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But, he's married and has two children. Buu saga shows that he knows how that works. And he was shown to have clued up enough to bribe someone with porn.
Married men don't jump up and spontaneously leave their family behind to train strangers. And competent people don't show mercy to a guy whose killed an untold number of people including his best friend, and basically saw him as another notch on the belt (as they were fighting) only to very predictably find out how bad of an idea this was.
This was a guy who once didn't know how old he was nor what the concept of marriage entailed….he's not so much as oblivious so much as he's a moron in anything that doesn't has to do with fighting. And even that aspect of his character is prone in some rare instances to fucking up.
Back then he had spend a good chunk of his life in the wild and then in a secluded castle in the sky. So it's fairly easy for him to have missed some concepts of society but after all those years with Chichi the notion that Chichi felt confortable introducing him to sex but not kissing seems weird. He even know porn and can see Bulma as a babe.
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Married men don't jump up and spontaneously leave their family behind to train strangers.
Is there any reason to assume he isn't seing his family? He can teleport and flying is pretty fast.
And competent people don't show mercy to a guy whose killed an untold number of people including his best friend, and basically saw him as another notch on the belt (as they were fighting) only to very predictably find out how bad of an idea this was.
Did his decision with Vegeta ever really bite him in the ass?
Back then he had spend a good chunk of his life in the wild and then in a secluded castle in the sky. So it's fairly easy for him to have missed some concepts of society but after all those years with Chichi the notion that Chichi felt confortable introducing him to sex but not kissing seems weird.
To be fair when you have sex you don't need to look your partner in the eyes.
He even know porn and can see Bulma as a babe.
Likely due to hanging around a known pervert or two.
Is there any reason to assume he isn't seing his family? He can teleport and flying is pretty fast.
Aside from the fact that's how the manga originally ended and therefore didn't really explain if he was? which is why it's essentially a meme.
Did his decision with Vegeta ever really bite him in the ass?
Vegeta was too beaten up from getting fucked up to do anything, Goku literally gives a half dead Frieza part of his energy and figures "I'm going to leave you here to your own devices don't try to spitefully shoot me in the back, just like you spitefully blew up my friend earlier". It's basically like Goku (or Toriyama) forgot Tao Pai Pai essentially did the same thing with the same exact results.
Vegeta is the whole reason the Cell situation got as bad as it did.
@Cyan:
Vegeta is the whole reason the Cell situation got as bad as it did.
There's also him casually killing people during the Buu arc just to get Goku to fight him.
Plus Vegeta was why Freeza transformed in the first place; Piccolo fused with Nail probably would have been able to kill first-form Freeza.
in short: vegeta had it comin'
You have read the manga instead, and that is all that matters.
You did read it, right?
I have not actually lol.
To be fair when you have sex you don't need to look your partner in the eyes.
Chase the guy to pressure him into marriage, jumped his bone enough to get at least 2 kids and supposedly after a good 14 years leaving together she was supposedely to shy to have ever kissed him. I can't really buy it. Maybe never a Bj but a kissed definitely happened in the middle of all that.
Hell even a romantic movie would show him one.
Likely due to hanging around a known pervert or two.
Possibly.
Aside from the fact that's how the manga originally ended and therefore didn't really explain if he was? which is why it's essentially a meme.
Well he did mention he would visit.
Vegeta was too beaten up from getting fucked up to do anything, Goku literally gives a half dead Frieza part of his energy and figures "I'm going to leave you here to your own devices don't try to spitefully shoot me in the back, just like you spitefully blew up my friend earlier". It's basically like Goku (or Toriyama) forgot Tao Pai Pai essentially did the same thing with the same exact results.
I doubt a fraction of his own energy was going to make Freezer a danger to himself.
TBH, when Goku showed mercy he was still in control of those situations, (He got the Senzu before Picolo, Vegeta was retreating hurting his pride and without reason to return to earth other than vengance, frieza was bleeding out from where his abdomen used to be)
The stakes of this tournament remind me of Black and Zamasu's Zero Mortals Plan. First, Future Zeno destroyed at least Universe 7 in Future Trunks's timeline (and I think the other 11 as well, but I'm not sure) and now in this timeline, if thngs end up the way they sound, 12 universes (and at one point there were 18) will be reduced to 1. Even though the fused Zamasu was destroyed and Beerus killed Zamasu of this timeline, it kinda seems like their plan is still going on.
Goku probably got flanderized the most out of all characters in Dragonball, which is one of the things I dislike the most about Super.
And of course the fact that the show is only tolerable after 50 episodes or so.
Same here. An amusing comparison I've seen is "GT is adult Goku in kid Goku's body, Super is kid Goku in adult Goku's body".
