Hey..I just have a random thought, could it be that Sengoku's goat actually his weapon??
If Kujas can hardening the snake why not his goat??…hehehe...
...but I imagine, what weapon it would be???....
Chapter 523 "Hell" Discussion
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@Goustifruit Ill say that the WG still have revealed many of their aces, trump card whatever you call it. So for Sengoku being worried is that the other pirates could be ready to attack the WG while they are fighting WB and that Sengoku doesnt know WB's position and WB could attack any time.
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I have presented my argument against this. The WG specifically threated to attack the island if Hancock disobeyed them. Due to their ruthlessness I can't really see them just deciding it's not worth it: hell, with your own example, Ohara, the WG was obsessed with making an example of the scholars. What kind of message would they be sending if they didn't attack the island? "It's perfectly alright for you Shichbukai to betray us"? The only good argument I've heard about this is that the WG might be devastated after this war, but that's not something that you can claim as a sure bet.
Dum dee dum. Don't be so hasty.
Momonga said this, "It's not the best of situations, but…according to the treaty the government have with the Kuja, we are not permitted to stray within three kilometres of the isle of women." as well as "This compulsory assembly of the Shichibukai is an absolute order of the World Government!!! If you refuse to attend, the treaty is void!! Your Shichibukai status will be revoked!!!"
Nyon had this to say, "If you lose your title and we become just a country of pirates...there'd be deaths!!"
Nowhere in the manga does it state that the WG will attack Amazon Lily if Hancock loses her Shichibukai status. Amazon Lily will just be labelled a country of pirates. This gives the bounty hunters incentive to hunt down the Amazon pirate crew. It doesn't mean 2 countries will go to war when a peace treaty expires. You can have strained relations, the marines can now attack the Amazon pirate ship, but the WG doesn't have to attack Amazon Lily. And you still haven't argued how the WG would choose to hunt Amazon Lily, nothing more than an island of pirates then, since Hancock is no longer at the helm, over other pirate crews. This, when they have a war going with Whitebeard. If the WG wants to deal with Hancock, they hunt the Straw Hats, not Amazon Lily. As such, it is very possible that Hancock joins the Straw Hats partly due to her wish to protect her kingdom. Which is not in any way similar to how Franky joined; he joined partly due to his family wishes to protect him by sending him with the Straw Hats.
#1: I made this assumption because I was responding to a post that guessed this as her dream
#2: We've seen that slavery is very popular in the Red Line area. This area is the home town of the world nobles, who are big on slavery, and are the ones who brand people as slaves. Hancock herself was made a slave in this area. Unless Raftel is chock-full of slaves, which we have no evidence of, and Hancock knows this, which seems unlikely due to the fact that no one who hasn't been there seems to know about Raftel, I can't see how traveling away from what seems like the slave capital of the world is going to help the slaves.So if someone who's pro-Hancock joining makes a less than ideal argument, that means that Hancock is unlikely to join? People miss the fact that she's an empress herself (though i won't say the best), its entirely possible that she is disgusted by the WG's draconian rule, which is supported by the fact that Hancock hates the WG. Hell, she could join because she wanted to be appreciated as just herself, not as an empress, not as a pretty-face, not to be ordered around like a slave; to be free. Can't the Straw Hat family do that? Not grand enough? Chopper's dream was to see the world. Usopp just wanted to be a brave warrior of the sea.
This is silly. You know I wasn't talking about fighting styles. I was talking about skills. Like navigation. Or doctoring. Or Cooking. Even Ussop fires the cannons when needed, and Robin reads Ponyglyphs and is able to gather information.
Excuse me, who brought up Zoro, and that the crew already had a haki user? You did! I even highlighted that! Just because you cann't see Hancock contributing to the running of the ship, she can't join? Usopp firing the cannons when needed is a skill? Yet if Hancock fights off pirate crews from the ship it cannot be considered a skill? What's Zoro's skill then? First mate? You have to be kidding, because I see Sanji as the man with a plan! Brooke's skill? Since when is music crucial to sailing? Even Chopper joined because Luffy wanted a transforming reindeer! I don't understand why crewmembers have to fill an important role to join the Straw Hats when you have so many examples to the contrary. Why can't Hancock simply enjoy herself on the ship like the rest of them and defend the Straw Hats when the time comes?
