Ever consider the chance Luffy would PREVENT the war?
I don't think Luffy will prevent the war, but I could imagine him assisting in the process that stops the war.
Did you two not read the last chapter?
Ever consider the chance Luffy would PREVENT the war?
I don't think Luffy will prevent the war, but I could imagine him assisting in the process that stops the war.
Did you two not read the last chapter?
The problem is, Oda still has 4 more Major players to introduce in this: Jimbei, who is about to be introduced, Akainu, who will be introduced now or later on, Kaidou, who has been mentioned but not introduced yet, and the unknown Yonkou. Once those 4 men (and possibly women) are introduced, shit will get rolling.
Ever consider the chance Luffy would PREVENT the war?
That would be utterly lame and stupid.
Did you two not read the last chapter?
What, in particular, about the last chapter was so definitive that you respond to both of our posts with that condescending incredulity.
Garp saying that both parties have gone past the point of no return?
Garp saying that both parties have gone past the point of no return?
I see. I checked over this chapter, assuming Vanessa meant 525.
Last chapter. Not this one.
Garp saying that both parties have gone past the point of no return?
Actually it's that point that actually makes me think that Luffy might just be able to stop it. Because it sounds so damn impossible that you almost know Oda would do it. Personally I would love a huge One Piece war but I can't but feel that it's too soon. I'd figure something like that would be saved for the second half of the series. And if you guys would just get past your blood lust for a second and picture it. Wouldn't it be like mega-awesome that Luffy stopped an ENTIRE WORLD WAR!!! It would be on a whole different scale from Arabasta. The small unpredictability, the almsot non-factor shifting the entire FATE of the world? I think it would be pretty neat. But meh, whatever Oda does will be golden.
Last chapter. Not this one.
Yeah, I corrected myself once I realized she meant "last chapter" and not "the last chapter". Either way, Garp is talking about if Ace died. So, how does that have anything to do with either of our posts? I speak for myself here, but I was posting under the impression that Luffy saves Ace.
Actually it's that point that actually makes me think that Luffy might just be able to stop it. Because it sounds so damn impossible that you almost know Oda would do it. Personally I would love a huge One Piece war but I can't but feel that it's too soon. I'd figure something like that would be saved for the second half of the series. And if you guys would just get past your blood lust for a second and picture it. Wouldn't it be like mega-awesome that Luffy stopped an ENTIRE WORLD WAR!!! It would be on a whole different scale from Arabasta. The small unpredictability, the almsot non-factor shifting the entire FATE of the world? I think it would be pretty neat. But meh, whatever Oda does will be golden.
I doubt it's going to be stopped, or at least not the event Oda has said is going to happen. Things have been set in motion now and something is going to happen, whether or not the actual war rages on for a long time is another matter entirely though.
@Maase:
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Luffy? Preventing the war?
3) Even if Whitebeard knows, he's already enraged, until he gets the Blackbeard's head, he won't stop.
So, i doubt itI don't think Luffy will prevent the war, but I could imagine him assisting in the process that stops the war.
Did you two not read the last chapter?
Yeah, I corrected myself once I realized she meant "last chapter" and not "the last chapter". Either way, Garp is talking about if Ace died. So, how does that have anything to do with either of our posts? I speak for myself here, but I was posting under the impression that Luffy saves Ace.
This war no longer has anything to do with Ace. And I don't think WB is going after BB per se. The WG has enraged "the King of the Sea" as Garp put it. The only way out of this war is when one party concedes defeat.
The WG basically took off their right glove and slapped WB in his face. A gentlemen like WB must now go to war ^_^ No amount of apology can reverse this sacrilege!
I read that line in a more general sense. No matter what happens now, they've angered a sleeping giant who isn't going to stop until he takes what's his. I think what Garp was trying to say that while Ace was the trigger for this, him being removed from the equation is not going to be the end of things, as everyone has already gone down the slippery slope.