I doubt a fraction of his own energy was going to make Freezer a danger to himself.
Much like I doubt if given an opportunity to live and let live Frieza was just going to up and let the man who whooped his ass
walk away freely.
Even though the fused Zamasu was destroyed and Beerus killed Zamasu of this timeline, it kinda seems like their plan is still going on.
That would be an interesting twist. There is a gap in what we as the viewers know about what happened to Zamasu after Zeno decided to destroy that universe… What if he some how defeated that zeno and took his place. That would mean he is now the duplicate zeno that is presiding with the original zeno over the tournament...
Plus Vegeta was why Freeza transformed in the first place; Piccolo fused with Nail probably would have been able to kill first-form Freeza.
Vegeta would not know that Piccolo was going to merge with Nail. All Vegeta knows is that he can either waste their ki fighting Freeza, only for them to transform and screw up all of their hard work, or they could cut to the chase.
Much like I doubt if given an opportunity to live and let live Frieza was just going to up and let the man who whooped his ass
walk away freely.
By that point Picolo was raising his son, and Vegeta keept his son and his best friend alive against evil power rangers, the mercy method was working!
By that point Picolo was raising his son, and Vegeta keept his son and his best friend alive against evil power rangers, the mercy method was working!
Well I mean. Piccolo kidnapped Gohan. That could have gone much worse lol. Goku is lucky far worse people happened to be the deciding factor on his friends and family not getting murdered outright.
Well I mean. Piccolo kidnapped Gohan. That could have gone much worse lol. Goku is lucky far worse people happened to be the deciding factor on his friends and family not getting murdered outright.
True, but with dead picolo, no dragon balls and raditz lives. And by this point our picolo hasn't killed anyone.
Much like I doubt if given an opportunity to live and let live Frieza was just going to up and let the man who whooped his ass
walk away freely.
Didn't he met Freeza like 2 hours ago?
The point is it was not risky for him since a fraction of his own power isn't going to kill him.
Wooooow, the ending of the Future Trunks arc. Woow.
I heard it was a complete screw you and it really is, especially to all of Future Trunks' struggles.
The first half of the arc was absolutely solid, but starting ep 60, Zamasu is just has the same one-note lines every time. He's probably the weakest part of the arc.
Yes, even more than all the time travel stuff and Trunks' powers. I don't mind the rage thing because it happened after Trunks presumably fighting off Zamasu and Goku Black for presumably quite a few times and being healed with the Senzu beans boosted him (though something like this isn't ever directly stated). The Spirit Bomb thing is a complete asspull, but at least it's after Vegito and Zamasu's weakness catching up to him, so in that sense it works strength-wise (Goku and Vegeta also add their powers to him) - I also like some of the lines Trunks had when finishing Zamasu off. It was an emotionally satisfying immidiate defeat regardless of the eventual outcome.
Logic dictates that since the story is not over yet, these two things could somehow still be explained and I can't help but feel stuff with Future Trunks isn't quite over yet for some reason. Maybe it's the "See you again" or just how Trunks was handled - Zamasu could've just been defeated just like that. Why add that at the end? Just to get a friend to the King of All? Despite everything Trunks failed and it's not the well-written kind of failure. I'll give the story a huge thumbs up if there is more to it, but I'm not holding my breath.
The arc had it's great moments, though - Goku Black in the beginning of the arc, Future Trunks and Vegeta sparring, some great action scenes (Vegeta's solo action scene with Goku Black, the scene after Goku learns Goku Black killed Goten and Chichi, Vegito, all of episode 66 was satisfying even with some of it didn't hold up in terms of plot and in general a few more really well animated action scenes).
I think I actually liked it, but it was far more flawed than the tournament arc before it.
@Yuugi's:
Vegeta would not know that Piccolo was going to merge with Nail. All Vegeta knows is that he can either waste their ki fighting Freeza, only for them to transform and screw up all of their hard work, or they could cut to the chase.
Vegeta still said "screw trying to overwhelm him in this form, let him get stronger first and then we'll try fighting him." He didn't know that a transformation would heal Frieza, only that it would make him stronger.
It's dumb no matter how you slice it and was based entirely on Vegeta's ego and expectations that Frieza couldn't get that much stronger… rather than the doubling in power (and later tripling and quadrupling and then tripling again that he actually did.)
Saying that "letting" Frezzer power up was a mistake, is like saying that letting the earth spin is a mistake, no matter what they did it was going to happen, Vegeta isn't responsible for that one. Feeding 18 to cell and goin' majin you can't argue.