This is a strange thing to say considering I've been pointing to specific things while you have been basing your arguments on guesses about what information it's possible we might get in the future. I haven't been arguing she "definitely won't join" I've been saying why I think it's unlikely she will join based on specific things that have actually been said in the Manga.
I laughed, especially at the last point. No need to resort to calling other arguments guesses. If they are, point it out please. I didn't even shoot down your idea that Hancock won't help Luffy save Ace, or that if she does, the WG won't find out, even though it was all basically a guess. Also, I commend your ability to attack certain points by themselves as though they are unsupported. In the end, the argument whether a new character joins or not boils down to this: what they can offer to the Straw Hats, and what the Straw Hats can offer them, because circumstances change, and characters develop. You'd have to be blind to argue that Hancock and the Straw Hats have nothing to offer each other.
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@Sesshy:They've made too many statements foreshadowing an attack on that island if she's caught betraying them that it's ridiculous for it to not happen.
Besides the arguments stated above, that was just the WG assuming Boa Hancock would continue to lead her kingdom after betrayal. After all, you don't expect an empress to leave her kingdom for good, would you?
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I think people are expecting her to stay around Impel Down, and I don't see it. Luffy asked her to answer the call and go to Marineford, he didn't ask her to stop with him. It'll definately bring about suspicions how Luffy got to Impel Down, but it seemed clearly obvious that she's not stopping with him. Why would they make a fuss about him requesting her to go somewhere where she's experienced trauma if she doesn't actually have to go there.
About your second point. Did you miss the whole part where they were talking about what they were doing on their voyage? She was talking about raiding World Government and Marine Ships WITH her crew. Did you also miss the part when Elder Nyon made the statement 'Along with the already infamous name of the kuja this earned her the immediate attention of central.' They've made too many statements foreshadowing an attack on that island if she's caught betraying them that it's ridiculous for it to not happen. This goes along with the other statement where they talked about before how they now had to fear an attack from the Marines because of their ability to cross the calm belt now. Not to mention her sisters are still on that island. The WG has done so many actions to try to save their reputation so far with multiple cover ups, destroying islands, and probably hunting cp9 to regain reputation, and you don't think they'll attack? Either this will never be brought up because Hancock goes to Marineford and it's never found out how Luffy got into Impel Down(I'm thinking that may be the reason Oda started to hint at WB attacking ID because if there's chaos throughout it and Luffy pops out of nowhere, nobody would know where the hell he came from) or that island gets attacked like Ohara, but with a much better chance of somehow surviving.
Also, I'd like to add a new theory to the 'Where are the strawhats?' discussion. I believe that either Robin or Brooke will be sent to Nanimonai(It means Nothing, and was the island Robin tried to give an eternal pose to the Strawhats at Whiskey Peak). Eh, nevermind, I think that it was just mentioned in the anime. I was thinking Robin, just because she has that bored personality and would enjoy the silence and Brooke because he was forced to spend 50 years alone. Who knows, it could go from a slight mention in the anime to part of the story in the manga, but I doubt it now.
So, you expect her to just drop him off with the VA (he's definitely going to be needed for the war) ship after a four day trip and go on to Marineford while the guy she loves is going to charge into battle against the WG greatest prison? She said it herself that she "shall go wherever [he] may". You really think from the way she acts with him now she'd just let him go without her? There is also the problem with her sickness and being near/knowing she'll see Luffy again has been the only cure. Where did it become clearly obvious she won't be stopping with him? The order was for her to aid in the battle with WB, which at the moment looks like it is going to be at Impel down anyways since that is WB best chance to surprise them and grab Ace before he gets to the WG main force at Marineford and where Sengoku specifically said to watch for a possible attack. Also, won't it take a while to get back to HQ, as you said, WB will probably attack when Luffy arrives, what's Hancock going to do? Miss everything sailing to Marineford, how boring and stupid would that be after integrating her so much in the arc? She despises the WG and isn't likely to jump into battle for them, she sees Luffy battling it out to get inside and save Ace. Lets see here, help Luffy or battle WB forces and help the people she despises? When they notice she doesn't help them, her uses as a shichibukia are gone, what do you think would happen next? The big fuss was about her accepting the orders of the WG and agreeing to aid them in battle to go along with Luffys plan because she hates them, they knew Luffy would ask to go to Impel down where his brother was located, not Marineford.