Oh! And before this gets out of hand like the spoiler thread did: I never said I think it will or want it to happen, I was just responding to Luffy Batters statement by saying I can imagine Luffy being part of what stops the war. So unless you all think the war will go on forever and ever without end, then my imagination cannot be that screwed up.
I know!!!! Maybe since in almost every arc, the strawhats have a formulatic fight with enemies, but since the strawhats arent there, maybe luffy will team up with the supernovas in impel down. But, only if they are in there. That would be pretty cool to see all the pirate captains to get good fights to see what they really are made of.
I read that line in a more general sense. No matter what happens now, they've angered a sleeping giant who isn't going to stop until he takes what's his. I think what Garp was trying to say that while Ace was the trigger for this, him being removed from the equation is not going to be the end of things, as everyone has already gone down the slippery slope.
In other words the shit has hit the proverbial fan.
Oh! And before this gets out of hand like the spoiler thread did: I never said I think it will or want it to happen, I was just responding to Luffy Batters statement by saying I can imagine Luffy being part of what stops the war. So unless you all think the war will go on forever and ever without end, then my imagination cannot be that screwed up.
Well, I wasn't part of your spoiler discussion gone awry, but I shared most of your feelings and opinions regarding said character, etc, etc.
It's not that we think the war will go on forever, it must have an ending. I personally would like it if Luffy has nothing to do with how it ends, but that's just me. I imagine WB will storm Marineford early causing the ruckus there, allowing Luffy to run havoc on ID, while WB keeps the big boys busy :)
Oda has been building this war for many chapters now, he's not going to stop it all of a sudden. Like it or not we're going to see some action involving WB and the WG. When Oda bothers to actually set something up… he's not going to just all of a sudden do away with it.... He's been building and building... why don't people see this??? Of course the conflict will resolve in a way we can't foresee... since Oda is a genius he's probably got some surprises ahead... but definitely no cheap easy conclusion with zero action... sure Luffy and Garp will just go talk to Sengoku and he'll let Ace go and it'll all work out... seriously guys.. seriously!!!
In my opinion Hancock love sickness is of a similar category, Oda has set up this relationship with Luffy so that she has a valid reason to leave Amazon Lilly and sail around the world with Luffy... Oda isn't going to all of a sudden kill off Hancock or have her be miraculously "healed" and she just returns to Lilly... like a lot of Anti-Hanock people want.. might as well pray that Margret shows up out of nowhere and all of a sudden joins the SH crew... foolish Anti-Hancockers.... completely ignores what Oda is trying to set up....
*Hancock joining is almost tooooo predictable at this point.. if you're still in denial... I'm going to call you stubborn...
I think the sea kings are huge and if you dont belive me look at this page
That is a truly awesome spread. It explains so much and STILL holds validity with what we know regarding size of ships and what they can/cant handle. Even though at that time we were like,
Holy shit! Gigantic things!` He really helped establish that even most DF users have little chance against them, even a G3 Luffy, not to mention a warship ship should a large number of them be in a particularly bad mood.
Time and again he brings them in as reminders of the barriers that exist in his world and I LOVE it. Even though it was Chapter 101 it shows how far he was thinking ahead.
The whole "circling" of the Sea Kings kinda seems that they are actually guarding ID - intentionally or unintentionally. I do not think ID is covered with Sea-stones. So far the "resonating wave" theory seems most probable. Some sort of technology is probably keeping them at bay, and yet (probably) attracting them towards ID - some kind of technique to keep them close, but not too close.
Hmmm, well maybe its a soothing vibration? They don
t seem pissed or annoyed by whatever it might be. You want some there but not TOO many right? Interesting!
To stay on topic. Facebook sucks :) All those people there exposing their life to anyone.
Huh? You cant see each others
profiles unless you`re related by Group and I never bothered to open my group beyond college.
Furthermore any employer is welcome to see what I post there. I have some goofy pictures but nothing that would ever be considered wrong or unsuitable. Not everyone is a dumbass.