Saying that "letting" Frezzer power up was a mistake, is like saying that letting the earth spin is a mistake, no matter what they did it was going to happen, Vegeta isn't responsible for that one. Feeding 18 to cell and goin' majin you can't argue.
Not even trying to stop him is dumb. If he can't beat Freeza in his non-powered form, he surely wouldn't be able to do it while Freeza is in his powered form. So, the smart thing to do would be to try to beat Freeza while he hasn't powered up yet and not give him a chance to power up because if he can't do that, if he isn't strong enough to gain the upper hand agaisnt non-powered Freeza and not give him a chance to power up, then he never actually stood a chance.
By that point Picolo was raising his son,
Well minus the fact Piccolo essentially kidnapped him, almost killed him throwing him into a mountain, and then left him alone in the wild to get chased by dinosaurs, social services, and nearly starve.
and Vegeta keept his son and his best friend alive against evil power rangers,
Yeah in between threatening them or casually beating the shit out of one of them.
the mercy method was working!
I didn't really argue that spearing Vegeta was a bad idea…..but as Me,Cyan, & Ubiq noted, it came with caveats after the fact. But spearing Frieza? That wasn't a good idea anyway you slice it (no pun intended).
The point is it was not risky for him since a fraction of his own power isn't going to kill him.
Frieza must've thought it would since he attempted to kill Goku after the fact.
Frieza must've thought it would since he attempted to kill Goku after the fact.
And Frieza was wrong. He is fairly arrogant and can't sense powerlevel.
Sparing Frieza was completely dumb and the only reason it didn't backfire was that Frieza just was even ridiculously dumber. (Not considering his survival which just was a ridiculous plot armor, anyway.)
Wooooow, the ending of the Future Trunks arc. Woow.
I heard it was a complete screw you and it really is, especially to all of Future Trunks' struggles.
The first half of the arc was absolutely solid, but starting ep 60, Zamasu is just has the same one-note lines every time. He's probably the weakest part of the arc.
Yes, even more than all the time travel stuff and Trunks' powers. I don't mind the rage thing because it happened after Trunks presumably fighting off Zamasu and Goku Black for presumably quite a few times and being healed with the Senzu beans boosted him (though something like this isn't ever directly stated). The Spirit Bomb thing is a complete asspull, but at least it's after Vegito and Zamasu's weakness catching up to him, so in that sense it works strength-wise (Goku and Vegeta also add their powers to him) - I also like some of the lines Trunks had when finishing Zamasu off. It was an emotionally satisfying immidiate defeat regardless of the eventual outcome.
Logic dictates that since the story is not over yet, these two things could somehow still be explained and I can't help but feel stuff with Future Trunks isn't quite over yet for some reason. Maybe it's the "See you again" or just how Trunks was handled - Zamasu could've just been defeated just like that. Why add that at the end? Just to get a friend to the King of All? Despite everything Trunks failed and it's not the well-written kind of failure. I'll give the story a huge thumbs up if there is more to it, but I'm not holding my breath.
The arc had it's great moments, though - Goku Black in the beginning of the arc, Future Trunks and Vegeta sparring, some great action scenes (Vegeta's solo action scene with Goku Black, the scene after Goku learns Goku Black killed Goten and Chichi, Vegito, all of episode 66 was satisfying even with some of it didn't hold up in terms of plot and in general a few more really well animated action scenes).
I think I actually liked it, but it was far more flawed than the tournament arc before it.
Zamasu surviving the Genkidama sword was something most fans didnt expect, everyone feared the arc was going to have a cliche ending(Some people were already calling Trunks a Gary Stu) but Toei swerved everyone. Zamasu basically won, he killed all of the Earthlings including the kids, Yajirobe, the resistance force, Android 8, Turtle, and Zeno absolutely destroyed that timeline.
I feel like in this case trying to be different was for the worse, personally. I'm all for subverting expectations, but it's gotta be well done.
I'm so gay for 17
And Frieza was wrong. He is fairly arrogant and can't sense powerlevel.
To be fair by that point sensing power levels wouldn't have amounted too much. As everybody was scraping with each other regardless of how strong they knew each other were.
Well, that "slice-of-life" arc was great. Arale's return brought back memories (Dr. Slump was a fun series). Yamcha got a win (episode 70 is probably one of my favorite episodes in the series). Hit is still a very interesting character with a great fighting style that brings back the strategy aspect of the Dragon Ball fights.
Gohan got a two-parter which I found sweet - my problem with Gohan has never been that he doesn't want to fight - he never did want to fight. Hell, he does want to protect his family. Super has kind of been clumsy in clearly spelling out his struggle between what he wants to do (be a scholar) and his fighting ability. If he doesn't train, he won't be able to protect the ones he loves ftom increasingly powerful threats and it's also true that it's Goku that keeps saving their asses - he can't continue relying on him forever. It's a very interesting potential struggle, but it hasn't been realized very well - it feels more like the writers flip-flopping with him. I've seen the new arc previews and teasers and I think the tournament is the perfect place to clearly spell it out and explore it better.