She made the attention of central, that's why she is a shichibukia and why she was requested to be at the battle, not her people. So, basically she was planning to betray the WG anyways and open her island up to the prospect of retaliation? Just like someone said before me, what's the point of going after Amazon lily without Hancock when you are battling 3 yonkou, have even more dangerous Luffy, who would have Hancock apart of his crew if it happens, even more losses to your shichibukia, a severly weakened fleet (WB isn't going to go down without a fight) and other pirate crews to deal with. There are much greater threats out there, and if Hancock returns of course they are going to smash the island into pieces, but if she doesn't what a huge waste of resources. Even if they destroyed the island as a coverup, Hancock is still alive and well, which is one mouth they can't close. Pointless to take out Amazon lily for a cover up about your shichibukia, when you have no control over said shichibukia and she is still free. Also, like someone said before me, they never said specifically that they'd attack Amazon lily if she betrayed them, but if she returned then obviously they'd go after her and take out the island in the process.
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Anyone want to take a wild guess at how the Government got Mihawk to come?
Is Mihawk bored?
Did he come cause he is hoping to see Luffy and Zoro?As for the WG trying to retliate on Hancock [by attacking the amazon island], I believe the WG will never find out she brought Luffy along. Hence the reason for hiding Luffy.
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How does he do it? Each and every goddamn week…
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Anyone want to take a wild guess at how the Government got Mihawk to come?
If he didn`t go he would loose his Shichibukai status..
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You know by the time this thing blows over, the Shickibukai might be at least short 2^O^
Preventing the great war that they were going to use to get rid of WB AND making them lose 2 shickibukai. Talk about tilting the scale to the pirate side and distorting the world order. OOH, I can't even begin to imagine the bounty rise Luffy would get. He could very well break the 10 digit barrier!!!
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It looks like all the strawhats are spread through the grand line islands… most likely far apart. If Boa Hancock went along with Momonga like she said she would, without fuzz, Luffy would be stuck on Kujo island for a long time. Even on Kuja pirate ship it would take over a week to get back.. and that would be after Ace execution.
If Luffy and Hancok fought seriously maybe Luffy would win but would likely be out for couple days recovering like all the other major fights. It does not look like there is anyting to rummors that Kuma send Luffy there specificaly so he can have a chance at saving Ace, I think its just the oposite.
I think Kuma was asked by Vice Adm. Garp to primarly send them away from the area of Ace execution / White Beard vs WG situation. Garp knows that Luffy would rush in to save Ace no matter how hopless the situation was, and with his current strength, get captured or killed, end of storry. So additionally Luffy and his crew got send far away to places where they can "power up" to be able to handle the New Wold maybe by Garp request or just Kuma kind of liked them as a crew the, way Mihawk liked Zorro.
This would fit in with the unknown dialog between Kuma and Silvers, where Kuma said "Even I have doubts in this matter" as if he was asked to do this. Garp is legendery/strong enough to have pull with Kuma. Also when Luffy lands and has a "snack" he states that this reminds him of the jungle his grandpa send him off to for training... HINT.. maybe?
Of course nothing happens as planned around Luffy so instead of being stuck away from action he ends on with an ally and on the way into BIG trouble.
Weather Boa Hancock joins Luffy as crew or not, that's up in the air, one can read hints and clues either way. Even though it would be complicated I am for her joining. Simply because she is a weird and unique character that would cause a lot of funny situations.
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If he didn`t go he would loose his Shichibukai status..
Jimbei is possible to loose it also!This is Mihawk here
This is the same guy who sails the entire one piece world alone on a small raft
He is the strongest swordsman in the world
I highly doubt Mihawk would come just cause they ordered him to
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First of all, I'll admit that the guessing line was uncalled for. Not because nobody was guessing, but because everybody was guessing. Including me. Sorry. That's why it's called speculation. Trying to predict Oda's future behavior is always bound to be wild guessing. Now I hope that we can have a good discussion without getting heated or having any more mudslinging.
Dum dee dum. Don't be so hasty.
Momonga said this, "It's not the best of situations, but…according to the treaty the government have with the Kuja, we are not permitted to stray within three kilometres of the isle of women." as well as "This compulsory assembly of the Shichibukai is an absolute order of the World Government!!! If you refuse to attend, the treaty is void!! Your Shichibukai status will be revoked!!!"