Time and again he brings them in as reminders of the barriers that exist in his world and I LOVE it. Even though it was Chapter 101 it shows how far he was thinking ahead.
I was just thinking about that. Looking back that far and seeing these humooooooooungous Sea Kings had to have been a major shocker. I really cannot remember that far back (8 years at least for me). But Oda really has done a great job introducing the major boundaries in the series without blowing holes through them a few years later. On another note, that water looks so clear in the Sea King spread this chapter. Makes me want to go in there and swim…................but I am too scared to jump in.
Last edited by brennen.exe : December 8th, 2008 at 03:14 PM. Reason: And my imagination also had Ace living and Whitebeard dying in that particular scenario.
Last edited by freedom : December 8th, 2008 at 04:21 PM. Reason: I don't think either WB or Ace will die, but I'm hoping WB gets dethroned but at the same time, the WG loses the war.
Bren, why are you ignoring me?? :cwy:
@Fire Fist:
The problem is, Oda still has 4 more Major players to introduce in this: Jimbei, who is about to be introduced, Akainu, who will be introduced now or later on, Kaidou, who has been mentioned but not introduced yet, and the unknown Yonkou. Once those 4 men (and possibly women) are introduced, shit will get rolling.
Why does everyone assume the other Yonkou will be involved? Besides Shanks, there's no evidence to support it. In fact, I think the Yonkou oppose each other, unlike the Admirals and Shichibukai, who [to some extent] fight together. Would you be buddy-buddy with your three greatest rivals in becoming the PK?
Bren, why are you ignoring me?? :cwy:
lol!! I wasn't ignoring you. I just thought you were making a general comment and clearing things up. I didn't think I was supposed to respond further. I personally think the WG needs to win the war, thus making life more stressful for pirates and making Luffy's eventually throning that much more powerful. Re-birthing the Pirate Era or something. IDK, this is why Oda writes the story and not me.
Why does everyone assume the other Yonkou will be involved? Besides Shanks, there's no evidence to support it. In fact, I think the Yonkou oppose each other, unlike the Admirals and Shichibukai, who [to some extent] fight together. Would you be buddy-buddy with your three greatest rivals in becoming the PK?
Personally, I don't think Whitebeard would accept their help even if they offered
Yonkou #3, I need to know what the context of your sig quote is, as it amuses me. Obviously it was first posted by Meh, but still. I am curious now.
I'm such a nice Zenigame that I even decided to hunt down the exact post.
lol!! I wasn't ignoring you. I just thought you were making a general comment and clearing things up. I didn't think I was supposed to respond further. I personally think the WG needs to win the war, thus making life more stressful for pirates and making Luffy's eventually throning that much more powerful. Re-birthing the Pirate Era or something. IDK, this is why Oda writes the story and not me.
I'm just being melodramatic. LOL! I see no reason for the WG to win, they've been in charge for the last 800 years, and it's about time for them to suffer a bad lost so that they become more desperate for reviving the ancient weapons, and do just that.
I'm just being melodramatic. LOL! I see no reason for the WG to win, they've been in charge for the last 800 years, and it's about time for them to suffer a bad lost so that they become more desperate for reviving the ancient weapons, and do just that.
that's what I'm saying down with the WG.
I'm just being melodramatic. LOL! I see no reason for the WG to win, they've been in charge for the last 800 years, and it's about time for them to suffer a bad lost so that they become more desperate for reviving the ancient weapons, and do just that.
That's a nice angle since they've already been pursuing it or atleast a way to build some new ones.
I'd like to see that happen and then BB being scared shitless until they do find an ancient weapon and then basically Bogart's the WG for it in his quest to world domination.
I foresee the World Government winning. I see as the ultimate antagonist and, as such, do see them suffering such a huge loss this early in the story, and I believe this conflict will result in them having a larger presence in the new world, so they can still play the role of ultimate antagonists. I also think it's possible that they already have the ancient weapons (or some of them, at least) and are willing to use them as a last result to ensure victory.