The two-parter laid a good foundation for that.
Finally, the Goku and Krillin two-parter is the best thing done with Krillin that could've been done. Great character development for krillin. Exactly something what could be done with Gohan, except, of course, relevant to Gohan's character.
Looks like I really am straight-up caught up for the new arc and opening. It has lots of great potential, from all the participating fighters to all other contestants. Gohan and 17? Awesome. Lots and lots of potential.
Obligatory mention of Female Broly in the PV. Always found Broly boring, but if they manage to actually take the concept and write it well, thumbs up.
Frieza's inability to sense powerlevels really feels somewhat unorganic. Considering that everyone and everyone's mother is able to emit some kind of perceptible aura starting with King Piccolo it's only natural that better fighters are also better in sensing these auras - especially in a world where powerlevel basically are everything. These auras - which even can affect the environment directly - basically hit your just in the face, so there really is no excuse to not sense them. Sure, it hasn't to be every slight nuance, but every decent fighter should be able to feel the difference between completely inferior, somewhat equal and completely superior.
Nagamine Tatsuya and Nakamura Ryouta are taking over as the series directors starting with Episode #77. This means Dragon Ball Super will have had five series directors in only seventy-seven episodes. It took One Piece until Episode #663 before it gained a fifth series director.
Chioka Kimitoshi: Episodes #1-46 (was unable to personally storyboard or direct an episode. Previously storyboarded the first thirty minutes or so of the 2013 Dragon Ball Z film)
Hatano Morio: Episodes #33-76 (personally storyboarded and directed #6, #14 and #66)
Hatano Kouhei: Episodes #68-76 (first time as series director; unrelated to Hatano Morio; storyboarded and directed several episodes personally)
Nagamine Tatsuya: Episodes #77+ (Storyboarding and directing Opening #2; also storyboarded Dragon Ball Kai OP #1 and Dragon Ball: Ultimate Blast)
Nakamura Ryouta: Episodes #77+ (first time as series director; personally storyboarded and directed several episodes).
This series is such a production nightmare. Morishita Kouzou keeps throwing his best directors at it but refuse to give them the time or staff to make anything good.
Seems like Kouhei was the best of those.
That's…not a very good ratio. For comparison, how many directors did Z have?
It had one series director for the first 199 episodes and after that the position wasn't officially filled for the rest of the series.
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That's…not a very good ratio. For comparison, how many directors did Z have?
Just the one. While the position isn't credited for Episodes #200-291 the common fan theory is that it was either Yama'uchi Shigeyasu or Hashimoto Mitsuo, as both were the best storyboard artists and episode directors, not to mention Yama'uchi directed Movies #8, #10, and #12 and Hashimoto #13.
Either way, the series has been in chaos since it began. Chioka only just recently came out of hiding to storyboard for Tiger Mask W. I was sure he had left Toei, like Sakai Munehisa, after the way he was screwed. Hatano Morio has been MIA since storyboarding and directing Episode #66. I imagine he's moved on to another project, where he won't have to worry about a planner who can't plan.
Kohei was only hired to do the filler episodes, that was his strength(the entertaining aspect)
Anyways here is the new OP.
Just awesome
I think that's my favorite opening for Super so far.
17 in dat opening… too awesome
Gohan Hype as well
In those other-universe-fighter-splash-shots I see:
I also don't trust that Kai that's in the background between Champa and the twin-tailed angel. He looks like he's up to no good.
I wonder of everyone will actually get a fight. Roshi taking off his sun glasses kinda got me amped for some reason.
I hope the Wolf will be an awesome version of Yamcha.
Gohan looks awesome.
I don't know if it's just me but one of the members from one of the other teams so remind me of Monty from Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers.
Going on the idea that Gohan has regained some of his former fighting strenght (honestly who knows). If he shows off that potential that everyone says he has, I wonder if Beerus will become interested in what he could achieve. Perhaps we will see a future where Beerus requires Goku to get Gohan to train to surpass him.
That opening was really good. I never did warm up to the old one - seemed bland and unmemorable outside some of the animation, while Dragon Ball always had memorable openings and endings.
More animation in the ending is also nice.
Look at my sig… In the opening he is using human Ki... Never once they did this before... So do at least he learned to use his human ki on top on his android powers?
That android 17+18 have it we know ever since at least Buu saga btu they never used it...
And damn he looks so awesome