Nyon had this to say, "If you lose your title and we become just a country of pirates...there'd be deaths!!"
Nowhere in the manga does it state that the WG will attack Amazon Lily if Hancock loses her Shichibukai status. Amazon Lily will just be labelled a country of pirates. This gives the bounty hunters incentive to hunt down the Amazon pirate crew. It doesn't mean 2 countries will go to war when a peace treaty expires. You can have strained relations, the marines can now attack the Amazon pirate ship, but the WG doesn't have to attack Amazon Lily. And you still haven't argued how the WG would choose to hunt Amazon Lily, nothing more than an island of pirates then, since Hancock is no longer at the helm, over other pirate crews. This, when they have a war going with Whitebeard. If the WG wants to deal with Hancock, they hunt the Straw Hats, not Amazon Lily. As such, it is very possible that Hancock joins the Straw Hats partly due to her wish to protect her kingdom. Which is not in any way similar to how Franky joined; he joined partly due to his family wishes to protect him by sending him with the Straw Hats.
Nyon: You do nyot understand!
This island is protected by your "Seven Armed Seas" title.
In ages past, the Calm Belt acted as a powerful barrier
that kept us from externyal enyemies.
But no longer. With the nyew boating technology of the central men,
they have become able to reach us whenever they please.
Because you are a Seven Armed Sea,
the Kuja can live on piracy,
and they will nyot invade our isle.
If you lose your title, and we return to a
simple pillaging nyation, it will lead to catastrophe!!!
We have children and elderly on this island!!This passage from Stephen's translation illustrates my point. Notice the strategic use of invade.
The WG didn't make veiled threats to all of the other pirate crews that they're could go after. I don't think they'll go easy on someone who has betrayed them.
So if someone who's pro-Hancock joining makes a less than ideal argument, that means that Hancock is unlikely to join? People miss the fact that she's an empress herself (though i won't say the best), its entirely possible that she is disgusted by the WG's draconian rule, which is supported by the fact that Hancock hates the WG. Hell, she could join because she wanted to be appreciated as just herself, not as an empress, not as a pretty-face, not to be ordered around like a slave; to be free. Can't the Straw Hat family do that? Not grand enough? Chopper's dream was to see the world. Usopp just wanted to be a brave warrior of the sea.
Somebody makes a bad argument for Hancock's dream. I argued it would be bad for her to join for that reason. She seems to pretty much enjoying having screaming fans, and being seen as pretty, unless your position is that that's all an act. I'm not really getting a "princess locked in a tower dreaming of the world outside" vibe from her.
Excuse me, who brought up Zoro, and that the crew already had a haki user? You did! I even highlighted that! Just because you cann't see Hancock contributing to the running of the ship, she can't join? Usopp firing the cannons when needed is a skill? Yet if Hancock fights off pirate crews from the ship it cannot be considered a skill? What's Zoro's skill then? First mate? You have to be kidding, because I see Sanji as the man with a plan! Brooke's skill? Since when is music crucial to sailing? Even Chopper joined because Luffy wanted a transforming reindeer! I don't understand why crewmembers have to fill an important role to join the Straw Hats when you have so many examples to the contrary. Why can't Hancock simply enjoy herself on the ship like the rest of them and defend the Straw Hats when the time comes?
Zoro is the exception to an otherwise unbroken rule. Yes, Firing the cannons is Ussop's skill. The reason this doesn't seem important is because Oda has chosen to not include many sea battles in the manga. We had an example when he fired the Gaon cannon at the flying fish riders. Although it's not a clear-cut issue, one can make a case for Zoro being the first mate. He inforced the leadership of the Captain in Water 7, and took responsibility at the end of Thriller Bark.
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First of all, I'll admit that the guessing line was uncalled for. Not because nobody was guessing, but because everybody was guessing. Including me. Sorry. That's why it's called speculation. Trying to predict Oda's future behavior is always bound to be wild guessing. Now I hope that we can have a good discussion without getting heated or having any more mudslinging.
This passage from Stephen's translation illustrates my point. Notice the strategic use of invade.