I foresee the World Government winning. I see as the ultimate antagonist and, as such, do see them suffering such a huge loss this early in the story, and I believe this conflict will result in them having a larger presence in the new world, so they can still play the role of ultimate antagonists. I also think it's possible that they already have the ancient weapons (or some of them, at least) and are willing to use them as a last result to ensure victory.
Nah the ancient weapons have been hyped in such a way that if they had it now they would immediately end the age of piracy. They'd murk the shichi and then go after the yonkou.
Although I'd like to see the WG losing and in a desperate situation I do see them winning just cuz I think they have to be at a certain level when they face the revolutionaries.
There's no reason to use them as a last result. If Sengoku had this at his disposal he'd be a little calmer unless he's just acting and has a grand scheme in the works.
Sidenote: If Vegapunk is so smart(genius that is 500 years ahead of his time, do the math and that's in the 2000s past the current year to be exact 2022) how come he hasn't created something better than the ancient weapons? (or has he?) I mean we've seen the tech of the current sailing ships now, the Maxim, and since Vegapunk is on his put laser beams in a super powerful cyborg you'd think he could create some airplanes or some shit, some early age submarines maybe? Hell a space station with ion cannons even lol…........ Maybe he's not that loyal to the WG.
Back then i predicted that the WG will suffer several damages because of their shitty strategy in this war.
They're trying to take down the strongest man in the world and they:
I fail to see a good stategy for the marines with keeping in mind that they are trying to end the pirate age.
Moreover they don't know about BBs ambitions which will make him turn against them. It's only a matter of time now. BB is waiting for WB to die and he can't be a shishibukai and a pirate king. The marines will never accept that.
Unless the Marines have a trump card which can be something like a super power that has nearly nothing to fear (maybe 3 admirals together with sengoku) i predict in regards of the listed arguments that the marines will loose this war.
No. If I remember correctly we just stopped talking about it. I think you were still under the impression they entered the Gates of Just via Enies Lobby,…
Nope, last comment from my side was that they actually could have entered it from where you say being based on the knowledge we have of the Gate/Whirlpool connection.
…I think is unlikely without Oda having made a fairly huge mistake two times in a row. [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/524/13/"]One; Two].
Don't worry, I don't think so either (since back then I thought it was a one time thing). However since we're talking Oda here, I also think that he did draw those "U-Turn-Arrows" for a purpose. And it was also two times. If they aren't bound to take you back making it unable to enter, then there's no point of drawing them in the first place. I mean if you can enter everywhere but leave only through the Gates then there's no point in drawing said arrows.
I understand what you are saying, but doesn't the force of a whirlpool make that effect? I mean when the water is forcing a specific direction in a specific location, the other currents that hit it will be forced to turn with it and could then cause those reverse effects, but that wouldn't make a "wall" blocking anyone from entering.
The way it was portrayed at Enies Lobby it was said (though it doesn't have to be a definite statement since it was speculation from Zoro and Sanji) that the whirlpools were created because the Gate of Justice messed up the ocean currents. That isn't even speculation but actually pretty much makes sense. What is speculation is my following extrapolation of this fact:
Even without the three Gates of Justice there's a strong currents in the Tarai area. But with the three gates, this current is practically harnessed to follow the flow it shows on the drawings. It is basically the same concept of the Enies Lobby whirlpools only on a larger scale. And the reason why the whirlpools disappeared pretty quickly I'd say that this is because they are the outer periphery of the Tarai current, thus falling appart pretty quick while for the center it would require quite a while.
I don't think it is that much of a stretch. If the EL gate can create the natural flow of the ocean currents that much to create said whirlpools, then I don't see why on a larger scale the connection of all three gates shouldn't mess the natural flow of the Tarai current around to work as it does now. And the result would be currents and whirlpools that prevent you from leaving aswell as entering.
