seen the damage those gunners did (I'm assuming none). Magellan can take out all these other people in one attack, and then it will be Luffy alone. That's where I think the real battle will be. If this interference goes any farther, then yes, this battle needs to stop. But in that circumstance, then Luffy winning would be okay right? Keep in mind, Luffy's expended some energy too.
I think the main point I'm trying to get across is, we've spent a lot of time watching Magellan take people out, and the first of them was Luffy. How many ways can I say having some other person take him out in a non-fight is a waste of time? The entire point of Magellan is that he seems unbeatable, and we the fans are left with the mystery of how someone beats him. To have some guy come and beat him in a few pages (which is what I assume you're implying) makes every display of Magellan's power we've seen pointless. That's entire chapters, lost. That's terrible.
I just don't think this manga is going to skip the Luffy vs. boss fight for an arc.
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I don't think Magellan is that strong, he took damage from the first fight with Luffy. I don't see a long drawn out fight akin to Lucci, Enel, Croc, etc. That's the way I feel about what will happen prediction wise.
As for the other part let it be a waste of time if that's how you see it.
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I think the main point I'm trying to get across is, we've spent a lot of time watching Magellan take people out, and the first of them was Luffy. How many ways can I say having some other person take him out in a non-fight is a waste of time? The entire point of Magellan is that he seems unbeatable, and we the fans are left with the mystery of how someone beats him. To have some guy come and beat him in a few pages (which is what I assume you're implying) makes every display of Magellan's power we've seen pointless. That's entire chapters, lost. That's terrible.
I just don't think this manga is going to skip the Luffy vs. boss fight for an arc.
Lively thread…
This is really different I think than any other arc in the past where it was Luffy vs. Boss... I mean the closest comparison I can think of would have been Luffy staying in Loguetown to fight Smoker... who we still haven't seen anyone beat either, unless you count the draw with Ace. Once Jinbei and Croc have a ship in order there's no really good reason to keep going, Magellan proves no real threat to Luffy's nakama, or anyone else who isn't inside the prison at the time being. This isn't Enel or Moria.
I mean yeah, it could end up being a Luffy vs. Magellan showdown but really the fight has no reason to go it's course unless Luffy ends up stuck there. Ace is (or should be) way more important.
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He says the slaves are made up of a lot of citizens of countries that refused to join the WG. With the marines focusing all their energy on MHQ, this is the perfect time for the revolutionaries to free their own citizens. There's even a chance that all the citizens of Zoro's island are there.
In fact, there were a bunch of people predicting that the revolutionaries would show up at TW.
You're essentially preaching to the choir. I said it wasn't a DEM. He hinted at it long ago and if you've forgotten you're just an idiot.
But after the cock-tease last week, the title and the randomness of the resolution, it's merely the closest we've come to a DEM in a long while but still far from a real DEM.
By the way…
What's that smell? Smells almost like a Phe...no, that's impossible. Why for that to be true it'd have to be a Miracles.
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You smelled it too?
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^ I don't get what you guys are talking about… :ninja:
I hope next chapter has something about what happened to Blackbeard and Shiryuu. I just can't stand not knowing. Oh yeah, and some more Jimbei godliness. Like sinking all the ships in the harbor :w00t: .