The WG didn't make veiled threats to all of the other pirate crews that they're could go after. I don't think they'll go easy on someone who has betrayed them.
Somebody makes a bad argument for Hancock's dream. I argued it would be bad for her to join for that reason. She seems to pretty much enjoying having screaming fans, and being seen as pretty, unless your position is that that's all an act. I'm not really getting a "princess locked in a tower dreaming of the world outside" vibe from her.
Zoro is the exception to an otherwise unbroken rule. Yes, Firing the cannons is Ussop's skill. The reason this doesn't seem important is because Oda has chosen to not include many sea battles in the manga. We had an example when he fired the Gaon cannon at the flying fish riders. Although it's not a clear-cut issue, one can make a case for Zoro being the first mate. He inforced the leadership of the Captain in Water 7, and took responsibility at the end of Thriller Bark.
don't forget him and luffy combo on the train
n zoro n luffy ordering sanji not to attack alone (or was that just zoro)
Zoro even scoulded nami n sanji for allow luffy to add brooks to the crew, he's first mate
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i havnt been looking at much of this thread of late, so i wouldnt know if it has been mentioned earlier or not, but i love the fact that hancock still retains her bitchy traits (such as kicking a baby seal etc). I distinctly remember in the past chapter threads, many people were complaining about "how the hell can we move on from hating hancock for kicking a kitten etc to empathising with her for her past". These few panels in the recent manga chapter show that we do not need to completly empathise with her and that her bitchy selfish character still remain. Good writing on Odas part.
And not only that.
I for myself,am a big Boa as next Nakama supporter.
But it wasn't alway's like this.
When she first was introducet,and i saw her kicking cat's just because they were in her path (why the fuck didn't she bypass them),i was like,wtf!! what a stupid bitch,stoning people left and right just for selfish reason's,her character wasn't liked that much in the beginning,and than also the comment's about being forgiven all to her because she is beautiful,tha was the highlight of her arrogant personality.But now (after a small talk with Luffy) people don't only like her (besides the hater's) but also want her as new Nakama.
Where we at the beginning hated her for the kicking (remember,it was "only" a cat) innocent animal's,we are now loving her for this attitide.And now insted of one she kicked two,which is hilarious,because people hated her for kicking 1 cute cat,and now is liking her for kicking two,and on top of that,we are already making theories at how Chopper will be kicked,in some way we are hoping for that to happen,lol,strange isn't it.It's a nice way of Oda to show us that the comedy is there with herI hear ya man
I don't think every man is affected by her mero powers I believe it's just the fodder
I highly doubt that Superstars like Mihawk and Whitebeard would be swayed by her mero powers
Hancock just gives off a Vivi vibe
I really can't see her joining the crew
I am guessing Hancock will return to her island just like Nyon did and survive this sicknessI just can't wait for this war to happen
Tell that to the Vice Admiral.He had to pierce his hand to not get affected.
It's not only the Devil fruit power's,that make people fall for her,it's also the King haki,which is the strongest by the way.
No she didn't.
Vivi was only with the strawhat's because they would help her free her country.But Hancock went with Luffy only because Luffy wanted it,Boa has no business to do there,it's only for Lufy's sake,were Vivi went with them only for selfish reason's.I see,you don't like her but anyway…
Nyon returned to her country after who know's how many years.The love sickness can't be cured by just being with you lover for a short period of time,God this love can kill,and killed empresse'ss,that only should show how strong this felling is.
At the end i think she will join.
The beauty in Person –-Boa Hancock---
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Tell that to the Vice Admiral.He had to pierce his hand to not get affected.
It's not only the Devil fruit power's,that make people fall for her,it's also the King haki,which is the strongest by the way.
No she didn't.
Vivi was only with the strawhat's because they would help her free her country.But Hancock went with Luffy only because Luffy wanted it,Boa has no business to do there,it's only for Lufy's sake,were Vivi went with them only for selfish reason's.I see,you don't like her but anyway…
Nyon returned to her country after who know's how many years.The love sickness can't be cured by just being with you lover for a short period of time,God this love can kill,and killed empresse'ss,that only should show how strong this felling is.
At the end i think she will join.