Like I said, I agree with you that it's unlikely that Oda did the same mistake twice. But the same applies to my theory since those "U-Turn-Arrows" are there and have to mean something. And with what happened at Enies Lobby it would work perfectly fine that they can enter everywhere, if they use the gate accordingly to weaken the effects of the currents/whirlpools that block the entrance.
@Zik:
Sidenote: If Vegapunk is so smart(genius that is 500 years ahead of his time, do the math and that's in the 2000s past the current year to be exact 2022) how come he hasn't created something better than the ancient weapons? (or has he?) I mean we've seen the tech of the current sailing ships now, the Maxim, and since Vegapunk is on his put laser beams in a super powerful cyborg you'd think he could create some airplanes or some shit, some early age submarines maybe? Hell a space station with ion cannons even lol…........ Maybe he's not that loyal to the WG.
Resources? Sentoumaru did say it cost a lot to make just one Pacifista. Mass producing planes is probably out of the question. If Franky has subs they probably do too, we just haven't seen a situation where they'd use one. Someone inevitable dramatic ID escape seems a likely time to see.
@Zik:
Sidenote: If Vegapunk is so smart(genius that is 500 years ahead of his time, do the math and that's in the 2000s past the current year to be exact 2022) how come he hasn't created something better than the ancient weapons? (or has he?)
Perhaps because the Ancient Weapons are 1000 years ahead of this time? No seriously, I don't want to set some fix numbers but my main point is that the Ancient Weapons are probably even ahead of Vegapunks genius.
I mean we've seen the tech of the current sailing ships now, the Maxim, and since Vegapunk is on his put laser beams in a super powerful cyborg you'd think he could create some airplanes or some shit, some early age submarines maybe? Hell a space station with ion cannons even lol…........ Maybe he's not that loyal to the WG.
What tells you that he didn't? If this story is going to continue for years then Oda has to have even more things in the back of his mind that will hit the series at some point. I'm sure that we'll see more of awesome Vegapunk goodies in the future. Besides, the research of the DF's is pretty much a difficult thing in itself. I mean understanding them that far that you can create lifeless objects that can eat said fruits and adapt their ability is pretty much tough shit. Not to mention that you're creating a human weapon that can incoporate parts of another persons DF ability.
And i believe that the ancient weapons are reponsible for the worlds state the grand line the calm belt and anything that looks so weird in this world. You've heard it here first.
Didn't we discuss this one or two weeks ago already?
If yes then i can't recall it :) (i'm serious)
I sense the rebirth of a few of the pirates weve seen thus far (Buggy and Alvida especially) in the New World.
So what are Luffy and Hancock going to do about the body search coming up? I'm guessing for an outside infulence to interfere (Buggy perhaps).
Also hey everyone, I'm Josh, I'm new here.
So what are Luffy and Hancock going to do about the body search coming up? I'm guessing for an outside infulence to interfere (Buggy perhaps).
Also hey everyone, I'm Josh, I'm new here.
Welcome on board. And i really we see sexy hide and seek game inside Hancock's cloths… when someone do body check... Eh, that would kill Hancock.
If yes then i can't recall it :) (i'm serious)
Well I thought you were involved in said talkback so I wondered. I started with this post from last week's talkback.
Anyway the theory is much older here in the forum.
Welcome on board. And i really we see sexy hide and seek game inside Hancock's cloths… when someone do body check... Eh, that would kill Hancock.
Thanx.
Hahaha that would be funny, would she just say it is another snake or something, then say "You do not have to worry about it, because I am BEAUTIFUL :wub:"
Well I thought you were involved in said talkback so I wondered. I started with this post from last week's talkback.
Anyway the theory is much older here in the forum.
I'm glad to see that i'm not the only oner who think that. But i guess that this theory is obvious enough thus the smallsized "first" in my post. I just recently decided to look in the chapters threads. I usually post many theories in the spoiler thread.