Boa could join or not, I really don't care what she does
Superstars like Whitebeard and Mihawk are way above Mamonga
I could bet Mihawk won't be affected by Boa in the slightest
Luffy ain't dope like Mihawk
Mihawk is off the Richter
Boa-wants love, Mihawk will pimp her
What?Also the whole Nyon returning and surviving the sickness thing is pretty much up in the air.
We know Nyon left and came back I am thinking Boa will do the same thing after this war
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Boa's power is just to broken, IMO there is no way she would join, she would dominate everyone. Now someone from Impel down joining I see coming imo.
I just hope people don't start saying Jinbei will join..:getlost:
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I really don't beleive any Shichibukai would join
I don't beleive Hancock would leave her country and join
I think she would pull a Nyon and return to her homeland
Like you said Old Snake Boa would be the most powerful SH if she even joined and her powers would be broken
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If Hancock is able to maintain her helping Luffy to reach Impel Down a secret from the rest of the WG, she may very likely keep her position to act as a mole to help Luffy and his crew. And also maintain her position as the leader of Kuja island
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I really don't beleive any Shichibukai would join
And maybe her status will be revoked. What then? She won't be a Shichi anymore just a super powerfull woman.
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And maybe her status will be revoked. What then? She won't be a Shichi anymore just a super powerfull woman.
I wouldn't mind if she joined (she would easily beat nami in her bitchy ways, lol) but if she won't, I wouldn't mind as well.I don't care about her Shici title weather she had it or not, her power is still to broken…that's like me saying Kuma will join!, or AOKIJI WILL JOIN!
Her power just totally dominates almost everyone else in the crew..
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Well, as far as joining, I'm not wild about it mainly because it would throw off the crew's strength heiarchy. We don't even know her strength in comparison to Luffy and having anyone stronger than Luffy join would be a big no-no
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Yeah same here, I am not really interested in Hancock [Or her joining the crew or not]
I just can't wait for the warActually, I am interested in her. And I really want to see her fighting style.
I don't care about her Shici title weather she had it or not, her power is still to broken…that's like me saying Kuma will join!, or AOKIJI WILL JOIN!
Her power just totally dominates almost everyone else in the crew..
You didn't see her power yet. Or are you talking about her ability to turn people to stone?
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Actually, I am interested in her. And I really want to see her fighting style.
Her ability t oturn people into stone is more than enough
Not too mention Hancock has The Ambition of an "Overlord"!!There are some pros for her joining
She has had some development [flashback about her past]
She has to go with Luffy so she won't die
She could possibly help Luffy hone his skills in "Haki" cause she has control over hersHancock is too strong with broken powers for the SH crew
She is a shichibukai
She has a kingdom to see over
She could do what Nyon did and return and live without LuffyAll in all It's hard to tell but I don't think she will join
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Boa's power is just to broken, IMO there is no way she would join, she would dominate everyone. Now someone from Impel down joining I see coming imo.
I just hope people don't start saying Jinbei will join..:getlost:
Robin.
Besides, it's not as broken as you'd expect. Both Luffy and Momonga beat it. Considering the level of the guys they're gonna be facing now, it's ok to introduce a person with a power of that calibre because most of these new guys would be able to brush it aside.
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Er, could you guys try not to quote whole posts?(I'm not saying everyone is doing this), i'm sure just highlighting the parts you're actually replying to and putting in an ellipsis every now and again would'nt hurt.
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Robin.
Your joking right? Robin's power is broken I agree, but it is nothing on Hancock. I also agree we havn't seen her full potential yet, but anybody can take an educated guess.
Edit: Luffy Batter, Hancock is a world power, I doubt all these (new guys) would just be able to brush off her power that easily, otherwise she wouldn't be a shichi.
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I think Luffy Batter wanted to highlight that Robin was too strong for a Strawhat as well and not that she's at Hancock's level…
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So, you expect her to just drop him off with the VA (he's definitely going to be needed for the war) ship after a four day trip and go on to Marineford while the guy she loves is going to charge into battle against the WG greatest prison? She said it herself that she "shall go wherever [he] may". You really think from the way she acts with him now she'd just let him go without her? There is also the problem with her sickness and being near/knowing she'll see Luffy again has been the only cure. Where did it become clearly obvious she won't be stopping with him? The order was for her to aid in the battle with WB, which at the moment looks like it is going to be at Impel down anyways since that is WB best chance to surprise them and grab Ace before he gets to the WG main force at Marineford and where Sengoku specifically said to watch for a possible attack. Also, won't it take a while to get back to HQ, as you said, WB will probably attack when Luffy arrives, what's Hancock going to do? Miss everything sailing to Marineford, how boring and stupid would that be after integrating her so much in the arc? She despises the WG and isn't likely to jump into battle for them, she sees Luffy battling it out to get inside and save Ace. Lets see here, help Luffy or battle WB forces and help the people she despises? When they notice she doesn't help them, her uses as a shichibukia are gone, what do you think would happen next? The big fuss was about her accepting the orders of the WG and agreeing to aid them in battle to go along with Luffys plan because she hates them, they knew Luffy would ask to go to Impel down where his brother was located, not Marineford.
She made the attention of central, that's why she is a shichibukia and why she was requested to be at the battle, not her people. So, basically she was planning to betray the WG anyways and open her island up to the prospect of retaliation? Just like someone said before me, what's the point of going after Amazon lily without Hancock when you are battling 3 yonkou, have even more dangerous Luffy, who would have Hancock apart of his crew if it happens, even more losses to your shichibukia, a severly weakened fleet (WB isn't going to go down without a fight) and other pirate crews to deal with. There are much greater threats out there, and if Hancock returns of course they are going to smash the island into pieces, but if she doesn't what a huge waste of resources. Even if they destroyed the island as a coverup, Hancock is still alive and well, which is one mouth they can't close. Pointless to take out Amazon lily for a cover up about your shichibukia, when you have no control over said shichibukia and she is still free. Also, like someone said before me, they never said specifically that they'd attack Amazon lily if she betrayed them, but if she returned then obviously they'd go after her and take out the island in the process.
Ugh, it was never stated if she leaves him she'll die. There's a difference between not suppressing your feelings and following the person you love around everywhere they go like a stalker. Also, yes, I do believe that Hancock will drop Luffy off and continue on her way. They said she was going to central, and also said that by going she was saving the island, that statement right there also provides support for my other argument. Whitebeard's attack doesn't have to be immediately as Luffy is released into Impel Down. I can see him wondering around lost for a bit before something like an explosion or shaking catches his attention and he heads that way. Also, why wouldn't she help the WG on the WB issue? To me, nothing has changed about her except when she's around Luffy. Not to mention she may not even get a chance to, because she could be on her way to Marineford when WB attacks ID, then she has to ride the triangular ocean current all the way around, past Marineford, past Enies Lobby, back to ID, by then Ace could easily be free, and everyone fleeing the scene. Also, if they knew that she was going to Impel Down instead of Marineford, why was it stated FOUR times that she was going to Central or the Holy Land?
Without Hancock you wouldn't have to devote a massive military force to deal with the Kuja, but I'm sure that they'd still deal with them. It was stated that the Kuja have an infamous name, it was stated calm belt was the only thing protecting them, it was stated that World Government and Marine ships were openly attacked at sea by the Kuja pirates even if it was under Hancock's command, it was stated that if Hancock kept her shichibukai status she would save the island, and it was stated that the calm belt protection is gone. There's other things, that I'm to tired to look up at the moment, but we'll leave it at this for now. (Also @blym, unless you're talking about the pirate crew, how would bounty hunters bother the Kuja? Marines are only one who can cross the calm belt.)
There also isn't any gurantee with the last chapter stating that they have no clue where WB is going to attack that there'll be a head to head confrontation between the shichibukai to the dismay of some fanboys out there. Even if they do go head to head, there's no gurantee that any of the shichibukai or Admirals will die even if they lose.
Edit- I also want to state that it's nice to debate with people who can maintain a coherrent thought process for once.
Double Edit- Sorry for quoting the whole post like somebody said last page, but I tried to respond to all the points, might have missed a few, so even if I broke it up it'd be just as long.
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Robin.
Besides, it's not as broken as you'd expect. Both Luffy and Momonga beat it. Considering the level of the guys they're gonna be facing now, it's ok to introduce a person with a power of that calibre because most of these new guys would be able to brush it aside.
Momonga didn't really shrug off that aspect of power. We don't know how Luffy bypassed it.