… If Franky has subs they probably do too, we just haven't seen a situation where they'd use one. Someone inevitable dramatic ID escape seems a likely time to see.
I think you partly called it, man. Luffy, Ace, and Hancock are going to be rescued from ID by the Sunny-go's sub. Luffy'll be surprised to see his crew and their response will be "Of course we knew you'd do something reckless like invade ID to rescue Ace", so they'll board the sub and they'll be chased by the Marines' own subs as they make their escape…
P.S. I wouldn't put it past them to bring the whole Sunny-go, considering it's probably been coated for underwater travel by now, but underwater propulsion of the entire ship hasn't been covered by Oda yet...
I'm glad to see that i'm not the only oner who think that. But i guess that this theory is obvious enough thus the smallsized "first" in my post. I just recently decided to look in the chapters threads. I usually post many theories in the spoiler thread.
It's a real pitty when I find out that people post exclusively in spoiler threads since this is a place I avoid going to at all costs.
Personally, I don't think Whitebeard would accept their help even if they offered
Exactly.
They won't join Whitebeard. Even if they wanted to, he wouldn't let them.
Obviously, the WG won't allow them to fight on their side. Even if they did, they would be captured immediately after the battle.
@Zik:
Nah the ancient weapons have been hyped in such a way that if they had it now they would immediately end the age of piracy. They'd murk the shichi and then go after the yonkou.
There's no reason for the WG to already possess the ancient weapons. They're desperate for them (and we know this from the whole Franky story), and that's why we have the Pacifista right now.
Although I'd like to see the WG losing and in a desperate situation I do see them winning just cuz I think they have to be at a certain level when they face the revolutionaries.
I see what you're getting at, but what I imagine is that the WG suffers a massive loss now, and this forces them to be more blood thirsty, turning their heads even more regarding morals, in desperation to get the AW. Then once they obtain them, this is where Dragon and his revolutionaries will step in. Since this group is directly targeted towards the destruction of the WG.
There's no reason to use them as a last result. If Sengoku had this at his disposal he'd be a little calmer unless he's just acting and has a grand scheme in the works.
Like I said, they don't have them yet.
@Zik:
Sidenote: If Vegapunk is so smart (genius that is 500 years ahead of his time, do the math and that's in the 2000s past the current year to be exact 2022) how come he hasn't created something better than the ancient weapons? (or has he?) I mean we've seen the tech of the current sailing ships now, the Maxim, and since Vegapunk has put laser beams in a super powerful cyborg you'd think he could create some airplanes or some shit, some early age submarines maybe?
Well first we need to remember that the laser beams are from his study of Kizaru's ability to control light, giving him a sort of reverse engineering opportunity to duplicate and not invent. The Maxim was all Enel, and while it was fairly advanced it pretty much relied on Enel's capabilities. Anyways, my theory on this whole thing has always been somewhat sparked by a certain book series but is still a fairly incomplete theory. Anyways, in short the theory is that way back when the Ancient Weapons had been made the world's technology was much more advanced and much more vast. At some point the Ancient Weapons destroyed portions of the world creating the Grandline and Calm Belt, and the world was thrown somewhat into chaos. As a result, most of the worlds technology was set back to the very basics of travel and structure, and thus had to start over. The WG was eventually formed afterward once there was more stability and less chaotic confusion at a reconstructed geography of the world and lack of technology. From there we have the current One Piece world. Anyways, I also think that the ancient winged-people from the moon played a part in there somewhere (whether it be before or after) since we all know their ancient technology was extremely advanced and that they left for the 'Blue Planet' in search of more resources. While it could be that they landed at and stopped in the sky islands, I think it goes back much farther than that personally, and it might have even been pre-'Ancient Weapon' time. Meh, just a whole lot of theory that really doesn't have much to go on. Anyways, the idea was – like I said -- sparked from a book series I read a looong time ago, but really came to fruition when Kuma first brought up Dr. Vegapunk's brilliance. Here is my last post where I mentioned it: Link