Regardless, Luffy was fairly damaged by a single Pistol Kiss (and was promptly captured.) We don't know the limits of Hancock's ability nor what abillities she has. Though she's strong enough that Sengoku is eager for her to arrive in time before Whitebeard, and to say "That woman is strong…!!!"
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i've been thinking about all the events leading up to this war and i've come up with my final prediction. i think this upcoming arc is meant as a luffy power up arc and only meant for luffy. we will probably get to see the secrets to haki and luffy will master it as he fights his way through impel down. this arc is already going to be huge since whitebeard and crew are going to fight the shichibukai and the admirals. i think the rest of the strawhat crew was scattered because oda didn't want to waste the time showing how each and every single one of the strawhats powered up. we will probably see their power ups once luffy and the crew goes to fishman island.
this arc is also meant to show luffy go from a top rookie to an elite by the time he enters the new world. after all he will likely gain a lot of fame once this arc is over and he will be regarded as a pirate elite. maybe luffy and crew won't be able to challenge an emperor right off the bat but the crew will be one of the most powerful in the new world and that's why i think it's likely that someone like boa might join so people regard luffy as someone great that even managed to get a shichibukai to join his crew.
whitebeard is about to go to war so we will all catch a glimpse at what a true elite pirate crew is like and how much power they possess. like i said this arc is meant as a power up arc for luffy and to show us what the strawhats will strive for when they enter the new world.
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We don't know how Luffy bypassed it.
Speak for yourself. It was clear that he bypassed it, because of his fear of it being a noro noro beam.
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I think Luffy Batter wanted to highlight that Robin was too strong for a Strawhat as well and not that she's at Hancock's level…
Actually I wanted to highlight how both their abilities are OTKs if they work regardless of their strength. Anyway, if you're going to go by the logic that Boa can't join because she's a world power then Luffy shouldn't be the captain because he already beat two of those world powers:P
At any rate, I'm not saying these new guys will be beating her easily, just that Hancock won't be beating them easily with 1 look. Whatever Luffy had that protected him, I doubt he's the only 1 that has it.
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im rooting for chopper learning life return
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im rooting for chopper learning life return
Lands on the island where Kumadori's mother lives. Calling it now.
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that's why i suspect after the great war.. Luffy will somehow be on the side of the world gov… and thus Hancock will be able to join them without reprocussion.. something is fishy about blackbeared and doflamingo mentioning about the 'New Generation' ... whitebeard will probably go down and some other crap will happen.. the world will be in disarray... isn't the OP new movie probably a foreshadowing, how Luffy and is crew invade the Marine HQ and act all badass and all? Maybe luffy will take one of the shiki position.. who know...
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Lands on the island where Kumadori's mother lives. Calling it now.
Wow, you just win for that comment.
Also OP Movie 10 is supposed to tie into the manga, so talking about the preview is kind of spoiler. >_>;
I think they even had Brook in the preview before he was an official member also.
Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.
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The whole tie into the manga bit was apparently an April Fool's joke by Greg. The story is apparently being done by Oda, but incorporating it into the manga? That would be a bit too messy, methinks.
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so talking about the preview is kind of spoiler. >_>;
I don't give a fvck.
Sesshy is the troll that's been reporting K5 when he just came!
OMG, a spoiler!!! Who would've thunk it?
Just saying, I like a good spoiler, but that's me.
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O_O I have it! I think I know how they'll resolve Boa's "sickness" problem.
! They rescue Ace and she falls for him instead.
LOVE AND PEACE
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Hardwork + effort+ a lil bit of genius.
If that was all it took, I'd be reading a lot more series each week. ^o^
But uh….anyone think it's odd that the Marines are totally fine with Hancock's WTF request to visit Impel Down?
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O_O I have it! I think I know how they'll resolve Boa's "sickness" problem.
! They rescue Ace and she falls for him instead.
Stop trolling, this forum is way too serious for that.
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I'm getting tired of the K5 thing. It's not even funny. All of it's posts as of now are useless. Maybe I should ignore it.
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If that was all it took, I'd be reading a lot more series each week. ^o^
But uh….anyone think it's odd that the Marines are totally fine with Hancock's WTF request to visit Impel Down?
She's a Shickibukai.
Nuff said.
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I'm getting tired of the K5 thing. It's not even funny. All of it's posts as of now are useless. Maybe I should ignore it.
The G thinks you should take your trolling self elsewhere.
